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We play Ramires right back against Spurs.

If we play PF, I won't even wait around to see what the result is going to be.

I withdraw my vote for Dayokanu. He's been yarning opaks lately.

My new vote goes to Dr Kit.

Sneijder is a midfield general, but Fabregas is one of only three field marshalls in the game today along with Messrs Xavi and Iniesta.

If you wanna impress me, break down ten men behind the ball. That's where we seperate the men from the boys.

At the same time UCL teams were playing into Inters hands, every Tom, Dick and Harry in Serie A was beating them cos Sneijder could not break down packed defences, sotay Roma came back from nearly 20 points behind and almost stole the title.

Any assist Sneijder copped against a big team is simply a function of JM waiting for the other team to attack, leaving loads of space for Sneijder to ping the ball into.

You can analyse every single assist he made against those teams and its obvious the opposition defence was on the halfway line. If you know anything about football, you know that's the easiest pass in the world.

Sneijder is getting too much credit for JMs tactical set up.

Only criminals worry about cops.

@ Cougar,

Save the stories. I can show you Fabregas pass from two weeks ago better than any nonsense you just posted there. We dealt with Inter-Chelsea game severally at the time. There's nothing genius about playing through passes against Chelseas high line of defence. Even Nedum Onuoha can break through such high line. Sneijder should try that shyt with ten men behind the ball. . .cos that's exactly what Fabregas did in World Cup final after Sneijder and the rest had spent 120 min huffing and puffing, Fabregas just came in and blew the house down. AND DONT EVER COMPARE SNEIJDER AND FABREGAS WHEN IT COMES TO ASSISTS. All this one you dey show us na one of mere handful of assists that Sneider cops. Fabregas cops 20 assists year in, year out.

@ Dayo,

Stop being an ignoramus. Fabregas has the skills to play pass Zidane level sef. Everything else is legacy, luck and fate. At Fabregas age, Zidane was still at Bordeaux. Let us see if fate is kind to Fabregas as it was to Zidane, that's all. Everything else is simply a matter of crossing Is and dotting Ts. You know me, I judge players on talent not awards. Fabregas has a LOOOOOONG WAY to go to gain the accolades, but skill for skill, Fab is certainly in the same category. Why not?

Yes, Cougar, Sneijder will really teach Koscielny, Denilson and Clichy how to defend. He will even teach Almunia and Flappianski how to catch crosses.

We done hear you!!!

Although I'm sure he couldn't even lift Ajax above PSV in 6 years of trying, neither could he teach Gabriel Heinze how to defend. Infact I'm even sure that Guti put his @zz on the bench. I wonder why he can't galvanise Lucio and Walter Samuel to stop conceding 3 goals per match this season.

I'm sure you remember that last season and this, Fabregas kept Arsenal in the title race until he got injured.

CARRY GO!!!

Ever since Kalou got an extended run in the team, our football has become imprecise.

Kalou too dey rush final pass.

@ Cougar,

Lemme guess. Sneijder would win Arsenal the trophy (where Fabregas can't) by winning tackles and headers, or being better defensively (since he obviously can't score and assist like Fabregas).

You be real mumu. You have boxed yourself into a corner. Sneijder is no Essien. He can't do a single thing better than Fabregas whether passing, scoring, through balls or whatever. So STFU!!!

@ Dayo,

Stop playing the fool. Fabregas is on skill level with the greats. The only thing that seperates him from the greats is legacy. Two months ago you laughed when I told you Xavi is better than Zizou. Now Xavi is about to solidify his legacy by winning Ballon D'or. Shebi na ballon d'or you like to chop. Olodo, you no get brain for yourself? You dey wait make pesin win award before you recognise his talent. Now you dey open dat your big mouth to say "Xavis award is long overdue." See your head! Hehehehehehe

Don't worry, Ibime is a leading indicator while you continue to be lagging indicator. After Ibime says someone is great, you will wait till he receives award before agreeing. When I told EPL lovers that Schweinsteiger is currently one of the best midfielders, they had to wait to see him in World Cup before agreeing with me.

Don't worry, I will continue to alert football novices IN ADVANCE!

Hehehehehehehehe.

^^Lemme guess, SNEIJDER WOULD HAVE COPPED MORE THAN 19 GOALS AND 19 ASSISTS.

Hehehehehehehe.

Hehehehehehehe.

We dey laugh for here O.

I'm guessing Cougar is planning to play Sneijder at DM. He would soon tell me Capdevila is better than Cesc cos Capdevila starts and Cesc doesn't.

HMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

@ Dayo, seperate man from myth. We are not talking about legacy here but skills on the day. Fabregas can school Zidane on any given day just like Rui Costa, Riquelme and such were able to school Zidane on certain days. Infact I'm sure Fabregas schooled him before, abi didn't they meet in UCL once?

Zidane may be greater than Del Piero but Alex outshined him 70% of the time at Juve. Why would it be silly to place Alex in Zidanes category? Because Zidane won Ballon D'or several times. Stop paying attentions to award jor.

I'm sure Cannavaro would go down as all time great, but I can put Rio Ferdinand in his category on any day of the week.

Hmmm.

This is the game Ancelotti planned to use to give the squad confidence back.

What's next?

Who is Sneijder going to replace for Spain? Xavi or Iniesta. Abeg jor! In the interest of climate change, please stop blowing hot air.

You would notice in previous argument that I placed Sneijder in the same category as Scholes, Schweinsteiger, Modric, VDV etc. I would never place him in Fabregas category cos Fabregas is in Xavi and Iniesta category.

And BTW, its now 100% certain that Cougar is Sauron. How else would he know that am a Lampardphile.

Nobody is talking about who deserves award in 2010. Of course the more successful guys would be in the running rather than the trophyless ones.

The question is simple: Who is better, Cesc or Sneijder.

Whether 2010, 2016 or 1966, Fabregas is Sneijders FATHER!!!

Am sure that Real was willing to pay 50m to get Cesc to replace Sneijder.

Even Xabi Alonso is considered better than Sneijder at Real.

I'm just using DK's Real Madrid player screening indices.

I honestly can't believe some punks are telling me that Sneijder is better than Fabregas. . .SO LETS LEAVE IT THERE!!!!

This thread is bookmarked for future reference.

Hehehe. I just dey laugh for here.

Wait make I chop my chinese first. Headache dey worry me.

And I got those stats from soccernet website.

I'm also sure Sneijder takes corners and such. BTW, where was he last night?

I'm sure nincompoops like Sauron abi Cougar would have us believe Sneijder is a better passer than Cesc.

Anyway we are watching. Some guys would look really sill in couple years for comparing Fab to Sneijder

dayokanu:
Pls How did Fabregas prove anything If I may ask?

Its quite simple.

19 goals and 19 assists from 36 games last season tell you all you need to know.

By contrast, Sneijder copped 8 goals and 12 assists.

Infact, Sneijder has only 2 assists in 73 appearances for Holland.

It is fair to assume that Arsenal remain trophyless inspite of Fabregas, not because of Fabregas.


Finally, my eye no dey talk lie.

THEY ARE NOT MATES!!!!!

houvest:
I prefer purism in such discourses instead of assumptions. Assumption 1 Tensor must be Igbo
2/ All Igbos support Biafra
3/ Therfore tensor must support Biafra
4/ All those who support Biafra wanted Wiwa dead
5/  Conclusion Tensor must be Igbo, must support Biafra and so must have wanted Wiwa dead QED.

You yourself would see how skewed such resoning is and such ends up reducing you before your reader. So is it not better to stick to intellectual purism based on facts.

This is why I have placed 50% certainty figure on such assumptions allowing myself room for error. 

We await Tensor to come and verify if my assumptions are erronous, however lemme launch a disclaimer by clarifying that my original statement that "few negros are still yarning opata because Saro opposed Biafra" was a general statement, not aimed at Tensor.

dayokanu:
Pls clarify, What are you trying to say? fabregas compared to Sneijder?

Ibime you need to go for rehab, In the last 3 weeks something has been wrong with you, maybe its time you visit those gambian red light district

Vandervaart who has been seated on the bench for club and country Is actually one of the top 3 midfielders in EPL this season.

What Sneijder achieved last season, The whole Fabregas family cant achieve in 6 lifetimes

Dont jump your guns.

Fabregas has proved last season that he is one of the best midfielders in the world.

The only thing holding Fab4 back from single-handedly winning trophies is shoddy Arsenal defending.

Fabregas and Sneijder no be mate.

houvest:
There is no need for the bolded. Tensor never mentioned that so where did you bring that from? Dont belittle your argument

This is not the first time we're discussing Saro on here. Some peeps of Biafran persuasion have pronounced him guilty because of unconnected events 40 years ago.

If you asked me to guess where Tensor is from, I could place him with 50% certainty.

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=563152.msg7296195#msg7296195 date=1291822404]cesc fabregas mentioned in the same sentence with wesley sneijder? what won't i hear on this forum?[/quote]I think you must be high on something.

So na so you rate Sneijder reach?

You are surely deluded.

Sneijder cannot clean Cesc boots in this life or the next.

Lets be honest, Cesc was the best player in the prem until his injury last season.

tensor777:
Well the allegation was that he simply used a landline to communicate with the NYCOP hierarchy after presumably he was prevented from returning to Ogoni land by elements of the Federal security forces.

And this is breaking news by Tensor!!!  

So you have now gone from "incitement" to "direct order" to murder?

I wonder why Abachas junta did not bring this up in the court case, but Tensor is privvy to such info.  

tensor777:
At the end of the day it was that compelling testimony of some disaffected Ogoni youths  that was used to send him to the gallows.

And those same youths have since testified to being bribed hence Saros family was awarded x million dollars.

The whole world has dotted the i's and crossed the t's and few negros are still yarning opata because Saro opposed Biafra.

If you followed the events of the wanton looting, despoil and murder of Ogoni villages during that period, you will know that anyone seen as sympathetic to the Nigerian Government could get it!

And yes, Saro did criticise the so called leaders several times. Why not?

tensor777:
^^No one says Wiwa physically took part in the killings or that he was in Ogoni land at the time of the killings. The question is what was the nature the communication between him and the NYCOP( National Youth Council of Ogoni People) hierarchy immediately prior to the frenzied killings. Anyway I don't want to believe that these youths  just rose up in a frenzy against their own elders without receiving incendiary information and instructions against them.
More to the point, is that some of these disaffected Ogoni youths have confessed to me that indeed Wiwa was truly guilty of incitement to murder on the day.

hahahahaha. . . . and how did he communicate this? By MTN or Zain?



The protests mounted by the Ogoni - a small, indigenous minority, of 500,000, representing less than one-half of one percent of the Nigerian population and inhabiting a region of only about 1,000 square kilometers - had no bearing on Nigeria's military security. But the determination of General Sani Abacha, the country's self-proclaimed ruler, to do away with the 54-year-old Saro-Wiwa despite international condemnations, suggests the threat that independent thinkers pose to authoritarian governments. Regimes like Abacha's can survive only by suppressing the idea that individuals and communities have certain basic rights - the idea at the center of Saro-Wiwa's struggle for social and environmental justice.

The charge against Saro-Wiwa was inciting murder. But almost all the evidence points to the conclusion that he was an innocent victim of the government's campaign to squash any potential opposition. On May 21, 1994, four Ogoni elders, pro-government conservatives, were killed during a demonstration from which Saro-Wiwa had been barred by military police. The murders were not discreet actions, but part of general rioting which involved hundreds of people, both Ogonis and police officers. Many eyewitnesses claim that it was the police who started the violence. The only evidence connecting Saro-Wiwa with the killings was provided by a few Ogoni youths, who testified that he had mentioned the need to "deal with" or "take care of" a group of conservative Ogonis who had broken with MOSOP.

Saro-Wiwa freely admitted his concern about the breach in MOSOP and acknowledged that, several months before, he had referred to certain Ogoni eiders, including the murder victims, as "vultures." These men had grown rich thanks to government patronage and accordingly clashed with Saro-Wiwa over his harsh criticisms of the military regime. But Saro-Wiwa denied encouraging violence against the elders, and numerous letters and public statements show that he consistently tried to reach out to them and negotiate an agreement that would serve the interests of the Ogoni people as a whole. The record in fact shows that Saro-Wiwa always held fast to the nonviolent approach: several of his books and pamphlets explicitly condemn the use of any violence in political struggles. And two of the prosecution's witnesses later signed sworn affidavits that they and several others had been bribed by Shell to lie about who started the rioting on May 21st and to incriminate Saro-Wiwa unjustly. Even pro-government Ogonis condemned the charges against Saro-Wiwa. "I may disagree with Saro-Wiwa," said Lab Loolo, one of the so-called Vultures, "but I cannot allow people to crucify him for what he knew nothing about."

Circumstantial evidence suggests that the government itself may have been responsible for the murders. Just nine days before the Ogoni demonstration, an internal military memo had spoken of exploiting the "division between the elitist Ogoni leadership" and recommended "wasting operations during MOSOP and other gatherings," with "targets cutting across communities and leadership cadres, especially vocal individuals." Even if the murders were not a deliberate set-up, the subsequent trial was - as attested by several independent observers, mostly from international human rights organizations. The proceedings violated both national and international laws: the government bypassed the State High Court in favor of a "Special" (Military) Tribunal, with specially appointed judges; the defendants were not charged for several months and had no access to attorneys; and there was no right of appeal.

The actual execution ended up like something out of one of Saro-Wiwa's own darkly farcical plays. Saro-Wiwa and his eight co-defendants, wearing native white robes and black hoods over their heads, had been lined up in leg shackles next to the gallows site early on the morning of November 10th - only to be turned back to their prison cells because the executioners' papers were not in order. The government wished to follow the letter of the law. Only several hours later did the tragedy finally come to a close.

Sneijder can be in the top 3, no problem.

But he is far behind the top 2 (Xavi and Messi)

r231:
if anything hackney is more dangerous

Hackney is not dangerous. There is nothing dangerous about Nigerians.

Some people just type nonsense.

Saro Wiwa was not even in Ogoni land on the day the 4 were killed.

Abi that one na incitement by telekenisis?

Instead of Govt to go look for the youths who hacked the 4 men, them go hold Saro who was in Port Harcourt.

Some people dey talk nonsense sha.

The day somebody put a bullet in IBB's forehead, maybe some fools would blame Gani Fawehimni for incitement.

Even incitement itself na crime worthy of capital punishment?

Shouldn't Udughan as an election cheat be jailed or at least barred from contesting again.

Oga Rasputtin, are you suggesting that Emma would contest next year?

The whole Nigeria is under feudal rule.

Niger Delta though is under colonial rule because colonial masters tend to ferry away resources back to their motherland (Abuja)

I don't quite get where Tensor is coming from. Since when did critising leaders amount to homicide?

Look, my pops was acquainted with Saro and good friends with Leton. Saro criticised Leton, Kogbara et al for selling out Ogoni struggle just like Ojukwu can criticise Orji or Falana can criticise Gbenga Daniel. Since when does that equate to murder?

If there is evidence from Government sources that Govt planned to frame Saro for the death, then that is enough to let the man go in peace.

At a time of heightened emotions and severe tension when several Ogoni villages had been laid waste, FG had provoked wars with Andoni, Okrika etc, one man cannot be held responsible for the youths emotions.

Infact, Saro should be lauded for holding back their ire cos only them know how they wanted to react after seeing helicopter gunships open fire on their villages whilst certain leaders are busy trying to "deliver Ogoni for SDP" rather than address crux issues.

As for that Kogbara girl in London, she is highly confused. That's why they put her on the Niger Delta committee because it is easier to fool someone wey no know wetin dey ground.

Come to Ogoniland and see whether Saro is not a deity there.

Mudley313:
Link to the site below. they actually also got a tribute thread for him on there; this sucks :

http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?86502-RIP-Busayo

So Busayo was an underG HipHop head as well?


RIP once again to this humble man.