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lordfalcao:
we will save this post so the day we win the league. You won’t tell us another long story

You and anyone who thinks we would win the league with Jorginho as starting DM are seriously foolish

homesteady:
I can't remember the last match where Busquets was this dominant. He is literally everywhere, causing fouls, stopping counters, heading corners....

Which counter did he stop? Someone the referee lapped on the counterattack for Chiesas goal

homesteady:
The list is not yet out and you are already conceding defeat.
So if the likes of UEFA like DM's who keep possession, why hasn't Busquets gotten so many individual awards?

Because I have already seen how they gave him MOTM award in a game where he conceded 3 goals and could not award the scorers or assisters or even Modric who pushed Spain back and had a wonderful assist. I already know it's ninnies on the technical committee, the type that gave Iniesta POTM in a tournament he had no goal output.

The type of ninnies who will give a DM award despite being lapped by a referee on a counterattack

airmark:

Even the referee lapped Busquet

Homesteady is this not a disgrace? No wonder Barca will be conceding 8 goals in 90 mins in UCL these days with DM that can't outrun a referee.

Mind you, I'm sure the referee even slowed down so as not to interfere with the play in the box

What people need to understand is Jorginho is a player of two extremes. You can't win league with such players.

When playing powderpuff teams, he can dominate possession.

When playing big teams, he can't dominate but will park the bus and he will do well because his lack of pace will not be exposed in such tight areas.

The problem comes when you want to win the league and are facing midtable to top half teams like Villa, West Ham, Leicester and co regularly. Jorginho in these games gets troubled in midfield to where he can't dominate, neither can he park the bus against those teams. He has to play 20 yards further up the pitch and that's where he gets exposed, neither having total control of the ball nor sitting deep enough to not get exposed. That's where he turns basket, and that's where Chelsea drop most of our points to where we are a 3rd or 4th place team. Just check how.many points we dropped against these teams last season

Jorginho is never a player that Chelsea should consider making a mainstay if they want to be consistent in the league.

He is simply a bus parker against big teams and a controller against useless teams. That's a tournament player, not a league player.

Spain today turned him into those Slovakia and Swedish bus parking midfielders they met in the group stage. You can see how Modric and Brozovic drove Spain back in comparison. Who wants to keep battling for top4 every season should keep promoting Jorginho, till Douglas Luiz and McGinn catch him again next season.

homesteady:
Ibime, name one DM that did better than Busquets in this tournament.

It depends what you are looking for. The UEFA types will like to go with Busquet cos they will romanticise the DM who kept possession and disappeared from the TV camera view when his team was conceding goals

There is a DM in this tournament for England whose team hasn't conceded.

There is another DM for Denmark with three assists

Exonerate1:
Jorginho’s game by numbers vs. Spain:

120 minutes
81% pass accuracy

And a decisive pen in the shootout.

81% pass accuracy from 32 passes in 120 minutes = 26 successful passes.

What a disgrace

Exonerate1:
Let's count his Tackles, Interceptions and recoveries.

My man dey top every stats

I would rather die than count tackles for a player like Jorginho playing in a bus parking system.

If I want tacklers and interceptors, Jorginho will not be in my top 50 players to look for.

Move him 20 yards up the pitch from the parked bus and all those tackles he does in community defending turn to escort moments.

We did not buy Jorginho to park bus.

homesteady:
Let the official team of the tournament come out first, so that Airmark and Ibime can wail more when Busquets makes the team.

Polling booth award to a familiar name, just like they gave him MOTM in a game where his team conceded 3 goals and could not give MOTM to any of the scorers or assisters in a game where his team scored 5 goals.

BlueAngel444:
Are we now counting his passes

Since you count his passes against Crystal Palace, let's count passes now

swiz123:
Henderson completed the most passes for England against Ukraine (43).... He came on in the 56th minutes.

Pass completion is a coefficient of how well a player shows up to receive the ball -- a necessary quality of a DM. England has one valued at 100M yet couldn't control mildfield properly against a very weak opposition.

Jorginho only completed 26 passes in 120 minutes of football against Spain just now.

That's less than a pass every 4 minutes

What say ye?

BlueAngel444:
Ibime how far na you seeing my Italy and Jorginho

Yeah, parking the bus as usual

Jorginho with a boss penalty

Morata doing Morata things. Spineless.

Thiago with the boss penalty

Why did Unai Simon stop jumping around?

Belotti scores for Citadel

This Unai Simon jumping around dey make players mind cut.

The best way to beat him is to place it high

Nobody should ever come here posting and praising fake passing stats for our park the bus playmaker again next time he faces Crystal Palace or any small team

User09:
Why does he need to do this when there are other means to progress the ball.

We get the picture already. Jorginho is not a runner neither is he a dribbler but he does other things that some of us appreciate.

That lack of being able to spin away from a man (what you call dribbling) is the reason why he is a fake controller who forces his team to park the bus against any decent midfield even Aston Villa midfield.

What you appreciate is a belleface who only passes ball back to the defenders if there is anyone within 5 yards on his back.

If I want a park the bus midfielder, I know where to find one and it won't be Jorginho.

Tell me if Jorginho had spun out Pedri from his back two or three times at the start of this game, whether Spain wouldn't fall back. He is the reason they are under pressure in this game.

It no get match where some midfielder decide to manmark Xavi. By the time Xavi spin him 3 times, he will fall back into his own half. After a while, they abandoned pressing Xavi and sat in low block every game.

Jorginho is useless.

popizaino:
Even your imagine does not in anyway support the bolded . Busquet was focused on the danger poise ahead by the man heading towards goal, a right back could have ran past him through the midfield in that situation to score,doesn't mean he should have keep track of any random player when there are players to have dealt with the threat and still get back in the game. If you blame shakiri's goal on Busquet then I shouldn't be less surprised that you're as well blaming this on an innocent Busquet .

Just admit that Busquet is slow and stop all this shalaye.

Busquet was not distracted by anything. He never stopped running nor changed direction. He was running into the channel the goal was scored from, but the snail was 20 yards behind when the action went down.

User09:
Obviously cos he's been manmarked. Creating space for other players to make a move

Which controller claims he's being marked and hide. Any controller worth his salt takes two steps toward the defenders, asks for the ball and uses a half-turn to spin away from the man on his back, unlike your belleface controller who only turns when he is in 5 yards of space, or he hides or passes the ball back where it came from. Those with some body strength like Mikel, Busquets, Dembele even want to feel the player physically on their back so they can use the players own body weight against them to spin away.

Go and watch Xavi pirouette videos if you don't know what it means to be a controller. E no get how you want mark Xavi that he won't ask for ball.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hPA-dfq_HM

User09:
Ibime's mistake is he focuses a lot on Jorgiboy while ignoring the support he's meant to get from his midfield partners.

How come Mancini is taking out Veratti and Barella and leaving him in if he's that terrible

Possession starts with the deepest midfielder. Can you tell me a time in history that Jorginho is comfortable to receive the ball with man on his back and spin him out like Busquets has been doing all game? Swap Jorginho with Busquets and Spain would be the one parking the bus

Listen to diehard Azzuri fan below.

chic2pimp:
I know you hate Jorge but I make you right on this. Anytime either Chiellini or Bonucci has the ball, rather than demand for it, He points and tells them to pass it to other players.

raumdeuter:
What is the job of this Spanish Left back

Not to run across to right back from further away when Busquets is already in the right back channel. He did anyway cos he knew Busquets can never make it but he was too far

raumdeuter:
So when there are 4 Spanish defenders vs 2 Italian attackers, why should Busquets go and rush to join them when he can track any midfielder coming

Stop making excuses. The man who scored was a midfielder coming who was running through to make it a 3 v 3.

It's not even like Busquets stopped to target any other player. He tried and failed, simply because he is too slow.

popizaino:
Two defenders were already going to mark a player who was set on goal from a counter and one of the defenders had upper hand than the striker who was heading towards goal, so it is normal for Busquet to have it in mind that the defenders will be able to deal with the threat and get the ball back. Ones more this goal has nothing to do with Busquet.

Rubbish.

You have always been myopic to the art of keeping up with runners from midfield hence never saw any problem with the likes of Mikel game.

It is Busquet job to keep up with the runners from his midfield, simple. He tried to do so but failed, simple as ABC.

The two men on the far left are engaged. No midfielder worth his salt will allow Chiesa run through to a form a 3 v 3 with the last defender circled and crossed.

raumdeuter:
Dont you think Kante should have kept up with the scorer

There were two men unmarked with the ball who is who Kante went after

Snail Busquet has no excuse. He was running alongside Chiesa to stop any runners with no distraction and ended up 20 yards behind

popizaino:
Sorry,this goal has nothing to do with Busquet.

Yes, escorting has never bothered you.

By the time Chiesa took this shot, Busquets was 20 yards behind despite running into that very same channel Chiesa took the shot from.

Say no to escorting!

Skimpledawg:
I see am


Laugh no gree me

We will be back with pics as soon as the goal makes it to YouTube.

And Chiesa ran from that midfield with Busquets alongside him. By the time he took that shot, Busquet was still on the centre circle

Trevor012:
The game goes more or less as expected really. Italy midfield struggled against Austria's pressing. No surprise that they just get dominated against the even better pressing by Spain. The only out ball is to hit it long to the channels for Insigne and Chiesa, and Spain looks to have anticipated that as well.

That's why I said Martinez made a big mistake playing 3-4-3 for Belgium against Italy, leaving Jorginho as the spare man which made his fanbois to start making noise here as he was picking up the ball unchallenged at will. Any one knows you put a man on Jorginho, he can't do nothing cos he has never been able to spin away from a man.

Trevor012:
It can be Mancini instructions that's blocking Jorginho. This is not how they have been playing all through the tournament. They are given Spain too much respect.

Instructions ko, Donnaruma is looking for passes into the deep midfield position and Jorginho is hiding behind Spanish players, forcing Donnaruma to play long ball. The press is too hot for him. Even Verratti is doing better to open for passing lanes than the midfield fulcrum.

This is what happens when you are a belleface controller and can't spin away from players on your back. When the press is on, you start hiding.

If you can't take the ball with players on your back, you are fake controller. You can see Busquet not afraid to receive ball with players on his back, and that is giving Spain the ball.