₦airaland Forum

VomeSchakleton:
No small fry, i've been to and im acquainted to all corners of the state! you forget to key in the population density of lgs. the last time a christian rallied his brothers in kaduna it didnt end well for him. Saying christians arent active in kaduna politics is one of the mkst ridiculous things i've heard. you just dont have the population or kaduna would be taraba or something.

Are u aware that Kaduna was carved out of old Kaduna state (which included Katsina)? During that time, southern kaduna people (christians) were extremely small in the state and Katsina and Zaria people dominated everything.

When Katsina left, they handed over to Zaria people and Kaduna state was designed to favour Hausa domination.
These are some of the reasons too.
Christians only started agitating or standing on their rights in Kaduna not too long ago.

Do u know that Ibrahim Nasiru Mantu a muslims was senator of Plateau central for 8yrs? (is Plateau central a muslim dominated zone? Hell no!). Taraba north has produced muslim senators and there was a time that all the 3 senators in Taraba state were muslims, despite the dominant christian populations in these states.
Most northern christians only started becoming religiously conscious recently when it comes to politics, in the past they were never like that.
We in Kogi till today do not give a Bleep about religion when it comes to politics.
Not everyone is a religious bigot like ur types

VomeSchakleton:
Exactly, eritea shows that christians at the slightest edge tend to dominate. furthermore, only a charlatan will equate northern nigerias politics to these countries. why do you think a muslim can become president in a yoruba doninates state? its ethnicity, all the presidents in sierra leone have been from the same muslim populated region. and we both know religion plays a deeper role in nigerias election than other places. heck even with all the hardhip gej was inflicting on the north he won in all christian dominated southern kaduna strong holds fid he not? And frankly small fry, i dont think you know what 'bigot' means! seems political correctness is just making people lose their heads.

See u? Do u know that Chad is also abt equal christians and muslim populations? But the muslims have turned the christians to second class citizens because they unite better.

The reason why christians dominate Eriteria is based on their history. The muslim tribes in Eriterea were like 3rd class citizens in old Ethiopia while the Tigrinya (the majority tribe in current Eritrea) had higher status in old Ethiopia.
Now that they are in a new country, all Eritrean christians are one tribe (Tigrunya), making it easy for them to speak as one, while the muslims are minority tribes (but put together make up abt half of the state).

Yes i dont dispute the fact that GEJ still won in southern kaduna in 2015 but the votes were low because many southern kaduna indigenes did not bother to come out to vote, that was why Buhari got abt 75% votes in the state.
What abt 2011 election? All the votes GEJ got in Kaduna were still from Southern kaduna but GEJ got abt 47% votes in the state (about 1,2 million). Same thing happened in Plateau. Know ur demographics!!

VomeSchakleton:
And now youre speaking about my state of origin. Kurama? Probably, but stop exaggerating the population of people just because youve met a few in your circle. Its called selection bias.

When i first heard of Kurama people from Kano, i was surprised, until i checked the map for myself and i found out that Kurama homeland in Kaduna (Lere LGA) and Kurama homeland in Plateau (Bassa LGA) share land boundary with the southern tip of Kano.
That was when i believed that kurama homeland can be very much extended to Kano.
Kano state shares land boundary with Kaduna, Plateau and Bauchi states and these states are strongly populated by minority groups, so why do u think it would be impossibe for boundary misadjustments to have left some people carved away?
It's just like someone saying that Zamfara is 100% hausa and fulani, forgetting that this state shares boundary with Kebbi and Niger states which is populated by minority groups and hence possible for their communities to spill over. There are dukawa and Zuru speaking villages in Zamfara spilling over from neighbouring Niger and Kebbi states but even most Zamfara hausa and fulani indigenes do not know!

VomeSchakleton:
Wow! I'm really convinced you lot are deluded now. If you had said this for Taraba, even nassarawa or kogi, i'd agree but kaduna? Loool! You are not even serious. Give you a break down? Where i grew up and lived all my life? You lot have lost the plot... i wonder who is feeding you this madness!

Jesus christ, because someone grew up in Tudun wada or Rigassa in Kaduna and met mostly muslims then he thinks the whole Kaduna are muslims. Smh
If a christian tells me that Kaduna is overwhemingly christian i will tell him to stop saying that. The fact that i have stayed in Sabon Tasha, Barnawa, Television, Kafanchan in Kaduna state and met almost only christians will never make me conclude Kaduna is overwhemingly christians.
Kaduna state has abt 23 LGAs, about half of the number of these LGAs are dominantly christians, likewise half muslims.

VomeSchakleton:
Yet a christian has never been elected governor or even won a primary yeah? As arrogant as northern christians can be? Hate to bring religion into this but its a fact. I lived in kaduna all my life small fry and frankly you're an im.becile if you truly think that. FOH with your stupidity

Like seriously, how can a sane individual use the religion of political position holders to judge the demographics of a state or place? Only a religious bigot does that.
Naturally, muslims are more politically inclined than Christians, u guys put more religious comitment to politics than christians.
Look at some African countries like Eritrea and Sierra Leone, i think muslims are more in these countries or its roughly equally divided, but do u know that a muslim has never become president in these countries?. The christians have been ruling and dominating, but only an ignorant person who does not know how to ascertain demography will just conclude that these countries are christian dominated countries.

kogirodent:
Kano is a pure Hausa state. All de indegenes are Hausa maybe wit some Fulani. All de other north-western states habe Hausa in large populations or majority and some other tribes all as indegenes.

Kano is overwhemingly Hausa and Hausanized fulanis by population, but there are some minority Kurama speaking people i think around Tudun wada LGA in extreme southern kano who spilled over from Kaduna and Plateau states across the boundary. I have met Kurama indigenes from Kano state.

DaPuncline:
Yorubas are the weak point of southern unity ? See dirty words from an asshole. So why did Zik rejected AG's alliance in '60s and instead ran to the north to forged an alliance with Balewa a Grade II teacher hausa man ? Wat of ekwueme's alliance with shagari. Everyone knows your headache is still oozing out of jonathan's defeat.

I am not an igbo person. Am from Kogi, so i really dont care about who is the weak link in the south, and maybe i used the wrong words or wrong expression.
Let me say, recently, the SS and SE seemed to have form an unbreakable political bond which the SW do not want. That is why i used dat word.
I am from the middlebelt and i adress my people as the weak link of the north and i know why i said so.
Bigotry has eaten deep into the minds of some of u guys on nairaland that u tend to inteprete every word with such thoughts. This is terribly bad and unbefiting of learned individuals. U could have corrected me on my choice of words without insults.

famosh:
PDP, a northern party, won in those states & not Jonathan. Jonathan should have contested under APGA & let's see if he'll get 30 votes in the north.

No, the people of these states believed in the person of GEJ and not just PDP, middlebelt people vote for person and not party.

dustmalik:
You are definitely not from Kogi state because you don't know anything about Kogi.

Don't mind her.

Since u know so much abt Kogi, why dont u tell me?

VomeSchakleton:
If truly kogi is your state and you are saying this you are absolutely clueless. Youre just like those who will tell you christians outnumber muslims in Kaduna.

Are u from Kogi state or have u lived there before? Do u know the tribes that make up each LGA in Kogi? Have u met ppl from all the LGAs that make up Kogi? So how do u know i am clueless?
Kaduna state is about a 50/50 from my observation just like Kogi, just that some muslims will feel muslims are more in Kogi and Kaduna just because they dominate the state politically or have met or interract with more muslims from the states, likewise some christians will feel christians are more in these states because they have interracted with more christians from these states or have lived in more christian dominated areas of the states.
I can give u a detailed break down of the ethnic make up and demographics of every LGA in Kogi and Kaduna to butress my points. Can u do same?

9jatatafo:
they all hold on to power that is my point

Since the return to democracy in 1999, Southernerns have been dominating Northernerns. OBJ and GEJ ruled for 14 years combined while latr Yar'adua and Buhari just 3-4 years now.
So what are u saying? Northernerns only fared better during the military rule.

kuluzzzy:
abeg tell am ooo. in fact Benue ar 90% christian and kogi 40%

How did u come about this statistic?
Where are the muslims towns in benue for them to be up to 10%? Benue is over 95% christian by indigenous population.
The only place in Benue where u can find predominantly muslim communities is Agatu LGA, nowhere else in the state.

As for Kogi my state, it should be a 50/50 pls. Muslims are not more.

DeRay98:
Let me also correct the notion that Murtala Mohamed was from Kano state, that's he claimed because he grew up there. He is originally from Edo state, somewhere in Edo North (i don't know his village) just like Ahmed Musa of Super Eagles also claims Kano state.

Murtala's mother is the one from Edo (Auchi). His father is believed to be a migrant from Plateau (berom by tribe) who settled in Kano, d reason he claims Kano.

Ahmed Musa claims to be from Plateau state (Jos) because that was where he was born and bred, not Kano. His father is originally from Maiduguri, his mother is the one from Afuze, Edo state.

Unimaginable123:
you are talking of middle belt. I'm talking of core North. Go to sokoto, kano, katsina, even daura, they speak hausa in every family. U will never hear fulfude (which is fulani language) spoken anywhere

U are just damn wrong.

Fulfude (fulani) is spoken all over Yola (Adamawa) and Gombe by the fulanis there. I have met pure fulanis fro Adamawa who cannot speak hausa.

Many Kanuri people of Yobe and Borno states do not fucking understand a word of Hausa. They speak only Kanuri in their mosques and call for prayer in Kanuri language.
What about Kebbi state? Many of the Zuru people who occupy (Kebbi south) do not understand Hausa. Let's not even go to the numerous large tribes in Gombe and Adamawa like Tangale, Waja, Michika, Bachama e.t.c, many of them dont understand Hausa as such.

What u must know is that even in the core north, some people from the larger minority tribes there dont understand hausa as such especially in the rural areas, but in the urban areas, they try to learn and speak hausa as a means of trade.

DrayZee:
It's okay.... As far as I'm concerned, Middlebelt and the North are different.

You dont need to tell me that. I am from Kogi state (full blown middlebelter). Most of our people do not even know what is called AREWA or where it is located. LoL.

Amusaopeyemi:
Same thing I thought until I started touring Nigeria with Alhaji Danladi. Mehn, sooooooooo many tribes in the north. The only thing is that all of them understands and speak Hausa.

Pls correct yourself. A lot of the Kanuri and Bura people of Yobe and Borno state do not understand hausa (especially in the rural areas). Many Adamawa tribes too do not understand hausa as such.

Down in the middlebelt, Hausa is an alien language in Kogi and Benue. We dont understand it at all and have no business with it.
Many people from tribes from Kebbi, Niger, Plateau, Nasarawa, Taraba, Gombe do not understand Hausa as such, they only speak their native languages (especially in the rural areas).

Unimaginable123:
wushishi people are not nupes

There are Nupe people in Wushishi too. There are also Hausa settlers and Gbabgyi (gwari) too.

aisammy4:
Yeh, Gere is in Kaduna

There are Gere and Gera tribes people in Bauchi state too. Also called Gerawa

DrayZee:
The North could all come together and vote Buhari.
The South could not do the same for Jonathan... That's where the division lies...

You are wrong! In 2011, 7 northern states (middlebelt especially) rejected Buhari and voted GEJ, with states like Plateau and Kaduna giving GEJ over 1 million votes each, more than even many southern states gave GEJ.

Some of u just dont know anything about the demographics of Nigeria.
Middlebelt is the weak point of Northern unity just as Yorubas are the weak point of southern unity.

Even in 2015, Buhari still lost in Plateau, Nasarawa, Taraba and FCT (middlebelt).

9jatatafo:
what's the difference between Hausa and Fulani or gwari? they all speak same language

God forbid bad thing. Some Nigerians are really very ignorant.
Gwari language is as different from Hausa as French is different from Chinese.
Gwari is a Nupoid language under the Niger-congo family of languages. Hausa on the other hand is under the Chadic language subfamily of the Afro-asiatic family of languages. Fulani is a sene-gambian language. Kanuri is a Nilo-saharan language.

The only thing is that some of these other northern tribes understand hausa to an extent and use it as a lingua franca.

If not Gwari, Nupe and most other middlebelt languages are closer to Igbo and Yoruba than they are closer to Hausa.

namuguibe:
They all fall under the umbrella of Hausa and the other commonality they have is that they have looted this country!

So all Southernerns (Igbo, Calabar, Edo, Ijaw, Urhobo and Yoruba) fall under the same Umbrella too. Full stop.

Presidiotbuhari:

Abboki na abboki, wether from kogi, benue, jos, sambisa, kwara, kano or kafanchan all na thesame.... Smh

Foolishness of the highest order

So can we say that all Southernerns (ritualists and baby factory products) are all the same? whether from Oshogbo, Ibadan, Okija, Onitsha, Warri, Edo or Calabar

danjumakolo:
Hmmm kannywood shud really thank God for fighting,defeating and removing the agent of the Freemasons from her midst...let her go n dine wiv the jezebels...

Only God knows how many children lives she would have misled in the north who would wished to dress and b like her....

Who is this 15th century creature typing on nairaland? Pls u dont belong to this era, go and ride camels in the Arabian desert like your prophet did, ok? Nonsense!

ApenaEde:
IINFIDELS .

Terrorist. U will end like Osama bin laden

SAMBARRY:
aswear

Just how many days in America see transformation

God punish Islam and their followers who kill the dreams of women

Amen, very backward religion.
There are so many female talents in that northern region, that useless religion is just what is taking them backwards. Serves them right.
Now they will think twice b4 banning anyone next time