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raumdeuter:
The same way Ferguson found constant solution to his right back is how Pep did to his left back. From Delph to Zinchenko to Angelino

And £50m Mendy with another blockbuster to come this summer.

Manure managed from Gray Nevilles washing in 2006 to AWB signing in 2019 before they could point-and-kill rightback position. Thats a whole 13 years.

Pep pointed and killed right back position every summer for 3 years straight with £50m, £25m and £67m.

Pointing to the odd point-and-kill a club may make over many years will not absolve Pep from pointing and killing every year.

You niggas are so desperate, you will be pointing at signings made by several managers over a decade just to compare to Pep who is pointing-and-killing in almost every position every year.

Expert17:
4 years in EPL

- highest win

- lowest goals conceded

- highest goals scored

- highest no of trophies

- best playing style

- highest no of points

After all this records, they are still complaining??

God airpus

Can you show me where Pep had the record for lowest goals conceded? Just yarning opaks cluelessly.

Expert17:
-Ferguson paid the players transfer fee....the same way Pep is paying.

-Paying 3.5M for a 31 years old player that will play as 3rd choice in 1997 is high.

-Ferguson and Pep are point and kill expert.....whatever they want, the club will do.

- Ferguson will dispose you immediately if you play rubbish just like Pep

- Ferguson always want to sign the best available players just like Pep.

If you don't get my summary,....I give up.

Your summary makes no sense.

Teams play 4-4-2 then so Sheringham will get plenty game time, and his price is not high. Chelsea bought two left backs same year one for £5m and one for £2.5m.

Fergie is nothing like Pep who will have all 22 players at high prices. Just in right-back alone, he has a £50m right-back and a £67m substitute for example. In contrast, Gary Neville was washed since 2006. Fergie used Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Da Silva twins and even blended Valencia into that position from 2006 to 2013 still delivering trophies. You can see the difference between point-and-kill and shrewd management in that right-back position alone. Where Fergie found constant solution to that position, Pep will be bringing in Walker, Danilo and Cancelo for a combined £142m in just 3 years just to point-and-kill that position and changing expensive players like underwear.

Point out any Fergie team and 15 players are either academy players or cheap signings. If he was point and kill, he would have held Manure to ransom to match Chelsea's spending when Roman came in. Big difference.

Expert17:
Below average Kepa is going for more than 70M....
Average Maguire is going for 80M,.....
Average Stones was sold for 50M....
I can name more than 50 overpriced players...

Yarning more opaks. Which of these players were signed by Fergie? Bringing everybody else signing to equate a shrewd Fergie to a wasteful Pep will not work.

Expert17:
So Ferguson won't sign Rooney if the price was 50M then?
Ferguson wont sign Cantona if the price was 60M then?
Ferguson wont sign Ferdinand if the price was 50M then?

Ferguson paid the players transfer fees the same way Pep is paying.

Unlike you, we know what Fergie signed these players for and what equivalent players in Serie A were going for.

Unlike you, we have witnessed and evidenced how Fergie chilled out and didn't try to keep up with Chelsea spending when Roman came and was blowing millions. Instead he sat back, restrategised, spent light money on the likes of VDS, Evra, Vidic and Ronaldo and took Manure back to the top. Your Fraudiola would have been throwing tantrums and threatening to quit if he was at Manure then and Chelsea was outspending him lavishly.

This is not if if if nonsense you keep quoting up there. That is what Fergie actually did and evidenced before our very eyes. I tell it how it is, and you tell it how it might be - Puff Daddy.

If Fergie spends big, it's just one or two players every few years and supplement them with the Darren Fletchers and Park Ji Sungs, unlike Fraudiola that will pack all 22 players at high prices. Your attempt to equate the shrewd Fergie to the wasteful Fraudiola will not work.

alramon:
waste of fund, time, water, energy, disinfectants, PPEs....

what are they decontaminating?

schools that has been abandoned for months?

Clueless people

I just posted the same thing.

Mumu leaders

Wisdomkosi:
Source : https://igberetvnews.com/1359979/enugu-govt-flags-decontamination-schools-ahead-resumption-photos/

This is a white elephant project and a massive waste of money just so the Enugu Governor can show he's working.

If those schools have been unoccupied for just 3 days, any Coronavirus there would have died.

You only spray where people use regularly, not somewhere that's been shut down for months.

Nigeria and wasteful leadership.

Expert17:
3.5M was regular in 1997.....and Roy Keane
transfer to Man utd broke British transfer fee some years back with 3.75M

I don hear ooo

What year was Roy Keane transferred? The more you type on stuff you know nothing about the more clueless you look.

I just told you average 29 year olds left backs and midfielders were going for £5m in 1997 and you are talking cluelessly about Roy Keane transfer fee from 4 years prior.

EPL tansfer record in 1996 was £15m for Shearer, just 3 years after Roy Keane so you can see how transfer fees have progressed from 1993 to 1997 and how clueless you look. Numerous people like Cole, Bergkamp and Collymore have more than doubled Roy Keane's transfer fee in the next 3 years and 30 year olds like Zola are going for £4.5m already by 1996, and you are still referencing a redundant Roy Keane fee from 4 years prior.

Expert17:
40M is a regular fee in 2020.

Flops in this era cost more than this....

e.g. Kepa, Jorginho, Bakayoko, Drinkwater etc

You lack historical context on the £3.5m. For example, a common Middlesbrough bought a 29 year old drug addict Paul Merson for £4.5m in the same 1997 who has never been Sheringhams mate in the England team. Even going back a few years, Everton bought an unknown Nigerian called Amokachi from Belgian league for £3.5m 3 years earlier in 1994.

I called it regular transfer fee but it's super regular.

Expert17:
The same way Pep didn't sign Mahrez when Liecester asked for 80-90M....
The same way he didn't sign Maguire and Fred...

I can name 10-15 players Ferguson signed within 1993- 2003 for about 1M - 15M and he ditched them after less than 10 games for a fee below what he paid for them just because they didn't perform enough in those few games.

Yet Pep can sign Mahrez for £60m and Cancelo for £67m just to bench them.

Expert17:
The painful part.... they don't know the meaning of point and kill....

Someone said 17M for an injury prone player close to 30 years old in 2007 is cheap

Hargreaves was 26 in 2007 and had only had one major injury in the recent years which was a broken leg. £17m was fairly cheap for him then.

Expert17:
So Degea was doing well ?? He is not at fault for those easy goals? ..

Ferguson would have ditched him the same way he did to Carroll, Howard, Taibi....etc

The same Ferguson signed 2 goalkeepers in the same transfer window,... Foster and Van dersar.

When our defence was doing rubbish, he signed Vidic and Evra together in the same January transfer window.

Of course you can buy two goalkeepers in one window when you only spent £2m on VDS and £3.5m on Foster

Of course you can sign Vidic and Evra when you spend only £7m on each.

Please don't haughtily and cluelessly tell us these were big money then cos they were not.

Fergie would not be foolish enough to give DeGea £350k per week that will make him difficult to ditch. He warned them on the Rooney contract also before he left but Maga Woodward wouldn't listen.

Expert17:
No dey lie for us here abeg

..Sherringham was signed at the age of 31/32 with 3.5M in the year 1997....( you know how big 3.5M is in 1997)......

A 31 years old player without a single trophy.

I mixed up with his return to Spurs, but even so, £3.5m was nowhere near big money in 1997.

Don't haughtily ask me if I know cos I'm from that period. For comparison, Chelsea spent £5m on a 29 year old left-back Graeme Le Saux in 1997 and £2.5m on an unknown teenage Nigerian leftback called Babayaro in the same 1997.

So zip your mouth on telling me what you know nothing about. £3.5m was a regular fee in 1997.

raumdeuter:
Ronaldo moved to Barcelona for 13M in 1996 for a world record, moved to Inter for 19M in 1997 (Back to back best player in the world) while ferguson was buying Yorke for 18M in 1998

But Ibime wants us to believe Ferguson didnt spend money

How is Yorke for 18M 1/4 of Ronaldo for example

Yorke went for £12m..Stop spreading lies.

And Ronaldo transfer was 1997, and due to contractual dispute with Barca which lowered the price.

The same 1998 when Yorke was bought for £12m, Vieiri was bought for £27m and Denilson for similar

raumdeuter:
Stam a defender at 15M while Ronaldo 2 time Balon dor was going for 19M

That was the previous year. Vieri has already gone for £27m in 1998 - although admittedly Stam was one of his few and far between big splashes like Fergie, Rooney and Veron

Expert17:
Point and kill means getting anything you want...which is what Ferguson is so good at...


If Rooney was priced at 60M then.....Ferguson would still sign him.

If Ronaldo was worth 50M then....Ferguson would still sign him.

If Van Persie was worth 40M then..... Ferguson would still sign up him

If Keane was worth 70M then,... Ferguson would still sign him.

Spending won't be an issue to owners of clubs once they are sure you are going to win trophies which is what Ferguson and Pep are good at.

Point and Kill means money is no object to getting the best players. We have already defined point and kill here years ago.

You think Fergie did not want Batistuta, Vieiri, Nedved, Buffon to replace Schmeichel, Figo, Zidane etc.

Instead of buying Buffon for £40m, he calmly went and bought Barthez for £7m. Eventually when that one and replacements didn't work, he got VDS for £2m.

You think he doesn't want Batistuta and Vieiri to lead his attack? Instead of spending £40m plus on those, he will make do with England 4th substitute striker Cole, find some synergy with Dwight Yorke who was just a Jimenez level player then. Pick a retiring Sherigham on free transfer, added to one small £1.5m boy from Norwegian league called Solskjaer and he's good to go.

The Cantona that started success was a cheap transfer that Leeds had transfer listed. You think Fergie would not want a Romario, Stoichkov, Baggio as at then?

Fergie was always good at squeezing value from cheap players, infact they made the bulk of his squads from Ronny Johnsen to your Schmeichels (£0.5m), Da Silva twins, Park Ji Sungs, Evras, Vidics and also unheralded academy players like Nicky Butts, Wes Brown, Darren Fletchers, Phil Nevilles, John O'Shea's, Jonny Evans and co. Fergie can win with most of his squad filled with these types of players and just 2 or 3 expensive signings.

Expert17:
Imagine comparing 90s transfer fee with this 2020 transfer fee...

If Maguire is worth 80M, how much would be Ferdinand or Vidic worth now??

So Ferguson will not sign them because the fee is much...

I have showed you what Italian clubs were spending then which made Fergie spend look like chicken change, so there is nothing point and kill about him winning UCL against them. It's like a club with Southampton budget beating Man City

raumdeuter:
Roy Keane
1993 - The big-money move After competition from a host of clubs he joins Manchester United for a then British transfer record fee of £3.75million after 154 matches and 33 goals for Forest.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/apr/23/roy-keane-career-highs-lows

Andy Cole
Joins Man U for British record £7m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/1733774.stm

We are discussing his success in UCL. British records which were 1/4 of Italian records, yet he still beat them to win UCL shows he is not a point and kill fraud(iola)

raumdeuter:
Gary pallister
Juan Veron
Roy Keane
Jaap Stam
Andy Cole
Dwight Yorke (not sure)
Rio Ferdinand

All happened before 2004

My friend stop supporting foolishness and tell the young man to stop arguing nonsense with elders. I have computed transfer fees in my brain religiously for the last 25 years.

Roy Keane was £3m, Yorke was £12m, Cole was £7m, Pallister moved in late 80s for £2m.

Fergie barely splurges over his long managerial career apart from the odd Ferdinand and Rooney which came later and was few and far between.

Dwight Yorke was the most expensive nigga in his 1999 team at £12m, followed by Cole at £7m. Edit - I forgot Jaap Stam at £15m.

At the same time, it is up to you to educate Expert17 on the sums Serie A clubs were spending during those days. You can see screenshots below what they were spending in late 90s, early 2000s.

Expert17:
Point and Kill is not just about the transfer fee BUT also the club buying and doing whatever you want.....that is why some seasons under Ferguson, you would see us having 5 strikers.

25M for an injury prone 29 year old in 2012 is a BIG money....

17M for an injury prone player in 2007 is a BIG money.....

No it's not when players like Vieiri, Buffon, Rui Costa, Batistuta and dozens of others have been moving for £30-£40m since late 1990s

Same time Fergie was buying Dwight Yorke for £12m, Sherigham on free transfer, Solskjaer for next to nothing and Cole for £7m and you are taking about point and kill with no knowledge of transfer market back then. Despite all these, the nigga won UCL with cheap players and you are here yarning opata.

Herbiedeen:
It baffles me how some people are comparing 1 manager's spending to a club's own

i think the next one would be how Liverpool bought 20 players after selling Suarez

Post of the day.

We are talking Guardiolas signings over a short period, they will start bringing all Chelsea signings since 19 kporodim to compare. Their Maths teacher will be proud of them.

Expert17:
Ferguson also did point and kill with some transfers.....Van Persie, Owen Hagreaves, Sherringham etc.

How was Sherigham a 35 year old free transfer a point and kill?

Hargreaves was £17m while RVP was £25m. Serie A clubs have been been making multiple £35m transfers since the late 1990s and you are talking of RVP £25m being point and kill in 2012 and old man Sherigham free transfer.

Guy, go and sleep. You are talking before your time.

Expert17:
Scholes, Beckham, Neville brothers were dominating EPL...... The best league in the world.

Winning 5 EPL trophies out of 7 then

Andy Cole, Sherringham are not stars right

How was EPL the best league in the world.

My friend, you are talking before your time.

EPL was a scrub league then, even Arsenal were losing to Galatasaray in UEFA Cup final then.

My friend EPL was a farmers league in late 90s compared to Italian League which was by far the best, followed by Spanish league, then Bundesliga.

Beckham was a media hype, Neville brothers were 7/10 players and the Scholes we know today only became a don after 2004 when he dropped deep. Scholes of those days was nowhere to be mentioned against the top CMs of that time, someone who gets played off the park and get dumped out of International competitions by Romania and co. You cannot name top 20 CMs in late 90s and added Scholes name. Serie A alone would produce 10 CMs above him in ranking.

Andy Cole and Sherigham are England substitutes no different from Vardy and Imhs today while Dwight Yorke from Aston Villa is those days equivalent of a Jimenez at most.

If you want to talk World Class in that team, you can only call Schneichel, Keane and Giggs.

raumdeuter:
Ferguson had 26yrs at one club to do it and won two times

No he didn't. English clubs were banned for 5 years after Heysel disaster and even when they came back, they had fallen far behind the rest of Europe. It took till1996 before English clubs started competing effectively in Europe again.

The same Fergie used Aberdeen to win Cup Winners Cup against the great Real Madrid. That's what we respect, not point and kill.

Expert17:
Agenda....
Stop calling names of some players

Ferguson had the best team in the world when he won the UCL both in 1999 and 2008....same as Guardiola 2009 & 2011.

How did he have the best team in 1999?

Do you know what the Italian teams were carrying in 1999?

Keane, Schneichel and Giggs were the only certified stars in 1999.

Scholes was a perennial International flop and Beckham was never a World Class player despite all the media attention, besides he did not have Keane and Scholes in that final, using scrub like Jesper Blomqvist and Nicky Butt to win UCL

Young man, don't talk before your time.

raumdeuter:
Fergie had no such player? Except for one of the greatest player of all time Ronaldo, except for one of the greatst midifelder of all time Paul Scholes, except for one of the greatest defenders of all time and Best even EPL defender Nemanja Vidic

Yorke played with Beckham Keane Stam Schemichel Cole Schiles, Giggs in the same starting 11

Fergie won without Ronaldo and even won without Scholes and Keane, using Jesper Blomqvist and Nicky Butt

When will Fraudiola win without Messi even despite having the largest budgets known to man

raumdeuter:
Pep did with Pedro and Seydou Keita. Busquets and Valdes

And Messi and Xavi

Fergie had no such player. I mentioned Dwight Yorke because he was their best player that season.

What Pepe can only do with Messi (GOAT), Fergie will do with Dwight Yorke as his main man.

Pep is no different from Brazil coaches of the 60s and 70s winning with Pele.

Expert17:
It's club like Ajax, Southampton, Borussia Dortmund, Spurs, Benfica, Porto, Chelsea etc that care about player resale value......


Big/Wealthy clubs like Man utd, Bayern, Barcelona,R.Madrid and Man City dont focus on such

In the small clubs you listed most have won league title multiple times in the last 7 years.

In the Big Wealthy clubs category, there is only one club there that has not won league title in 7 years.

Imagine Manure fan calling Man City a big club. Mancunians will be laughing at you. Man City that could be playing Madrid in UCL semi-final and I can stroll to their stadium same day and buy a ticket at the gate. I have done it before for their UCL matches against a whole Barca and Bayern and would have done it for their Madrid semifinal but I had better things to do. Meanwhile, try booking ticket for any decent club and they will be sold out online for months on end. Even Arsenal, a friend coming from Nigeria asked me to book tickets for him, and all I could find on secondary market was Europa league group game months in advance. In the end, the secondary market could not even deliver the ticket because they had sold out. Man City is a small club from the poorest part of Manchester my friend.

Expert17:
Allow Pep rest, even EPL greatest manager Sir Alex Ferguson won just 2 UCL.

Fergie did so with Dwight Yorke and co. Big difference.

raumdeuter:
Basically a club without focus. or else why will you have 20 players on loan

Omeruo spent 7rs calling himself a Chelsea player but no see shirt one day

Miazga that you signed at the same age Mbappe is na him you call youth signing? When no be Nigeria wey 74yr old be youth leader for APC

We made money on Omeruo and God-willing will make money on Miazga. Business is business.

Expert17:
The trophies, success Guadiola brings to a club is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the money he spends.

That is why no club in this world will reject a coach like Guadiola or deny him his transfer target.

Yet this coach is yet to smell UCL without Messi.

Of course, anyone can buy local league.

What they give him money for is for the feeling of the UCL victories in 09 and 11, but like a crack addict, they keep chasing a high that never comes because Messi no dey.

raumdeuter:
All these players are also on free salary, they play for free, Why will a coach load 15 players into an existing team when he is not mad. Well you cant be too sure

Because that team have disappeared from Europe for nearly a decade so obviously what was there wasn't up to scratch. 15 mostly free transfers and loans later, they are 4 points behind Juventus which the previous team could never dream of.

raumdeuter:
When I say Chelsea fans are shameless. See someone complaining about Mendy

When his club currently has Baba Rahman, Zappacosta Van Ginkel, Ampadu, Miazga Bakayoko Drinkwater on their books. I can bet most of their fans dont even know the location of these players and the last time they contributed 1 single point to Chelsea team

All these players make money for the club on loans. We are not the type to point and kill. We loan these players, making money on loan fee until they are sold. Ampadu, Miazga and co are youth signings that cost a couple mill.