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Mahrez will be coming home unless they beat Ivory Coast next game. That will be one of our major rivals out if that happens

popizaino:
He should have tried hard by beating Liverpool in the Merseyside derby and the support would surely have been coming in, but the guy is another mourinho, declining year after year.

The minute Everton had a bad patch, they were always going to turn against him. Players who want to be lazy will also down tools knowing he can't last long. It just won't work long term and I don't know how Everton board thought it could.

Segedinho:
Had it be joginho was d one dat gave grealish dat breakfast.

Jogginghoe gave City 4 breakfast in the UCL final. Two of them were full English breakfast. Rudiger and Chilwell saved it with last minute blocks

Segedinho:
So according to u..pep was naive in d 3 encounter we had

When TT said he had learnt his lesson..what was he talking about..??his approach was to contain city and never cared about creativity so he over-crowded d midfields with 3 non-creative minds...

See...my opinion about d dead midfields in d just concluded match isn't solely on kova-kante ...it included both pulisic and ziyech who were too lazy to help out....

But the core of d problem was kovacic and Kante who were just below what was expected...

Ziyech was dead in sync both d attack and d mid...Nobody was readily available to do a quickie with Kante .......

So you've gone from Jogginghoe absence being the cause to adding Ziyech and Puli to the mix.

For the purpose of this discussion, Ziyech and Puli is part of the attack that failed in counterattack transitions according to TT, not part of the midfield.

You said Jogginghoe was the one pinging balls to the attack but I'm sure you can't recall one such incident in the UCL final. What happens in the UCL final is Kante, Mount or Werner receive the ball on halfway line, they see City don't have many players back and they run. As far as them receiving the ball on that halfway line, we did not do more in the UCL final than we did yesterday. The chances to run were just less due to City controlling their backspaces, not because Jogginghoe was absent to play his 30 backpasses that have nothing to do with them receiving the ball on halfway line. Kova pass for Lukakus chance yesterday was more evidence of progressive play than anything you can recall from Jogginghoe in UCL final

Anyway, TT disagreed with you, most observers disagreed with you, so you can say anything to console yourself about the absence of the jogger, it doesn't matter.

Segedinho:
That was how i brought out Joginho's number of matches and u started saying otherwise until I brought receipts.

Maybe you watched the match with agenda cos u already drew out what u might dish after your words of "no team can win d UCL with 3 at d back".

U might think possession and conquering are interwoven.

Tell me how many balls got to our attackers from the midfielders yesterday vs UCL final.

Tell me d chances created?

How many balls d midfielders lost from city's press??

For ur info...their midfielders didn't conquer ours .....there are difference bw better and conquer..

UCL final, UCL final that Pep went gung-ho meaning almost any ball you drop into City's half becomes a counterattack.

Our midfielders didn't drop balls into attackers feet more in UCL final. They dropped less. The difference as I said is Pep is not naive anymore to leave City overstretched at the back. There is a difference between when attackers receive the ball for a 3 v 3 counterattack and when they receive it for a 3 v 5 counterattack. The attack will die more frequently or not be attempted. Not because our two CMs were splitting City open in the UCL final. That's arrant rubbish. The midfield job of giving the attackers ball on the halfway line was achieved more in this game than in the UCL final. The only difference is the quality of attacks from that point (as TT pointed out) and the numbers City left deeper to quash those counterattacks. Some blame the attack. I say it's a combination of poor attack but also the numbers Pep left behind . I am not the only one that noticed it.

Also tell me how the midfield fared in this job in the first leg at Stamford Bridge which is the nearest and most appropriate comparator. You guys think everyday is Christmas and keep getting carried away with high expectations from last season, meanwhile Pep mumu done do and he's no longer exposing his teams to easy counters naively.

Midfield did not do any better in UCL final, the difference is the control of space. You can't name one memorable ball Jogginghoe laid into the attack in that UCL final, and if you want to continue down this unrealistic line, tell me why he couldn't lay balls into the attack at Stamford Bridge in September which was worse than this performance.

Segedinho:
The answer was an in-form joginho and a no nonsense Kante who knew what to do..

Joginho was readily available to take passes from him and do a safe quickie .

But here..kovacic would be in jos and Kante would be in maiduguri....before u blink he will pass d ball to city's

In Our previous match..

We had a working midfield and we rightfully match theirs.

This gave pep headache...he rotate about 3 times yet no answer.

We won last year due to our forms and the players sacrifices.....

Here...kovacic n Kante were extremely useless and clueless...kovacic gave grealish breakfast...while Kante miscalculated his tackle on KDB.

Learn to watch ball without agenda

They conquered the midfield last season. Stop lying to yourself lazily.

Yesterday was the most possession we kept in our last 5 encounters.

We never beat Man City because we conquered the midfield. We beat them with counterattacks, good goalkeeping and a bit of luck

You don't know how to differentiate between the hope some counterattacks give you and whether your midfield is competing evenly

basilico:
I didn't know that. Thanks for bringing it up
Dont you think it has a weird connotation whether its from the parents.
Would you consider such a name for your kids?

Buttigieg is a Maltese name, while Maddow is a common English name.

If your surname means something else in another language, na their wahala be that. Trump is also a German name that means fart in English.

donjazet:
As a matter of fact, as you can see with the picture below, Chelsea is one of only 5 teams that have outpossed mancity since he came to England with jorginho having had the highest passes that day in 2019.

Lie softly. Kovacic says hi.

Also I won't criticise Kovacic for covering a position where he is not a specialist and doing better than the natural in that position. You go wait tire.

donjazet:
[s]Yesterday, I asked Ibime severally what he thinks was responsible for our loss.

Ibime said mancity is obviously stronger than Chelsea and he expected us to lose the game even before it started. I had also earlier asked him why we lost the midfield battle and he said mancity always wins the midfield battle even against stronger teams.

But here is this same Ibime criticizing jorginho against mancity last season?
You can see the negative bias against jorginho.
Yesterday we saw how kovacic made 3 costly errors that led to goal scoring chances which the defenders and goalkeeper bailed us out on.

We also saw kante consistently dispossessed and making 2 errors too of which one led to the goal.

Ibime was awkwardly quiet about our failure in the middle. He didn't castigate any of these errors but watch him rush to highlight every single fault he and misstep he could find against jorginho.
See the double standards he has.

Someone being objective enough to his biased scapegoating.


Here Ibime is pointing out passes jorginho made in his 75 mins against mancity but is silent on the passes kante made yesterday as the holding midfielder for 90 mins. This is despite now acknowledging that mancity is indeed a very strong unit. A team that even outpossed PSG home and away this season and Madrid last season. As a matter of fact, as you can see with the picture below, Chelsea is one of only 5 teams that have outpossed mancity since he came to England with jorginho having had the highest passes that day in 2019.




So we can see. When it comes to jorginho, all knives are out, when it comes to kovacic, kante. A deafening silence befalls us. It can only be a hater.

Rodri who he tagged an escort is who has also played his own part in making the mancity midfield a behemoth, imagine what jorginho with his record breaking passes a match would do in a Guardiola system. [/s]

Rubbish.

You can spin any story you want, it won't justify your foolishness to go bet on Chelsea to win at the Etihad.

We did not lose the league yesterday but against several other teams including Brighton two weeks ago where Jogginghoe was bullied all over the pitch by Bissouma.

I spoke extensively yesterday about Kovacic passing yesterday in comparison to Jogginghoe showing Kovacic doing much better than Jogginghoe against the same opposition. It's a shame when we start comparing an escort who is only in the team for his passing to hardworkers like Kova who do a lot more besides passing, and still beast him in passing. When your playmaker hides on the pitch and can't beat yeomen in passing, what is he on the pitch for? Did we pay him to pad passing stats against Crotone and Newcastle who we would beat without him?

If you have any further questions about why Jogginghoe was benched yesterday, direct them to TT. I only came to state that TT did not trust him. Focus on that.

basilico:
Reading what you write is no different than listening to leftist media hacks. Top on my list is Rachel Maddow.
Why do some of these leftists of the Lets Get Brandon To Quit ( LGBTQ) movement have funny names like Maddow. Another is Pete Buttgieg. What parents name their children such weird connotation of names in today's age?

Isn't that their surname that the parents also bear?

Andre Gomes had a nightmare for Everton today

We've already won our AFCON Group based on head 2 head with Egypt. Eguavoen should allow the 2nd team play against Bissau, let the main players rest

donjazet:
Good, I see you've started calling names.
So today alonso, sarr, ziyech and kepa {our best player today} are to blame for us losing today ba?

You didn't know you had these names before putting your hard earned money on Chelsea?

A taller goalie saves that De Bruyne shot BTW.

donjazet:
Ibime you are usually more succinct when making your points. Don't be coy.

Can you please tell us clearly why you had already surrendered before the match had already began?

Why didn't you have any hope of us winning the match?

Even people wey carry Salah, Mane, VVD, Fabinho, Jota, Trent, Robertson, Henderson etc go Etihad don't expect to win.

You carry Ziyech, Alonslow, Sarr, Kepa etc go Etihad come dey expect me to join you in delusions.

If your ticket cut, no carry me join for your vexation abeg.

donjazet:
Why didn't you expect a win from Chelsea?

You mean that before the match you've already surrendered??
I'm eager to hear why?

Same way I didn't expect a title challenge while you got carried away.

The bookies gave you odds of 5:1, need I explain more? That's the reality, they are better than us, but some choose to delude themselves.

popizaino:
I wonder how this simple analysis is difficult for people to understand, Android.22came out to explain but they still feel it is lukaku who didn't press that cost us the game. My own is not to talk too much but keep laughing out of ignorance of always looking for problem were there is none.

Lukaku poor hold up play did not help but I won't go as far to say it cost us the game. The pressing thing is a bit of a red herring. Imagine a team that plays in its own half believing high press is its main hallmark. Someone went to the bookies and was offered odds of 5:1. That means they are considered better than us 5 times out of 6, some think say na Lukaku pressing make us lose. Another said he will score against small teams and everyone will now celebrate.

Bear in mind Lukaku in 918 minutes has scored 5 goals against Arsenal, Villa and Brighton, decent teams. But his alternative Havertz has played 930 mins and scored two goals against Burnley and Liverpool. Yeah, swap Lukaku for Havertz and we will automatically beat City away from home. It's that simple.

User09:
I doubt it. Based on his post-match comments, he wanted a setup similar to last season. I wonder why he put a combo of Puli-Ziyech-Lukaku. Poor press all around. The 3 combined had 71 total touches all match. Shambolic

That's because too much emphasis is placed on the press. What TT criticised was the ability to keep the ball and make the right decisions on the counterattacking transitions, not the press. If he cares that much about the press, he will never combine our three worst pressers in Ziyech, Lukaku and Puli upfront.

olabode89:
quota system 101.

The guy can't even run. He looks like them Eastern European strikers that only wait for ball in the box. We hardly play box football in AFCON, it's mostly running football.

popizaino:
How convenient they want to start complaining about Ziyech today or any other player when I spent the most part of last season calling out this players but what did I get in return? Your guess is as good as mine. Now we must enjoy this players together in fact they should extend their contracts .

TT did himself. If people claim our pressing will always win City, how does the combination of Ziyech with Lukaku and Pulisic help? If TT feels Lukaku must start and pressing is important, then Werner, Mount should start alongside. Even Lukaku will be gingered when he sees Werner and Mount potentially about to force a mistake.

Anyway too much is made of the press. We scored City on counterattack last season and Pep refused to allow more than 4 of his players to be ahead of the ball at any time to guard against it. The rest of play was the same or even better than we usually play them, there were just few opportunities for counterattack. Because you chopped awoof last season does not mean managers won't learn and adapt and you will keep chopping awoof.

NinjaXmetahuman:
Awful first touch sadiq

Why did they even carry this guy on the plane sef. Man has nothing

donjazet:
What was the reason for our loss today?

I didn't expect a win. Those who did should go and question their bookmaker.

BlueMann:
Lewis Baker has joined Stoke

Now one free registration spot available, perhaps for Kennedy.

Yep. Goodluck to him. I believe we will see him in EPL before long

lordfalcao:
They might be reasons Jorginho didn’t play today and one of them is not this imagination you cooked up here

What's the reason he didn't play today and Vs Liverpool?

This Awoniyi sef is all labour and little composure

EmmanuelScott1:
Iwobi say HI

Starting forward. Iwobi na sub na

Simon!

All our forward line have now scored in the tournament. Looking good.

donjazet:
What happened to us today Ibime??

Why did we lose today's match?
Enter this trap na.

There is no trap. You set yourself up for trap by blaming his absence on our lack of dominance, only to get his stats against City rubbed in your face

Anyone is likely to lose against City so I don't see any fuss. Only a deluded fan will go and bet on Chelsea to beat City. Shows his wonky understanding of football.

All you need to worry about is why TT don't trust your man.

BlueMann:
Joe Aribo is growing on me

Never in doubt. He's the best partner for Ndidi we have got.

donjazet:
Jorginho has bossed the passing stats eons ago.

Stop deflecting Ibime.

What was responsible for our loss today?

Show me one match he did so against Man City from 2018 to date

donjazet:
Once someone defaults to whataboutism, he has lost the argument.

There was no jorginho today, yet his hate would only let him see everything through the "jorginho hate" lens.

Ibime, why were we horrendous today?
What was responsible for the shambolic display from us today that jorginho was absent?

Also remember that it was rodri who you termed an "escort" that uselessed kante and kovacic.

Again, what happened to us today Ibime?

I will tell you if you tell us what made us lose the midfield battle even worse at home

I saw you as usual trying to link City's midfield dominance to Jogginghoes absence. Only you can be lazy enough to draw such a conclusion. 44% possession today, 41% with Jogginghoe at home. 59 passes for Kova today, 34 for Jogginghoe at home. When I say you are lazy, you will say it's a insult.

donjazet:
Ibime what made us lose the midfield battle today?

Certainly not the absence of Jogginghoe who has never won a midfield battle against City since he came to England. Those who replaced him did better.

Segedinho:
Our last 5 games vs city...

Chelsea with jogs on d field..

UCL 1

Premier league 1

Fa cup 1 (as a sub).

PL..lost (with jogs)

Today lost(without jogs)...


This one too hard to understand?

Jogginghoe did not start our 2-1 win against City in the league last season