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OmoIgala:
Yes, we are saying the same thing. All Southern Igala communities at border areas are Igala no doubt. It is some communities in Northern Igbo that are either not igbo, or not Fully Igbo.
Migration for farming, business etc is another issue entirely.

Ok u are correct.

OmoIgala:
Please, I am just wondering if Akechi for Hausa and Iyaji for Yorubas can be regarded as derogatory?

Well, i did not grow up in our homeland, so am not fluent in igala, but i think these names might be derogatory but that was the best way our people could adress yorubas and hausas.

kogirodent:
Igbos are not far off from Igalas bro. Some of the folks i know as Igalas i will have to admit are not full or real Igalas. We dn't need to look at them twice to know dat dey hail from the Igbo border areas. De only issue is that there are of mixed ancestry so u can't say which tribe dey really are. E.g Ibaji and Odolu Igalas.

So, who are the full igalas? The islamized ones with tiger stripped tribal marks? Pathetic. I guess those of u mixed with hausa and yorubas are the real igalas

OmoIgala:
Exactly.
Igga, Ojjor, Ogurugu, Adani are all Original Igala towns that have now been labelled "Igbo" because of silly colonial mistakes.

Exactly. Colonial and political classifications to a large extent have defined Nigerian ethnicities to what they are today.

bigfrancis21:
Well, the Igalas sought to conquer Nsukka land by taking advantage of the lack of a centralized kingship system in Igbo land (Igbo enwe eze). The extent of conquest by the Atta of Igala was the installation of an 'attama' to mediate between Nsukka gods and the people. However the Nsukka people strongly resisted the Igala influence. The Aku people of Nsukka defeated the Igalas at lake Omeluigala. A few Igalas settled in Nsukka land afterwards and were absorbed into the Igbo population. However, the Nsukkas still maintain Nri (natively called Nchi/Nshi) origin.

In my first year in the university I had an Igala roommate. The guy seemed to have something against Igbos defeating Igalas in the past and even one time told me that very soon the Igalas will conquer Nsukka land again.

My father was present during the coronation of this current Attah of Igala, he was also there this year during the anniversary. He said u need to see the array of Nsukka kings and elders who are always present in Idah confirming their igala origins and paying allegiance. I even watched it on NTA and i saw many Ezes from Nsukka at the occasion.

Posh3:
Igga speaks Igbo.... And also answers Igbo names.. I have plenty of them as neighbors here in Karmo, Abuja.

They are fluently billingual, i have also met people from that axis who speak igala.

bigfrancis21:
Igga and Ogurugu are mostly Igbo speaking, as confirmed by many, and speak Igbo as first language. Igala is an addition, just as many Nigerians speak Pidgin English in addition to their native languages.

https://www.nairaland.com/1256296/why-tussle-over-anambra-oil

In this link, a king from that axis even confimrmed that his people are igala speakers (meaning first language speakers). So i really dont get u guys at all.
These people share boundaries with igala and igbo speaking communities. Some speak more of igala while some speak more of igbo, i think it depends on the families involved. But for their king to openly declare his people as igala speaking, we can now b convinced of their true ethnicity.

petsam11:
Oh Lord! Please, I beg of you anything that will bring all Igbo's from outside the south east (the south south and the North central/middle belt) together as one is what I pray for! #IgboNileBuOtu

Yoruba speakers are also in the middlebelt and south-south. I think people can unite irrespective of geo-political zonning if they really wish to.

Joavid:
good someone understands.

If people from all states bordering Kogi come and settle in Kogi, then Kogi will be the state with highest minority groups.

Not true. Can it ever beat a state like Taraba with about 70 distinct ethnic groups?

OmoIgala:
Exactly.
Igga, Ojjor, Ogurugu, Adani are all Original Igala towns that have now been labelled "Igbo" because of silly colonial mistakes.

How do u know it is their native language? They must be fluently billingual. Billinguals at tribal boundary areas usually have the choice to claim whatever ethnicities they wish. I am yet to see any person from southern igala who claims igbo ethnicity even if his or her community is fluent in igbo.

bigfrancis21:
Aren't the Idomas in the majority in Ette, followed by Igala? Then Igbo? It seems to me that the Igalas are trying to lay ownership to Ette town as they seem to be doing to other places of recent.

The idomas migrated there. Study idoma history, they left Kwararafa some few centuries ago and came to Igalas and settled close to us, the Tiv migrations further drove them even into most of our lands (according to historians).
So, any community u find where igalas and idomas live closely or together, u just know the idomas came there..

Ette does not share land boundary with any idoma community nor Benue state, but share with igala communities, thats how u know.

bigfrancis21:
The images I uploaded on the first page says otherwise. From the list you can see various communities in Kogi state with Igbo names such as Umuoye, Umuochina etc. One of the prominent Igbo-speaking communities in Kogi is the Eke Avurugo community where Igbo is spoken as first language and Igala as second language.

In addition to many Igalas speaking Igbo as second language, would it not follow that these/some Igalas in southern Igala land are of Igbo origin and not due to linguistic proximity? The one or two Igala-speaking villages in Igboland are readily assumed to be Igala of origin, however the Igbo-speaking Igalas are not related to Igbo in anyway?? Ibaji Igala, as you probably know, is heavily influenced by the Igbo language. However, it would not be satisfactory enough to assume that the dialect was just influenced by Igbo language without acknowledging some possible Igbo migration in the area, just as some Igalas migrated southwards towards Igboland, in substantial numbers to influence the Ibaji dialect? Even the 'core' Igalas of Idah, Dekina, Ofu etc. often regard Ibaji Igalas as 'omo Igbo' and don't see them as 'core' Igalas.

I never disputed the fact that there are igala communities of Igbo origin in Kogi state, what i said is that the people of those communities now identify as igala ethnically.
Not just Ibaji or Olamaboro communities.
Onicha-Igo is a town in Ofu LGA and the name appears Igbo, there r towns in northern igala land that have igbo names and origins. So it's not just about the names.

But the case of igalas in the SE and SS is different because many of them still identify as Igala ethnically despite the strong igbo political and cultural influence on them.

It's normal, northern igalas have derogatory names for southern igalas and we also have for them too, even the northern igalas themselves have derogatory names for each other.

saintandsinnerz:
You're ill-mannered, discourteous and loutish! You first called a man who is old enough to be your grand father stupid, but has the effrontery to say I insulted you. You're just sounding like a broken record. Stop embarrassing yourself and concentrate what you know how to do best - that's being a pest. I repeat, your life circumstances or that of any of your family member can never be equated with an average igbo man in all ramifications. Deal with it

Ok, God bless Ojukwu for making igbos lose Port harcourt (the largest and most influential city in the SS/SE). Are u happy?

EternalTruths:
Say no to rape.

Igbos don't want to sex Nigeria again


It is adultery


Sex is not by force

LoL, U guys are sick

bigfrancis21:
From my understanding, they bear Igbo native names, speak Igbo as native language, and also Igala as an addition. Just as we speak Pidgin in addition to English and our native languages.

Or would it make sense for them to bear Igbo names and speak Igala as first language? Remember that our african names have meanings and are given from the language one speaks as first language. Meaning that the people's first language is probably Igbo and Ibaji Igala is a second language.

No pls, they speak Igala as a first language and igbo as a second language. Although it varies among some individuals. Some speak igbo more. Some answer igala names, some answer igbo names. I have been to these places. I am from southern igala.

Igboid:
Ette is not Igalla. It's a mix of Idoma- Igbo - Igalla in that order.

There are some communities like Igga in Enugu that trace their ancestry to Igalla though.

Ette is an Igala town with Idoma and Igbo migrants. The kingship titles and traditional rulers are in Igala.

Igga and i think Ogurugu towns in Enugu are of Igala origin, they are both billingual in igala and igbo, but because they are in Enugu, they seem to identify as Igbo, am not really sure.

How

@BigFrancis, There are no indigenous ethnic igbos in Kogi.
Many Igalas from southern igala speak Igbos as a second language and may share Igbo origins, but today, we are all Igalas by ethnicity.
There are also igala speakers in Enugu and Anambra and Igbo speakers with Igala origin in these states.

Sealeddeal:
What has Igbo cultural groups like Ohaneze ndiigbo done to bring recognition to those igbos in Benue,kogi,Akwaibom,and Cross river?
That's why I am supporting IPOB since they seems to be the only Igbo group giving recognition to igbos outside of SE.

OMAR12:
I beg to quote u in response to others, who know the truth BT just wanted to turn this tread into a war zone. now no ethnicity no matter how meek, humble, kind, it people are would want to share a country with a people and government that openly and also assisted in the killing on 30,000 of it kins men and women under the space of 48 hours. it on record that 30,000 igbos were killed into north. even the Fulani, Hausa, Yoruba, would still be at war till today. cos if they didn't go to war the killing would have continued. the Igbo ethnicity where no coward.
toe to toe we went with Nigeria in the battlefield stats shows that the biafrans were winning the war. until the blockade of food meant for children. the day Nigeria did that, it the day Nigeria lost it conscience, that why it will always turn a blind eye to the cry of her people. yes we lost a few millions my grandfather inclusive. BT it shows we are not pushovers. and best of it all WE ARE NO COWARD. If Gowon had honored the aburi accord, there would have been no need for the war.it the same aburi accord that ojukwu fought for. that the same aburi accord that Nigerian has realized that it was for the betterment of all. Thank You.

Did northernerns just wake up to start killing igbos just like that? The igbo coup on northern leaders prompted the killings.

saintandsinnerz:
Senseless comment! Igbo people suffering? So in your small mind, you think your life circumstances is better than average Igbo man? Really which tribe are you? You called him a stupid man, but he is well known, can we say that about any of your family member? Just crawl back to the dark hole you come out from. You're not needed here

You can insult me but u cant change facts or deny the truth.
This man called Ojukwu would have never started what he knew he could not finish.
If he had not started the war, your people would have had the largest population of all tribes in Nigeria.
The old Eastern region would have still been existing by now and u igbos would not have lost Port harcourt!

Igbo people would have been by far the largest tribe in Nigeria if not for this stupid man who caused about 3 million of them to be killed.
Igbo people sufferings today in Nigeria are because of this man.

Presidiotbuhari:
^^^
Ma-am/sir what u mentioned are vices that can be commited by any person regardless of tribe or ethnicity. While in the other hand ABBOKI is not a derogatory word, but rather a complimentary word used to address the people occupying the northern axis of nigeria.

Aboki is a hausa word and u guys dont have the right to use it to describe non hausas who say they do not want it.
Imagine an Igbo man calling a Kogi person abokki, is that not madness?
U people can use that name on hausas but dont use it on middlebelters! Whether it is derogatory or not, we dont care. It is not our identity.

famosh:
Stop deceiving yourself, oga. The only reason why he'll win in some middle belt states is because of his religion, & not because anyone believes in him. He personally has almost zero following in the north.

Yes i dont dispute the fact that religion contributed to it, but not for everyone.
U could see that comparing 2011 and 2015 election support for GEJ in the middlebelt, it was decreased. In Plateau state for instance, GEJ got only abt 60% of the state's vote in 2015, compared to 2011 where he got far higher. Can we say that the 40% votes Buhari got in Plateau were all from Muslims? Hell no!
Buhari won in Benue state in 2015, a middlebelt state with over 95% christians. U can see 4urself.

9jatatafo:
who are the gwaris and in which states can we find them?

Gbagyis (Called Gwari by hausas) are the major ethnic group in Abuja (FCT).
They are the 2nd largest tribe in Niger state and they occupy Niger east senatorial district.
They are also found in about 3 LGAs in Nasarawa state (western part).
They are arguably the 2nd largest tribe in Kaduna state (southern kaduna), found in about 4 LGAs.
I also heard that they are in one LGA in Kogi state.

Gbagyi people in Kaduna state are overwhemingly christians, in FCT and Nasarawa, they are predominantly christians with significant muslim minority while in Niger state, they are like equally divided btw muslims and christians.

VomeSchakleton:
The second largest group in chad constitutes christians who are not up to 40 percent. Stop grouping them with animists and atheists. Again between muslims and christians, its not even close!

Why are you choosing to be foolish? Honestly i face palmed myself when i read this. Your thoughts reek of the most unadulterated form of stupidity! I told you a lot of muslim zazzagawas, people i know voted for namadi. And youre saying of course its because they christians! Seriously, are you re.tarded? Im being serious here! Next thing youll tell me christians outnumber muslims in zaria. Bare paigon!

The christians and animists are usually classified together because they are from one region and same tribes in the south than the north which is muslim populated.

Some igbos voted Buhari, so why will i ever doubt a hausa man voting GEJ? All i ever said and still say is that majority of GEJ voters in Zaria or anywhere in Kaduna are christians.
Not all of us are extremists pls.

namuguibe:
Now Southerners speak different languages. All people in the north speak Hausa.

I am from Kogi and hausa is as strange as Chinese in my state. We the Igala people call Hausa people AKECHI (which means people who speak strange languages). We even tend to understand Igbo and Yoruba more. So pls what are u saying.

Presidiotbuhari:
^^^
Get this streight, anyone/people who falls under the umbrela of 19 northern states is un-adulterated ABBOKI

Yes, can we also say everyone who falls under the 17 southern states is a ritualist, militant and product of baby factory, whether yoruba, igbo, ijaw, Calabar or Edo?

VomeSchakleton:
Google would tell yoy that 53 percent of chadians are muslims, i implore you to use the tools you recommend. Were not talking about the largest ethnicity! Stop calling them tribes, i dont know about them but i feel insulted when a person calls hausa a tribe so please adjust your diction.

Stop it okay? If i mention an isolated incidence of zazzagawas voting because of namadi a sane person would know im obviousky talking about the muslims. I emphasize sane!

Very good. For google to tell u dat 53% of Chadians are muslims, this should tell u dat the population is almost equal, the northern chadians r mostly muslims while the southern christians and animists make up the remainder. So why did u tell me that i was not close in the beginning??

Of course Zazagawas will vote Namadi but a large portion of them being Zazagawa christians.
Most southern kaduna indigene muslims always vote Buhari afterall and that did not make them Zaria people.

VomeSchakleton:
Small fry a muslim is a muslim but thats besides the point. And yes, kogi needs the north more than the north needs it. Im sad that the souths propaganda is planting the wrong messages in your heads, i miss the old days when the north is the north and we could execute coups together and install gowon as leader regardless of his religion but because hes a northerner. Thats the true spirit of the great white north.

Kogi needs the north my foot.
I really dont blame core northerners. Our middlebelt leaders and elders have sold our identity.
True spirit of the great white north my foot. Every action of a united north is always centred on satisfying hausa-fulani expansionism. We are wiser now. Things will soon change.

kogirodent:
I am proud of you. Your knowledge of The north is perfect! What tribe in Kogi are you?

Am Igala but i grew up in Kaduna/Jos

malton:
Sister, you're too informed to engage that guy. All he knows how to is kick and insult. He hasn't made any noteworthy point since.

U are so correct broda. I have been wasting my facts on him since. He just knows so little to debate intelligently. I think i will decline him

VomeSchakleton:
You dont know what you are saying, stop it. Chad isnt even close woman! You need to read one or two things small fry! Again eritrea has a slightly larger more united population, its that simple. Im glad you read up and realised the factor of ethnicity like i told you to.

Yes, but you forget to mention Namadi was able to buy him a lot of votes in northern kaduna as well. A lot of people from zaria voted for gej because of namadi! Id say know your demographics but frankly your problems are far more than just demographics. Your compass is just pointing the wrong direction on most issues.

LoL, am not even close? Who does not know that the Sara people are by far the largest tribe in Chad? And they are dominantly christians/animists? Pls, google is ur friend.
The Sara people were the ones producing presidents in Chad from the beginning (as the largest tribe) until the muslims united and today control the country.

Zaria voted for Namadi? How many votes? Are all the people in Zaria muslims? Tell that to people who have never been there b4.

DaPuncline:
So you expected me to clap for you after referring to my tribe as the weakest link ?
And about SS/SE solidarity: I believe you are aware how the urhobos, itsekiris, isoko dissociated themselves from biafra when IPOB protest was at its peak, mind you igbos don't recognize the edos as part of SS since they are being led by an APC governor.

The issue of Biafra is different. There r many igbo people who have never supported Biafra too, there r also some SS people who support Biafra.
Igbos have no right to determine who is SS or not, i think they only reject Edo inclusion into Biafra agitation because thry think Edo has more in common with the yorubas.
Imo is led by APC afterall.