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nateevs:
You are saying rubbish Debo . . .

Imagine a scenario where a a striker strays loose on goal as he leaves the last defender clearly pull his shirt 5 yards outside the box. . The striker stumbles, almost falls. . . . the Ref waits to see if he will go to ground . . he doesn't, picks himself up and runs at the goalie . . and he goes past the goalie he is brought down blatantly . . . The ref puts his whistle to his mouth and blows . . .

Which foul has he blown for ?


Answer this question and this should put to bed any rubbish you are trying to defend. . .

I like your wisdom. £20 says Debo cannot answer this shit.

debosky:
That is a separate event alright, but the rule talks about an ORIGINAL offense, indicating that a subsequent offense might occur, BUT the ORIGINAL offense takes precedence. The advantage ANTICIPATED was likely a cross - since Malouda had no chance to cross, the ref calls for a free kick that would allow the cross (the anticipated advantage) to take place.

Mumu, so what are you saying? Alves could have brought out a gun and shot Malouda and still no pen cos the 'anticipated advantage' (i.e a cross) didn't materialise?   Listen to yourself. You are a first class bozo! All your credibility is down the drain.

nateevs:
Now your defense for what I just said is that he called for the original foul . . . . but there is a condition in the rule for calling for the original foul and it is "if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time".. . . this is used were If Alvez had held Malouda back outside the box . . Alvez trips and falls and couldn't catch up . . Malouda then trips and his legs (Malouda's) kicks the ball out for a goal kick . . . . The "anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time" . . Therefore the ref will reverse play and "penalise the original" but remember only "if the anticipated advantage does not ensue"

but yesterday . . It did. . . Alvez pulled Malouda back but Malouda still had the advantage . . and carried on and there was no reason for the Ref to pull play back. . . [size=14pt]According to the rule, the original offense becomes void since the opposition has the advantage[/size]. . . . . Then Alvez goes ahead and pulls Malouda down in the box . . . .[size=14pt]That's a separate offense according to the rule.[/size] . . . .  and you say it's not a penalty.

You are not even digesting the rule well . . and you are still arguing

Adeballz is a nincompoop. . . . simple logic evades him.

debosky:
I wonder why Ibime is so worked up, did y'all see the Arsenal fans using such vile words when you lot were tormenting us?  

You had to take the jibes cos you lost like cowards. On the other hand, there is a clear travesty there are clear travest[b]ies[/b] of justice in Chelsea's case.

debosky:


The advantage rule is inexorably linked to an original offence. We are not debating your conception of the word 'advantage' or the differing levels of 'advantage' a penalty gives but simply the letter of the law. The initial advantage was possession, not a penalty. That was lost and the ref pulled play back.

For avoidance of doubt

allows play to continue when the team against which an offence has been committed will benefi t from such an advantage and penalises the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time.

The rule does not state that you penalise the new offence, it says penalise the ORIGINAL OFFENCE if the advantage anticipated doesn't ensue. SIMPLE.

Mumu, how would you describe the 'advantage anticipated'? Did Alves foul Malouda in the box or not? You have already admitted as much, so there is a clear choice between giving a free-kick and a penalty under the advantage clause. Did Malouda lose possession or was he fouled in the penalty area? I swear man, you're getting on my last nerve. I wish I could e-slap you right now. Serious slap that makes the ear tingle.

Debo is a bitter motherphocker and he's just trying to pass on his bitterness cos his team were emasculated like pigs on tuesday.

Idiot, which part of the rules of the game did you quote? Please google "advantage clause, laws of the game" before coming here to rap bollocks. The referee only pulls play back if an advantage doesn't accrue to the attacking team. A penalty is more advantageous than a freekick so shut the phock up with your ridiculous theory which has no basis in fact. By the advantage rule, it is a penalty. If we disregard the advantage rule, it is still a penalty, unless the referee blows the whistle before Malouda enters the box, which obviously wasn't the case. So eat a dick!

Debosky, you are a fool! You need reorientation regarding the advantage rule. The advantage rule is only applied to give the attacking team the advantage. Only if they lose the advantage is play called back. Any subsequent foul is penalised at the spot it takes place @. You need serious re-education. Everybody is castigating the ref, you are coming here to yarn nonsense out of pigheadedness. Carry your antagonism go jare.

3 clear penalties. Pique, Alves and Abidal! Abidal was not only a shirt pull but a foul tackle which made no contact with the ball. Get out of here.

debosky:
I watched it multiple times - there was a foul outside the box Ibime, go watch again.

Was the foul outside the box more ferocious that the one in the box?

Was it even half as ferocious as Abidal's tackle on DD? By your own words, you disprove your argument. If the foul outside the box is worthy to be called a foul, then all 6 penalty claims (even the half-hearted ones) are penalties by your twisted logic.


[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=252254.msg3835132#msg3835132 date=1241703587]The 2nd foul was inside the box. That should be a penalty.
An advantage rule applies if Alves had won the ball cleanly inside the box after fouling Malouda outside the box.
I remember Belleti fouling Ronaldo TWICE at OT. . . . .He kicked him but Ronaldo continued. . . .Belleti went after him and kicked him again.
Howard Webb gave a foul for the 2nd tackle.[/quote]Adeballz is an idiot. Its obvious he doesn't watch much football. I have seen countless incidents where the foul starts outside the box and goes into the box and it is ALWAYS a penalty. Burden of proof is on him since all the newspapers and pundits have it down as a stonewall penalty. The mugu is so confused, he is pulling up 'the advantage' rule to explain his inane musings. Ade is just being vindictive, thats all.

Eto was certainly not a penalty, but for Gods sake, 3 clear penalties were seen, 2 of them described as incontrovertible. That the referee did not blow the whistle isn't because he didn't see it. He obviously wanted to keep the game interesting. Thats not a referee, thats a thief. The occasion got to him and he was playing out the script. You would be hard pressed to find a worse performance even in Naija league.

I am fully in support of Drogba. If I was playing, I would have punched the ref, no less.

Ballack really made me laugh yesterday sha. I thought he had rabies, the way he was running after that ref foaming at the mouth.

Adeballz is an idiot. So because you fail to take your chances, you should be denied clear penalties?

WTF is he trying to say about Malouda's penalty? A foul committed outside the box which carries on into the box is always considered a penalty. Did a foul even take place outside the box?

Abidal's shirt pull and ill-timed lunge on DD was also a pen.

Pique's no question.

According to The Times, "at least two of the penalties were[b] 'incontrovertible'[/b]". Any of another 2 could have been given without any complaint from pundits. 2 incontrovertible penalties, at least another one justifiable. This is a highway robbery.

The referee should forever be banished to a life of police-protection, cos Chelsea HeadHunters and Combat18 don't play. . . .  

[center]Chelsea scream blue murder as referee gets death threats[/center]

The referee of Chelsea's bitterly disputed Champions League semi-final was smuggled out of Britain under police guard today after a series of death threats.

Tom Henning Ovrebo is the target of a vicious hate campaign after last night's game, which ended the west London club's hopes of winning the trophy. He was accused of denying Chelsea a series of penalty appeals that would have secured them victory.

At the end of the match Ovrebo was the victim of unprecedented abuse from Chelsea players, including Didier Drogba, Michael Ballack and England captain John Terry. He was forced to run from the tunnel to seek refuge on the pitch.

Police were so concerned about his safety that they changed his hotel before organising his secret exit from Britain. Today police in Ovrebo's home city of Oslo said they were investigating threats made on the internet, which has been flooded with messages including the referee's address and warnings that fans will “hunt him” and “kill him”.

An Oslo police spokesman said: “We are watching closely what is being posted on the internet. Anything we believe would threaten his personal safety will be taken seriously.”

Former international referee Graham Poll said today: “This morning he's being smuggled out of our country under police escort — this is a referee of a football match. That is a disgrace.

“When he booked in a hotel they had to change the hotel he was staying at because of the fear that maybe fans would find him.”

Poll blamed the players for stoking the fans' anger. He added: “When you see players acting like that, fans are called fans because they are fanatics — they may feel it's time to take action themselves.”

He said that Drogba and Ballack's behaviour was “a dreadful display of petulance”, adding that stewards at Chelsea had failed to step in quickly enough to protect the referee. “Players should show some restraint. They should show some respect.”

The controversy began when Ovrebo denied Chelsea a series of penalties in last night's match.

The referee was branded a “f***ing disgrace” by Chelsea striker Didier Drogba ,and was today accused of taking a bribe by defender Jose Bosingwa, after denying them four penalties.

The campaign against Ovrebo has echoes of the case of Anders Frisk, a referee who faced a hate campaign after another Chelsea versus Barcelona match. Chelsea's coach at the time, Jose Mourinho, accused him of “adulterating” the outcome of a match. Frisk eventually quit as a referee.

On Yahoo Answers, a user has posted Ovrebo's address in Oslo. Threats were made on Chelsea fans' forums including CFCnet and The Shed End. One fan wrote: “I want that ref assaulted” while another said: “I will kill him.”

On Facebook, several groups were created by this morning dedicated to abusing the referee, including one titled “Kill Tom Henning Ovrebo”.

The creator of one group states: “We group dedicated to the hunt for (and brutal murdering of) the second-leg champions league ref of Chelsea vs Barcelona.” Mr Ovrebo was pursued into the players' tunnel by Drogba and Ballack with the Ivorian hitting the wall with his fist as abuse was screamed at the official.

The witness said one player shouted: “Tell the world that Uefa didn't want Chelsea in the final.” There have been suggestions that Uefa does not want a second all-England final after last year's game between Chelse and Man Utd.

Ovrebo, 42, works as a psychologist outside football. In Euro 2008, the Italian Football Federation demanded an apology from Uefa after he incorrectly ruled out a goal by Luca Toni in Italy's match against Romania. Afterwards, Ovrebo admitted he had made a mistake and was not assigned any more tournament matches.

He should just retire. . . .

And full-back Bosingwa told Portuguese TV station RTP: “I do not know if he is a referee or a thief. There are no words to describe the person that was on the pitch here.

“We are all sad, but we have to raise our heads high again. There is nothing to say about Barcelona's goal, but there were penalties that were not awarded.

“The way he refereed the match was not the most correct one. He should never referee again.”

I agree.


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23686858-details/Chelsea+scream+blue+murder+as+referee+gets+death+threats/article.do

@ Debosky and Eastbay,

You two are some of the slowest motherphockers I know. Would we be talking about the referee if we finish the biz on our part?

We did finish the biz on our part! We won our penalties through our pressure. The ref had assumed that Barca would not come back into the game cos we were so dominant defensively and in terms of chances created and decided not to give us the penalties. That is why Drogba told him "You cannot do this!" - at the end of the game.

It doesn't take a psychologist to analyse what Drogba meant by "you cannot do this". It is an intuitive recognition that the referee was keeping things close just to keep the game alive. The game was over by 70 minutes in reality. Chelsea as far as I am concerned were 3-0 up and coasting. Hence Drogba's words. The referee was playing God, not applying the full letter of the law. Unfortunately, he got caught up in the occasion. This is a moral failing (as evidenced by his wilful decision to place Dani Alves foul on Malouda outside the box). Both Drogba and the referee know this. It is not that the referee was in favour of Barca. It is that he wanted to provide the entertainment by keeping the game close. It came back to bite him.

Man, the injustice is grating.

Paddypower bookmakers have announced that they are returning money to all punters who bet on Chelsea to reach the final because of bad officiating.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=cmp&cid=82&AFF_ID=368

Chelsea v Barca Refund

After the referee seemed to forget where his whistle was everytime the ball was in and around the Barcelona penalty area in the second leg of the Champions League semi-final to deny the Blues some pretty clear cut penalty decisions, Paddy Power are doing the decent thing by refunding bets placed on Chelsea to win the second leg encounter and to qualify for the final. Applies to singles only

I think that sums it up.

www.goal.com

[center]Chelsea's Didier Drogba Continued To Insult Referee In Tunnel - Report[/center]

The Ivory Coast striker was seen confronting Tom Henning Ovrebo on the pitch after the game, and it is claimed that he carried on out of the public's sight,

According to a report in the British tabloid The Sun, Chelsea forward Didier Drogba continued to confront the referee from the Champions League semi-final second leg against Barcelona down the tunnel after the match.

The Ivory Coast international was seen screaming his frustrations in the direction of the Norwegian match official, Tom Henning Ovrebo, on the pitch following the Blues' 1-1 draw with La Blaugrana which saw the Spanish giants progress to the final on the away-goals rule.

However, it is claimed that after the 31-year-old, who had been substituted in the 72nd minute, was pictured insulting the official on the turf after the final whistle had been blown, he continued his rant down the tunnel on the way to the dressing rooms.

"Drogba was coming down the tunnel with ref Ovrebo alongside him. He kept shouting at Henning and the referee stopped," an eye witness is quoted as saying.

"Drogba turned towards the ref and put his face just three or four inches from the ref’s face and kept shouting. He told the ref, ‘This is a f***ing disgrace, you don’t have respect, something like that can’t happen. You can’t do that.’

"All the time he used his hand to intimidate the ref further. He kept slamming his hand to the wall just inches from the ref’s face. Ovrebo looked terrified — but never said anything.

"Drogba looked crazy. He had lost control. But he never laid a finger on the ref, even though his behaviour was anything but civil."

Apparently, Michael Ballack also started abusing the referee, at which point the 42-year-old decided to return to the pitch in order to escape.

Ricky Brooks, Goal.com

Well done Didier. You should have thumped the bastard.

Arsenal have a lot of hope for next season, if only AW would do the right thing. All it needs is a couple of defenders and a good DM, maybe a new goalie and Arsenal will be competitive again. The only problem is that AW is stubborn. The board have said there are millions to spend. Spend it and stop this ludicrous obsession with promoting unripe youngsters.

Dayonazi, stop misyarning. You think we are like Bayern who get raped with no vaseline? The fact remains that under any normal circumstances, we raped Barcelona. The score should have been 3 or 4 if the ref made the right decisions. All the newspapers say there were at least 2 incontrovertible penalties in that match, and another 2 more which could have been justified.


"Ovrebo admitted to the UEFA match delegate that he had made significant errors" - The Times


UCL is a highly politicised competition. Can you imagine they are talking about banning Drogba for a long period? If I were Chelsea, I would be demanding an unreserved apology from UEFA and seeking compensation. I am no longer interested in this competition. Too much politics.

Pataki, sharrap dia! When big boys are talking, you sef dey put mouth. You think we are like you who got disgraced and embarrassed like pigs yesterday? You do not belong in UCL company. Nairaland front page reads like this:


(1.) Barca snatch victory from Chelsea

(2.) Arsenal humiliated by Man Utd


Abeg check your level sharp sharp. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. When big men fall, the weakest men rejoice the loudest.

Criz, pls take it easy on my boy Nateevs. This is a difficult time for us Chelseans. Why you dey antagonise na?

Infact, because of all you scummies yarning nonsense, I am supporting Barca in the final.

Nateevs, we have work to do. Remember what we did to Anders Frisk a few years ago? We gotta do it again.  

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/05/06/1250149/guus-hiddink-backs-chelseas-furious-players-after-barcelona-injus

[center][size=14pt]Guus Hiddink Backs Chelsea's Furious Players After Barcelona 'Injustice'[/size][/center]
Guus Hiddink just about managed to keep his emotions in check after seeing his Chelsea side eliminated from Europe by a late Andres Iniesta stunner.

Michael Essien's early goal looked to be taking the west London side to the Champions League final until the death, when the Spanish side, by then reduced to ten men, found a late away goal.

However, the real talking points of the game were the four or so penalty appeals which Hiddink's troops saw waved away by Norweigian referee Tom Henning Ovrebo.

Didier Drogba described the outcome on camera at full-time as "a ******* disgrace." His gaffer didn't go that far, but he was nevertheless far from impressed.

"I'm still very disappointed," Hiddink said to Sky Sports after spending a long time with his players. "It's not easy to analyse the game when the adrenaline is running.

"Regarding the appeals, I won't say what we really feel, but it's an injustice. [Gerard] Pique and [Samuel] Eto'o shouldn't have had their arms up.

"It's sad to see. There's situations like Drogba, who was having his shirt pulled, and Malouda, who was grabbed inside the box [by Dani Alves allegedly]. It's also a penalty.

"It's not just one doubtful call. Ask the people who put the referee in charge of this game [about it]."

Chelsea did have other chances, though, and Barcelona's Eric Abidal was sent off, despite making minimal contact as he chased Nicolas Anelka.

"The red card? it was difficult," Hiddink admitted.

"We should have scored from open situations, too."

Ending with a word about the furious conduct of the likes of Drogba and Michael Ballack at the end of the contest, the Dutchman added, "I can fully understand [their reaction] in the emotion of the game. [size=14pt]I thank my players for this emotion[/size]."

No thank you Guus!

I am fully in support of the players reaction and I am happy that my manager is also in support. I have also lost my composure many times playing football and their reaction is completely understandable. Every player who is worth his salt should react the same way. Even Prince William (Petr Cech) lost his head.

Nateevs, dont bother arguing with these scumtwats. They're just trying to incite you to violence. They know you're emotional right now. Come and join me in downing this bottle in my hand.

Warfy boy, I feel you. Im just about to open a bottle of Southern Comfort here and spark up a cigar. Care to join?  

Presido sharrap. For all ya yapping, the only team that deserved to win todays match was Chelsea. On another day, this was a 4-0 match.

Crizzle, what do you call Abidal's penalty (and subsequent red card) in the first half. Malouda nko? We were robbed at least 3 times in this match.

Im fully in supprt of Drogbas behaviour. I would have liked to see all ma players behave the same way. They should have laid hands on him.

Every politician in the West is required to release his medical records before elections. . . . I wonder if Yara will release his.

nateevs:
I am sitting here with utter disbelief . . . I only wish I can wake up from a bad dream. . .

Take heart my brother. . . . . its only a game. . .  

Some things just aren't meant to be. . . . Im starting to think we are the most unlucky team in UCL behind Valencia. . .

bawomolo:
I don't see you cheski fans yapping about the unfair redcard.

Abidal should have had red card in the first half for his penalty on Drogba so stop yarning nonsense.

Anyway, we walk away with our head held high. Arsenal on the other hand are an embarrassment to London.

Im supporting Man Utd in the final. Barca dont deserve nada.

HNIC kept it real.

The referee is a fuking disgrace. Drogba should have slapped him.

Of all the talk, Chelsea totally dominated the chances and should have had 3 CLEAR penalties, and another one which could have been given.

Oh well, tomorrow's another day.

Bosingwa needs to come off for Ivanovic NOW! Iniesta is having him for toast.

Anelka needs to put in more defensive work.

Referee should have given us at least one penalty by now.

Muki is now an admin.

switch47:
before plaintain enter Hot oil if you ask am he go say PLANTAIN for life, make e enter first story go change as all man go call am DODO!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Crizzle, I feel you. . . . . AW has passed his peak. Marseille President used to call him 'the eternal bridesmaid' cos he always came second in Ligue1, never first. . . . . . . now that the strongmen of Arsenal such as Vieira are no longer at Arsenal, he has resorted to this nonsense tippy-tappy football. . . .

Fabregas is a don and will always remain one. Any coach can see that Fab is lacking a bit of physicality. But one thing I trust Fab4 for is his runs off the ball and his passing game. Therefore he needs to be at the point of a three-man central midfield. Theres no difference between him Lamps and Gerrard if played in the right position. 11 goals in 13 games in that position last season should attest to that. There's no point playing weaklings like Nasri in central midfield and shifting the burden to Fabregas to cover him. CR7 is also still at the top of his game. The only man who can play left-wing, right-wing or striker and make it look natural. He is a physical phenomenom. Height, strength, pace, skill. . . . and the most accurate shot in World football. . . . Messi may be more skillful and probably better. . . . . but Ronaldo is the most complete footballer alround.

^^^^Ask Debosky. Djorou is a joke. In Arsenal, they have wastepipes masquerading as defenders. Even their best CB Kolo Toure is rubbish to me.