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@ Nex,

Pls get back to me when you learn to differentiate between the words "curt" and "courteous". . . . oloshi.


@ Afam,

The ostrich buries its head in the sand. I have loads of Zimbabwean friends, one of whoms parents live in an MDC village, and she just had to send money home to move her parents from the village to Harare cos of the intimidation members of the village are receiving from Zanu-PF.

Its either Mugabe is not a dictator (as you claim, he did not win the election by 90% like other dictators) or you have shut your eyes to the abuses going on there. His general conduct with regard to human rights abuse is well documented. Without looking at the election, if we have established that Mugabe is dictatorial and Tsvangarai managed to get half the vote in the 1st election, unlike in other dictatorships, that must mean a strong groundswell of support for MDC. Please dont get yourself in a twist. This is not an Iran situation where Ahmadinejad clearly won the election. People are starving in Zimbabwe.

One thing I do agree with is that Mugabe is a stand-up guy and I am ideologically in agreement with his seizing of the lands. But to seize lands and then dash them out to Zanu-PF and top military brass to run? Nah hombre!

Now some idiot up there thought I was referring to the 'speed' with which Mugabe seized the lands when I talked of expediency, when infact I was referring to the fact that Mugabe did not have a proper plan for distribution and management of the land to allow it to continue producing goods for the economy. It is one thing seizing the land, its another thing having the personnel to make it productive for the nation.

davidylan:
Besides where do you think the technology for all the surgeries come from? Oh yeah GOVERNMENT SPONSORED UNIVERSITY RESEARCH! Socialism at its worst . . . do you know how much the NIH spends in research every yr in my school alone?

Pure republican talking points.

- you have private care now because you have a job, no pre-existing conditions and do not need it now. You wait until you're out of job, no employer-based healthcare, have a pre-existing condition and your health care premiums are higher than your monthly mortgage. Dont also forget to include your out of pocket costs though.

- Ah wait . . . what is all this drivel about rationed care? Where did that come from? who rations care in Canada and France?
Rationed care is when your insurance company refuses to cover a particular bill because its too expensive or they dont deem it serious enough. Rationed care is when you are refused care because you have an increased risk for developing cancer, rationed care is going on right now.

to think americans are crying about rationed care . . . what of medicare? Is it rationed care too? I wonder why the elderly are not clamouring for private health insurance . . .

Same arguments when it was medicare 44 yrs ago . . . its turned out better. Sure you cant dump 50mm extra people on the system but go ahead paying higher taxes so that those 50m can continue recieving free care.

Congress is already on healthcare bankrolled by you.

I think you have buried De La Soul with these points. Rationed care ke? Methinks insurance-based system is rationed by cream-skimming companies.

She would make points about lower standards of care in public health, but of course no one is forcing her to give up her insurance. Public health would reduce the price of health Insurance perhaps to European levels where we get gold-standard cover for as little as £30.00 a month. Public health is desperately needed in Yankee to keep private health honest. Right now, its just a rip-off.

20 years from now, when social health is up and running successfully alongside Private, we would look back at these Republican naysayers as dinosaurs from another era, the same way the Brits look at those pre-1950 who never had any social healthcare.

Batubo:
I dont know why some old Bastards have access to the internet in this century.

Calm down. . . . Dede1 is always clowning. . . . you have to take his words as tongue-in-cheek otherwise you would get offended.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=304656.msg4306224#msg4306224 date=1249507474]@Ibime,
It will be nice if you understand the position of the person you are defending. Obama's goal is to eliminate the private option leading to a single payer system. Maybe you should watch this 2 minute video chronicling Obama's stand on the matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&feature=player_embedded[/quote]Come on mate, who you trying to scare?

I cant watch the video now, maybe later, but I guess its more propaganda.

All those gormless Mancs who criticised Valencias signing will be forced to swallow their words.

Afam:
Any proof that Mugabe rigged either the first election or the run off?

We seem to forget that Mugabe has supporters in Zimbabwe ranging from civilians to the armed forces who are happy with the reversal and retrieving of lands stolen by the whites that invaded, killed and seized lands belonging to blacks in their own country.

I am not against the repatriation of white lands to the original owners. I believe in resource countrol, equity and justice. However the expediency with which the lands were seized with no regard for the economic implications; and the manner of their distribution leaves a lot to be desired. Those lands were not nationalised, they were privatised ie passed on from the white elite to the black elite with no trickle down to the common man who holds the de jure deeds to the lands.

As to whether Mugabe stole the election, anyone arguing against that is on shaky ground. From voter intimidation to outright rigging, the incumbent stole the election. I believe that ALL voters are economy voters, and the collapse of the economy almost certainly meant that Tsvangarai won the election. Whilst Zimbabweans are fleeing the country and living hand to mouth, I would be hard pressed to believe that ANY incumbent would retake the mandate under such conditions.

dayokanu:
Report has it that Didier Drogba has agreed a new deal at Chelsea.

A player who is 32 (African age) extends again.

What does the future hold for Chelski

Ya better off worrying how to get Luca Toni off your wage bill. . . . I am led to believe you even gave Lucio away for almost nothing

JeSoul:
(1.)  Load of crap indeed. That's why the rest of the world runs to America for surgeries and other critical healthcare abi?  

(2.) I will take private with their obscene costs anyday over public where we'll all be scrambling for reduced, rationed service. You cannot dump 50million extra people into the system and expect it to still work the same way without increasing the number of doctors and other service providers.

(1.) Dont flatter yourself. Who want reach Yankee for wetin? Private healthcare in Britain is better than in Yankee so stop chatting rubbish. My girl works for UCL HCA in Warren Street and they always have people like the King of Bahrain, Roman Abramovic etc coming there for treatment.

(2.) Yeah, and we also get top quailty private here as well


You made a silly suggestion that Privates will close under Obamas scheme. This is scare-mongering, the likes of which Republicans easily fall for. Hell yeah, some privates may close, but demand for Healthcare remains the same, and the same no of jobs or more will remain for Doctors, Nurses & Lab Technicians . . . . .some Privates may close when demand falls. . . . but the only loss is that SHAREHOLDERS OF THOSE PRIVATES WILL LOSE EQUITY. . . .who gives a flying phock?. . . . thank God, money is not flying out of your pocket into shareholders pockets anymore instead of being spent on YOUR ACTUAL HEALTH!!!. . . I wonder if some people are lobotomised by listening to radio shows and lose all sense of perspective.

Privates who are competitive will remain so. . . .the rest of the charlatans can hit the wall, but their doctors and nurses will find gainful employment almost immediately.

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nex:
In other words, Mugabe is still alive and well and nothing has changed.

These Zimbabweans will suffer on. They've not seen anything yet. Since Africans will not exercise their democratic rights and act up but are waiting for nature, ageing and death to help them out, they're going to have a long wait.

Here's wishing Mugabe long life and prosperity.

You are quite a cynic and your cynism is not funny. Perhaps you are the new Kobojunkie with your self-hating messages.

The Zimbabweans have already "exercised their democratic right" in voting out Mugabe but were cheated at the polls. If they now pick up arms instead of "waiting for nature, ageing and death to help them out", I am sure that Nex would be the first idiot to criticise their violent struggle ala Niger-Delta.

mbulela:
that will solve the problem and expose the criminals who are masquerading as militants.
however the problem is that this govt is incapable of such a sacrificial and nationalistic step. their crooked myopic tendency seeks to exploit the loopholes in every solution to loot and declare a bazaar.

If only things were that simplistic.

We do not live in a utopia my friend.

Anyone seeking to influence anything in Naija must amass some money.

If that is the yardstick for measurement, then Asari is more legitimate than any of our public servants.

The questions you have asked are public knowledge eg everyone knows Asari is a bunkerer therefore I dont need to waste time answering. Infact, some would argue that Niger-Deltans have the right to lift oil from their own backyard since others have been doing it for decades without prosecution.

Even the late Ken Saro-Wiwa was accused of stealing money from foreign donations to MOSOP. The question is, what was his overriding motivation?

Link please!

JeSoul:
Even the democrats agree that it will be damn near impossible for the privates to survive and people would forced to switch to a govt plan.

A whole load of crap. Is that because the Privates have been cream-skimming, or overcharging for their services, and suddenly they cannot afford to compete at competitive prices? Thank God for Public Healthcare, otherwise these Private companies would be charging obscene amounts. Let the publically provided Healthcare drag them down to realistic prices jare.

Here in the UK, we have a functioning Public and Private healthcare system. Anyone who sells you this load of crap should be charged to travel outside the confines of the 50 states to see the world for what it is.

mbulela:
ibime, you can vouch for Asari?

Is this a trick question?  

I can vouch for the fact that Asari is an ideologue, and is ideologically tied into the struggle. As for his ethical practices, I am not God.

tensor777:
I think what should be really agitaing insurgent commanders is how they would be able to withstand a massive combined assault by the armed forces having digested the lessons of the recent successful military campaign in the north- east by the special police and infantry units and even further afield how the 'world's most successful guerilla army' was crushed by the Sri lankan army.

We heard the same during the bombings of Tombia and Gbaramatu only for MEND to come back stronger.

Unless Nigeria is intent on carpet-bombing the whole Niger-Delta and all its oil facilities with it, this is just wishful thinking.

In a country as corrupt and dysfunctional as Nigeria where JTF members are selling information to MEND, a Sri-Lankan style victory is out of the question, not to mention the fact that Tamil Land does not sit on highly combustible elements.

I have a friend here in London who was a soldier with the JTF. An Igbo boy. He says that JTF are not interested in fighting and have no heart for it cos they are not as highly motivated as the boys. He also told me that they used to go and collect money from Asari whenever they needed it cos Asari's bunkering barges float from Bundu waterside and they collect money from Asari on the pretext that they do not disturb his business. This raises a pertinent question: How come not one single barge has been apprehended by the JTF? The media is awash with stories of bunkering, yet the FG/Army know where these barges operate from and have never done anything about it. What is the purpose of JTF in the Niger-Delta? You would be surprised at the inter-web relationships between JTF and militants in the Delta.

back2back:
please get your fact CORRECT!

Benjamin Adekunle, Black Scorpion, is the GREATEST NIGERIA WAR HERO!

Yeah, thats why he shot Adaka Boro in the back!

Beaf:
[list]
[li]The leadership of MEND is deliberately kept unknown, so the leaders can function as every day Nigerians, pushing the cause in peaceful ways.[/li]
[li]MEND is very skilled at sourcing sophisticated weapons and provision of military training.[/li]
[li]Politicians love thugs so they arm up deprived youths to loot and shoot their rivals and to cow the general populace.[/li]
[li]MEND contacts these same thugs, gives them arms to use against the state that created them; only now there’s no politician boss and they aren't terrorising the populace; they are now used against oil wells.[/li]

One should always be mindful of the points above. . . .when I say I support MEND, people think I vouch for the ethics of the boys themselves. . . . this couldn't be further from the truth, cos I have stated repeatedly that the boys are hired criminals. . . . Im more mindful of the leadership of MEND than the boys. . .

Beaf:
MEND is studied the Word over as a masterpiece of military strategy that can bring any nation to its knees (look at sites for Stratfor, Global Guerrillas etc).

Foreign powers are beginning to take note, let’s watch Hilary Clintons visit very closely; it will indicate the side of the table that the US will play its game (likely with the Niger Delta).

Are the above your views or did you cull them from somewhere? If so, can I have the link please so I can sudy it for myself, especially with regard to Hillary Clintons visit.

dyabman:
AGuero is shit , he cant take on one one one with a defender, his game against arsenal says it all,

I thought I was the only one who noticed.

Krayola2:
They need someone to partner Fabrgas though. Song, Denilson etc just don't cut it IMO. Last last make wenger come beg for Sergio Busquets

Sergio Busquets is lucky to be playing with great players. If he came to Arsenal, he would make Song look like Makelele.

[quote author=Lite-n-Cee link=topic=305091.msg4303227#msg4303227 date=1249479621]now you say Prince Harry is negotiating for boyloaf = militants, not MEND. the same boyloaf you vouch for is now asking for N300k per AK. shame on you for lack of consistency and integrity, my guy some folks here definitely have better memory and intelligence than you so, pls tell your MEND/militant brothers to clean up their act. it is very disgraceful that with all the problems in the ND, you guys muddle things up like this and still hope to be taken serious. how do you guys want us to believe you have any other ideology apart from money. MEND has much more money than MASSOB yet they dont even have a clear cut means communicating their agenda, not even a website or radio station like MASSOB, before we even talk about building schools. you guys really need to clean up your act.[/quote]I would hope that every human being realises that change is inevitable. Who would think the great Dora Akinyuli who fought so bravely against the importation of fake drugs would become nothing but a stooge and who would think that Ohakim who was doing so well would deflect to PDP. Similarly, who would think that Boyloaf would tire of the struggle? Any system in Nigeria would surely have some rot in it.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=302497.msg4302841#msg4302841 date=1249476057]The name of the protectorate was a signage pointing to the thriving business of palm produce (palm oil ,palm kernel etc ) in that area ,which was needed by the british for their industries then. We all know that the british started prospecting for oil around 1937 and oil exploration became profitable in the 1960s. I believe my point is clear.

The akassa war triggered by disagreements in the terms of palm produce trade with the british royal niger company.

All of these point to a rich history of self-sustaining economic activities within the confines of Ijaw territory. abi I lie? so let all these talk about dependant stop.[/quote]NaijaKing should listen attentively. It is also important to note that Igbos and Ijaws were both active participants in the Palm Oil trade as I explained to him earlier. There is no trade that Ndigbo engaged in that Ijaws did not engage in, for we were their no1 trading partners.

texazzpete:
And wasn't it MEND that brought this wave of kidnapping upon us in the first place?

I do not believe i am you enemy, Ibime. There's a lot to fix in Nigeria. I have my cogent reasons why i do not trust or admire MEND. Does that place me on the side of devils too?

Let us debate, not dispute

@ bolded,

Why not go further back and blame the Arochukwu for bringing kidnapping into Nigeria? 

Should we also blame Benin Boys for the proliferation of Armed Robbery in Southern Nigeria? 

Abeg, make everybody answer im papa name. MEND started off kidnapping oil-workers, next thing every copycat is doing it to their fellow Nigerians. One remembers that when a list of kidnappers was released back when everyone was blaming 'militants' (not to be confused with MEND) for kidnapping, I often used to see a lot of Igbo and other tribes names paraded as suspects, and anyone with a brain cell would know these kidnappers are not MEND, but profiteers. The Govt strategy toward MEND remains that of giving a dog a bad name in order to hang it, and attributing every kidnapping in Niger-Delta to "militants" (Read: MEND!). Today, the virus is all over Southern Nigeria, and we should also attribute every kidnapping in Igbo land to MASSOB or every kidnapping in Yorubaland to YCE. 

I believe one should read the news with intelligence, and not be a sheep being led by every falsity. For example, look at how some people jumped on this thread thinking it was MEND that was the subject of this amnesty deal, when every intelligent observer should have noted that MEND flatly rejected the amnesty.

texazzpete:
1. What have the MEND millitants done (directly) for the people of the Niger Delta so far? How many relief materials did they donate to the displaced people of Gbaramatu?

2. What do you say to the hundreds of millions of naira these millitants demand (and get) from ND state Governors? What was the purpose of this money when it was in the hands of the State Government? Develop the state or pay millitants?

3. What have the ND millitants done about the corrupt state and local government officials who have ceaselessly diverted monies meant for the common man?

4. Can MEND raise the dead? if not, what have they done to recompense the families of the innocent civillians they've brutally killed in their operations?

5. Four innocent civillians were cut down in the Atlas Cove attack. Why has there been no public apology from MEND over this to the families of those involved?

I am surprised that you would be asking the questions above. Is war a cut-and-dried process?

(1.) Is this conjecture or fact? How does Texazzpete know if militant x gave Mr Daminabo N10,000 to help his family? Should they set-up a charitable foundation and publish their accounts? Pls refrain from conjecture. I know some boys who would boldly come here and state what and what MEND have done or not, but I am not on ground to witness any of this, and neither are you. MEND have repeatedly called for the rehabilitation of all citizens of Gbaramatu as a pre-condition for any armistice from the FG

(2.) Sourcing of funds for guerilla warfare is hardly ethical anywhere in the world. Listening to you, one would think that it was a straightforward process, and if so, why can Ibime and Texazzpete not also pick up arms to demand the change we all know we need?

(3.) See point 2. Jomo Gbomo has said that a true revolution would consume all present day leaders in Niger-Delta. The issue is that most of these leaders also have thugs, and MEND do not have the time or resources to get bogged down fighting their own people whilst still engaging the FG. All that should evidently follow later. Strategy is more important at this stage.

(4.) Casualties are a fact of war. The day America, Britain, or any army infact, apologise for innocents killed in their wars, then MEND will have to apologise to families of innocent casualties. As long as the innocents were not wilfully killed (eg Germans killing of Jews, Nigerians killing of Biafrans), there is nothing to be said. Fact remains that no oil-captives have been wilfully murdered etc, and this shows MENDS approach to civilians, unlike the blood-thirsty JTF.

(5.) Refer to (4.). Perhaps MEND would consider applying extra discretion when dealing with victims of Atlas Cove because they are from a different tribe.

nex:
@Ibime

you have said it that you are curt to people with dysfunctional thinking. I now understand your rabid attitude to people with functional thinking.

Today you will say Edo are not Niger Delta. Tomorrow you will say Itsekiri are not Niger Delta. Then after that You will say only Ijaw are Niger Delta. Divide and conquer that will lead to factions and defeat. Shey you have seen Bayelsa and Delta factions of MEND.

Go and be curt to your people with dysfunctional thinking.

We will not purchase that okrika AK47 from you for 300K. You lazy swine. No one for you to kidnap today? No pipeline to draw crude from? No NYSC girls for you to rape? No cult wars to fight?

I am glad you have got all these off your chest. . . . I know it was something you were itching to say. . . . its good to hear the raw coco from you, not the sugar coated insidiousness we hear from you everyday. . . .

Yes, Edo are not Niger-Delta cos it seems that you guys will be the first to say "I am Niger-Delta, but not in my name!". . . . therefore, it is better to seperate the wheat from the chaff early. . . . I consider Ndigbo to be more ideologically linked to the struggle than the turncoats in Edo State. . . . Edoites will be the first to decry violent struggle, but when the violent struggle reaps rewards, they will also be at the table, no doubt eating with a long spoon. . . . who can forget that the sweat of people like Ken Saro-Wiwa etc allowed Edo State to receive 13% derivation from their resources from the 1.5% that previously held. . . . of course, this is still not reaching down to the people, but the same holds for the rest of Nigeria and will continue to do so until Nigeria adopts a sterner approach to corruption. . . . the same Edoites would be the first to label MEND as kidnappers when kidnapping is the no1 vice in Edo State, despite the absence of MEND there.

nex:
Ibime, I have previously advised you about you rude nature of approaching users of Nairaland. This is now a warning. If you continue in your wayward manner, I will teach you a lesson.

I am from the Niger Delta and I didn't ask any terrorist group to fight for me or to sell AK 47s at usury terms in the name of the struggle of my homeland. So don't come in here to tell me what is not.

My friend sharrap dia! If you have a problem, report to the moderator. Teach lesson ke? Na for internet wey you dey form egbewager? I am curt to people with dysfunctional thinking. If you take it personal, na your own problem be dat. Na my style be dat.

Look at this Bini man claiming Niger-Delta. FYI, the Niger-Delta we are talking about here is not Obasanjos definition of 2000.

ahonohai:
I disagree with your thinking on this one. . .as usual

At members day yesterday, the fans all applauded Eboue without reservation. He put up a real good show with his showboating and legendary makossa dancing skills. . .I understood a bit more why Wenger would want to keep him in the squad as his presence does a lot for morale. . .his head tennis with Arshavin was a joy to behold.

What dont you agree with. . . . the fact that fans sigh everytime he receives the ball. . . .

Of course, they would applaud the jiggaboo for his ball juggling and Makossa skills. Is Eboue not the class clown?

No doubt Timi Alaibe is a crook, but he is the face of the Government to the Niger-Delta as head of the NDDC, and no doubt all representations to the Govt will inevitably go through his office.

As for the rest, it doesnt matter what you think. Its the same old boring cycle of accusation and counter-accusation against MEND.

@ Post,

Cash for Clunkers is not unique to the USA. We've got the same scheme here in the UK. I guess its something to help local car manufacturers, and also with the added benefit of an environmental effect. No be today wey the automobile industry was made a quasi-public institution.

mbulela:
could you please address my questions.
i am eager for answers.

He who comes to the table must do so with clean hands. . . . your hands are not clean, so I will not waste energy answering your questions. 

The answers to most of those are everywhere if you care to look. Asking me if MEND has articulated a solution to the problem just shows your hard-heartedness, because MEND have stated repeatedly that the fight will not end until a SNC is called and true federalism is implemented, time without number. They have put together (and are putting together) a team of negotiators, of which Rochas Okorocha and Timi Alaibe are confirmed. They are also reaching out to others, of which Wole Soyinka has been muted. He who has eyes, let him see, and who has ears, let him hear.

If you like you can keep pulling out innuendo written by lazy journalists who rope MENDS name in with other militants, but until these issues are addressed, you can expect more bombings from now till Kingdom come. Its been almost 5 years of silly inuendo, and MEND are still standing, even getting stronger. If MEND could be bought off, they would have done so by now. This is an organisation which is costing the Nigerian economy up to half of its revenue per year.

nex:
@Ibime

calculate the monetary cost of an operation to blow up an oil installation or the Atlas Cove, then subtract it from the N3 billion plus the price of 10,000 three bedroom flats.

It must be clear to all now that there are fewer whitey to kidnap and fewer functioning pipelines to bunker oil. MEND has decided to cut their losses before "market fall press them".

Even Forest Gump couldnt draw a more asinine conjecture. . . . yeah, lets go and blow up Atlas Cove so we can demand more money. . . . how foolish!

And for the umpteenth time, MEND is not participating in any amnesty deal for N3bn. Victor Ben aka General Boyloaf is.

hehehehehe. . . . . Mr Eboue. . . . you could hear a collective sigh going round the whole stadium everytime Eboue received the ball during the Emirates Cup. . . . that guy needs to leave Arsenal for his own health. . . . the animosity will reach a crescendo otherwise.

I can see Taye-Diggs and De La Soul rambling on again about whatnotwhatever.

Socialism ko, communism ni!

Wait till your company gets seized by Obama, then come tell me about Socialism. . . . . Oh I forgot, he virtually seized General Motors. . . . hehehehehe

I dont think vituperations should be spilt on any Chelsean who decides to follow Chelsea with one-eye this season, nor should anyone be castigated for their despondency.

Imagine a club where everyone makes the decisions and no one gets it right.

Kenyon is now deciding on which players contract to renew?

Roman Abramovic decides on who to buy. They went and bought a left-winger (Zhirkov) not knowing that Ancelotti prefers a narrow diamond.

The short-term managers (LFS, Ancelotti) sign players only for a season knowing their neck is on the line. They also renew players contracts (Drogba, Terry, Malouda) knowing that they need these players over the next year or two, but after that there is no long term future for these players.

Why did Frank Nouble turn down a professional contract with Chelsea? Simply cos he does not see his mates from the YTS coming through to the first team. Will we live and die with Lampard, Drogba and Terry? Do they not have expiry date?

This club is phocking disjointed.

Jeremiahs, Isaiahs, Ibimes, Jalethers and other prophets of doom should not be castigated for speaking their mind.



Chelsea 1996