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To hell with religion

What a pastor/teacher please do not teach me lies o for God sake.

You are right. Those are words of Luthern that made him ran away from catholic.

He never die for your sin to be forgiven he was simply killed for saying the truth.







I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
     And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
    He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

John chapter 21: 24-25 24     24   This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25     And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


This is a proved that people wrote the books and they could not write all that happen due to the limitation of human brain which is now manipulating Christianity or islam.
We are here for a purpose. Fullfill your calls men. Let love

Simple truth is that you can not say Library is a word of God. The Bible simply means library. The whole creation is the language of the Lord. Learn it and listen to God messages he still speaks. Enoughs of all this ancient story books. Luther said the 66 books is ok for his teachings.
But today we have radicals twisting his work.

So bitter as bitter as the truth.

You are right, so many have eyes but can not see. How will philosophical interpretation of the bible not mean a lot to them. Please be careful of the version you use because they give diffrent meaning.

You speak as if you alone knew what happen to JESUS. We all read.

Read this from Koran then you know that Jesus is for everybody.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[1.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
[1.2] The Beneficent, the Merciful.
[1.3] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1.4] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
[1.5] Keep us on the right path.
[1.6] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.


3.45] When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah

4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, JESUS son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.[/color][color=#990000]
4.171] O followers of the Book! (Meaning Bible)do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa (JESUS)son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son,

whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

[5.17] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely, Allah-- He is the Messiah, son of Marium. Say: Who then could control anything as against Allah when He wished to destroy the Messiah son of Marium and his mother and all those on the earth? And Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them; He creates what He pleases; and Allah has power over all things,[/b][/color]


How are we sure you are not reading an arranged english story. How can you  Kill the son of God for his BLOOD!  think

On the issue of the son of God. Yes so many good men were called son of God in the bible.

Genesis 6:
The Flood
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [a] man forever, for he is mortal [b] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.


How will you explain the verse above? handle other faiths with respect. Please be wise.

Softee ,

You are not speaking as a wise one at all. Why preaching your dogma here? No point at all from your write up, it only exposes your weak knowledge.
Christian are the first Cult in the whole world during the time of NERO.

So many J Witness were killed. Lot of protestants were murdered in Europe.
All religion use BLOOD! BLOOD!!, and they kill Jesus they claimed he came to die for their sin,

John 8 ¶ Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 ¶ I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 ¶ Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Are you saying that Jesus Christ was a tithe paid to God to forgive sins? please explain

Akik Kah! So God can spend Naira? We should not talk when we should. Christ did not teach us to pay tithe. He ask us to LOVE our nabours, In as much as you are kind to those who are in need. He said you have done that to me. Tithing is stealing by method because not money (NAIRA) was intended but only Agricultural products.

Good talk, Birds with the same colours

Read the history of the church and bible then you will know that European wrote some for themselves. So also did the Arabian country made Islam look as its . Isaac and Ishmael who was offered to be Killed by Abraham, The mother of Ismael is an Arab so also the Islamic family. All is Politics.

You spoke nothing only to find more to your fold. Thank God we are wiser

I have eyes I can see. Some have they can not they are blind by dogma. I have my free will and I am free . Ye seek for the truth the truth shall made you free.

I have never pay tithe in my life . I am a Nigerian I pay my TAX to the federal republic of Nigeria . I do donate to Mosques, Churches for charity.
I pay my bills regularly. . not one man calling himself Pastor can I give my money to and I never lack.

You read your Bible upside down. Because Malachi3:8-10 Never ask you to pay NAIRA or DOLLARS it is address to the priest of that time as warning. As offering to GOD can only be made by the priests. Purely Agricultural product  obtained from non Levities in presence of Aron children and that was their on tax then. I hope you are not using FAKE Bible.
I pay my tax regularly here in Nigeria. What else.

suaveaub:
Does tithing teach timeless principles and lessons even in today's modern world? How many tithes are mentioned in the Bible? What are the purposes for the tithes described in God's Word? This featured booklet will help you understand God's perspective on this vital issue.

We see tithing, then, as the opposite of a selfish approach to life. God stands prepared to support this generous approach by, in turn, blessing us in a variety of ways. He invites all to take Him up on His promise: "'Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in My house, and try Me now in this,' says the Lord of hosts, 'if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it'" (Malachi 3:10).


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Poor you for justifying what is not real. The writer is one of those that got the message wrong. We are Nigerian in Nigeria not Jewish origin. Tithing in Nigeria is a double taxation. We pay tax to our government. Tithe in the old was as a result of lack of central elected government and they have to provide for others too. Today tithing in Nigeria is stealing. Mama and Papa church founders ride in expensive cars. They are even respected more than God, their words are taken more seriously. No wonder they can interpolate the biblical terms and come out with psychologically impregnated words from sociology. They present mere philosophical master piece. How can you ignore basic facts to deceive people in the house you call house of the lord? Is that not stealing by method?

I mean your foot note. Extraodinary claims should be left out for reality on this issue. Let us go back to the topic

War? No way

nferyn

(Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -C Sagan)

Your claim.

dejiolowe:
Quote from: ZuluNation on January 21, 2006, 06:38 AM
Please forgive me for sounding ignorant, I just have this little thing about Islam that bugs me. The say if a Muslim man kills in the name of Islam, he'll have 80 (not sure of the number) virgins waiting for him in heaven. So what about the women of Islam, what do the get when the kill in the name of Islam?
they get 80 studs! aqua, where r u?

Olowe means The Devil in Pink Jacket.  Am I right?

Yes I think so.

Some one must explain  to us the virgins issue.

The Jews Kill Jesus but Christianitys said to be the fulfillmentf JEWISH religion. Islam is an offshoot of Christianity based on the pasted RANKS above. Where are we if you openly refer to someone as Idiot?  He may address you as PIG. What else!

Who are the idiots if I may ask.

Consider the following translations of the same passage from Matthew 6:28-29,

first from the King James Version,
then the popular "Good News Bible"
and finally from what I consider to be the translation most faithful to the original Greek,
the Richmond Lattimore translation:


King James Version of 1611: "Consider the lilies of the field how they grow; they do not toil, neither do they spin, yet I say unto you that even Solomon, in all his glory, was never arrayed like one of these."

Good News Bible (American Bible Society, 1976): "And why worry about clothes? Look how the wild flowers grow, they do not work or make clothes for themselves. But I tell you that not even King Solomon, with all his wealth had not clothes as beautiful as one of these flowers."

Richmond Lattimore Translation (Farrar Straus and Giroux, 1996): And why do you take thought about clothing? Study the lilies of the field, how they grow. They do not toil or spin, yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory was clothed like one of these."

Which is the more accurate translation? Donnie we need your answer

donnie:
The bible from which you claim your salvation is now under questioning.

Donnie na fight? I did not say anything now just to confirm what wise men said....... Again
"If the truth is that ugly -- which it is -- then we do have to be careful about the way that we tell the truth. But to somehow say that telling the truth should be avoided because people may respond badly to the truth seems bizarre to me." --Chuck Skoro, Deacon, St. Paul's Catholic Church