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Eminem is an immature idiot. . . . so because a woman gave herself to you, you have to sing and rap about it to the whole world. . . . what a punk. . . . abi Mariah cant have a life again without a fellow celebrity selling her story to the whole world. . . .

defemz:
[size=14pt]After the amnesty deadline, stiffer measure awaits the Niger Delta people. [/size]

The north will justify the evil that will be meted out on the deltans as a repeat of the "justice" that was done in the north against the Boko Haram militants, which is their brainchild anyway.

You said it all my friend.

[quote author=Black_Revo link=topic=303487.msg4276778#msg4276778 date=1249034352]Also paraded along with him was one Okafor, an Aba-based trader from whom the sect member claimed to have bought the uniforms.
The Plateau State commissioner of Police, Gregory Anyating, who paraded the suspects, said Salifu’s arrest followed “high intelligence gathering by the command.”
Anyating said Salifu, after his arrest in Jos, revealed to the Police the identity of the supplier of the Army Uniforms in Ariaria Market, Aba, Abia State.
He added that, the supplier of the Uniforms, one Okafor, was also arrested following the information supplied by the sect member.[/quote]Abeg o. . . . make una release Mr Okafor!. . . . does Mr Okafor know what the Army uniforms were intended for? The poor guy is just trying to make a living . . . . all the way from Bauchi, dem done reach Ariaria market to arrest poor Mr Okafor. lol.

HNIC:
@ Ibime,
How about Silvestre. . . 'the geriatric'?
which kind nigga im be?

He's the HNIC. . . . the Head Nigga in Charge. . . . not because he's in charge. . . but because of the size of his HEAD!

RIP Bobby. . . . a great character.

Nah. . . . Carvalho is a House!. . . . but he must play the position of Field nigga when alongside Terry cos Terry's organisational skills are better than his.

tkb417:
speak my language abi sagbama don dey teach u street yarns
which one be field niggar and street niggar

wetin dey do u

The analogy is simple. . . . during slavery, House niggas were more educated than Field niggas cos they served in the Masters house and had access to education. . . . therefore the intelligent defenders (Rio, Vidic, Terry, Hangeland, Adeleye etc) who have the footie intelligence to organise the defence are called House niggas. . . . the ones who are puppets on a string and are only there because they are physically strong or fast, but cannot organise the offside line and positioning (Toure, Gallas, Richards, Onyekachi Apam etc) are called field niggas!  

Who talk say Terry and Carvalho are similar? SMH.

Toure and Gallas are both field niggas like I said earlier. Two house niggas (Rio and Terry) can play together but 2 field niggas can never play together. Kolo Toure is a disgrace to the art of defending. Man City will reap his incompetence.

Anyone who has witnessed Pirlos performances over the past year, the Confed Cup and Milans friendlies should DREAD the thought of that guy coming to Chelsea. Even when he was young he lacked the physicality for the Prem, talkless of now when people just bulldoze through his midfield like he is not there.

@ Post,


Maybe because vast tracks of Igbo lands are also in the Niger-Delta?

mukina2:
You didnt win the Nairaland league

We had our own league running. . . . the bastard beat me by one point cos all my players were rested on the final day of the season, so he is here running his mouth

@ Dyabman,

Fantasy league is back on o. . . . Im looking for my revenge. . .


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-302710.0.html

bombsquad:
Just returned from a long weekend in Abuja where my primary purpose was to attend the Julius Agwu show and also get to spend quality time @ Transcorp hilton with a woman that i can assure you God spent extra hours creating, Didnt travel with my computer because i didnt want to have my brain disturbed with the stupidity of bamsyle and all others like him receiving hyperek payslips, Well im back to lagos now Glory be to God Almighty, Was able to catch up good business discussions yesterday with the German Chancellor and other top civil servants in Abuja, but back to the subject, We are still on the matter, God is still with us,

Lawd have mercy!. . . . . so Angela Merkel get your time?. . . . . my friend, tell this story to the mentally challenged. . . . Angela Merkel ko! Nicholas Sarkozy ni!

CGKing:
One other thing i know is that, if the north succeeds in establishing strict sharia system in the northern states, that will be d beginning of the end of Naija as one Nation. Maybe its even the start of that revolution iv been expecting.

Good morning CGKing. . . . I know you are just waking up. . . . the bolded has already happened!

There is a saying that Southerners are individually wise and collectively foolish whilst Northerners are individually foolish and collectively wise. The Northernisation of Nigeria continues, thanks to OBJ who appointed a man who has never lived outside of the confines of the upper North.

nateevs:
Is Arsenal not a listed company on the exchange?
Arsenal's financial problems don't have to come from AW. .
Isn't it in public domain.?
What Arsenal is going to do with the money they have is what may not be in public domain.

£600m for new stadium no be yam. . . . I had heard Debo say that Arsenals debt repayments are @ £5m for 25 years, but thats just £125m. What happened to the other £475m, not to talk of interest payments. I think the cost of the new stadium looms larger than most people imagine.

This Mr Gates has a history of black radicalism. I would not willingly jump to the defence of that man cos I have read one of his papers on Black America and he seems just the kind of guy that would flip at any "perceived" racism. Infact, I think Obama made a mistake championing the guys cause without knowing the details on ground.


[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=299448.msg4266206#msg4266206 date=1248871609]@pres-elect,

You guys are the ones keeping this issue alive. Same brouhaha was made regarding John McCain's birth certificate. The guy produced one. Now that someone raised the issue with Obama's all we've seen is a certificate of live birth and not a real birth certificate. Like I said, this is a non-issue to me, but if you decide to make an issue out of it, you can technically not prove that Obama was born in Hawaii without a legal birth certificate!

By the way, how did this issue get in the mix of our discussions?[/quote]The depth of depravity you would sink to to discredit Obama is alarming. . . . I thought this kind of talk about Obamas birth certificate was the preserve of ethnic jingoists. . . . . Mr Tayo-D, oya make we see your own birth certificate. . . . I no even know whether your own visa for Yankee go give you voting right sef

Boko-Haram are misguided in blaming Western Education as the source of corruption, but let us not forget that their message has been misconstrued in the press. Their overriding message is one of anti-corruption, an ideal we all strive for, although they are brainwashed into seeking their historical and traditional way of life as a means to ending corruption.

Going by the evidence from the friendly against France, we know that at the present moment, Olofinajana > Vieira.

Big joke!

eldee:
Erm . . . does anyone know if I can do an Abrahimovich there?? Or maybe a Perez.
That 100mill budget is just too tight . . . it's almost like Arsenal all over again

hehehehe. . . .

davidif:
THE PARTS ARE GETTING TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BIG. We are spending waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much money running various states and paying bureaucrats thatn we are spending on education and healthcare. Geez, can't you be freaking reasonable. This is common sense, abi don't you understand economies of scale??

Nah, I think you cant be freaking reasonable. Imagine telling me about economies of scale in Nigeria. Please explain how you think that centralised Govt will help economies of scale? Is that economies of scale as regarding corruption? . Economies of scale pertains to the size of beurocracy and not the number of states. People who know what they want and what their community needs more than most, and having the power to implement such projects helps cut costs due to economies of scale, not some technocrat in Enugu or Lagos making decisions for a village far away, and wasting money on white elephant projects.

You are an arrogant Wa-Zo-Bian who hath never imagined the agitation that minorities go through in states/regions where they are marginalised. I advise you to read up on your history and learn why our elders chose federalism as the only way to function. WE ARE NOT A HOMOGENOUS PEOPLE! Our heterogenity precipitates the need for localised decision making as opposed to centralised decision-making because not all our interests converge.

Now read this and learn about your history before trying to coach me from your economics textbook:

http://www.kwenu.com/lectures/davidwest_gamji.htm

@ Informed,

Pls tone it down.

naijaking1:
@Ibime
The question or evidence I asked you is not about the creation of the 12 states, or Gowon wartime strategies, it's an evidence that Ojukwu singled out Ijaw people, disrespected them and drove them into betraying their people. So far , nothing from you, you smart researcher

Your problem is that you reason with your emotions too much. This is politics my friend, so no need to blackmail Ijaws with an "us" vs "them" scenario. You claim Ijaw betrayed their region, but if you had known anything of politics at the time, you would know that Ijaws, Ogonis etc saw the region as a political contraption, much the same way as we see Nigeria as a contraption today. . . . . it was in the interest of these minorities to break off the shackles of Enugu and its something they have been agitating for since 1960. . . . The British Government advised Gowon to finally accede to agitation for creation of states. . . . this is what the Ijaw wanted. . . . of course, it is disrespectful and politically naive of Ojukwu to dismiss these agitations. . . . and remains the sole reason for some minorities defection to Nigeria because their interests and Ndigbo interests did not converge.

Now the war itself was not an emotional question of "protecting Igbo lives", but happened after a series of breakdown of talks lasting almost a year as to the nature of Nigeria going forward i.e. should Nigeria be a federation, confederation or unitary system? That is the main reason for the war, so do not blackmail anyone into thinking that Ijaws etc should be forced to pick the Biafran side because they and other Easterners were slaughtered in their thousands in the progroms. . . . not so. . . . the war was a calculated fight to allow devolution of power to Ndigbo, not necessarily an emotional reaction to ethnic genocide. . . . and of course, Niger Delta was the prize for the winner of the war.

Dede1:
However, my source informed that the defection of Korubo and the imprisonment of Njoku precipitated from the arguments both senior army officers had with Ojukwu over the decentralization of Biafran military chain of command and government functionaries.

I am not surprised . . . . . Ojukwu was never any good at "de-centralising" anything

naijaking1:
For too long now, you have carried on about how Ojukwu refused  to "respect" minorities as a reason some Ijaw personalties sabotaging Biafra, but you don't really have any evidence to show that this pivotal reason you have proferred many times is indeed true. Forget about unsubstantiated stories from 'elders', you don't have any other evidence. It's quite a shame.

Why should I provide evidence to a lazy researcher like you:


http://www.kwenu.com/lectures/davidwest_gamji.htm


There is no question whatsoever that the creation (or the tactfully carving out) of the Rivers State and the then South Eastern State contributed tremendously to the eventual dismantling of “Biafra.”

These two “strategic states” were created by Gowon on May 27, 1967.He tactfully beat Ojukwu by only three days for Ojukwu’s formal declaration of secession, which he did at two a.m. on May 30, 1967.

In his book “Gowon” J. Isawa Eliagwu agreed that “there is no doubt that it was partially aimed at diluting support for secession…. One of the results of the creation of states was the neutralization of support for secession…. In addition it robbed the [Igbo] of the oil they had hoped would be an asset to the new Republic (of Biafra).”

Ojukwu was so disconcerted and piqued he condemned May 27, 1967 as the “darkest dark in the history of freedom and respect for human beings.”

After the creation of states their (Ijaws, Efiks, and Ibibios) able young men enlisted in the Federal Armed Forces in their hundreds; most outstanding among these was Major Isaac Adaka Boro, a celebrated young undergraduate Ijaw activist freedom fighter.




http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=1203093

"On 27 May, the consultative Assembly of the Eastern Region announced its decision to establish an independent state to be called the Republic of Biafra. Gowon responded to that announcement by creating twelve states. The minority in the Eastern Region were given two states: the South-Eastern and Rivers State. The north was carved into six new states, the Mid-West remained as it was while the west lost a slice of its southern section to the federal capital to make Lagos state. It reduced the power of the majority ethnic groups, gave the minorities a place in the sun at last and was as one writer put it, "the third coup" On May 30, 1967, Ojukwu proclaimed that the territory and region known as Eastern Nigeria together with her continental shelves and territorial waters shall henceforth be an independent sovereign state by the name and title of the republic of Biafra.
"





The Niger-Delta remains the prize (or pawn), over which Nigeria fights. Ojukwus attitude to the right of Rivers indigenes to determine their own future was always hostile. Perhaps a meeting took place, perhaps not. Whatever the case, we all know Ojukwus response to minorities call for a say in their own affairs.

Dede1:
To date, the only Ijo leader that defected to Nigeria side was Lt. Col. George Korubo. Even when he defected for the same personal reason that saw Lt. Col H. Njoku ended up in Biafran prison, he remained Biafran in spirit. If Njoku had been Ijo man, you would have invoked his spirit to support your skewed argument.

Can you please elaborate on Korubo and Njokus defection? I am unfamiliar with their story and why they defected.

Besides that, I have always maintained that the creation of Rivers State was the dividing line between the likes of Adaka-Boro, Elechi Amadi, Sao-wiwa and Biafra.

Andre Uweh:
This is just a lie that has been repeated several times and in the process, has become a truth. In all the civil war reflections, there have never been any Ijaw who said he was at that meeting with Ojukwu when he refused to yield to minority request of autonomy.

You can believe what you want. . . . as of May 1967, Gowon had already split the nation into 12 states. . . . Ojukwu opposed this move, and made no move to make similar concessions to the minorities. . . at this point, Igbos would argue that Gowons move was a political bribe (which it was), but the agitation for the creation of Rivers State had been going on for several years before the war and a simple respect of these minority wishes by Ojukwu would have bought their alliance. . . . .if as you claim, that Ojukwu never held any such meetings, then that is the height of arrogance on his part. . . . .but I have read in several places that meetings were held.

naijaking1:
@Ibime
Thanks for your nice description of the Eleme/Okirika neighbourhood.

I have never understood how you think Ojukwu could have delt with a splinter Ijaw, Ogoni, Onitsha groups demanding autonomy while other Ijaw, Ogoni, Onitsha men and women were actively engaged on the battle front. You have not even shown that the majority of Ijaw people at the time in question supported Boro, yet you're looking back 42 years after the fact and insisting that Ojukwu lost the alliance of Ijaws, becasue he refused to discuss autonomy?. Many Ijaw people were in the Biafran govenement, why should Boro have been treated in any special way?

First of all, before you declare Biafra, you make sure that everyone is onside. . . . contrast this with the Hausa approach to the counter-coup where Murtala Mohammed and the rest of them were patient enough to wait until they had all the facilities in place before striking. . . . Ojukwu was a strategic novice in comparison to Murtala Mohammed. . . . you make it sound as if Ojukwu had to hold several exhaustive consultative meetings with different factions and time would not allow him to do so. . . . . this is not correct. . . .there was already a commission for the devolution of Rivers State, comprising Saro-Wiwa, Elechi Amadi and several Ijaw leaders. . . they all spoke with one voice, and Ojukwu did not need to tour the whole region in an exhaustive process of building alliance. . . . all it took was one agreement, which wasnt forthcoming. . . . this was what led to the so-called betrayal of Biafra to Nigeria who had promised them the ability to control their own affairs.

Andre Uweh:
because whilst Ojukwu had pleaded with Nigeria to implement the Aburi Accord, he totally refused to apply the same Aburi Accord to Biafra to allow minorities some semblance of autonomy.


IBIME: Please can you show any literature or any evidence to show that Ojukwu could not allow minorities some semblance of automomy.

I dont need to provide that. It is well evidenced and quoted by all minority leaders of the former Eastern region as a reason for their defection to Nigeria. At the time, Niger-Deltans were pandering after the creation of Rivers State. That was the biggest thing on their agenda as they felt marginalised by Enugu. Nigeria was already under Federalism before Ironsi, and they asked Ojukwu for a Rivers State under federalism, not controlled explicitly from Enugu and were refused. There is copious evidence on the internet if you care to look.

Vieira, lets try to join these two threads, and not have a disjointed league. . .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-302710.0.html

Dede1:
(1.) The Brigade commanded by Adaka Boro never joined fight in the capture of Okirika Refinery Jetty that saw the occupation of Okirika by Nigerian vandals. I must say that Brigade under Boro made it easier for the capture of Opobo, Andoni, Obodo, Oranga and Buguma.

There were four Brigades readied to assault Port Harcourt. The Brigades included 14, 15, 16 and the Brigade under Boro. I intentionally omitted the number designating the Brigade under Boro bacuse it was summarily disbanded after the death of its commander. The first move to capture Port Harcourt was all out assault on Eleme which fell into vandals hands after bitter fighting. It was at this juncture that Boro decided to branch to Okirika on a private visit when the ambush was set and his faith was sealed.

Following the death of Boro, the Nigerian propaganda machine attributed the killing to fleeing Biafran soldiers. However, at the time of Boro’s death, there was no Biafran unit operating in Okirika axis. It was the same 15th Brigade yet under the command of another Yoruba extraction that carried out the massacre of the civilians at Ogba-Egbama.


(2.) How could you accuse Ojukwu of not dividing Biafra into autonomous entities when the birth of country suddenly attracted war of attrition? If you had accused Ojukwu of not including all the minority peeps in decision-making, I would have say that is debatable. But I am afraid such argument could still not fly in the face of scrutiny.

(3.) The leadership of Biafra, to the best of my knowledge, comprised many minority stalwarts that one such stalwart was an Ijo who gave the name Biafra to the country.      

(4.) I must say that Brigade under Boro made it easier for the capture of Opobo, Andoni, Obodo, Oranga and Buguma.

(1.) With regard to the bolded part, I think your faulty knowledge of Rivers State geography hinders your argument.

Firstly, Eleme refinery is in Okrika and nowhere near Port Harcourt or even Eleme town. My village house is directly opposite Eleme Refinery (which is situated in a land called Samanga) and all my neighbours are Okrikans drawn mostly from Kalio village which is also opposite the refinery and Ogan village which is a little further away. THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE ELEME MAN LIVING NEXT TO THE REFINERY. Right on the left hand side of the refinery is Okrika Grammar school.  Eleme town itself is 20 minutes drive from the refinery. I do not know who called the refinery Eleme refinery and have never cared to ask. If as you say, Adaka-Boro was in Eleme refinery area, then his command must have been preparing an assault on Kirike Town, which is a 5 minute walk across the bridge. Adaka-Boro was killed in Kirike Town, as part of his duties, not because he branched off back into Kirike. You cannot branch off into somewhere which is only 5 minutes away. 3rd Marine Brigade were the ones who attacked Kirike which was under Biafran occupation at the time and shortly after this time, Boro was killed. I can divulge further anecdotes about the Nigerian invasion of Kirike cos my father was in Kirike at the time, but lets just leave it there for now.


(2.) Suddenly attracted war of attrition? Come on now, dont play chess with me. Ojukwu declared Biafra in May 1967, after which he had time to fly to Ghana to draw up the Aburi accord with Gowon and hold several other consultative meetings, but had no time to draw up a similar accord with minorities of the former Eastern Region? No constitution, no memorandum of agreement, and not even a verbal promise in the 2 months that elapsed before the start of the war proper? You cannot be serious. This is another strategic and tactical mistake on the part of Ojukwu to go along with all the other tactical mistakes that you believe he made.

(3.) As I have said, fair treatment of minorities in Biafra cannot be assumed under a wishy-washy approach to fair play. The fact that Ijaw men were in the Biafran army is not a signal of mutual cooperation when at the same time, all calls for an agreement to protect the autonomy of minorities are summarily dismissed. Besides, I expect all soldiers in Biafra to occupy positions based on the heirarchy of the former Nigerian army, and I expect Bayelsa State to produce top members of the Biafran military as Bayelsa State have always had a strong presence in the Nigerian army.

(4.) This contradicts your statement on the Ken Saro-Wiwa thread that Adaka-Boro was nothing but a ragtag militant who had little or no effect during the war. The likes of OBJ wrote in his book that Boro's brigade was the most effective brigade in the Niger-Delta and the Niger-Delta could not have been captured without Boro.

Upping. . .

Jarus, I know you chat with Sanusi on facebook and reh reh reh but you are taking your fascination too far. . . .

First of all, you are not qualified to judge his intellectual capacity cos he is smarter than you. How can someone of inferior intelligence such as yourself be able to discern who is smarter when 2 smarter men are debating? . . . . . thats like Homer Simpson sitting in on a debate between Steve Hawkins and Einstein and trying to decipher who is more intelligent.

Out of deference to you, I ask you to produce evidence of Sanusi's genius so I can judge if he truly is that smart. . . . and please dont post any more nonsense political ramblings from him, I wanna see something from his field which sets him apart. . .

debosky:
Nice comparison. . . but by the time it's discovered that you are truly microfinance quality, you might have ruined some of the world bank's affairs. Remember one rogue trader nearly destroyed BNP Paribas.

I have a feeling Michael Owen will be the Nick Leeson to Man Utds Barings Bank!