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raumdeuter:
Fatso which of the players bought was not with Conte input? Name them

100% with no input was Barkley and Drinkwater.

Those with strong input are Bakayoko and Zappacosta

Morata was 2nd choice.

The rest the club bought a style of player which he identified as a need, without him having input on the actual names bought.

lordfalcao:
but bakayoko is conte and emenalo signing together?

Correct. Not every signing must be disagreement.

lordfalcao:
a decent Dm in 7 years? What of kante?

Emenalo used his own mouth last season to confirm that Kante is a Conte signing.

A40:
We know Chelsea is traditionally a club of waste but it's hard to believe Conte is that much of a sitting duck that so many of these deals keep going on without his input

A small handful of those deals went on with his input most notably Donkeyoko and Zappacosta. But he is not responsible for anything close to the full £250m that your Apari keeps shouting about.

raumdeuter:
Emenalo don leave since October, So who is the one signing these players, Who signed Giroud Barkley and Pamilerin?

Maybe na Emenalo dey hack Chelsea account from Monaco to sign players

Just stay on the sidelines shouting "Conte spent £250m" while those of us with interest in our club discuss internal matters, you hear?

When we are discussing foolish signings like Giroud, Emenalo and his fan boys should shut up because his gaffe of collaborating with Conte to sign the worst player in Chelsea history will not be forgotten:


According to The Times, Chelsea boss Antonio Conte and the technical director, Michael Emenalo, have identified Monaco star Tiemoue Bakayoko as the perfect replacement for the soon-to-be gone Oscar.

Emenalo has scouted Bakayoko on several occasions already this season and written positive reviews, while Conte accompanied him to Monaco’s Champions League clash with Tottenham Hotspur to keep an eye on him.

What common fan like me has seen in 5 games from his sitting room and given detailed breakdown which was 100% correct, Emenalo will not see on several scouting missions, no wonder he has never signed a decent DM in 7 years at Chelsea. Emenalo will not know what a good central midfielder looks like if it smacks him in his face. When we are discussing transfer gaffes this season, Emenalo fanboys should close mouth.

lordfalcao:
you are right but the transfer this season, the blame should be equally shared between the two parties. I feel conte target are either two old or above the club structure.

We cant be bidding sandro 60 while juve is looking for extra 10, for a position which isnt a top priority. Or bidding 50m for bonucci who already clocked 30 or rather looking for mildfielders who are already 30 like naingolan or vidal.

What about bidding 50m for koulibaly when napoli want more than that? Despite the fact that we dont know his real age?

For two seasons now have we bidded for any tangible winger?

The board have their own blame but conte doesnt have the eye for brighter talents on good age range.

Exactly my point, which is why sometimes doing nothing is the best option rather than putting money in Giroud and co which just reduces the money available to buy better players.

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lordfalcao:
and bat ? Who also gave him a bad report on him? My point is that these two are not problem that board caused, conte dont actually want them

I agree with you that the Technical direction to buy these types of players as replacements came from Conte, but the financial direction (swapping Dzeko for Giroud and Sandro for Emerson) comes from the board. My point is, these half-measures are of no help to anyone as the new signings have not added anything different. The board always knew Conte would be leaving by summer so why follow his Technical direction but do a half job that profits no one. Maybe the new manager in 6 months time will prefer Batsman to Giroud, no? If they know they cannot afford the exact players Conte wanted, they should just chill till summer rather than buying the Okrika version.

lordfalcao:
conte never like playing bat and kennedy. It is clear bat is not the type of backup conte wants thats why he asked for a type of target man like giroud, dxeko and co.

How many minutes has Emerson played and how many points has Giroud won?

I feel Walter Mazzari spoilt Kenedys name in Contes ear, and gave him extremely bad report from the loan spell at Watford.

raumdeuter:
Conte doesn't have a say, Emenalo is not around anymore to get the blame.

So who was buying the players

Fraudulent attempt to claim a Technical Director was not buying players will not work. All signings in the past, we have pinpointed the key movers and shakers. Feel free to go and review.

raumdeuter:
When are we going to blame Emenalo

When are you going to claim Conte spent £250m next despite Conte not having a say in most signings?

Kenedy proving at Newcastle what we said at the time. . . .that Emerson is just another needless signing from a senseless club who specialise in throwing away money by buying players where they are not needed. We already had a LWB fit for purpose in Kenedy.

Same with Giroud. What returns are to be had on the £18m we spent on a bench player for 18 months contract only? What has Giroud done that Batsman could not do until summer when Tammy Abraham becomes available. Has Giroud won us a single point? Have we got anything from that foolish signing that we could not get from Batsman, or even a youth player or even a false 9?

Make we just lick our wounds and prepare for next season jare.

Use the rest of the season to play Ethan Ampadu etc.

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Did Willian get injured to get taken off?

Nihilstjnr:
Oga you are the one that is goofing and doing stronghead. As at 1991 English football was on par with Eridivisie today

Infact as at 1991, English clubs had just been allowed back into UCL after being banned for 6 good years from Europe.

Italian football was the EPL of the time. That's what people watched locally and in Europe. In fact, Sky just did a documentary last week about how the Italian football shows of the early to mid 90s were the first TV shows to broadcast football to many people in the UK

A lot of English people IN England watched Juventus and A.C.Milan on TV before they ever got to watch an English league match.

So of course, Italian transfers were more expensive. They had the TV money!

Flip it today, and show me Italian clubs outside Juve and Milan making transfers in the same market as ordinary West Ham today.

So that excuse has fallen flat on it's face.

say you too old, I give you 36 years on this earth, and given the TV restrictions of the time and and lack of internet, Thunder will fire you if you try to claim you followed EPL goings ons in 1991/1992.

Na the same internet resources we dey use nigga, so no dey try form historian on publicly available knowledge.


EPL was a new and poor league in 1991/1992 and Fergusom was immediately one of its biggest spenders.

Cantona deal was the 10th biggest deal then, and Roy Keane was a British Transfer record ffs. Nobody in England had ever spent that much on a footballer, not even the queen.

Guy hold this L for me abeg. I dey come sharp sharp.

I think Afrodoc2 has blown this out the water by showing evidence that Fergie won 7 league titles before ever topping the net spend chart.

I am 35 years on this earth this year and landed UK in 1996/97 season and met all those players I quoted on ground plus had been watching football many years before. Also used to visit these shores before I relocated so though I may not have first hand experience, I have some experience plus met that era of players fully. When Amokachi was transferred for example, I knew the price in 1994 so if you tell me Roy Keanes transfer was outrageous 12 months earlier, I can give you better perspective.

To the crux of the issue, Fergie can never be compared to moneybags Guardiola. Fergie broke Celtic-Rangers hegemony without money at Aberdeen. To show his level, he then won Cup winners Cup beating Madrid in the final. Then he won European Super Cup beating Hamburg in the final. In those days all 3 European trophies were highly prized, not like today where UCL takes all the shine. To win those cups, you have to be the best. That's because only league winners go to UCL, then 2nd place goes to UEFA Cup and Cup winners go to CWC. Most Serie A legends of 1990s made their name in CWC and UEFA Cup eg Elfenomeno Ronaldo, all the Parma legend etc. This is why I laugh when anyone tries to downplay Chelsea CWC title of 1998 through the lens of todays UCL. The equivalent of what Fergie did with Aberdeen is like Pep taking Everton to UCL victory today.

Fergie won 7 leagues without being top net spender. What I remember Fergie for is most of his squad would be packed with 6/10 players and he would still win league. Your Johnny Evans, Darren Fletchers, Nicky Butts, David Mays, Pallisters, Solskjaers, Rafaels, Fabios, Wes Browns, Ji Sung, Quinton Fortunes etc. Most of the rest will be 7 or 8/10 not big name world stars eg Sheringham, Andy Cole, Yorke, Gary Neville, Nani etc. In every Fergie 11, 5 or 6 players will be 6/10 or 7/10 players. So no, I can never compare Fergie who can coach a squad of above-average players to greatness to Fraudiola who must have 9 or 10 10/10 players on on the pitch, if not they will flog him 3-0 or 5-0.

afrodoc2:
Nihilist does not know what he is on about here. About 20 players in serie A cost more than Cantona that season, about 9 players in EPL cost more.
Actually Cantona's transfer was the 38th biggest transfer of that season worldwide, the 38th biggest transfer of this season is Andre Gray to Watford. LOL

And Andre Grey moved for exactly the same price (£18m) as Mario Lemina so my mathematical extrapolation was 100% correct when I said the below:

Ibime:
So no, Cantona was no Kyle Walker. He was more like Mario Lemina. That should give you some perspective first and foremost.

Nihilist, hold this L

Nihilstjnr:
relative peanuts.

Cantona cost Ferguson 1.8m or so that year. That was the 10th most expensive transfer of the season. That's like saying Kyle Walker was signed for relative peanuts.

Roy Keane that is also listed as a relative peanuts was signed by Ferguson for a British Transfer record. Which means that no other player in the history of the UK had ever cost that much.

relative peanuts

Teddy Sherringham was the 8th most expensive transfer in the league when Ferguson signed him on a 20k per week contract for 3 years. He was 31.

I could go on and on.


I don't think you did your research before posting this, cos this is a massive gaffe.

The other obvious problem aside the 'relative peanuts' misstep is, you haven't considered how many other clubs in the league even had a starting eleven that could boast at least 4 of the names you casually mentioned there.

How many Solkjaer were knocking about in the league? Fück it, how many Ji sung parks?

PDP was the first PEP.. Easily.

There is a difference between having experience of that era and reading about it later.

Your twisted perspective comes from viewing Cantona transfer through the lens of todays desperation where a desperate club might pay £200m for Neymar (which makes £50m for Kyle Walker look relatively cheap) . . . and lead you to compare Cantona transfer to Kyle Walker.

You are even comparing worldwide to equate Cantona to Walker which is nonsense. In 1992 Lentini, Vialli and Papin were signed for upwards of 10m in Serie A. Intermilan also bought players in that price range. And you are busy comparing 1.8m for Cantona to that. You would have to compute about 30 transfers made in Serie A first before you start to think of British transfers. So no, Cantona was no Kyle Walker. He was more like Mario Lemina. That should give you some perspective first and foremost.

Then if you need better perspective, consider within Britain that Chelsea paid 3m for Robert Fleck, Arsenal paid the same 3m for Martin Keown, Leeds 3m for Rocastle, Man City 3m for Terry Phelan, Villa 3m for Dean Saunders, Blackburn 2m for Stuart Ripley, even 2m for phucking Kevin Gallacher. . . . you will see that you have goofed strongly comparing Cantona transfer to Kyle Walker. That was a peanut sum for that level of player and was a giveaway from Leeds who wanted Cantona off their books due to his attitude.

There is difference between real life experience and Wikipedia extrapolations and assumptions. Don't goof like the erudite trying to do Mathematics ontop football. Those who were around that era know where to place Cantona, it was a middling signing for peanuts and cannot make the top 30 worldwide signings of that year.

All you need to know about Roy Keane transfer fee of £3.75m is that Daniel Amokachi moved for not too dissimilar amount 12 months later. British transfer market has always been a conservative one where transfer prices move up by a couple of grand each year in the early 1990s. Roy Keane fee will not enter top 50 worldwide transfers to that date and was not dissimilar to what other EPL clubs were paying at the time.

afrodoc2:
In Ferguson's 1st EPL season (92/93) his net spend was 1.4m pounds which was 6TH in the league, behind Blackburn Rovers, Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa, Oldham Athletic, Leeds United.
In Pep's 1st EPL season his net spend was abut 180m pounds which was 1ST in the league.

In Ferguson's 2nd EPL season his net spend was 7.53m pounds which was 3RD behind Blackburn Rovers and Man City.
In Pep's 2nd EPL season his net spend was 223m pounds which was again 1ST in the league.

So to clarify for those without A1 in Further Maths, Pep has led the league in net spend in his first 2 seasons in the EPL while Fergie was 6th and 3rd in his first 2 seasons.

No mind that clown. I just dey read his half-baked analogies.

Fergie would only break the bank for few first teamers. Fergie teams always contained the Solskjaers, Ronny Johnsens, David Mays, Roy Keanes, Park Ji Sung, Schmeichel, Vidic, Evra, Rafael, Fabio, Sheringham, Denis Irwin, Cantona etc who he bought for relative peanuts. Ocassionally he would the break the bank for Veron, Ruud, Rio, RVP etc. . . but he would only make one big signing per season usually.

Them want compare to Fraudiola that will sign 5 or 6 blockbusters per year, but gets disgraced when not afforded the opportunity to have 11 blockbusters like last season.

CapitalCee:
I don't get you. Aragones has already won euros with Spain with Xavi as the best player. Iniesta was close second, Puyol is already there even before pep took over. Even a fool will not not ofload them. It doesn't require genius to build your team around Xavi and Iniesta. Added that Messi one of the greatest players to ever exist was added fell on him.

No mind them. Let them keep spinning stories.

BushWickBill:
where is Ibime to remix another song on top Pep

Soon the narrative will be that Kompany is old that is why City lost.

£450m defence!

Raumdeuter is correct. Schuster was sacked.

Even when Mourinho was sacked in 2016, it was by mutual consent. Mutual consent is just another word for sacking.

If a coach leaves before the end of his contract into unemployment, he has been sacked. Nothing like mutual agreement. The only agreement they come to is how much to pay him to sack him.

The last coach I know to resign voluntarily in the middle of his contract without seeking compensation is Kevin Keegan in the mid-2000s.

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chic2pimp:
Oh boy I throway salute for you o. The only Person's name I Recognise there is Lambie and that's because of the Terror He unleashed on the residents of Broadwater farm. It was a no go area around these times. You must have been raving mad as there was no way I would have worked anywhere close to those Lunatics.

Nah I rather stay around those Broadwater guys cos they are business men who won't trouble you unless you are involved in their business. I don't know about now cos I understand they are into postcode wars these days, whereas in my time they did business across several hoods.

Even back then, I much fear your hood NPK guys cos they were into senseless violence and postcode nonsense. My very good friend stayed in NPK at the last W3 bus stop. Anytime I go there, I walk with eyes at the back of my head cos those niggas always looked ignorant.

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This list is not serious. Davido is dreaming of making N30bln ($75m) while Mohammed Indimi (Indimis son) was showing $100m in his bank account. Adelekes cannot make top 50 families in Naija.

koolcat:
The list is poo if DANGOTE family ain't in it.!

Dangote is part of Dantata family which came 1st.

Nihilstjnr:
I sabi that Mark Lambie name from them So Solid Crew days, when everybody used to run around shouting Sho because of them. Na because of am Megaman dey always show himself those days.

Yeah, they had some link cos Lisa Maffia was dating Lambies cousin who used to run his Wood Green to Hornsey operation. Wouldn't be suprised if some of So-solid were running his South London operation.

Nihilstjnr:
Omo the gist I heard is slightly different. I don't even think there's 1 or 2 gangs involved in this shït. The days of 1 super gang are over. These days when 2 or 3 man gather themselves in one corner somewhere, they are their own gang.

Anyway what I heard is this.

A drill rapper called Headie One went to do a show in Luton Uni.

Headie One is from Tottenham.

After the show, he pulled a Luton Uni chic and followed her back to halls to nack.

People spot him in halls and post it on Snapchat that Headie One is in halls

Some Wood Green boys who happen to attend Luton Uni and are in the same hall took the opportunity to violate their 'ops'

So they turned up the the girls room and bumrushed the guy. They also posted this on snap because that's what these youths do these days.

You could see Headie One in the video reaching into his pouch and holding something, possibly a strap, but because he was on camera he didnt pill it out as them dey slap am about.

The very next day, a Nigerian youth gets shot in front a cinema in woodgreen. That newa was even posted on frontpage.

Within 24 hours - Headie One releases 'Know Better'.

one of the lines from the man goes:

They say I took an L in L, but man made a W in W.

crazy yarns, but that jam bangs.

Anyway apparently it's been tit for tat since.

Headie is Broadwater farm. That's the other end of Tottenham, not related to this beef. That crew is an ol gee crew that have been active since the 1980s. I know many ol gee members of that crew cos I used to work as a receptionist at a youth hostel which they controlled and sold drugs from. Mark Duggan was part of that crew, as are all members of North Star, the HipHop group in the early 2000s. That crew was strictly business then, none of this postcode drill nonsense. There was a Nigerian guy called Captain from Harlesden who used to come to our workplace and sell guns from the back of his trunk. He wasn't a dealer, his job was robbing dealers. I swear he was mostly responsible for making Harlesden murder capital of UK then. He went down for kidnap.

The father of that crew is Mark Lambie. Police once came with Helicopters to arrest him at my workplace then. He's been in jail since.

Chic2pimp I hear say that girl wey dem shoot for your ends was affiliated with NPK and na Wood Green mob shoot am.

Since I dey London, these two gangs were the most deadly. Even as of 12 years ago, the first time I heard of postcode gangs was some NPK boys raving on the bus how they would murder some rivals.

But right from when I enter London in 1999, Wood Green Mob was already a deadly gang with many murders. One of my colleague son who was Mob was already doing life for murder back then. Nile Ranger, the footballer is also Mob, that's why he acts so reckless.

I'm just reading about 5 stabbings in Mile End today. Oboy I bless the day I left that town. You need to comot for that NPK oh.