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Norsman, you this Viki man, na una dey spoil Niger Delta o! Abeg make una no dey give us bad name. Small time now una go pose like freedom fighters. Please leave militant activities to the real freedom fighters.

NFF are just hating on SiaSia because the kind of change he offers would require them to stop their corrupt practices.

I thought Bill O'Reilly was OK to Obama. . . .compared to Sean Hannity, we can say that Bill is in the centre of right-wing America. . . .although he is still too right wing to some.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=167941.msg2781902#msg2781902 date=1221067893]The economy was already volatile when Bill was ending his term and no one at our level would know how much of its base was buoyed by undeliverables.[/quote]I am glad you used the word volatile, unlike Sean Hannity who falsely claimed that Bill Clinton left in a recession. . . . the cause of such volatility was from the burst of the dotcom bubble and nothing to do with Government. . . . even the slowest idiot knows that Financial markets control their own cycles, not Governments. . . .  . infact, the US economy only entered the recession in 2001 after September 11th. . . . yet, the least one could expect is that the Government is prepared for a recession when it hits. . . 

. . no one here is blaming George Bush for the subprime collapse and the credit crunch which followed. . . . we are blaming him for not having enough cash to protect American industries having spent it all on the war and God knows what else. . . if the Republicans could run up a deficit of $57trn during a time of plenty, what will they do during a time of recession?

The cost US default swap (or the cost of insuring against five year US govt debt) rose 17.5% meaning it now cost $17,500 dollars to insure against $10m. Is 'Rome' on fire?

People are raising the premium on US govt debt i.e the risk of borrowing to Yankee is higher - and you guys are here celebrating some bitch with a journalism degree and a man who claims to know nothing about economics.

QuotaSyste:
My question is, why can't your people look towards emancipating yourselves from this clog and live on your own? Can't you live on your own in your own Ijaw country with all your oil and develop yourselves at your pace without being ruled by any outside force? What are you people afraid of? There are no longer Igbos to be afraid of. Are you people born to be ruled? What is with this master is better that the other master?

Quotasystem, your tribalism is too much abeg. Sometimes, it takes over your rational thinking.

It is not about being ruled by an outside force. An Ijaw country is not a viable proposition. Firstly, our borders are too porous. We also host many communities within us who are not Ijaw such as the Ogoni's and many many others. For example, you could have two Ijaw islands with another non-Ijaw island inbetween them. What you are talking about is impossible.

If you ask the average Ijaw man, he is happy to live as part of a country called Southern Nigeria. If not Southern Nigeria, then he is happy in Nigeria as long as his rights are respected.

More grease to their elbow. Thats $4bn coming into the Nigerian economy every year.

I wonder though, what is the cost to Nigeria in bad PR?

If someone can put a figure on that, we can decide whether Yahoo is a net gain or net loss to the economy.

All of you shut the phock up!

Who cares how many Walmart mums joined the Republicans?

I swear, only university graduates should be allowed to vote.

By the time South African elections come around, I am sure you will join me in agreeing that only university graduates should be allowed to vote because Jacob Zuma is going to win the illiterate vote.

However, that doesn't make him the right candidate.

I have noticed this campaign has degenerated into a negative campaign ala Republican style. Nobody is focusing on the issues anymore. Republicans are Kings in that respect. Always promoting divisive and racial politics. Lets get back to the issues. Fox News has been profiling Sarah Palin for the last few days. We have met her sisters, brothers, pastors, friends, fellow hunters. . . . nobody is asking about her politics. Brainless morons will follow anything. Meanwhile Lehmann Brothers is on the verge of collapse and Feds have just announced that 30% of all Yankee banks could face foreclosure due to poor capitalisation and poor credit although they wont mention which ones because of the systematic risk involved.

Funny, I raised a point and nobody would take it up. Too busy in their mindless celebration of the Sarah Palin effect. Let me tell you, Sarah Palin is a dumb bitch with a carrier bag degree from a carrier bag university. Someone like Sarah Palin can never rise to the top if not for uneducated voters. A lot of people on this thread are more intelligent than Sarah Palin. Is this the phocking standard?

Please explain this:

Bill Clinton left a $400bn surplus and America now has a $57trn deficit. . . . . what happened to Republican rules on fiscal spending?

Deal with the phocking issues, not some tribalised celebration of moronic mindless drivel.

QuotaSyste:
Yes, very very correct. Am not surprised at all because slaves must always be loyal to their captors/masters.

If you contrast Yar'Adua's handling of Niger-Delta with OBJ's handling, you will know what I am talking about. Niger Delta degenerated into a farce due to OBJ's promotion of thug politics. A lot of these boys running around terrorising Niger-Delta are products of OBJ's style of election campaigning. Yar'Adua seems like a sensible, peaceful guy, not involved in amala politics.

Why do they put that wimp Colmes next to Hannity on Hannity and Colmes? Mind programming, I see. That guy looks like such a wimp next to Hannity. They should bring some ballsy mothaphocka to stand up to Hannity's blasphemous comments.

Especially when that prophet na Igbo man

opokonwa:
MEND reconizes that Yar'Adua is the only Nigerian president who has shown any real interest and sympathy towards the Niger-Delta cause.

Quite correct.

John McCain has claimed that he believes “there is a special place in hell” for Tucker Eskew and the others who were behind the push-poll that implanted the idea in S.C. voters’ minds in 2000 that he had fathered an illegitimate black child, but that sure didn’t stop him from hiring Eskew to help prepare Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.

McCains words were to the effect that "George Bush sometimes appeals to the darker side of our party to win elections."

Former officials of Sen. John McCain’s 2000 campaign expressed shock and disbelief Monday to learn than the GOP presidential nominee had hired South Carolina political consultant Tucker Eskew.

So why would McCain hire the same man who smeared his 2000 campaign?

Eskew, along with Warren Tompkins and Neal Rhodes, were key members of then-Gov. George W. Bush’s South Carolina team during the 2000 primaries. McCain and his team long held Bush, Tompkins, Rhodes and Eskew responsible for the various smears against McCain and his family in the Palmetto state during that contentious contest. […]

Asked if the McCain campaign would have a comment about hiring one of the South Carolina strategists the senator and his 2000 campaign team once held responsible for smears against him, McCain 2008 spokesman Brian Rogers emailed, “No.”

Alex is too slow on the turn to play DM. A good DM must be able to turn quickly.

Nobody brought up his voting record until you guys started spitting Republican propaganda about it.

And BTW, voting record has EVERYTHING to do with it. . . . John McCain voted for the Iraq war. . . turning a $350bn surplus into a $57trn dollar deficit. . . . yes, trillion!. . . . that is an unforgivable sin! . . . and you claim to hate big government. . . where is the economic sense in putting your country tens of trillions in debt just to put a few extra hundred billions on the income statements of oil and military companies and raise employment for soldiers?. . . .all this on fabricated evidence. . . . this is crass mismanagement of the highest order. . . .COMPLETELY UNFORGIVABLE!

And if the Iraq war has cost $1.3trn. . .  where did George Bush throw away the rest $55trn. . . .abi money miss road?. . . . or did it go toward the tax cuts for the wealthy. . . and how many new jobs did that provide. . . please do the Mathematics, let us see how many millions it takes just to create an extra job.

In Europe, every always realised the war was a fabrication. . . a stitch up. . . .Spanish Premier's head has rolled because of it. . . .now these same Republican idiots are talking about Iran. . . . what political leverage do you have to execute any strategy on Iran?. . . . and Fox News watchers still believe the war in Iraq was justified. . . . wait till they see the balance statement of USA's coffers. . . . if not for this Iraq war, I am sure America would have enough money to lend the banks to ease the credit crunch. . . . terrorism is increasing worldwide at a rate that Clinton never experienced. . . . and who is strong on security?. . . . bastards!

4Play,

Don't hate the game. I'm just reciprocating Republican propaganda in kind.


Without further adieu, if dudes wanna get technical, here are both senators voting records. Pull out any propaganda from that which you will:


http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/300071_john_mccain


http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/400629_barack_obama


You will see that American public have the opportunity to vote on the senate's performance record in there. Obama has 63.2% approval rating whilst McCain has 28.3% approval rating. This could mean that:

(a.) Obama is doing better than McCain in the Senate

or

(b.) Republican demographic is too uneducated to use or find facilities like this.



Anyway, na una carry eye see the voting records. McCains is no better than Obamas. Infact, he has sponsored and cosponsored less bills in this current Senate. You can also check their voting records, you will see that both of them abstained from voting, McCain even more than Obama.

lol @ Tayo-D giving David homework. . . . una go kill me with lafta for Nairaland o!

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=167941.msg2776813#msg2776813 date=1220980224]@Ibime,
There is no Bill like this. Was it enacted in Congo? [/quote]Please do your google search again and correct yourself promptly.

Hint: Just type in "Obama co sponsored a bill for increased breast cancer funding"

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=167941.msg2776765#msg2776765 date=1220979562]@ibime,
Can you see how many times you used the personal pronoun "I" in the submission above. yet like Biden, you don't think it is plagiarism to give credit to the source?[/quote]Excuse me that I didn't give you my source. . . . .is this another Republican tactic to cloud the debate? . . . I didn't give you my source because it was culled from a partizan website and I hate to use partizan references. . . . however, you cannot dispute the validity of the bills otherwise you would have by now. . . the fact that those bills are listed each with its own number should let you know that they can be checked for any discrepancies. . . . if the information is in anyway wrong, you would have pulled it up by now. . . . unlike your "Congo bill" propaganda which could be corrected by a quick google search.


I will leave you with something I found on http://johnmccain.meetup.com/31/messages/boards/thread/4804209. . . . . again this typifies the extremism of a lot of Republican voters. . . .the fact that this guy is on a John McCain forum spitting such extremist bunkum and nobody even bothered to scold or correct him. . . . this is the main reason why you Republicans should just forget about winning the black vote. . . .we may agree with your policies but the attitudes of some of your voters leave a nauseating smell. . . . .

Angelina - One other thing I wanted to mention is that McCain's chances of getting elected will skyrocket if we go to war with Iran. We should set up a letter-to-the-editor committee and network with other McCain supporters in other cities to write letters to newspapers and blogs demanding war with Iran. That might give Bush enough support to do it before he leaves office and then the American people might clamor for a battle-tested war hero like McCain.

A war with Iran would be over within a couple of weeks. We'll lose some ships and troops since Iran apparently has a bunch of Chinese Silkworm missiles, but Iran has no air force or navy and we can use tactical nuclear battlefield weapons on their major population centers. They aren't Christians anyway. Their soldiers will run when the Iranian people, who don't like their leadership, turn on them and our troops will be welcomed as liberators. Besides, war is good for the economy since it produces jobs. Also, Iran has a lot of oil that could pay for the war's costs. If we don't take Iran's oil, some other country like China or Russia will do it, so we should get there first. Afterwards, our oil companies can lower gasoline prices domestically which would be a big boost to the economy.

All things considered, I'm crossing my fingers for war with Iran. I hope that Bush has the courage to get it done.

Bill

P.S. We also really need some way to increase military enlistments. I don't see that happening and I don't favor a draft because I don't want my own sons to have to fight. Maybe we could work out some arrangement with Mexico?

We can expose more propaganda aimed at labelling Obama as lazy and flip-flopping:


Obama has voted "present" 60 fewer times than McCain.

McCain Misses 60% Of Senate Votes. At least Obama is there to vote present.

In April, Sen. John McCain became the most absent member of the Senate. According to the Washington Post’s votes database, McCain has “missed 367 votes (61.4%) during the current Congress.” In fact, CQ reports today that McCain hasn’t voted in the Senate since April 8. Sen. Barack Obama last voted on July of this year.

Funny how the Republicans, Palin specifically, have to reach back to the three years following Obama's graduation from college to make comparisons between her and him. Conveniently forgetting to mention him being a civil rights lawyer and teaching constitutional law. I guess Palin, with her stunning journalism degree knew better than to wade into that pool

Why not click on the link you provided and click on the cosponsors? Hillary is there along with Obama.

Kobojunkie and Kojo, stop derailing the thread abeg. Let people come and witness the distasteful propaganda Tayo-D and Negro are spitting here.

"Anyone who underestimates the intelligence of Americans is on to a sure money-maker" - Famous quote.

As usual, the uneducated redneck voter will believe anything you tell him about Obama's Senate record.

That propaganda about Obama only passing one bill into law to do with the Congo is a sure-fire tactic to play on racial fears.

i.e: Obama is only concerned about Africa.

And these two suckers, Negro Ntns and Tayo-D got sucked into it.

"The fly wey follow dead body enter grave will also be buried." - Famous Igbo quote.

They would have you believe that Obama is a lazy, colly-muddling freeloader only living off hype whilst the evidence to date points to a different story. This is a highly educated, sophisticated and successful young black man who has worked very hard to get where he is. And he didn't do it by nepotism or by marrying into rich society. . . . he did it by hardwork. Every last drop of sweat was expended to get where he is. I don't need to tell you the difficult challenges that one needs to overcome for a man from his background to be where he is today. Many of us have gone and are going through it and can definitely relate.

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=167941.msg2776046#msg2776046 date=1220974028]@Ibime,
Let's put this in proper perspective. If we are looking at who is able to get anything done through bipartisan support and the ability to unite the country, we have to consider averages.

Obama - Average of 1 Bill passed per 129 Bills (and still counting) sponsored.
Hillary - Average of 1 Bill passed per 177 Bills (and still counting) sponsored.
McCain - Average of 1 Bill passed per 34 Bills (and still counting) sponsored.

Doesn't this tell us McCain is a better achiever than both of these people put together? Infact, you have provided us with a more solid reason why the change we need is McCain  .[/quote]That thing you posted was Republican propaganda and the one I posted was incorrect and only reflects bills sponsored individually. I can now reveal Obama's true record:

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress. Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator McCain has sponsored or co-sponsored 1667 bills of which 17 have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 1987. . . . . .    

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_John_McCain_in_the_United_States_Senate

So please do that Mathematics again Mr Tayo-D.

The Republicans would love to isolate single bills which only have one sponsor to use as propaganda. The fact is that Obama needs not sponsor a bill by himself. He is used to working with people. This is crass and unacceptable manipulation of mathematical data.

Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate. His record is infact quite impressive for a junior Senator from Illinois.  Details below,       

I summarize Senator Obama's legislative record in the US Senate.  First I list the bills he sponsored that have become law.  Next I summarize the bills that he has sponsored or cosponsored since he became a US Senator in 2005.I have only included major pieces of legislation and have not summarized continuing resolutions or naming post offices, for example.His record suggests several priorities and the bills he supports address many of our most pressing problems.Most of his legislative effort has been in the area of Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills), health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills), consumer protection/labor (14 bills), the needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills), Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills), Foreign Policy (10 bills) Voting and Elections (9 bills), Education (7 bills), Hurricane Katrina Relief (6), the Environment (5 bills), Homeland Security (4 bills), and discrimination (4 bills). 

Of the 15 bills Senator Obama sponsored or co-sponsored in 2005-7 that became law:

Two addressed foreign policy:
-Promote relief, security and democracy in the Congo (2125)
-Develop democratic institutions in areas under Palestinian control (2370).

Three addressed public health:
-Improve mine safety (2803)
-Increased breast cancer funding (597)
-Reduce preterm delivery and complications, reduce infant mortality (707).

Two addressed openness and accountability in government:
-Strengthening the Freedom of Information Act (2488)
-Full disclosure of all entities receiving federal funds (2590)

Two addressed national security:
-Extend Terrorist Risk Insurance (467)
-Amend the Patriot Act (2167)

One addressed the needs of the Armed Forces:
-Wave passport fees to visit graves, attend memorials/funerals of veterans abroad (1184).

. . . . . . . .

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=167941.msg2775690#msg2775690 date=1220970762]In the mean time, only one of the measures Obama has sponsored as a US. senator has been enacted: a bill to “promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of Congo.” that Bill is sandwitch between two personal memoirs he's written. Is this the guy some are counting on to bring change?[/quote][quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=167941.msg2775777#msg2775777 date=1220971640]That legislation passed because it contained the keyword "pygmies".  His colleagues in Senate had no clue how to argue against that.  It could blowup as an opposition against "little people".[/quote]For you, that is a laughing matter. . . .Republican mentality seeping into your erstwhile African thinking. . . .On a Congolese thread, they may be discussing that the only thing Obama has done is call for Niger Delta militants to shun violence. . . . and they will be laughing about it, jesting that Obama's only record is helping out common Nigeria. . . . .  disgusting!. . . . still, this bill is of great interest to Congolese and Africans and as an African, this only helps to solidify my support for Obama. . . . . if you are going to argue against Obama on Nairaland, I suggest you do not poke fun at any steps he has made regarding Africa because that is a surefire vote-loser for you. . . . . I remember that some Republicans were arguing that Obama would not promote USA's traditional alliances with Europe but may soften foreign policy toward Africa. . . . that made me so angry ehn!

grafikdon:
Deepzone, could you please change that thing to Igbo? there is no such thing as Ibo. Thanks.

Abeg no vex for DeepZone. . . Ibo is a colonial mispelling that still survives to this day and many people still use it, including myself. . . . you know many tribes in Naija have different spellings eg Ijaw, Ijo, Izon.

Chelsea midfielder Michael Essien, 25, could be out for six months after injuring his cruciate ligaments playing for Ghana on Friday. (The Sun)


Where is Makelele now?

4 Play:
Obama wants to raise the corporate taxes and taxes for high-income earners.

I am glad we don reach the economy. On this, I must say, my approach is completely independent. I disagree with Obama raising corporate taxes. However, one monkey no dey stop show as per my support for him. If we look at America's corporate tax, we find that it is higher than even the so-called 'liberal Europeans' as Fox News likes to call it. 39% is way too much, compared with circa 30 - 35% in mainland Europe and 15% in Ireland. However, I also disagree with McCains policy of cutting income tax for the wealthy. The wealthy pay a lot of income tax and any reduction in that will see a significant reduction in the budget. Also, the wealthy are just as likely to spend money outside America as they are likely to spend in it. This represents a significant drain out of the economy. Cutting corporate tax and keeping wealthy income tax stable for the rich will not be to the detriment of the economy in any way. Those who are prone to being non-dorms are already non-dorms and finding cleverer ways to cheat the system all the time. Anyway, they should be adequately compensated by the cut in corporation tax. I believe cutting corporation tax engenders more entreprenurial spirit than cutting income tax for the wealthy and I am yet to be proved wrong on this.

4 Play:
If there is any lesson you should take away from life,it is the fact that the rich-the entrepreneurial and creative engine of the economy- are a crucial building block of a successful economy.

At the same time, we should remember that a society is not judged on its GDP but on the level of the weakest amongst it. Cutting income tax for the middle classes is something which is necessary on a human level. A lot of people are struggling with mortgages and bills right now and tax breaks for the middle class will ease unrest somewhat. Ignoring such disparities has led to many bloody revolutions and the communist societies that we so wish to avoid. It is in every countries interest to keep a healthy and balanced society. The extreme arguments do not work. Some at Fox news would label the European system to be left wing, but I believe the European policies are almost perfect. Social Healthcare is standardised, as well as Private healthcare for those who prefer expediency. I have always wondered how a country like America could have no social healthcare.

All this nyafu nyafu. . . .

All I know is that if Obama was white, he would at least be as popular as Clinton was in 1992 - at the very least! You think say na yam? Obama came to Europe and people in Germany were lining up the streets to see him. You think Gordon Brown did not have better record than Tony Blair in 1994? But the fact is that Tony Blair can hold a crowd, he is more affable and speaks better. Based on that, Obama in white skin would have been more poular than Bill Clinton. Obama belongs to a certain class of men whose personality is so strong that voters are drawn to them whatever their policies. Sarkozy, Blair, Clinton - he belongs in that category. People like this usually blow away all opposition. . . . Obama's policies are not much different to Bill Clintons in 1992. Whether cutting taxes for the middle class or reforming social healthcare, Bill Clinton and Obama have similar policies so I cannot accept his policies as an excuse for him not performing up to that level. . . . it must be something else if you know warra mean.

All these rednecks always voting for Republicans even though Republicans no get them for mind. All Republicans would do is cut income tax for the very rich and leave the very poor struggling to meet their healthcare and energy bills. America should cut corporate tax cos it is too high at 40%, cut middle class tax and leave the rich people to pay the same tax abeg. . . . the people who stimulate the economy are the middle class who actually spend their money in the USA while the rich spend their money in Monaco etc. . . . I don't buy that shit for a second.

Well, we all remember Kingibe's turncoat move against Abiola so I have no sympathy for him.

Goodluck Jonathan's life is in danger if he is not careful.