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Unproductive Willian - 48 goals in 5.5 years in England

Productive Iniesta - 57 goals in 16 years in Spain

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Kovacic is back in the team to face Newcastle.

I hope spirit of Iniesta isn't in him today, otherwise expect another 0-0 game.

raumdeuter:
When you are a disgrace of a striker, you will finish the season behind almost 60 scorers playing for a team like Chelsea

Is it true that Joaquin Caparros has more LaLiga assists than Ini-Edo?

That means if Jesus Navas had not gone to England for 5 years, he would be topping Iniesta on assists table

When you are a disgrace to.your position on the pitch.

Goals table, you no dey.

Assists table, they will be mentioning reach Joaquin Caparros and your name is nowhere to be found.

When you are a disgrace to your position on the pitch

When you are a know fraud, every Tom, Dike and Harry will be using you to shine

raumdeuter:
Lampard did not play 4 world cup games, he played 2006 to 2014

40 shots 0 goals

I would rather not score in few games in World Cup than be an AM for Barcelona my whole career and be dragging stats with John Terry when my fellow AMs are outscoring me by 6 goals to 1

raumdeuter:
40 shots 0 goals

Abeg was is the shots per goal ratio

World Cup is only 4 games.

I would rather go 4 games without scoring than be an AM for a whole Barcelona and go 365 days with no goal and no assist.

I'm sure even Kovacic cannot go 365 days with no goal or assist. What a shame.

Melvyn11:
lampard the carrier

108 appearance for England 29 goals.

Carryalong, 131 appearances for Spain, 13 goals.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta had the highest assist in the CL 2011 when Barca won

unlike Lampard

Lampard 28 UCL assist in 105 games
Iniesta 29 UCL assists in 130 games playing for a freescoring team.

Nigga I can't divide

raumdeuter:
Who is the AM for Chelsea 433 currently

Kovacic, another unproductive dribbler with game which is almost the exact same as Iniesta.

Put Lampard in Kovacic position in this same team, 20 to 30 goals and double digits assist is guaranteed just like under Ancelotti possession system. Chelsea would be neck and neck with Liverpool and City now just from the extra returns which Kovacic is not producing despite getting in interesting positions.

Swap Iniesta for Kovacic, no difference. Some people will even see more profit in RLC or Barkley starting ahead of him, just like Kovacic.

BlueAngel444:
it is an insult to be comparing Lampard and iniesta, if the comparison was between Lampard and Xavi I will understand.


just look at Spain with Xabi Alonso and Xavi, n then without them.

Xavi is greater than Lampard. I say that any day.

It is an insult to compare an impotent AM on par with John Terry attacking contribution to Lampard. I say that any day.

Iniesta is no different in game from Kovacic. If he come to this current Chelsea team, some people will not mind if RLC and Barkley bench him at times, just like Kovacic.

Melvyn11:
See joke. modric performed at the biggest competition in world football. Was the best player in his country going to the final shey it Was Ronaldo that carried him also.

Modric was not the best player going into any final.

He was the best player in the group stage, peaking against Argentina.

Perisic saw them through the knockouts while Modric was missing penalties against Denmark and co which his teammates had to save him in penalty kicks.

They scraped past common Denmark and Russia on penalties, with England the only half-decent team they faced which Perisic saw them through before Pogba pocketed Modric in the final.

It was the big stage, but it was not big opposition until France disgraced them in the final. The stars aligned for Modric to have that good draw and penalty luck in WC combined with a year when Ronaldo saw him through UCL and then fell foul of a rãpe case which ruled him out of contention.

Ronaldo has taken carryalong blessings to Turin, Modric can't carry himself no more.

Still, Modric > Iniesta!

Carryalong beat Carryalong, God no go vex.

randomperson:
Dani Alves has more assists than xavi...

Ryan giggs has more assists than anyone in epl ever...

Are they d best passers in the world?

You can say say Dani Alves is the most visionary right back in comparison to other rightbacks.

Xavi from a deeper position is flogging Iniesta for assists.

If I pull up LaLiga assists table, will I see Iniesta in top 10? Maybe, but I doubt.

Pull up EPL assist table, Lampard is no4 of all time.

Pull up goals table, Lampard is no4 of all time.


Only at Barca can such an unproductive AM as Iniesta be tolerated.

I'm done exposing the Spanish Kovacic for this year. I'll be back next year to remind you of his fraudulence once again.

Melvyn11:
And where did your lampard who is a carrier take England To. Man flopped in every major competition with England. sit down

Lampard Euro 2004 contribution is more than Iniestas contribution in any tournament he played.

randomperson:
Better range of passing? You're high

Passing is not dribbling. Lampard has far better vision than the assistless Eunuch. You can pull up their assist record if you wish

BlueAngel444:
lol... but Kovacic defends also

I prefer someone that will dribble and defend sef cos I know I will at least get the defensive solidity from them.

Than someone that will be drbbling upandan in attacking positions, taking the space of another AM that could win me the game.

madrid5:
how many assist did he get that season

He went full league year with no goal and no assist.

This is no different from someone posting Robert Snodgrass gif of the one good goal he scored this season, whereas his mates can produce 40 incidents where they won games.

Iniestas marketing method is to chill, let others do all the work, then produce one highlight per season for his fanboys to be promoting.

As you said, his unproductivity for an attacking midfielder can only be tolerated in Barcelona.

randomperson:
Who cares if Raumdeuter calls it polling booth award??

The fact is that he won it...

What's Lampard most significant achievement for England? whether individual oo or carry along?

Lampard attacking contribution to Euro 2004 is greater than Iniesta polling booth in 2012, or any attacking return in any tournament Iniesta has ever played.

madrid5:
iniesta being kovacic is not a bad thing sha,kovacic is/was a good player for us,modric and co was just better that is why the guy warm bench,this could have been iniesta career if he wasn't from LA masia,his unproductivity for an attacking midfielder can only be tolerated in Barcelona.

Iniesta is a good player himself just like Kovacic/Dembele them, but nobody will mention them Kovacic/Dembele when we are talking of the absolute best, unlike Eunuch who got carried along into those conversations

randomperson:
Actually, if you had an iniesta now and attacker that was fertile unlike hazard, your problems would be gone...

And there lies your problem, barca had Messi and iniesta, you want to play d same style with kovacic and hazard

And if Iniesta did not have fertile forwards he would be Kovacic.

Lampard is Lampard, a killer in his own right even if he plays with Malouda and Joe Cole.

Therein lies the difference between a carryalong and a killer.

madrid5:
See idiotic barca fans devaluating xavi just to praise iniesta ,iniesta is Spanish kovacic

He is Kovacic oooooo

randomperson:
No... iniesta played the role his team needed him to play...

Teams were seating back to defend against barca and barca needed a person who could hold the ball under pressure against two or more opposing midfielders and creating more space for d attackers...

That's what iniesta did for barca and Spain and it got him a legacy substantially superior to that of Lampard

That must be the same way teams are sitting back against Chelsea today, and Kovacic will be holding the ball like Iniesta dribbling upandan without making incisive puncture in the opposition defence. Iniesta is no different from Kovacic. He should have statue of Messi, Villa and Eto in his house and pray to them everyday. Kovacic unfortunately can only do the exact same thing Iniesta does and hope on Willian to provide the difference.

randomperson:
Modric was lampard's junior in EPL because he was playing for an inferior team... Modric won world cup golden ball for Croatia, something Lampard couldn't dream off...

Yes, modric was lucky to win that ballon d'or because frankly, Messi and Ronaldo were not at their best this year...

Modric was not just Lampards junior, he was everyones junior including Gerrard, Fabregas and in his own team Van Der Vaart chased him away from AM position after he played AM for a year and couldn't produce any attacking returns.

The difference between Liverpool and Spurs could be boiled down to the difference between Gerrard and Modric. They often finish in not too dissimilar league positions, but Gerrard's incisiveness could take them deep into competitions while Modric was waiting for Carryalong.

Gareth Bale became World most expensive player playing for the same team because he was not waiting for any carryalong. Van Der Vaart pushed Modric out of AM position and immediately started hitting double figures for goals and assists where Modric was struggling to put even 5 together.

Modric simply followed the Iniesta route and tapped into carryalong blessings that Iniesta has been profiting from his whole career. Ronaldo has now taken those blessings to Italy, Modric cannot even carry himself anymore.

If Modric see Lampard, Gerrard, Fabregas or even Van Der Vaart today, he will still dobale for them cos shoe get size. I am happy he is greater than Iniesta today though. Much respect to him for out-Iniesta-ing Iniesta.

randomperson:
And that's the thing, when you have goalscorers like Suarez,henry, eto and villa in front of you, and then add Messi, perhaps d most consistent goalscorer in history, your goal stats can't be that impressive...

Lampard was charged with the duty of scoring because the only consistent goalscoring attacker was drogba.

In other words, Iniesta was a carryalong while Lampard was a carrier.

Don't compare drummer boy who dance behind Masquerade to the Masquerade please.

Even as a left winger tasked with making the difference, he was still a drummer boy that couldn't provide the winning impetus.

obainojazz:
Truth is, Iniesta perfected the act of being carried along, he's the best in the business. Xavi is the fire that cooks the soup, Iniesta will jump in and start forming steam coming out of the pot.

Flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but the Holy spirit.

randomperson:
Well, by virtue of their INDIVIDUAL awards alone, iniesta is greater than lampard. Let's not even get started on their trophies.

By virtue of Individual awards, Modric is greater than Iniesta, and Modric was Lampards junior in EPL

Carryalong D'or awards.

randomperson:
Actually iniesta and Silva don't play d same roles.. Silva plays behind Sane who hugs d touch line, affording Silva d space and opportunity to make runs inside d box on a constant basis...

Iniesta on the other hand played behind natural goalscorers like Henry and Villa who make more runs into the box to score compared to Sane who's major role is to stretch d play

Story for the gods.

Which Henry was holding Iniestas leg for Spain that made him only score one goal every 12 games.

When Iniesta played left attacking mid for Spain in Euro 2012, shebi Leroy Sane abi Henry were the ones stopping him from producing attacking returns.

The same Silva was scoring and assisting from the opposite wing in the same tournament, but Henry must have still been holding Iniestas leg.

Iniesta is incapable of doing his basic job as an AM, in any setting, with any combination of wingers or forwards whether it was Guily, Pedro, Messi or Henry. Quit the excuses.

monerozi5590:
Is a shame that Iniesta didn't get to win the Ballon D'or.

Thank God EPL small boy Modric who could never raise mouth to Lampard, Gerrard and co as an AM in EPL still managed to win Ballon D'or by tapping into Iniestas carryalong blessing.

Modric > Iniesta.

Debroslink:
The way Ibime don brainwash this thread ehn... The guy has huge cult following.

One does not need to be brainwashed to know that an AM with the career attacking returns of John Terry is a fraud.

At some point, reasoning people will start to ask valid questions and look beyond the hype and the highlights.

If Iniesta was the central attacking midfielder for a team flanked by Malouda and Joe Cole instead of Messi/Henry/Villa, would he not lead his team to midtable or even relegation sef?

They said he was controlling possession, we cannot find any evidence of that in his passing stats. What was his function in the midfield apart from dribbling?

homesteady:
According to Whoscored.com, Messi was the best player, so isn't it just natural for a 'Technical' team to pick him as the best player?

OK, let's buy your Whoscored argument and assume Whoscored is a valid aggregator of players performance.

The same Whoscored had Iniesta as the lowest scoring Spanish player in Euros final. So on what basis did UEFA Technical team pick Iniesta? Did they use Lindaikeji.com?

simonjassy:
Iniesta is an AM.baba even pes and fifa will be looking at u like a fool right now.

Let him keep peddling that lie.

Iniesta must have been a CM in Euro 2012 where he played as a left winger and produced no goal and no assist as usual.