₦airaland Forum

Joezinho:
I remember reading an article in 2001 about how angry Osaze Odemwengie a player playing for Bendel insurance back then felt when coach Musa Abdullahi dropped him from the U17 world cup squad..

Fast forward to 2010,during my 3rd year in the university, I became UNN's director of Sports and was doing an article about him...Was shocked when I checked his wikipage, baba na 20 years as at 2001.

lol. Baba would have had to wipe out his records from Russia and Uzbekistan to enter Under-17 then. Niggas real age was known in CSKA Academy. He ended up using his real age sha.

The only niggas in that set that used something close to their true age were Osaze, George Abbey and Joseph Yobo. Yobo only cut his age by 2 or 3 years cos he is roughly the same age as George Abbey who he grew up with and who used his real age to travel to Europe on his mother's British passport. On official documents, Abbey senior Yobo with only 2 years which means Yobo did not cut too much.

andrewbaba44:
Mehn ,Olise and co age cheat madt be that ,baba go don commot nothing less than 15 years for him age

I understand sha ,life no easy and to Make it to the top in football is so hard

Taribo west remains one of the biggest age cheat in world football ,man was a world class player but age no allow am enjoy top football for long

Age gap then can be 5 to 12 years sef. They didn't have academies like now which have reduced the age gap a bit. Players like Olofinjana, Oliseh, Enyeama had fully finished University, even NYSC before going to Europe to claim a different age. Likes of Aghahowa was a Policeman and Yakubu was a painter before even entering Naija league for 2 or 3 years and then traveling abroad to claim 17. Others have been around Niaja league for 5 to 7 years before going for under-17 trials. Man must feed his family.

timbros:
Lol this this CAF TOTT in 1994. What are you saying?

Though the list does exist, his point of not comparing eras based on Wikipedia still stands. Nobody who watched the tournament will not put Oliseh as one of the first names on the list with Yekini, Elijah Litana, Joel Tiehi, Kalusha Bwalya and Ben Iroha. These were by far the 6 standout players in that tournament, with Koulibaly of Mali probably being squeezed out by Tiehi and Yekini in the striker spots.

The list is rubbished by the presence of Abedi Pele who did little and was knocked out in QF (Senior man award), the shoehorning of Amokachi in midfield (played as striker with zero goals and zero assists). Even Okocha inclusion is highly dubious as he wasn't a guaranteed starter though his only goal contribution of the tournament which was a beautiful double one-two assist for Iroha against Ivory Coast may give him a spot based on the wowness of that goal alone. So what this tells you is that was a time when DM work was not respected and they try to fit in as many forwards as possible to the TOTT. Pirlo performance in Euro 2012 gave value to the DM putting long balls to striker when it came to awards. Oliseh showed us that repeatedly in 1994 but it was barely noticed. If such performance is repeated today, Oliseh will not only enter TOTT but will win POTT outright. This is an example of the difference between what different eras give honour to that make Wikipedia comparisons across eras a foolish exercise.

Joezinho:
Lol. Very soon Andrew will tell us Yobo is better than Keshi.

That one is still very debatable. Yobo was a regular starter in Europe unlike Mikel the eternal bench man. Keshi also did not see success with Super Eagles till 1994. Uche Okafor actually displaced Keshi in AFCON final while Chidi Nwanu was brought in for World Cup to partner Okechukwu. By 1994, Keshi was more like Ahmed Musa is today, a senior man supporting the team from the bench and playing sometimes.

andrewbaba44:
I have watched Olise

His football career was just too short to point out many things , nothing really serious .

Our players too get hype then expecially ndi 94

Something you must remember when assessing Oliseh post 2001 is this is a nigga that has finished University at Unilag, probably done NYSC before going to Europe to claim 19. Our players don't last long then cos VAT was too much on their age. Even Taribo West who PH boys in football circles know for playing football since 1980s and has been playing NPFL since 1989 will come and be claiming 22 years old in 1996 Olympics

popizaino:
That was at craven cottage if my memory serves me right.

Brentford Griffin park. Ghana fans mocked us to pieces that day. The worst was one of my Ghanian friends saw me after the game and offered me a lift in a car full of Ghanaians. I suffered that day ehn.

Joezinho:
So would a 19 year old Mikel replace a 19 year old Oliseh at the World cup and not a 22-28 year old Mikel?

There is no age Mikel was whether 19, 22 or 30 that will replace a 19 year old Oliseh.

I've actually had the pleasure of watching both players live in the stadium for Super Eagles, Oliseh once and Mikel maybe once or twice. My last memory of Mikel was going to Brentford stadium to see Mikel look technically great at keeping the ball as usual, but saw Appiah and Essien run through him time and time again as Ghana smashed us 4-1. I stopped going to Super Eagles matches after that. I had been to all Super Eagles matches played in England since 2001 or 2002 where I saw Oliseh dominate the play against Japan at Southampton stadium. In DM work, what happens off-the-ball is as important as on-the-ball and this is where Obi fans have blindspot.

hensben:
It depends on the era, if it where to be old days Oliseh will start, in this modern day of football Mikel will start. It’s not possible for any super eagles coach to bench Mikel the way he broke out. Mikel star was just like Kanu then in the team.

The original question was start one, bench one and bin one between Oliseh, Mikel and Ndidi. That's not even a question, and the only Super Eagles success in 2013 you can point to, Mikel was given a comfortable role away from DM

hensben:
Mikel won national cup and was in team of the tournament, why can’t he come second in player of the year award holding in African soil.

You and I know that's a senior man thing and Mikel was not even better than Sunday Mba, Victor Moses and co in that tournament and did nothing in club football that year either except ride bench

hensben:
Nor mind them. They are even saying Mikel will not start in that super eagles team. Lol. Oliseh DM, Mikel CM, Okocha CAM will dominate. Not because he can not play DM or CAM but because he is a utility midfielder.

Do you know that Okocha himself was not a guaranteed starting player and only started 3 games in AFCON and 1 game in World Cup? How will Mikel enter a 4-4-2 team that Okocha cannot enter with confidence. Mind you, the original question is which DM will you pick, and in a 4-4-2 team with only one DM, and sometimes no traditional CM (SiaSia comes back to play CM), Mikel will never smell starting line-up. Nobody will be dropping Amokachi or Yekini to play a 3 man midfield. I will leave Raumdeuter to tell you more about how Nigeria was doing well in World Cup till Okocha was given shirt for Italy match.

andrewbaba44:
Okay maybe you are right ,I don’t know on how to get on the stats of those calendar year ,I can only do per season

The point is to show that Mikel placing 2nd in Africa POTY was complete fugazi.

andrewbaba44:
Olise won the afcon with a more talented super eagles team and we no go hear word ?

Mikel won the afcon with the likes of Sunday mba ,Juwon oshaniwa,oboabona who are all naija league based players and mixed with enyeama musa emenike and co

If I ask you where Ben Iroha, Eguavoen, Keshi, Yekini, SiaSia, Friday Elahor and even Amokachi were playing, you will find that that squad was full of players whose European clubs were on the level of Oshaniwas. That was a squad that used to take unemployed players like Isaac Semitoje and Nduka Ugbade to tournaments. By unemployed, I mean these players had literally been CLUBLESS for months when they were taken to AFCON and could not find an employer. The only player in a big club in that whole squad was Finidi. Amunike was even in Zamalek in Egyptian league. Their greatness comes from what they did on the pitch for Nigeria, not because they were playing for Barca or Madrid.

Thankfully we don't need magic to see that the same Sunday Mba you castigated was Nigeria's best player in that tournament. I don't need to prove to you that Oliseh was not our key player. I have done so by showing game-winning actions. I can do the same for Sunday Mba in 2013, but you can never do the same for Mikel. Mikel was the one accomodated in that tournament by Onazi who did all his defending and Mba who did all his running and scoring.

andrewbaba44:
According to you mikel started only 10 games in 2013 ,I guess that should be the 2012-2013 season ?

I need your answers before I get back to you

Because mikel started 19 games in the 2012-2013 season ,that was when Nigeria won the afcon ,he missed some Chelsea games due to injury and being out for the afcon

The proof is here man ,but I will wait for you to be specific with the season first .

Calendar Year 2013, Mikel did not start more than 10 league games. Prove me wrong

donstan18:
Any sincere person will agree that I’m the one dropping facts here and you’re being sentimental.

One thing you failed to understand is that you liking Hoe-Lisa over Legend Mikel doesn’t change the fact that Mikel is bigger, better and greater.

Incase you don’t get my point, you liking Hojberg doesn’t mean Busquet and Jorginho aren’t bigger and greater footballers, you dig?

It’s a fact that your sentiment will never ever change, you just have to admit that.

Since we started this argument, your point has been “I watched Hoe-Lisa and won’t do Wikipedia type of shiit”. Football don’t work that way, you must always and always understand that even someone that started watching match during Pep Barcelona time can thoroughly school you on how Busquet is a better DM than Oliseh and win you hands down before the crowd, but you’ll pick Oliseh over Busquet, these are simple stuffs!

You don’t even know when I started watching football, you can’t even guess if asked.

Facts don’t lie, online stats exist for a reason, you use it a lot, you dig online stats to backup arguments, but how you’re always quick to switch to “Eye test” when stats don’t suit your agenda needs to be studied.

I’ll said it again, there’s no metric you’ll use that Mikel won’t top Hoe-Lisa, absolutely none.

Individual awards
Individual stats
Trophies
Recognition
Achievements

Legend Mikel will top every football list ahead of Oliseh. Respect this Legend, he’s retirement is the reason we’ve been flopping since.

I gave you 3 key things to prove to me.

1. That Slowbi started more than 10 league games in 2013 calendar year when he placed second in African POTY. You have been jumping upandan since. This completely blows any credibility to that award.

2. Chelsea Young Player of the year award for 2007/2008 which you put up as evidence of Obis greatness, I asked you which young players were in Chelsea first-team squad in that year. FYI, only Salomon Kalou, but then again you are not very bright so I don't expect you to see something and understand it's import because you probably do not know the make-up of Chelsea first team squad in 2008 as intimately as I do, to know your arguments are founded on a pack of sawdust. WTF does Mikel winning Chelsea Young Player of the Year against Salomon Kalou mean to anyone with any iota of intelligence? I will leave unsaid an obvious fact here that Oliseh was most likely the best player in his teams as evidenced by the fact he got the big moves but Wikipedia won't tell you there probably wasn't online voting for Cologne, Liege or Ajax POTY back then in an era when people didn't even have mobile phones talkless of internet.

3. Which of those 4 Oliseh assists do you want to cancel to agree with your Wikipedia stats that he only gave 2 assists. Again, another proof that you are out of your depth relying on Wikipedia to tell you the value of Oliseh from a time-period you never witnessed.

Meanwhile, I showed you with visual evidence Olisehs impact on a tournament. You are now telling me Nigeria has done nothing since Obi, when Obis 14 year tenure was characterized by unthinkable failures and disgraces like repeatedly failing to qualify for AFCON and World Cup, and only success was in 2013, while Olisehs tenure was success upon success. If Abacha had not got Super Eagles banned from AFCON in 1996 and 1998, I'm sure Oliseh would have 3 AFCONS, at the very least 2 AFCONS to his name, another fact you probably have no idea of. Too many gaps in your knowledge.

At every turn, you have exhibited stùpidity, but want to force it through with agidi. Go to sleep, you can't prove agidi with me.

donstan18:
But you said he had 5 assists? Why 4 now?

And then, why is it always okay for you to bring stats from sites to troll Jorginho, but you fume when it’s used against your favorite players?

You also brought out stats to discredit Mikel’s game starting in 2013, now you don’t like Wiki stats again?

Stats said this, you initially said 5 assists. Who should we believe now?

You are being foolish and arguing for argument sake.

There is a reason Whoscored do not provide stats before 2009 and that's because data has become reliable as we make advancements in time.

Mikel starting only 10 games in 2013 is a fact as is all the data collected over Jorginhos career and I can quote them anywhere.

You cannot pull Wikipedia and tell me Oliseh only made two assists in AFCON 2014 when your eyes can see four clean ones. Some of those sites will even tell you data before a certain time may or may not be reliable. Opta was only founded in 1996 for example, long after this AFCON and probably didn't come to consencus and trustworthiness until deep into the internet era. Data those days relies on a journalist at the ground maybe sending a Teletext to BBC. And that's one the problem foolish young people make when comparing players from different eras by looking at Wikipedia, stats or awards.

It doesn't matter whether you call it 4 or 5 assists. I added the penalty assist and the preassist to show his influence. Anyone who watched the Ivory Coast game will understand the importance of that preassist because Ivory Coast were giving us hot and that goal made the score 2-2, after which we went on to win on penalties. All these attempts at distraction won't take away from the fact the Slowbie escort has never played a tournament for Super Eagles remotely comparable to this. Nigeria scored 9 goals in 5 games in that tournament and Oliseh was key to 6 of them, including 4 clean assists, a penalty assist and a preassist. Simple.

donstan18:
Lmao! Which one be PK assist, Pre-assist and post-assist nh?

Your eyes can at least view 4 clean assists there plus one pass that led to a penalty. But as usual, you went to Wikipedia to tell you what your eyes can see korokoro, further outlining your foolishness of relying on Wikipedia to argue things you never saw. Which of the four incidents below are not clean assists by any standard?


https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/c9027578f1354a34bc388958e1070cf0.gif

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/72d3ec03d23d4595b3eae973ec54de8e.gif

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/fce00be1f1084c3aae71d3653b815081.gif

https://j.gifs.com/P7AnW6.gif

For the record, the performance of Oliseh in AFCON 1994 tournament has never been matched before or since by any Nigerian midfielder. 5 assists in 5 games playing as a DM. Give-I-give escorts will never come close to this man who protects his defence with tenacity and speed, controls the game in midfield and supplies his strikers aplenty like Pirlo. This is all while playing DM. Anyone should show me a better tournament played by a Super Eagles midfielder ever. I will wait. What eyes have seen, Wikipedia will not tell you.


Final vs Zambia - winning assist

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/c9027578f1354a34bc388958e1070cf0.gif

Semifinal vs Ivory Coast - preassist for equalizer

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/c93edbd146144926b60842fd01c3a222.gif


Quarterfinal vs Zaire - two winning assists

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/72d3ec03d23d4595b3eae973ec54de8e.gif

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/e31b49cfd3aa4603a719d2f979277951.gif


Group stage vs Gabon - two winning assists

https://gifrun.com/programs/temp/fce00be1f1084c3aae71d3653b815081.gif

https://j.gifs.com/P7AnW6.gif

.

donstan18:
2011/2012, Mikel made 37 appearances, we both know what he did in they UCL.

While we count the 2012 he “Disgraced” Chelsea according to you, should we also count the fact the he won UCL in that 2012 by not getting carried?

I’ll say it again...

Individual awards, trophies, level of success, achievements and anything you can’t to use, Mike will top Hoe-Lisa.

There’s no rank or list that Mikel won’t come first before Hoe-Lisa.

These are facts. They’re clear, they’re out there, sentiment can’t change them.

I simply asked you to prove me wrong that Mikel only started 10 league games in the year 2013, and based on that, his African POTY 2nd place is fugazi. Cut the shalaye. I am waiting for your proof.

Adding up 5 mins appearances won't cut it. Thats the story of Mikel's career that looks good to you Wikipedia analysts cos Wikipedia won't tell you 80% of those appearances are at the end of match. First bench nigga to compete for African POTY. What a disgrace to Africa to allow a bench rider that can't displace Oriol Romeu and David Luiz from DM to compete for POTY.

donstan18:
Fact remains that he placed second in 2013 African Award and won 2013 Afcon with European trophy too.

Another fact remains that he made 38 appearances 2012/13 season and also made 36 appearances in 2013/14.

Bench warmers don’t make 74 appearances in 2 seasons for a club, winning National major trophy and European trophy.

Fact remains most of his appearances in 2012/13 came in 2012 where he disgraced Chelsea out of the UCL group stage and had us overran in midfield and slipped off the league.

Fact remains he was so useless as the only natural DM that Oriol Romeu a youth player was brought in to kick him away, and when Oriol Romeu got injured, managers made do with David Luiz in midfield or brought non-DMs in Ramires and Lampard to reprise the role. And everytime these managers went to beg for new DM, Emenalo shut them down to protect his brother, yet as the only DM in the squad, he still could not start more than 10 league games that calendar year, which is an utter disgrace.

Your 5 minutes cameo appearances at the end of the match won't help you escape the fact that Mikel Slowbie only started 10 league games in the Year of our Lord 2013, and won African 2nd best POTY as a POLLING BOOTH award for Sunday Mbas match winning performances in AFCON.

Sunday Oliseh will be damned to be the only senior DM in a club and have Oriol Romeu, David Luiz , Lampard and Ramires preferred to him all year in the DM position. That's how inept Slowbie was at the DM position outside the bus parking setup of RDMs UCL run. We thank God for the introduction of Onazi to Super Eagles that finally brought stability to the defensive midfield for 2013 AFCON after that escort had been disgracing us back to back in that position for 9 years.

donstan18:
2012/13, Mikel Obi made 38 appearances for Chelsea.

Did well in Afcon and won it.

They robbed him that award.

Everyone knows this.

Everybody knows that Benitez was in seat at Chelsea from late 2012 and saw out 2013 and Mourinho was in seat from August 2013 and both thoroughly hated Mikel. Mikel is even lucky that Oriol Romeu copped a knee ligament injury otherwise he wouldn't have made bench cos Benitez had already thrown him away for Romeu before that unfortunate injury allowed him to play here and there. Both these managers would rather play David Luiz in midfield than Mikel. This is the difference between those who know offhand and Wikipedia analysts.

How can a useless player who rode bench all year and whose club managers will rather play centrebacks in midfield have been robbed.

Mikel Obi only started 10 league games in the year 2013. That was the year he placed second in African POTY. Prove me wrong.

donstan18:
That 1998 was the Kay time Hoe-Lisa scored for Super Eagles, infact that was the only year he ever scored for Super Eagles.

But such person should be rated against a Legend like Mikel who bossed the midfield in the two biggest game of his career?

Never!

Oliseh won his award by being integral to Ajax double, finishing 17 points above PSV and trashing the same PSV 5-0 in the cup final, and also for his world cup performance

For the record, Mikel Obi only started 10 league games for Chelsea in the whole year of 2013. Both Benitez and Mourinho didn't like him

Same 2013, he placed second in African POTY thanks to the performance of this Warri Wolves player that helped Nigeria win AFCON

That's the definition of a SENIOR MAN polling booth award like the ones Dani Alves still used to win 5 years after practical retirement

donstan18:
Hoe-Lisa came 3rd, not 2nd. Mike is still bossing him in that settings.

You discredit Mikel coming 2nd, but wants to rate Hoe-Lisa for coming 3rd in the same award. Lmao!!

Based on this, Amuneke, Ikpeba and Moustapha Hadji > Okocha. Discuss.

At least we know Oliseh won his for performance on the pitch not for being the senior man in an AFCON winning team after riding the bench for Chelsea the whole year of 2013 and being thoroughly outperformed in the same tournament for which he was recognised by Warri Wolves player Sunday Mba.

donstan18:
Mikel’s awards? Chelsea young player of the year.. 2007/08.

Name one young player in Chelsea first team squad in 2007/2008

donstan18:
Runner up in African footballer of the year.

Wikipedia did not show you that Oliseh pretty much did the same in 1998 without even playing AFCON, just based on his European and World Cup performance alone.

Mikel was sent forth from Nigeria because they needed to recognise our Nations Cup win, and he was the only senior man there. Even local league player like Sunday Mba far outperformed him in that tournament

Jodera:
Words on Marble.


The bolded na the perfect conclusion

This is Diego Someones only individual award despite being easily one of the top 5 or ten DMs in the 1990s, which is Oliseh era

Yet the arrogant young man is asking me to go to Wikipedia and compare Obis awards to Oliseh. Only experience will tell you we didn't have much awards then, and not the kind of awards that defensive midfielders collect easily.

I would soon be told Obi is greater than Simeone by the arrogant young man given Simeone never won UCL nor any individual awards. Same UCL criteria he used to place Drogba above R9. Ego speaking.

donstan18:
Real legends won lots of individual awards in the 1990s, insults won’t save from argument.

Bring out Olisheh’s individual awards. I dare you.

Bring out Mikel's individual awards, let's examine them in comparison to Oliseh. You will start yapping about Under-20 Silver ball when Oliseh never played youth football for Nigeria, or will you start yapping about AFCON team of the tournament that never existed in Olisehs day that Oliseh will easily walk into?

Note this in closing. Oliseh was signed back-to-back by 3 recent UCL winners (Ajax, Juve and Dortmund). That's the equivalent today of a player going from Madrid to PSG to City to Bayern back to back to back.

Slowbie was made available for as little as £5m several times during his Chelsea career when he was unwanted by managers and nobody took the bait. The best we heard was interest from a decrepit InterMilan, while Mikel used his political connections at Chelsea to sit on his juicy contracts while hugging the bench and being unwanted by several managers from AVB to Benitez to Mourinho. The same Slowbie is bounced around Middlesborough to Trabzonspor to Stoke to China while Oliseh was going from UCL winner to UCL winner to UCL winner consistently.

Wikipedia can never tell you the value of a player you didn't watch.

donstan18:
Trophies and achievements are the major metric in rating players. That’s a fact.

Now let’s leave these major things and use individual awards.

Can you help me with Oliseh’s individual awards?

What is Obis individual award. Your foolishness of youth about to speak again via Wikipedia. But before you quote any foolish award, ask yourself whether that award existed in the 1990s

donstan18:
Who brought out link first to hype a player? You did!

Who started talking about performances in Tournaments? You did.

As I don choke you with the same energy, you’ve started talking about “Before my time” as usual. Why not bring their stats, achievements and trophies to counter as you normally do?

E hard you??

Oliseh is shiit and his biggest achievement was scoring long shot against Spain. Such person can never lace the boot of this legend.

You might as well tell me Ikpeba is greater than Yekini. Run to Wikipedia and pull up Ikpeba trophies won in Europe.

Oliseh record and performance with Super Eagles far far outmatches anything Mikel can bring to the table.

Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to AFCON like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to qualify Super Eagles to World Cup like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to take Super Eagles out of World Cup group stage like Obi did TWICE. Oliseh never failed to make AFCON final like Obi did 6 times. Oliseh won the Olympics against more or less the same Brazil team that won the 2002 World Cup.

Arrogance of talking about something you never saw is not a good trait in a man. It's ego speaking.

Godx:
You still don't rate Busquet who won champions league and numerous trophies without bus parking. You are never here or there. You will always have one area to hold on to. One minute you are criticizing Iniesta with stats then the next you will ignore stats when it gets to Fabregas and jump into work rate to suit your agenda.

Was Fabregas an attacking player for Chelsea, was Iniesta a defensive player? Busquet is as useless at stopping counterattacks as Mikel. That Xavi and co didn't let opponents touch ball to attack him is not evidence of his ability to be an effective DM on the halfway line

I spoke about supporting Ajax in 2009 or so, how much time did you spend digging on me to bring that up? I am now discussing with someone, you are bringing your obsession with me to the fore. Swerve with your negative energy. Don't quote me again.

donstan18:
Those two links I posted will always be greater than whatever Oliseh did in his career.

How will Mikel posting 1 assist in AFCON 2013 as a CM be greater than Oliseh posting 4 assists in AFCON 1994?

You too dey talk chochocho. Learn when to close mouth when speaking about anything before your time.

Nothing Mikel did on International stage will match Adepoju, talkless of Oliseh, the conqueror of AFCON, the conqueror of the greatest Brazilian and Argentinian teams ever seen in the Olympics.

Just use that UCL final bus parking hold yourself, after all Bosingwa is the greatest cemtreback the Camp Nou has ever seen based on that same bus parking.

donstan18:
Mikel on Chelsea biggest night in UCL 2012.

⏪ John Obi Mikel's key role in Chelsea's 2012 final victory 🔝

🏆 @mikel_john_obi #MondayMotivation | @ChelseaFC | #UCL pic.twitter.com/Cfuoi1diyD

— UEFA Champions League (@ChampionsLeague) April 26, 2021

This performance alone and achievement is bigger than whatever Oliseh did in his career.

Someone that would have turned to a dm under Mou.

Would never rate a DM over a bus parking performance just like Jogginghoe. When Mikel was asked to play normally in the next UCL, he disgraced Chelsea and knocked us out of the UCL group stage for the first time ever and had to apologise. Both Juve and Shakhtar completely overran him. Anything to do with running, just write off Slowbie. UCL 2012, he didn't have to run as Chelsea did not leave their 18 yard box.

And no, Mikel never won any Europa league. He was sent to the bench where he belongs after disgracing Chelsea all season.

hensben:
Can Oliseh even make it in that Chelsea squad. Who chased Oliseh from super eagles. Na that goal against Spain still Dey everybody memory.

Oliseh and Finidi started a protest against NFF prior to 2002 World Cup for unpaid bonuses hence were chased from the team for scrubs like Justice Christopher, Femi Opabunmi and the likes. NFF politics.

Oliseh as an Eagles player never once failed to reach AFCON final, won the Olympics, and put up our best showings at the World Cup. If not for CAF sanctions in 1996 and 1998, I'm sure he would have taken those two tournaments.

Slowbie was a disgrace for Super Eagles, getting overrun and bullied every tournament by every Mali, Ghana and co, failing to even qualify for AFCON twice and the world cup twice. They had to bring in real DM legs in Onazi and running legs in Sunday Mba for Super Eagles midfield to look competitive in 2013.

Clubwise Oliseh did his thing at Cologne, Ajax and Dortmund during a time when Africans get few chances. Obi was a perennial bench warmer in Chelsea being protected by Emenalo and having good relationships with Roman through his wife's father. Roman used to conduct business meetings in Obis house sef. Same Obi was chased and relegated from China, chased from Middlesborough, Trabzonspor and Stoke. He should thank God for political favour that kept him in Chelsea through his brother Emenalo and his Russian wife connection.