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Music/RadioRe: BBC World Service To Start Broadcasting In Igbo And Yoruba by ianSweet(f): 10:10am On Nov 16, 2016
Why are many Igbos and yorubas beefing the Hausa language and longtime existence of BBC Hausa?

Hausa language is an international language spoken in up to 5 countries as lingua franca unlike Yoruba or Igbo that are just national languages.
CultureRe: Villagers Gather For 'Spiritual Cleansing' In Omambala River In Anambra. Photos by ianSweet(f): 9:59am On Nov 16, 2016
ChrisEsq:
Diabolical is what they told you your culture is before snatching it off your hand. Then they filled your head with movies. Christianity is more pagan than any other religion.
Ok i guess we should all go back to human sacrifice and killing of twins since we really want to retain our cultures and make sure u drop everything that belongs to the white man away from your lives including the gadget u are using to type.
U guys should be realistic for once.
Many European societies used to be barbarians in the past, but they began to progress once they dropped their regressive cultures. They only retained the progressive elements of their cultures and that is what we are supposed to do too.

Show me any advanced and progressive country in the world that holds on to diabloical customs and ritual festivals as part of their nationality!
Most progressive countries apart from those in the Arabian gulf are rapidly dropping culture and religion as a whole.
CultureRe: Villagers Gather For 'Spiritual Cleansing' In Omambala River In Anambra. Photos by ianSweet(f): 9:44am On Nov 16, 2016
ChrisEsq:
Slave alert. Only by returning to our ancestral roots stolen by the Europeans shall we make headway. The version they forced on you is why you don't make headway.
Are u saying that we should all go back to idolatory, animal sacrifice and all manners of stone age cultures of ignorance just because we want to retain our culture?

Even the Europeans reformed their cultures, the cultures they practices centuries and millenia ago is no longer what they practice today.

There are aspects of our culture we are to retain like our native languages, cultural attires, traditional cuisines but not diabolical and demonic festivals and rituals!!
PoliticsRe: Dino Melaye Set To Sponsor Bill Against Tribal Marks After Seeing This Photo by ianSweet(f): 10:07am On Nov 14, 2016
Yoruba people really have to stop this useless and worthless culture ASAP. It is a national embarrasment!

I expect to see young and enlightenend minds from the yoruba nation to take this issue up and fight for it's end.
This is wickedness of the highest order in the 21st century.
PoliticsRe: Anambra: Massive Roads Construction Kicks Off Soon by ianSweet(f): 9:52am On Nov 14, 2016
Thisis2raw:
last time I checked OMOYOWA is not an Igbo name, so you don't have a say. Take your hating shiit to the west
Must someone be an Igbo person to reside in Anambra? Every Nigerian is a citizen anywhere in the country he or she resides, besides, one must now have an Igbo name to be Igbo. Some are from multi tribal families.

Why are u guys just bigots?
PoliticsRe: Declare Kogi Oil Producing State Now - Lawmakers To Buhari by ianSweet(f): 12:34pm On Nov 12, 2016
ozonenaira3:
taught dat the case has been settled.... the oil Belong to anambra.... they should go nd rest.
Nothing has been settled and nothing belongs to Anambra. Odeke and Echenyo towns are in Kogi state.
CelebritiesRe: MTVEMAs Strips Wizkid Off His Best African Act Award To Alikiba, Fans React by ianSweet(f): 12:02pm On Nov 12, 2016
1zynnvn:
Alikiba again, I had to search for this guy and download his so called hit tracks Aje and mwana. I must say, I wasted my data and my precious minutes listening to them. Aje try small sha
Well, dats u, for me i love his musics. Try Unconditionally bae and Nagaramia, which he was featured by other east african artistes.
CultureRe: The 5 Most Powerful Traditional Rulers In Nigeria by ianSweet(f): 9:09pm On Nov 10, 2016
kcnwaigbo:
The alaafin of oyo should not be in that list.Furthermore the obi of Onitsha should be included!!

The only traditional ruler in that list whose influence extends beyond his region is the sultan of sokoto who also doubles as the leader of Nigerian Muslims. Other could be classified based on their sphere of influence in their geopolitical zones

Se-obi of Onitsha
Sw-ooni of Ife
Ss-oba of Benin
Nc-atta of igala
Nw-sultan of sokoto
Ne-?
Northeast should be Shehu of Borno or Aku Uka of Wukari.

Besides, why do u think in the north-central that the Attah of Igala is more infleintial that the Tor Tiv, Etsu Nupe or Gbon gwom Jos?
FamilyRe: Jobless Graduate Welcomes A Set Of Triplets. Photos by ianSweet(f): 11:40pm On Nov 07, 2016
john4reala:
MY SUGGESTION ON HOW NIGERIA WILL BE GREAT
AGAIN...
IF ALL NIGERIAN PASTORS, IMAMS, HERBALIST will
come together and Swear For Buhari,
If the swear no work, make I necked Go calabar..
LoLL
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 5:44pm On Nov 06, 2016
Pchidexy:
Is Emeka Esogbue a normal human being? Here, you go again using one idiot to quantify a whole group of people.

Abegi. Shift!
As much as i dont care about issues of Anioma identity, i dont think u have the right to insult a full grown man who asserts the identity of his own people. You are not from his own people, so u have no rights to insult him on his choices. He has many followers even from Anioma and i admire his knowledge on history, so i follow his write ups. And why do u feel i am using only him to judge?

There is this Nigerian footballer, i think Sunday Oliseh or so, i saw a speech of his where he claimed that he is not an Igbo man. There is this woman called Lauretta Onochie or so, i think she and some other Anioma people on a sort of Anioma group or so and i saw a statement of hers. I also had a coursemate from Agbor with an Igbo name but she claims that she is not igbo, it seemed strange to me because her name was Chidinma, but i had to respect her choice of identity. Many more instances.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 5:32pm On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
Those communities had never identified themselves as members of Igala ethnic nationality. They just acknowledge their Igala ancestry and take pride in being part of the Igbo commonwealth.
Igbo commonwealth? Like WTF! When did u guys establish your commonwealth of nations? U guys have really taken the tribal bigotry too far. I wish u guys speedy recovery.
Read this link below and see ur so called Igbo Igwe identifying his people as Igala speaking descendants of Igalas. I bet u know the people more than their king does. grin

http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20130413034525zg/nigeria-watch/why-anambra-cannot-claim-ownership-of-oil-wells-in-igga-by-community-leaders/
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 5:27pm On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
Like I said before. The Igalas hijacked the royal stool of those towns, and succeeded in "Igalanizing" them.
What do u mean by igalas hijacked the royal stools of those towns?
In this link below, the King who is an Igwe (title still in Igbo language) acknowledged his people as Igala speaking and descendants of Igalas. What else do u want to hear?
Read the link abeg, and hear from the Igwe's mouth himself

http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20130413034525zg/nigeria-watch/why-anambra-cannot-claim-ownership-of-oil-wells-in-igga-by-community-leaders/
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 9:20am On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
What facts to discuss again in this discussion?
Discussion had since ran its natural course when you walked him with your Afonjaic vituperation to make mockery of yourself.

Ette had since been established as an Idoma dominant town where the Igbos run a distant second and the violent Igala third.
Vanguard a national daily had supported this,?and an Ette native on nairaland corroborated it.



But nah, you want me to take the account of Igalas in Ette and those in Edo( Revolva) and Kogi( OmoIgala and iansweet) so that you can continue your Afonjaic masturbation.

Ofcourse I refused and here we are.

You had been peeping into this thread with your AkinEgba handle, but when you felt the Igala contingents were losing as they should, you logged in here with your laudate handle, with which you can claim unconcerned neutral party to prop up and cheer up the Igalas, any thing to get to Omo Ibos right? grin

Well, you ended up blowing your little cover, and now you are busted and "casted", your Afonja identity unmasked before the public . Then you resorted to wailing all over the thread talking about sound facts and falsehoods, when you AkinEgba are an epitome of falsehood with your chameleon laudate handle.

Get away you! You stink.
Dont make it look like Ette is the only Igala speaking town in Kogi. Adani, Ojjor, Asaba, Igga and Ogurugu are also igala speaking towns in Enugu state and even their king has confirmed it.

And if u claim the Igala speakers are minority in the Ette town, how come the traditional titles and traditional rulers of the town are all Igalas and in Igala language? Explaim this for us.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 9:15am On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
You are not serious.

But hey! It's a free world, your are free to believe whatever you want.

If there are no Igbos in Kogi, them there are no Igalas in Enugu and Anambra. The Igala speaking people there are Igbos who got influenced by Igalas. cool
What about the so called Igbo speakers in Benue? Should middlebelt claim them too?
If u people claim Igala speaking towns in Enugu and Anambra, we claim those ones in Benue, but even those ones in Benue are extremely poor and really have nothing to offer anyone with their poor topohraphy.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 9:07am On Nov 06, 2016
laudate:
You have just spoilt some people's day. They have been holding calculators, trying to add up the new territories they will annex into their proposed republic and you just spoilt their fun. Chai! grin



Don't waste your breath. Even if 10 kings send a confirmation that their people are Igala, they would still refute it because they want to attach other ethnic groups by force, to their proposed republic. cheesy
LoLL @the holding calculators part.
U must be a hillarious person. U have said the truth nevertheless.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 9:03am On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
I can ask you the same. Who made you a final say on the idea that any Igbo speaking town in Kogi is Igala but Igala speaking towns in Anambra and Enugu are not Igbos but Igalas?
because no town that speaks igbo in Kogi has ever publicly identified themselves as Igbo speakers. I mean, we all heard when the Benue igbo speakers identified themselves to thr whole world in the news.
We have also heard the Igala speakers from Anambra, Enugu and even Delta identify themselves publicly. That is where i stand.
If u want us to start bringing in links and write ups from the horse's mouth to prove, we can
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 9:00am On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
They never needed to conquer all of those groups. They only needed to conquer the largest of them all, the Hausas, and create a strong powerful Hausa core in North that sucked in the rest of the smaller tribes there to fall in.

Even at that. Those non Hausa groups speak Hausa only as a language of trade and socialization. They still have their own non Hausa languages and. Cultures.
I refuse to see how this applies to Igbo speaking communities, who also speak Igala.
Who are the Igbo speaking communities? Most of these billingual communities in Kogi, Enugu and Anambra usually identify themselves as Igala speakers (meaning that Igala is their first original language) and not vice versa when interviewed.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 8:51am On Nov 06, 2016
Igboid:
Exactly, those communities who are bilingual in Igala and Igbo in Anambra and Enugu identify with the Igbo nation.
So you might as well take your own advice here.

I'd advise you stay off Anioma issue, as you know next to nothing about it. Uwaechue, an Anioma son was the immediate past president of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, and you don't know about his identity more than him.
Most of those communities i know have never identified themselves as Igbo people (in a public interview) they always adress themselves as Igala speakers, but they usually take pride in being from Enugu, Anambra or Delta states, some of them claim Kogi. I have seen a family who are originally from Nzam, Anambra state, but they sometimes claim Kogi state because they are Igala speaking.
There are so many published news articles we have seen where people from Anambra, Enugu and Delta states identified themselves as Igala speakers, that is where i stand.

Like i said, its not as if i care about where Anioma people choose to belong, just that we are not blind, i have seen on nairaland, facebook and even physically where some Aniomas reject being called Igbo especially Ika and Ndokwa people. Like one public figure Emeka Esogbue i follow his write up, he is from Anioma and he claims his people are not Igbos.
Whatever they decide is good for them and not really my problem. If i have the time, maybe i will embark on a research on the cause for this identity crisis among these people.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 8:37am On Nov 06, 2016
Pchidexy:
Trash! Igalas in Anambra state are Igalas but Igbos in Kogi state are not Igbos.

Clap for yourself.
No traditional leader or group of people from Kogi have ever come out in public to claim that they are Igbos or Igbo speaking people just like we heard from those Benue Igbo people, but times without number, people from Anambra, Delta, Enugu and Edo have come out to boldly identify themselves as Igalas or Igala speaking people.
We have to hear from the horse's mouth! Not making baseless speculations of bigotry.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 8:33am On Nov 06, 2016
Eddiecute86:
I can categorically deduced from most of your posts that you often use this statement " People have the right to decide where they want to belong irrespective of language or cultural similarities with anyone " as a shield of which you are not far from the truth.

Howbeit, such circumstances of which we both know are politically motivated and can never last.

Speaking of the anioma issue , dont even venture there, igbos don't argue that Aniomas are igbo we all know they are Proudly Igbo... you can verify yourself from their fb page PROUDLY IGBO: PROUDLY ANIOMA......In addition the current eze ndigbo in Nigeria os from Anioma.... so case closed.
How do u know they dont last? Yugoslavia broke up and all the independent slavic tribes are in peace today in the individual countries.
I have met some people from Anioma who deny igbo identity too. I think those people are facing a sort of identity crisis like Ilorin people.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 8:30am On Nov 06, 2016
VomeSchakleton:
Igbiras and some idomas certainly look like igbos though. Genetically and linguistically speaking your languages are very close. Ive always maintained most middlebeltan and southern tribes share a similar ancestry.
Yes, most ppl from Kogi and Benue share more ancestry and cultural/linguistic ties with southernerns.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 2:07pm On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
Yes, everyone knows about Ekpon, the Ika speaking Esan town, but we all know that Ekpon still kept all the Esan markers, like festivals, method of burial, music styles, culture, traditions, etc. And that even some sections of Ekpon still speak Esan. Once again, this is an epic failure from you, everyone knows Ekpon was originally Esan and that their town is still contagious with Esan speaking communities. So I don't understand the point you were trying to prove by bringing them into our discussion.
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The point i am trying to prove is that not everyone that speaks your language or shares cultures with u must identify with u. Esans, Binis and Etsakos share so much cultural and linguistic similarities but they identify differently.
I see that Igbos usually argue that Anioma people are Igbos (not as if i care) but these igbos forget that Binis and Anioma people too share so much cultural and ancestral ties too. So it would not be out of place for Anioma people to decide that they are not Igbos. People have the right to decide where they want to belong irrespective of language or cultural similarities with anyone.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 1:53pm On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
Fulanis conquered Hausas and adopted Hausa language as the lingua franca of their new Islamic emirate, in the North. Northern non Hausa tribes speak Hausa because of strong Fulani emirate system in place, subtly forcing everyone to learn Hausa as a language of communication, if they must fit into the society. Yet those non Hausa groups still have their own non Hausa first languages and cultures.
Pls u really do not know anything about northern history, so i guess u stick to arguments on Igbo history.
First of Fulanis never conquered all the tribes in the north, they never conquered Kanem Bornu (Kanuri empire), they never conquered Plateau, Wukari (kwararafa kingfom), so there was absolutely no way they would have been able to force hausa language on these people. Islamic Emirates have never ruled the Kanuris, Plateaus or Souther Tarabans, they have only been ruled by their traditional rulers.
These people only embraced hausa as a trade language or Bible language (the bible for northern christians was first translated in hausa).

And pls, not all fulanis adopted Hausa as lingua franca, it was only those that settled in Hausa land that adopted hausa. The fulani emirates founded in Adamawa, Gombe and Muri (Taraba) never adopted hausa as a lingua franca and that is why till date if u go to Adamawa u find many fulanis who cannot speak hausa.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 1:39pm On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
Well, German speaking Austrians and Swiss are of the same stock with Germans in Germany, only that they were not part of the German tribes United by Otto von Bismarck to form Germany, likewise Lichtenstein. They don't deny being of same stock with those in the Rhines region of Germany.
And I never remembered saying that empire is the only reason a people might choose the language of their neighbors.
I only brought it up because you seemed to be painting a picture of all big and powerful ancient SE that dominated small Igala,which I already proved that no such big Igbo nation existed. So I will chalk off this part of your essay as irrelevant.

Portugal and Spain are two independent countries, I understand we are talking about intra country relationships . Spain is a country, not a nationality, just like Nigeria. Everyone knows that Spain is made up of distinct nationalists like Castilia, Catalonia, Basque, Galicia, et.c. so I don't know the point you are trying to score with bringing Spain into the discussion.

Yes, everyone knows about Ekpon, the Ika speaking Esan town, but we all know that Ekpon still kept all the Esan markers, like festivals, method of burial, music styles, culture, traditions, etc. And that even some sections of Ekpon still speak Esan. Once again, this is an epic failure from you, everyone knows Ekpon was originally Esan and that their town is still contagious with Esan speaking communities. So I don't understand the point you were trying to prove by bringing them into our discussion.

Fulanis conquered Hausas and adopted Hausa language as the lingua franca of their new Islamic emirate, in the North. Northern non Hausa tribes speak Hausa because of strong Fulani emirate system in place, subtly forcing everyone to learn Hausa as a language of communication, if they must fit into the society. Yet those non Hausa groups still have their own non Hausa first languages and cultures.

Akoko Edos don't speak Yoruba, infact, it's the Akoko ondos that speak languages many Yorubas struggle to understand.
Nupe and Yorubas had many clashes in the past, who is to say how many Nupe people today are actually assimilated Yorubas? Was Oyo ile not ransacked by the Tsoede Nupe in the past? Nupe conquered parts of Yoruba territories which explains Yoruba influence in Nupe.

Efik neighbors understand Efik, they don't speak Efik and certainly don't partake in most EFik traditions and culture. So once again, I don't understand the point you intended to make with this your long epistle.

Igala and Igbo market days are not exactly the same, neither Igala nor Idoma revered Ana/Ali/Ala/Ani the earth goddess, they obviously don't revere Kolanut like Ndiigbo do, don't think they have Afiajioku/Ifejioku/Ihejioku culture.
You simply have no point.
It seems like u are the type that makes a comment and actually forget that u did.
These were your own words

Igboid:
The only marker of Igbo identity is Igbo language. And Maybe our four market days, Afiajioku/Ihejioku/ Ifejioku, reverence to Ani/Ala/Ali/Ana deity, reverence for Kola nut.
Once you have those markers, you are definitely Igbo.
Yorubas had an aggressive empire that went on colonizing their neighbors, so they know that not all that speak their language are Yorubas. Ndiigbo never had such empires.
Instead we were pushed from the west by expanding Bini empire, North by the Igalas and Idomas..
U claimed that the only marker of igbo identity is Igbo language and before the other points u attached a 'maybe'. So i took u for what u said, u used the reference of an agressive yoruba empire to prove that everyone who speaks yoruba might not be yoruba but everyone who speaks igbo must be igbo.
I really dont like debating with people who change their words or twists their tongues.

Who also made u a final say on what terms should be used in classifying who is Igbo or not? That's very shallow.
The Europeans were the ones who classified all Igbo speaking tribes and identified them as Igbos, likewise all the yoruba speaking tribes and called them yoruba for administrative convenience, and they did not use all the so called markers u listed above as their criteria.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 11:41am On Nov 05, 2016
nextdoor84:
Arguing over Anioma and ikwerre really?
You should know that what the igboid race in nigeria of today is telling you doubters and enemies of the pan Igbo struggle is that the Igboid race don't begin and end in the SE zone..because for obvious reasons most of you guys are ignorant of this. The unification of all igboid group should be the absolute priority for anyone who choose to lead the igboid group...

Sometimes I wonder what the hell is wrong with Nigeria and its citizenry. Its fair enough to say there are other ethnic groups in the core igbo states, but when you tell them igbos are also indigenous in other states they are quick to term you a land grabber!!l I am personally working on a program where I will tour all this communities and hear straight from the source and will post the video evidence here for all to see...I am sick and tired of all this shit!!
Tova raba!!
Only ignorant people will think or conclude that Igbo land ends in the south-east. Every place or nation will always have ignorant and enlighetened minds.
Yoruba land does not end in the south-west, Hausa land does not end in the North-west.
There are ethnic minorities in core hausa states, there are ethnic minorities in core yoruba states, so why wont there be in core igbo states?

One thing we must know and accept is that tribal boundaries are not recognized by the constitution of our country, neither of the 3 tiers of govt recognise tribal boundaries. So, there is really nothing like Igbo land, Hausa land, Yoruba land or Ijaw land in our constitution. States were not strictly created based on tribes.

People of different states, local governments and communities are free to choose their identities, associations and alliances. Nobody has the right to argue for another on where they should belong.

Igala people can wake up tomorrow and decide that they want to join yoruba nation and identify as yorubas. As long as the yorubas accept them, every other person can go to hell. But we igalas cannot just wake up and say we want to be part of Enugu state, the constitution and federal govt must grant us that. This is the way it is.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 11:28am On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
Igbo as a large tribe is a recent construct. It's a colonial construct.
Igbo clans saw themselves as distinct entities before the arrival of the colonials.
So don't try to confuse the Igbo scenario with those of Yorubas who had an Oyo empire and Oduduwa myth to unite them all.

Igbo nation didn't interact with Igalas, instead distinct Igbo clans who were not larger than Igala interacted with Igalas. And this interaction was unknown by the rest of us in the hinterland until modern era. So don't make it seem like Igalas were up against the entire south East. Igalas were only up against Nsukka and Aguleri part of Igbo land, who were not bigger in population than Igalas.
As a matter of fact, it was Igalas who were the aggressors who sought to colonize those distinct Igbo clans.

The only marker of Igbo identity is Igbo language. And Maybe our four market days, Afiajioku/Ihejioku/ Ifejioku, reverence to Ani/Ala/Ali/Ana deity, reverence for Kola nut.
Once you have those markers, you are definitely Igbo.

Yorubas had an aggressive empire that went on colonizing their neighbors, so they know that not all that speak their language are Yorubas. Ndiigbo never had such empires.
Instead we were pushed from the west by expanding Bini empire, North by the Igalas and Idomas.

And lastly. No Igbo cares about Igala or any non Igbo speaking clan origins. The Yorubas don't drag Igalas because they know you are not part of their odua group myth story, neither were you part of their Oyo empire or other independent Yoruba kingdoms that challenged Oyo. The Yoruba commonwealth is well defined. And Igala is not part of it.

There are many non Igbo speaking towns in Edo, Rivers and Delta today with Igbo ancestry, but you don't see Ndiigbo talk about them. Because they are not Igbo speaking,and it's as simple as that.
An empire is not and can never be the only reason why a neighbouring tribe may adopt the language of her neighbours, far from it!
I am a student of history, so i have studied many ethnic groups in Nigeria and all over the world and i have seen cases where neighbouring tribes pick up each other's language without an empire or kingdom being involved. So, saying because igbo land never had an empire is a reason why anybody who speaks igbo today must be igbo is very very wrong. Ethnicity to a large extent today should be based on choice.
Germans, Austrians and majority of Swiss people speak German, but they choose to maintain different ethnic identities. The Portuguese and Spanish are practically the same people who speak a similar language and have same origin and cultures but they chose to identify differently, even the Catalonians and Galicians who are of Spanish nationality reject being labelled ethnically spanish.

There are Igala indigenes in Benue and many of these igalas speak idoma too, at the peripheral areas they speak each others language.
I have a friend who is Esan by tribe from Edo state but her people speak Ika as their mother's tongue. I made inquiries about that town and i found out that these Esan people were influenced by their Ika neighbours (Agbor) and their Esan language has now been replaced by Ika and only the elders still speak Esan, the younger ones have switched to Ika but the people's culture remain primarily Esan, can we now say that these people are Ikas or Igbos?
Most Plateau and Borno state people speak Hausa fluently and some of them are even dropping their languages for Hausa, but neither Hausas nor fulanis ever conquered Plateau or Borno people.
Yorubas never conquered or ruled Nupes, Baribas, Ogori magongo or Akoko edo at any point in time in history but many of these people speak yoruba in their homelands even more than their own native languages.
Calabar people never had an empire but many of their neighbours to the north in cross river still understand Efik. There are many more instances of these in Nigeria and the world over. Larger or more influential languages will always influence or even displace the smaller ones with or without the presence of an empire. Cultures too can also be shared.

Talking about market days (similar culture), Igalas and Idomas share the same market days with igbos, i guess this has made us igbos. Baseless.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 10:23am On Nov 05, 2016
bigfrancis21:
I guess so. That was a funny way to describe upland Igalas. They indeed look different from southern Igalas.

The southern ones are those who look more like Igbos and they tend to be Christians more. Just like the Idomas who are mostly Christians and Catholics like their Igbos neighbours.
Yes u are right. Let's just agree that Igbos, Idomas and Igalas are very much related but i think this relationship is mostly by those of us at the peripheral areas e.g Southern Igalas/Nsukka and Northern anambra, Idomas/Ebonyi.
Political boundaries really need to be redefined in Nigeria. Its obvious that we Igalas and idomas have more in common with the south (especially igbos) than Arewa.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 10:13am On Nov 05, 2016
bigfrancis21:
You see the issue with many online articles is that they do not tell the story in full most times or they fail to portray the actual situation on ground. Many give hasty news also. For example, the olumbanasaa villages in Anambra north, an isolated island on the side of the anambra river that falls in Anambra state. Many articles you find online describe them as 'the 7 Igala speaking villages of Anambra state', and from reading the articles one would think that they speak only Igala however in reality all of these people speak Igbo fluently and many bear Igbo names as well. However, these factual details are left out in many articles online.

Coming to the Ugbodus/Ilukwobis of Delta state. Many articles would call them the olukwumi-speaking people of Delta state. Again, the impression most people would have is that they speak 'mostly' or 'only' Olukwumi or Olukwumi is their native language. But the actual situation on ground is that everyone, I mean everyone, speaks Igbo as first language from children to adults. Majority bear Igbo names except for recent efforts by a few to adopt Olukwumi names. Then some speak Ilukwobi, who are mostly the adults. In addition, the Ilukwobi they speak has heavy Igbo influence, pronunciation and words adapted into it. The street language in Ugbodu is Igbo. Infact in Ugbodu no Ugbodu person will speak Olukwumi to another person on the street except he/she knows that the other person can speak/understand it because not everyone speaks it but instead Igbo because everybody speaks it in Ugbodu.

Coming back to the Iggas and Ogurugus. These people are not any more different from the Ilukwobis/Olukwumis of Delta state. Igbo is their native language, as evidenced in their native names. Igala is another language many learn to speak while growing up. That's the situation on ground.
Seriously i wonder why u guys love to claim everything to be igbo. This is why many minority tribes call u guys land grabbers.
Igbo is a large tribe and as such would have influenced their neighbouring minority tribes. Almost every one in Borno and Yobe states speak hausa as a 2nd language, due to hausa influence but hausas will not claim these places as hausa land.
Most Nupe and Bariba people in Kwara and Niger speak yoruba fluently (especially at the boundary areas) as an additional language, Ogori magongo people of Kogi answer mostly yoruba names and speak yoruba as an additional language but yorubas never claim them as part of yoruba land.

If most minority tribes around igbos adopt igbo as a second language, i think u guys should see it as a plus and an increasing territorial influence of your language and try to work out some sort of social integration with these tribes. This will not work by claiming these people who speak your language as Igbos. It will only lead to arguments.
Hausas never claim other northern minority groups as hausas, all they did was to find a general name AREWA which helped to define all northernerns.
That is what u igbos should do instead of looking for ways to claim or argue with your neighbouring minority tribes on tribal areas. Things like this will only make your minority neighbouring tribes dread and resent u the more.

I have seen igbos arguing with Edos here over Igbanke, i have seen u guys arguing here with ijaws over Opobo and Bonny, u guys arguing over Benue igbos, arguing over Anioma, Ikwerre and even Akwa Ibom and Cross river. This is just terrible.
How many times have u guys seen yorubas arguing with Nupes, Egbirras, Baribas, Edos, Ogoris e.t.c over tribal boundaries? We igalas even speak a yoruboid language which many yorubas can understand to an extent, but they have never claimed us.
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 9:52am On Nov 05, 2016
Igboid:
Ette is not an Igala town. It was never an Igala town and won't be in the future. The Igalas and Idomas invades Ette in the old, by the Idomas retain the majority their now, and they still have few Igbos there.

The Idomas there being the majority are eager to assimilate into the Igbo culture. Even if a referendum is held today to determine where Ette will be, the Idomas will team up with few Igbos there and ensure Ette remains part of Igboland. cool
U are not idoma and i dont think u have the right to speak on behalf of idomas.
Idomas and Igalas are brothers, the issue would be very well settled by Middlebelt elders when the need arises, just that people dont see this as a big issue now.
There are idoma speakers in Kogi as well as Igala speakers in Benue due to boundary misadjustments. The igbo migrants in Ette town are just hiding under Idoma umbrella to make it look like the town does not want to join Kogi.
Igalas and idomas are used to each other, we were together in old Benue state for decades b4 Kogi creation.

The traditional leaders and titles of Ette town are all Igalas and in Igala, that shows who actually owns the towns
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 6:02pm On Nov 04, 2016
bigfrancis21:
The presence of Nsukka chiefs there does not confirm Igala origins. The presence of notable individuals or kings from other areas during a kingly coronation is mostly a friendly gesture. For example, the recent coronation of the Oba of Benin saw the presence of many dignitaries from Nigeria. The Nsukka chiefs attending the coronation of Attah Igala is not any different. Agreed a few Igalas, who seemed to have a strong penchant for Igboland, settled in Nsukka and were absorbed. The Nsukkas will tell you they are of Nshi/Nchi/Ichi/Ishi origin. Many of them you see bearing surnames/names such as Onye Ichi/Onye Ishi (Nri person). Note that the pronunciation (with falling intonation) is different from Onye Ishi in Igbo (up rising intonation) that means 'chief'/'leader'/'oga'.

Moreover, there are no Ezes in Nsukka. Most Nsukka communities have Onyishis (oldest male leaders, remember here that the pronunciation is the uprising intonation) instead.
One of the Nsukka chiefs there said that he is so proud of the origin of his people (igala) and he will go back to Nsulka to tell his people about it.
I have met ppl from nsukka who accept igala origins
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 5:52pm On Nov 04, 2016
IdisuleOurOwn:
Please who are the Southern Igalas? Because I am an igala from Ofu LGA.
Ofu is northern igala. Ibaji, olamaboro, igalamela areas are the southern igalas
CultureRe: Igbo Speaking Communities In Kogi State by ianSweet(f): 5:33pm On Nov 04, 2016
bigfrancis21:
Anyway, lots of migrations occurred in the past. People often ventured out to settle in new areas. The Idomas may have migrated to Ette, so also did the Igalas too...it then becomes a question of who got there first. However, the Idomas have ownership rights to Ette just as the Igbos and Igalas in Ette. I learned that there are 5 communities within Ette. Do you know their names?

By the foregoing, the Igalas may not have much rights to drag the entire Ette into Kogi state being that they are not the majority in Ette. They should understand that Ette has become a trilingual area and thus no one tribe can claim ownership to Ette. The Idomas and Igbos in Ette prefer being in Enugu state, the Igalas are dragging to include it in Kogi out of political reasons, being that some pro-Igala Ette natives joined the army, police or other security agencies or the civil service, under the false claims that they were natives of Kogi State. Some of the people who falsely entered the federal and state civil services of the neighbouring states have now retired and have found out that they can not get political appointments from Kogi State, knowing that they are not from there. They now resorted to engineering problems, claiming that Ette is in Kogi State.
I think u are very correct

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