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Lalaboi, is this why you asked us not to celebrate too early? Maybe you're the one who made this bet at season start.

chic2pimp:
You felt it was all over whilst I was quite confident it could be overturned. Had the wasteman official allowed a perfectly good goal to stand, you probably would have been sweating by the bucketload as I type.

Story for the Gods. No way City will score 3 unreplied.

lalaboi:
Roma 2-0 up. .

If they go through. . . Madrid don win back to back to back be that

Don't write off Heynckes. He will not disgrace Bayern like Fraudiola.

chic2pimp:
The Ref the Linesman same difference really. Such a shame an intriguing contest was ruined by an inept Official.

Intriguing for your mind abi? This contest has been over since the first leg when the fraud disgraced his team in UCL once again.

Come on Roma! We need double party on Barca thread tonight.

lalaboi, is it safe to celebrate now?

chic2pimp:
This Ref is clearly Anti Pep. City should be 2 goals up now

Nothing to do with ref. The linesman called it.

Salah goal! Cry me a river!

Salah has not been pressing like he supposed to this game

Nihilstjnr:
But the ball was last controlled by Karius so really Sane was on

Oh well, their bad luck.

CapitalCee:
City have a goal. Unfairly disallowed sha

Roland17:
Wrong call ref.. Sane was onside and was not impeding any play there.

2 players must be behind the attacker - usually goalkeeper+defender but because Karius rushed out, Sane was offside as only 1 player was behind him.

Abramovics steel company is in line to be hit by sanctions. If they hit Deripraskas aluminium company, then Roman is a sure target. His company took a £0.5bln hit when Deripraska sanctions were announced. Roman been taking a lot of Ls recently with Steel prices collapsing and Oil rose as soon as he sold his oil assets and bought into steel.

As for Forbes list sha, I believe Roman is richer than where Forbes places him. How can someone lose several billion dollars to scam and still be worth roughly the same

According to Putin, Abramovich has been cheated by Igor Kolomoyskyi. Putin claimed in 2014 that Kolomoyskyi had reneged on a contract with Abramovich, saying "He [Kolomoyskyi] even managed to cheat our oligarch Roman Abramovich two or three years ago. Scammed him, as our intellectuals like to say. They signed some deal, Abramovich transferred several billion dollars, while this guy never delivered and pocketed the money. When I asked him [Abramovich]: 'Why did you do it?' he said: 'I never thought this was possible.'"

Bundesliga champions Bayern Munich and Ligue 1 leaders PSG have both asked Chelsea to keep them informed if 22-year-old winger Kenedy becomes available for transfer. The Brazilian is currently on loan at Newcastle. (Sky Sports)


Apart from some concerning attitude problems, I've always maintained that Kenedy is more than good enough for the LWB role. A lot of times we go looking for solutions that are already in our youth team eg Ake etc.

raumdeuter:
Once you bring a 40M (Your highest spending on a midfielder) into a team when his direct replacement is a guy with 1year left on his deal that hasnt been renewed that is basically your replacement

If at your job as an accountant, they bring a guy in and put him on 6 figure to be your understudy, That means your days are numbered,
Matic simply knew he was no longer wanted no new contract, expensive understudy, Mourinho offered him a 4yrs with assured starting shirt

It was only going to end one way

That is correct but has nothing to do with the fact that Conte saw Baka as an understudy. Conte is happy to run down Matic contract cos he does not think about finances, only football. These guys did not finish school so you can't expect them to think like we do. What the board did not do is warn Conte to look for 2 midfielders. Matic situation was sprung on him last minute as he was returning from holiday because the board had been in contact negotiations with Matic until June before negotiations went bust.

Conte basically came back from holiday and was told - You now need 2 midfielders and BTW, we have started enquiring about Drinkwater as proviso and also cos we need to meet homegrown quota as RLC, Ake and Chalobah are leaving.

That's why Conte has been treating Drinkwater unfairly. Even with the pile of wânk Bakayoko has been serving us, Bakayoko still makes the bench while Drinkwater is not even in matchday squad. In other words, Bakayoko is Contes man but Drinkwater is not. It's the same treatment he gave Batsman cos Batsman is an Emenalo signing whilst Conte was with Italy to which he had little or no input. These are insights you will not notice as an outsider unless you follow a club daily.

raumdeuter:
It does not make a difference if they are ex footballers or not. Many clubs dont even have ex footballers in any role

Real Madrid Florentino Perez is the President He is a civil Engineer and a politician. No Sporting director. So all decisions are between Perez and Zidane

Man Utd Glazer businessmen, Ed Woodward accountant. Mourinho coach. No Sorting director, So all decisions of the board are taken by non footballers

Now that Emenalo is out of the quartet Its now Roman, marina and Conte, Which of them has football knowledge you are alluding to Emenalo when he was there to make him shoulder all the blame

Woodward defers to Mourinho technical knowledge and recommendations except where there is budgetary constraint.

Emenalo was that technical knowledge especially in times where the board had no respect for the manager - particularly RDM and Benitez time when he was handed a warchest and phucked it up by not balancing the team.

As the managers became stronger and more prestigious (Mourinho and Conte), transfers became more of a negotiation process. Mourinho and Contes problem with the board was budgetary (not enough funds for their targets), and Emenalo has little to do with their problems.

As for Perez, he was the original Emenalo - a fool who buy 100 Galacticos and leave the team without midfield, selling Makelele without replacement and turning a team of superstar attackers into an unbalanced pile of wánk. Left to Perez, you would never see a player like Casemiro in Madrid cos he just does not look at those sort of players. Him and Emenalo share a special brand of stüpidity. He should thank God Zidane has been able to work around him and give the team what it needs here and there despite his unhelpful interferences.


If Zidane’s support for Casemiro surprised, it should not have done. Casemiro may not be one of the president’s men but luckily for him the president does not pick the team. Not right now, at least. Among the most important regrets that Benítez will have from his time in charge of Real Madrid is listening to those “suggestions”, leaving out the man who provided him with the thing he treasures most of all: balance. It was not a regret that Zidane wished to repeat. And he had the authority and prestige to pick his own team.

raumdeuter:
All these are conjectures and working towards the answer

Once you buy Bakayoko for 40M which I presume to start, that effectively takes away Matics minute. And Matic sought to move to a place he is guaranteed minutes not where he will be rotating with Bakayoko and Fabregas

Just like Matics arrival meant the death of Herrera as a starter

This is why you should keep quiet when fans are discussing their own team cos you can only ever scratch the surface being an outsider cos you don't follow the team. Conte said and I quote - I brought in Bakayoko to sit behind Matic and learn from him.

Matic was Conte first choice, Bakayoko was substitute. The bad mood Conte has been in all season started with Matic sale which put him on warpath.

raumdeuter:
Ibime shey na tre say na the board go sign everyone of the players since summer

Morata Bakayoko Palmieri Barkley Zapacosta Drinkwater Cabalero Rudiger and Conte had no input

Full speech:

“From the summer, the club decides every single player that comes here,” Conte said. “Sometimes I can have an impact on this, sometimes you can’t have an impact. My first task is to do my job, to be a coach, to try to improve my players. For sure, I don’t have a big impact on the transfer market.”

The ones he had an impact on are the ones I mentioned - Bakayoko, Zappacosta and Morata as 2nd choice . . . .

The ones he had zero impact and dislikes intensely are Barkley, Drinkwater.

Rudiger and Giroud were signed by the club to fill a need but he didn't recommend them specifically by name.

Emerson may be his recommendation as a 3rd or 4th choice. I am still fact-finding on that one.

And of course for outgoings, you have Matic which he vehemently opposed.

Greatihex:
i find it difficult to believe that conte will tell the club to go and get him zappacosta as his improvement for moses.
Zappa looks to me like a 4th choice after the man done tire with the board to get any of his first three choices. Maybe, he settled for zappa just in case moses gets injured.

He may have settled for Zappacosta as 2nd choice behind Moses, yes. It's partly his fault for aiming too high for Kyle Walker, then after Oxlade rejected Chelsea, Zappa came to the fore. He could have saved all this trouble by opting for Toljan to start with. Same for Andy Robertson on the left side instead of Sandro.

Nihilstjnr:
I did not miss a thing. The guy who wrote the article is Jake Cohen. He's a sports lawyer that works for a law firm has represented Chelsea on several transfer deals.

While you usually point to daily mail articles to blame Emenalo(That RDM and Wanyama yarns for example), an insider from a seat at the table is telling you point blank that Marina has been running things and buying players since 2010, to the point where she was running Vittesse from London....and all before she even joined the board.

Nonsense . . . . the lawyer is only in negotiation to dot is and cross ts and will do that with Marina and other legal people and agents based on Emenalo and the managers recommendations. He has told you ho-ha that Emenalo makes the technical decision. No be today you go try to hide Emenalo under the technical exigencies of contract negotiation. Marina would not even step to that negotiation table if Emenalo and/or Roman have not already recommended it. This is a case of Abacha sent Sergeant Rogers to shoot Kudirat and you are busy blaming Sergeant Rogers instead of Abacha.

Nihilstjnr:
Emenalo does not have access to Chelsea bank account. How will he know how much Chelsea have to spend on a player unless he was told by the person who holds the purse strings? That's if such a conversation happened sef.

You mean a Technical Director does not know what the budget is coming to a transfer window? You might as well paint him as a single-cell organism to absolve him then. Before any transfer window, he knows the parameters he has to work under just like any Sporting Director. If he chose to spend £150m on wingers and leave Mikel and Ramires to man the midfield, that's HIS decision. His parameter was £150m, but he does not know football and thought 6 wingers will win you Prem.

Nihilstjnr:
So I don't know what Ray Wilkins has to do with who signs players. I also can't really gain any meaningful insight from the snippet you posted. Did he say Emenalo is the one that signs players in the full quote?

Ray Wilkins has told you ho-ha that Ancelotti wanted to sign his players but Emenalo was forcing his choices on him. He doesn't need to spell it out for you. He has non-disclosure agreement signed as part of his payoff. I actually listened to the interview live on Talksport. It was on a Monday night as I was driving to football round about when Emenalo resigned. Ray Wilkins said he has beef with Emenalo and immediately followed it up when asked why by saying that the manager should make the signings not other people - clearly referring to Emenalo.

Emenalo wasn't even TD in Ray Wilkins time, he was Head Scout but had the ear of Roman and had already taken over in everything but name from Frank Arnesen. I peeped this since 2010 when Emenalo recommended Ramires to Roman.

This is how you would miss rapture by burying head in sand.

raumdeuter:
Now that Emenalo is out of the quartet Its now Roman, marina and Conte, Which of them has football knowledge you are alluding to Emenalo when he was there to make him shoulder all the blame

Head Scout is acting up into Emenalos role.

Nihilstjnr:
Actually No. I know exactly what I meant. Check the dates below. The second article was actually written in 2013 about moves she'd been making before she even got appointed to the board.

She has been acting on Roman's behalf in transfer negotiations since 2010.

In negotiations, not in picking targets.

You missed the most obvious part of what you are trying to use to heap blame on Marina and absolve Emenalo:

https://i65.tinypic.com/3d2iq.jpg

Repeat after me.

Who handles the football needs of the club at the highest level?

Repeat again.

Is it Marina that told Emenalo that Roman has £150m to spend on wingers in 2012 but cannot afford £10m for Wanyama?

If Marina tells Emenalo that only £150m is available, Emenalo is supposed to use his football sense and assign some to where its needed, even if its just £10m or £20m. Emenalo hiding behind obfuscations since 1912.


If you did not know who made football calls back then, why not actually hear from a Chelsea coach, Ray Wilkins who told you exactly what it was with Emenalo. No be dem say, dem say. This is no2 member of coaching team telling you exactly what it was:

And Wilkins has revealed he never got on with the former Nigeria international before going on to suggest Emenalo’s role became idle with Chelsea going after the world’s best players.

“Unfortunately Michael and I didn’t see eye-to-eye,” Wilkins told BBC 5 Live.

“The most important thing at a club like Chelsea is when you’re getting players in, it’s what the coach wants. It’s not what anybody else wants.


Did you see him blaming Marina or the tooth fairy? He knows exactly who was causing him and Ancelotti problems. Same way RDM, Benitez, Jose all fell out with Emenalo, not the tooth fairy.

Nihilstjnr:
Let me ignore for a minute, the fact that Chelsea FC website identified Marina as being in charge of recruitment in 2012.

Rubbish! Marina became CEO in October 2014. How was Romans PA listed as being in charge recruitment in 2012. Maybe you meant recruitment for the legal and secretarial team!!!

Nihilstjnr:
If it's roman that opens up the purse strings, then how is it Emenalo's fault who get's bought? Are you saying Emenalo will just cough, and Roman will go and bring tissue? Who was the boss in the relationship?

This is why I chilled on Emenalo since 2014. My gripe with Emenalo is mostly 2012 and 2013 where there where no financial restrictions and he phucked up the basics of building a balanced team. His stewpidity with picking central midfielders is still evident today though!

raumdeuter:
Did the board agree to sign Wanyama and Emenalo was the only reason he wasn't signed?

How does it relate to Gotze Neymar Guardiola and Bayern? Okay there you go..

Guardiola wanted Neymar, The board didn't want Neymar and offered Gotze in its stead. So Matthias Sammer the Sporting director will then argue with Giardiola on the demerits of signing Neymar. Just like Emenalo argued with RdM on Wanyama(if he did)

Your board is all ex-footballers who can rightly make calls, while Chelsea board are all non-football people who deferred to Emenalos knowledge for years. If a decision back then is purely footballing, not financial, anyone who knows Chelsea knows its either Emenalo or Roman (usually with advice from Piet De Vieser) who makes football calls. Do not compare with financial call between Gotze and Neymar.

Now, the "transfer committee" itself is only 4 people - Roman, Marina, Emenalo and Conte. These are the only people Roman meets to discuss transfer progress, and of those, Emenalo is the only person apart from CEO with direct access to Roman,

Nihilstjnr:
I think you'll find that she was.

The key determinant here is "Who opens the Purse strings?"

The answer is Marina.

The next question is, how does Marina determine the value of a player she's negotiating to buy. It's not as if the player has a supermarket tag. So how does she assess the worth of a player? The only way I can think off is that she too must be involved in the scouting process...

If she's involved in scouting process, it means she has her own ideas of a footballer she wants at the club, and can duly overrule anybody else.

Otherwise Emenalo is not around, and Conte is still complaining about players. How manage?

Nobody opens the purse-strings but Roman. No PA was making signing in 2012.

Marina does not go signing whoever she wants regardless of the needs of the team and the managers wishes like Emenalo did in 2012 and 2013 where he can go signing 100 wingers while manager is asking for just one CM.

Marina signs positions and style of players that the manager wants, just the cheaper version. If Conte wants Sandro, Chelsea scouts will recommend cheaper versions of Sandro eg Emerson. If Conte wants Dzeko, Chelsea scouts will recommend Giroud. This is the role Emenalo used to fulfill, except when Emenalo had the most power, he had none of these financial restrictions and still failed to build a balanced squad.

raumdeuter:
Regardless of whether they are friends or enemies, They cannot agree on every transfer. So its silly to exonerate the coach from him.
Guardiola got to Bayern wanted Neymar, Bayern declined and gave him Gotze since thats who they can afford.

If the signing turned out well the coach will get the credit. If Gotze turned to Messi, we for dey hail Guardiola for such a wise transfer

Lets not confuse money issues with our gripes against Emenalo which is failure to provide a balanced squad within financial reason. This is why I've not been really commenting the last few years where money restrictions changed the parameters.

In 2012 summer when Chelsea spent over £100m on plethora of wingers and Emenalo argued with RDM over £10m to sign Wanyama, how does that relate to Gotze and Neymar?

Nihilstjnr:
2 Years ago, I already pointed out that Emenalo from the job description on the Chelsea website did not have the power to purchase any single player.

The best he could do was recommend, and then someone above him would decide whether to follow his recoomendation.

Where the argument ended was when the anti-Emenalo crew were unable to tell us how Marina decided whether a player was worth buying or not.

Emenalo left last year. We don't even have a technical director sef. Yet transfers are still happening and Conte is still raising hands up that it wasn't him.

Now we are hearing 'Board signing', the same board that i pointed out years ago.

According to Raumdeuter and Lordfalcao, it's all Conte signing while according to you it's all Marina. So which of you is correct?

Left cannot join with right to oppose the person in the middle. Roman PA was not making any signings in 2012.

raumdeuter:
In Man City of the 500M transfer. who are the Guardiola signings and who are the board signing.

As long as Guardiola is not beefing with the board like Conte, you should know that Guardiola has full input on everything. The board are his friends and City hired them 2 years prior to Guardiola with the sole intention of luring Guardiola.

raumdeuter:
2. Get his darling Bakayoko that he had always wanted from his Juventus days and praised. Bakayoko came mainly because of the opportunity to play with Conte
3. Get his Morata to come and play for him once more
4. Get his country men Zappacosta an opportunity to get some of Chelsea money

I agreed with all of the above, plus Emenalo collaboration on Donkeyoko.

raumdeuter:
If Emenalo had been here in January only God knows the amount of curses they would have heaped on him for Giroud and Pamilerin

Unlike you, I have always given my opinion transfer by transfer, not like you who either blame it all on Conte or absolve Emenalo or vice-versa. Even as at last summer 2016, I gave breakdown of who signed who. I would not blame Emenalo for Luiz knowing its a Roman signing, and gave Emenalo props for Batsman signing and Conte props for Kante etc.

raumdeuter:
Bakayoko was 100% COnte's idea which he sold to the board. Given that Conte has been chasing Bakayoko since Juventus when he didnt know Emenalo
No coach goes out and 100% buy players, they sell the idea to the board and the board will release money for it.

So if Guardiola says he wanted Sane and Txiki went on a flight with him to Germany to watch Sane at Schalke, So we can say the Sane bid is jointly on both Guardiola and Txiki

Maybe you have been foolish all along to be telling us Pep spent 500M and not linking it to the board who actually gave the go ahead and signed the check

Stop being clever by half

Was it also Conte that told Emenalo to write several glowing scouting reports on Donkeyoko? They both take the blame. If Emenalo believes Donkeyoko is crap, he would write the truth, not famzing Bakayoko upandan. And if he doesn't believe in Yoko, he would advise the board against selling Matic to protect the team against Yoko phuckups.

lordfalcao:
who is the board that got palmeiri barkley, giroud now that emenalo is not around?

lordfalcao:
i am never a full believer of the emenalo scapegoating because i know most of the truth lies far away from what the press says.

Luckily emenalo has left and the club is still suffering transfer issues. Soon we would know who runs the show this time.

Emenalo does not have monopoly on transfer phuckups.

This is why I take care to blame Conte for his own phuckups like Bakayoko etc, and also took time to say I rate Batsuayi even though he is an Emenalo signing.

Some of you (lordfalcao and Raumdeuter) would like to blame Conte for all the signings, while others would like to blame the board and claim no input from Conte. As for me, I take mine on a case by case basis eg Luiz & Torres I blame on Roman cos Roman wanted them, and I apportion Emenalo his blame for disastrous midfield handling, likewise Conte will get his share of stick for Donkeyoko and Zappacosta etc.

lordfalcao:
coincedently if emenalo was here, you will still say emenalo did this signing without conte's input. But alas its now the club

Was it Emenalo and Conte ghost that flew to France together to scout the Donkey? Do you know how many hours of video analysis it takes for a manager to leave his day job and fly somewhere to scout player with Technical Director? They were both there in physical form, not apparition. I can't claim it's a hologram just to absolve either of them from that disgraceful signing.

raumdeuter:
Afrodoc2 nihilistjnr and others which version are we to believe

The one above that is trying to rope Emenalo into the Bakayoko transfer or the one below that said Conte has been pursuing Bakayoko since he was at Juventus written by the same poster or Emenalo was working with Conte in Juventus to chase Bakayoko

Stop reaching. I stated then that this was a collaboration they both agreed upon, or do you not understand English. Conte must take his share of blame for Donkeyoko, as must Emenalo. Or do you think it's beans for both Technical Director and Manager to fly to France together for scouting mission. Where have you read that Conte travels to scout players within his busy schedule? Both of them take the rap on the Donkey.