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Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 3:24pm On Dec 20, 2005
"Well, all the same, I really don't blame you because there are so many fake pastors these days who are just setting up churches for the purpose of money-making. Maybe those are the ones you see that makes you conclude that pastors are collecting "bribes". "
If what you are doing is good , you need not be afraid! Why this kind of approach to money making then? You have no points paying those fakes if you are the genuine ones based on biblical references.
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 2:57pm On Dec 20, 2005
"Why will you not let God's people love God "


Are you among the so called? grin

then stop this bus conductor aproach of your. Learn not to pay tithe. Is not met for Nigerian.
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 5:14pm On Dec 19, 2005
How will man give money to God? Abominations ! God. far be It from His glory that He should have a Nigerian Naira or Dollars whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and God is sufficient he is the owner of everything.
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 4:35pm On Dec 19, 2005
Because you are looking for miracle and you are bribing the pastor who encourage you to pay your tithe to him. tithe was for the olds not for today. I think i have answered you
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 2:53pm On Dec 19, 2005
you should be charged for corruption  because you have failed to follow the standard rule. you are indirectly offering bribe. eh . I pity you if Ribadu hear about you paying tithe and invading tax of the land, not paying nepas bill etc


in Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; [or] if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:


Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 8:38am On Dec 19, 2005
This is the way I pay my own TITHE.

Deu 14:22[b] Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. [/b]

Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.


Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; [or] if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:


Deu 14:25[b] Then shalt thou turn [it] into money, and bind up the money in thine hand[/b], and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:


Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,


Deu 14:27 And the Levite that [is] within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.


Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay [it] up within thy gates:


Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which [are] within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 8:23am On Dec 19, 2005
Sane! How do you anticipate and appraise the effect of the topic "tithe"? is it not stealing by method? EFCC should call somebody like you for questioning. Read your bible very well
PoliticsRe: Bayelsa State: DSP Alamieyeseigha Impeached and Arrested by Hndholder(m): 3:03pm On Dec 16, 2005
is the man still in NIGERIA
Christianity EtcRe: The Holy Grail? (Grail Message) by Hndholder(m): 12:17pm On Dec 16, 2005
Sure, the author of this threand is taking about the Grail message.

The Grail Message is a special Work, which clearly answers all the unsolved problems of human existence. The vast knowledge mediated in its pages leads the earnestly-seeking reader, who weighs and examines objectively, out of the present-day confusion and distortion, to clear recognitions.



The Grail Message commands attention by its forceful language, by the clarity of its thoughts and by the setting right of distorted concepts, unmistakably and sometimes severely but irrefutably explained.



The laws in which the entire Creation came into being and exists are plainly set forth, the World Happening is interpreted in its true significance, and man's responsibility before God and his fellow man is revealed and explained. Thus to him who opens himself to these recognitions is restored the indestructible inner security of his personality. For the seeking human being, the 168 lectures of this Work deal with all essential questions and spheres of life:


Whoever bears the desire for it living within him, and is willing to make the effort, will be helped to fulfilment by the work "In the Light of Truth", The Grail Message of Abd-ru-shin.



The Author writes:

“...I wish to fill the gaps which have so far remained unanswered in the souls of men, and which never leave any serious thinker in peace, if he honestly seeks the Truth.”

“With my Message I now open the Book of Creation for you! The Message clearly shows you the Language of God in Creation, which you must learn to understand so that you can make it your own.”
The Author recommends that the lectures of the Grail Message be read in sequence, and not picked out individually, seeking to judge the Work in this way. The knowledge of the Grail Message cannot be grasped by glancing through it.
Christianity EtcRe: The Holy Grail? (Grail Message) by Hndholder(m): 12:13pm On Dec 16, 2005
Manifold are the interpretations of the poetic works which exist about the Holy Grail. The most serious scholars and researchers have occupied themselves with this mystery. Some of their work has high moral value, but it all bears within it the great fault that it shows only a building up from the earthly upwards, while the main thing, the ray of Light from above downwards, which alone could bring animation and enlightenment, is lacking.[/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000][/color][color=#990000]
WesleyanA:
http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/holy_grail.htm <------ click on the link.
it's that cup presumably used by Jesus on the last supper.
Grail interpritations are many but the message from the grail is another thing on the link www.grailnet.org
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 12:00pm On Dec 16, 2005
MICAH

5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.


8 ¶ But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
Christianity EtcRe: To Tithe or Not to Tithe? by Hndholder(m): 11:51am On Dec 16, 2005
donnie,

you are still defending all these fakes of yours on tithing stealing by stYle!
Christianity EtcRe: The Holy Grail? (Grail Message) by Hndholder(m): 4:56pm On Dec 15, 2005
The grail message, is in Book I read, it is in three volumes. I got my knowledged about creation improved by that book call IN the light of Truth.

Grailife ,
Are you a chritian or Muslim ? What is your belief like?
Christianity EtcRe: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Hndholder(m): 4:24pm On Dec 15, 2005
History will always repeat itself[43.63] And when  Jesus came with clear arguments he said: I have come to you indeed with wisdom, and that I may make clear to you part of what you differ in; so be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me
[61.6] And when Jesus son of Mariam said: O children of Israel! surely I am the apostle of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and[b] giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name being Ahmad,[/b] but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.
Be Born Against Christ teaching for NAIRA sake is the other of the day.Catholics Believes that Being Born Again are Protestant  acts. Psychological in balance and abnormal behavior
IslamRe: God and Allah: Are they the same? by Hndholder(m): 1:21pm On Dec 15, 2005
The holy KORAN said in [4.171] O followers of the Book!(BIBLE) do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa (JESUS) son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 1:16pm On Dec 15, 2005
[4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 1:14pm On Dec 15, 2005
[3.45] When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
[3.52] But when Isa perceived unbelief on their part, he said Who will be my helpers in Allah's way? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones.
[3.55] And when Allah said: O Isa, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.
[3.59] Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 1:11pm On Dec 15, 2005
The Koran[2.253] We have made some of these apostles to excel the others among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium, and strengthened him with the holy spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so there were some of them who believed and others who denied; and if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah brings about what He intends.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 1:08pm On Dec 15, 2005
The Koran[2.136] Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 1:06pm On Dec 15, 2005
The Koran[2.87] And most certainly We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa (JESUS), the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then an apostle came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 12:55pm On Dec 15, 2005
God is good he has done me well o my soul rise up and praise the lord. This when you are meeting your target.

Oh God Why this Plan Crash now etc that is the other side of him

Why me?

God is not like a man. He has his will he gave you yours. Christian or Non Christian heaven is for those that meet the requirement.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians: Can a Non-Christian Go to Heaven? by Hndholder(m): 11:45am On Dec 15, 2005
It is your work, what you do with your FREE WILL God do not care about you. Lucifer is their to tempt you. If you like fail then HELL is there.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Hndholder(m): 11:32am On Dec 15, 2005
nferyn:
I have the distinct impression that, even though I don't believe, my walk in life is much closer to the true spirit of Jesus' teachings that many of you Bible thumping, intolerant religious bigots. To all of you - and those to whom it applies will know - your religion is just a dark cloak to hide your venom.
Just call them pretenders. Fake of no origin
Christianity EtcRe: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Hndholder(m): 11:18am On Dec 15, 2005
lioness:
Go back to sunday school boyyyy
Who will be my teacher at the sunday school?
IslamRe: God and Allah: Are they the same? by Hndholder(m): 11:06am On Dec 15, 2005
myname:
am disapoited that even some of u in the room that call urselfs christians will agree that the God u serve is thesame with am idol in Ka'aba called Allah. pic it upon yourself to study the origin of Islam very well n come back to answer this question. THEYU ARE NOT AND WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
Why? this is fanatical. Did you ever see GOD ? and you will never see him until .... Mix up of religion God Or Allah is one. Spend your time wisely.
CareerRe: Access/Marina/Capital Banks to Sack All Polytechnic & State University Graduates by Hndholder(m): 9:48am On Dec 15, 2005
You said O BOY and I let you know that I am an elder , so Mind your language. I am sorry if you feel offended but I also demand the same apology for insulting all of us that MISTAKENLY attend the polytechnic.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Hndholder(m): 9:20am On Dec 15, 2005
Baptism set you free from original sin. Confirmation follows, Confession of sin is as when due. You live a new life
Christianity EtcRe: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Hndholder(m): 4:55pm On Dec 14, 2005
Yes, why then do you have too much women in the church?. Again Do you enter your mothers womb to be born again? You only change your way of life, you live a new life that is all. In catholic church once you are baptized the first sin or original sin will no longer be there, then you are born again.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Catholics Believe in Being Born Again? by Hndholder(m): 3:42pm On Dec 14, 2005
I mean de-voice not divorce all the same. You know God via the church. Be born again is a political jingle used to confuse low thinkers like women. That is why you find them more in Pentecostal churches

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