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Trevor012:
But Barca won the treble in 2015 with Xavi a side piece? Can you explain more

By the way, I was referring to World Cup 2014 and 2018 and Euro 2016

You can check and tell me Iniestas performance there outside of Xavis system.

Anything to do with Barca in 2015, direct your questions to MSN.

Trevor012:
Who assisted Neymar against Psg and Rakitic in the final?

Ask MSN. We don't believe in when it mattered most philosophy here

Ibime:
When it mattered, Mount > KDB.

You cannot be useless the whole season, make an assist in the final and claim you were there when it mattered.

Who brought you to the final?

If you take an unproductive player to 3 finals a year, he will also be there when it mattered. Even Marcos Asensio, Lars Ricken and co scored when they took them to final.

Trevor012:
But Barca won the treble in 2015 with Xavi a side piece? Can you explain more

Ask MSN

Trevor012:
2015...... He was a benchwarmer while Iniesta was destroying Psg to set up Neymar and assisting Rakitic in the final.

We remember that season very well

Debroslink:
Stop that yeye talk. Xavi was a 'tag-along' for 10 years and you say we should ignore it. He was already 28 and about to be kicked out of Barca. He should thank Iniesta for rescuing his career.

You are the one dragging your legend, not me. Wetin consign me.

My stance is clear which is that Xavi cut soap for that whole generation of Spanish players and Iniesta was nothing but Isco before and after Xavi took them on the journey to World domination. After Xavi was affected by Achilles problem in 2013, they continue to disgrace themselves home and abroad without their ogbeni who made all things possible.

Xavi wasn't a system player. Xavi was the system itself.

Debroslink:
So you finally agree that Xavi was a carry-bag in 10 years at Barcelona including dropping zero goals and one assist in the whole 2005/06 la liga and UCL win.

The rest are unnecessary. Thank you.

Yes. They were all carryalong to Ronaldinho, Eto, Deco and co who were the ones winning the awards.

2008 is the year when they all started winning individual awards so there is no need talking about the inconsequential. We came to discuss their greatness and their greatness pertains to 2008 onward. There is no need me discussing Drogba or Kantes career before they hit 25.

Nobody is asking for "good projects" again?

There is no such thing as good projects when price is sliding down from the peak of a bullrun. There is only prudent capital management and allocation.

Ojemedad:
Now I understand what it is to be in a bear market

Not yet. . . although there are bearish elements to it eg good news does not pump price in a bear market.

Debroslink:
Stop leading people astray

Young Iniesta dropped 4GA in the league in 2006

26 years old Xavi dropped ZERO goal and just 1 assist in the league in 2006.

But we should praise Xavi at the expense of Iniesta. Your propaganda won't sell.

Nobody is trying to credit 2006 victory to Xavi unlike Iniesta fanbois doing attaché to glory that he was not consequential to.

We done already gree that Xavi became the architect of the system in 2008. We are not interested in crediting Xavi with Ronaldinho or Decos work unlike the fraudster Iniesta who goes around claiming credit for other people's labour, trying to reap where he did not sow.

Debroslink:
Was there MSN in 2006 or 2017 that helped Iniesta win UCL and La liga respectively without Xavi?

Stop leading your people astray

3 GA in the league in 2017 and 4 GA in the league in 2006

We know how that fraudster rolls, leaching on others to carry him along, after all Messi was still present for both and there was still Deco, Ronaldinho, Eto to leach on

Please remind me who won league in 2019 the same season Fraudiesta went to Japan.. Barcelona of course. My point is, he was inconsequential to whether they they win or not. Stop the fraud and stop claiming other people's labour as your own. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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Trevor012:
We are saying the same thing . You dragged attacking midfielders with goals and assists by using defensive contribution even tho you stated a different thing below

You still need to remain competitive in the midfield. Ozil, Mata and Fabregas career speaks for itself, how they have been sidelined and chased away despite whatever stats they bring.

My favourite AMS are well known - Muller and Lampard. Anyhow the game go, those guys stay competitive and they still have stats, unlike Ozil, Mata and co that you can steamroll in midfield and won't even stay competitive.

Trevor012:
Even the attacking Midfielders like Mata, Ozil etc that are kings attacking wise you still dragged them . So even if Iniesta had 1 million goals and assists their is a possibility you will still drag him eventually

My problem with Mata, Ozil and Fabregas is defensive contribution.

I don't have such problem with Iniesta. My Koko with him is productivity.

Havertz10:
players peak between 25~29

Some are late bloomers and can rejuvenated playing in a different set up

Bolded, iniesta and xavi depended on each other to thrive, honestly it's because xavi was older, if it was the other way around, xavi would also struggle without iniesta

A midfielders prime is 28-32 barring injury.

Havertz10:
how Chelsea fans can value kante that has little technical ability over players with considerably more technical ability is shocking

Football no be by using force, watch de jong defending, he uses positional awareness to mark but Chelsea fan like people with power

De Jong track record for Barca so far is conceding 8 goals in 90 minutes Vs Bayern and conceding 4 goals in 90 minutes Vs PSG.

I think I'll keep Kante for now over De Jongs "positional awareness". Which position you want use cope when Mbappe is flying at you.

Trevor012:
Do you need reminder Iniesta won the treble with Xavi being a bench player

Yes I remember that season very well. The season of zero goals and zero assists.

Trevor012:
Even the attacking midfielder with goals and assist will still be ridiculed by this guy so what's the point

Yes it's well known I supported Fabregas and even Jorginho signing at Chelsea. I don't hold on to past views, I update them based on data in front of me. Even the Iniesta I'm dragging now, I once considered him the best AM based on limited data from one season until I noticed Xavi was carrying him for midfield work and he was a eunuch attacking wise.

Havertz10:
that article is dated 2015

Ineista was 32, let's be realistic abeg

Iniesta was 30! The prime of a midfielders career.

Of course fan boys tried to point to his age back then claiming he was old at 30, a well know tactic.

I have noticed a trend. When players are useless early, their fanboys quickly point to their age.

Iniesta was useless from the moment Xavi started suffering Achilles problem and left him to fend for himself, right from the age of 28.

Old ko, old ni.

William is getting dragged at 32 at Arsenal. The excuses fanboys make for their favourite ninnies.

Trevor012:
Who even started this lie of Iniesta being an attacking Midfielder

Transfermarkt only put you as an AM if you play in a 4-2-3-1. Their positioning is arbitrary.

Lampard is also positioned as a CM in transfermarkt, same as Iniesta. Let's compare like for like na.

When you are useless at your primary role, you will start denying your position like Simon Peter the son of Jonah.

Havertz10:
you can't compare both abeg, there are certain players that are greater than G/A iniesta, xavi, pirlo and a very select few are like that

They wouldn't get many goals and assists but they are creating plays that leads to goals for their team

Go and check Xavi and Pirlo passing stats in comparison to their teammates.

The first two are deep lying midfielders whose primary job is reflected in their passing stats. Iniesta is an AM with paltry passing stats and still being outscored and outassisted handsomely by his deeplying midfielders.

Iniesta the only AM in the world where GA doesn't matter. Oya show us his passing stats, or does that not matter?

What is he good for? Forming activity like Kovacic?

Havertz10:
iniesta was better, lets look at clutch moments, when it mattered

When it mattered, Mount > KDB.

You cannot be useless the whole season, make an assist in the final and claim you were there when it mattered.

Who brought you to the final?

If you take an unproductive player to 3 finals a year, he will also be there when it mattered. Even Marcos Asensio, Lars Ricken and co scored when they took them to final.

Havertz10:
when Fabregas was asked to pick one between xavi and iniesta, he described the choice as being similar to picking one between his mum or dad

They both needed each other to excel, they made barca great, messi gets all the praise but his supply chain came from their factory

I'm not concerned with narrative, stories or a player playing politics being asked to pick between friends

swiz123:
Kovacic that gives sideways pass after breaking press .... Is Iniesta lacking in the final pass department? .

What kind of pass is Iniesta giving after breaking press?

He must be passing to LeBron James.

swiz123:
Mathematicians here should study this image and tell us who has a better g/a ratio

Iniesta - 270/867 = 0.31

Xavi - 357/988 = 0.36

Nigga I can't divide.

Let's not forget one is the deeplying midfielder (Xavi) who controls the possession game with 100 passes while the other is the advanced midfielder (Iniesta) who contributes little to the possession game with 60 passes per game.

I bake cake for you, you are supposed to put the icing on the cake, yet I still put more icing on the cake than you.

swiz123:
Now Iniesta who is a very influential player on the pitch who posses almost no weakness to his team is dragged for not being as productive as his peers. A player who broke press with his dribbling is maligned for not scoring or giving the final pass..

This sounds like Kovacic or Alexander Hleb

Havertz10:
only Suarez has provided more assist for messi than iniesta

If we track the back and check assist self that other players gave to messi, ineista hand will still be there coordinating play

Messi scores as much as a whole forward line. Iniesta played 13 years with Messi. 44 divided by 13 is what?

Look at Iniesta an attacking midfielder vs Xavi a deeplying midfielder and draw your own conclusion.

Havertz10:
positional play can be fluid, iniesta usually dropped deeper to receive the ball because he had better ball retention than busquet, most people were fixated on messi but some of us looked at Barca's midfield

His position was fluid, he wasn't playing for goals, he was playing to maintain domination over the opposition

Please give us his passes per game stats, let's expose this lie.

Iniesta was never central to the possession game. His passes per game was around the 60 passes per game mark. Xavi was the one controlling the midfield and dropping the 100 passes per game and still handsomely outscored and outassisted him from a deep position.

Iniesta is the greatest lie in modern football, and the luckiest carryalong in the history of the sport.

He only hides under midfield possession work that Xavi did alone to absolve his pitiful attacking productivity which is on par with Kovacic and Iwobi. He was an activity former who contributed nothing while his teammates put him in positions to claim glory

Havertz10:
Individually iniesta and xavi were good, ozil had his moments and enjoyed feeding the appetite of ronaldo

I always wonder how Ozil will feed Ronaldos appetite yet Messi was scoring 90 goals in a calendar year and Iniesta could not feed his appetite.

Debroslink:
Iniesta still won La liga after Xavi left. Iniesta won UCL without Xavi beside him.

Someone should tell us the UCL Xavi won without Iniesta

Yeah, we know how Iniesta won after Xavi left, going a full calendar year with zero goal and zero assist.

We should credit the Spanish Kovacic for MSN work

You people should fear God.

Havertz10:
Iniesta is like Frenkie de Jong

Watch their games, they are orchestra conductors, they play deeper and are always moving, you can't use goals to judge them


Frankie de jong vs kai havertz will be interesting to watch cause they play in the same shadow, if you don't watch closely, you wouldn't understand their value

Frankie De Jong plays at the base of midfield. Iniesta plays in the attacking phase. When your contribution is disgraceful, you will start to deny your position like Peter and start dragging with deep lying midfielders.