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homesteady:
The both players are as good as retired, so we can't be having the same argument over and over again, bringing up the same old points all over. I even went as far as posting the technical team report on Iniesta describing why he was given Best player in Euro 2012 despite his low numbers. But Ibime no gree oh, he say na him know football pass.

Same way FIFA produced technical report justifying Messi's bogus golden ball at 2014 World Cup.

A tournament-winning attacking midfielder without a single goal or single assist, being carried along like Olivier Giroud.

At least Messi had the decency to reject his award through his body language, while Iniesta was grinning throughout the robbery.


You be thief (I no be thief)
You be robber (I no be robber)

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BlueAngel444:
with Fabregas finally at Monaco, have Chelsea secured the signing of a new midfielder

Barella or Paredes or someone else.


still waiting for striker update, barca have joined those interested in Morata

And Henry at Monaco has declared interest in Batsman

Looks like we are.doing a lot of our summer business in January

Greatihex:
even if it is not lukaku and drogba, there are many others.

Hope you know that there is something called stat padding, like the type morata used to deceive us.

Shebi you know say gabriel Jesus 4 goals against burton go still join for em total goals by season end?

My legend Lampard never padded any stats. He scored 6 goals + assists against Barca, how many did Iniesta do against Chelsea?

He burnt Allianz Arena to the ground with some breathtaking goals.

He wiped Liverpool in UCL semis

He scored in UCL final.

He was the Messi or Ronaldo of his team, the man tasked with making the difference, while Iniesta is just a backup dancer, a drummer boy following Messi's masquerade, and padded by Xavis midfield control.

Pose your question to those who did nothing and got padded into finals by their teammates.

Lampard would have 3 or 4 UCL final goals by now if he got such padding from all-time greats instead of having to be the Ronaldo of his team from central midfield, supported by likes of Malouda and Joe Cole.

raumdeuter:
Lukaku played in the league when he was a teenager 2 seasons as a teen while Drogba came to the league as one of the best strikers in Europe

No Lukaku hardly played in his first season

Lukaku from 19 to 26 years is within a hairs width of Drogba 26 to 34 and 36 to 37 years old which includes many substitute appearances.

You can feel free to compare on minutes played as DD played many substitute appearances in his 30s. We have not even added assists, at which point DD will swallow him alive.

I say the old man has done well against the young buck, and beat him in Goals+assists and probably will in goals per minute if you care to do the math for us. GTFOH with your stupid comparison which holds no water.

raumdeuter:
This is a big lie

Barca has a front 3 who are solely responsible for scoring, Their midfield is basically to control possesion

Muller does not play in midfield in a 433. Bayern under Juup played 4-2-3-1 and Muller played in the hole or was shifting to the wings

Did Bayern control possession or not with just two midfielders? Was Muller needed to join hands with them?

Does David Silva not play the same role in same 4-3-3 under the same manager and produce attacking returns?

The 3rd midfielder, just like Silva, just like Muller is free to seek goals and assists according to his ability. Iniesta does not have that ability.

Who called Iniesta to go and join hands with Xavi and Busquets?

How did his 60 passes per game add to Barcas possession game? Is it any more than the 84 passes per game that Silva recorded under Pep last season whilst still scoring and assisting?

Your lie will find you out today.

The Eunuch is incapable of scoring or assisting, and he is incapable of running possession game. Stop telling lies.

Greatihex:
you Can see how the flaw in that criteria is being exposed by the lukaku and drogba comparison.

No it's not being exposed by Lukaku and Drogba because they have comparable number of goals, and if you have any memory of Chelsea, you will know Drogba played till 34 in 2012, then came back as a 36 year old and played significant matches as a substitute in 2014/15 so more than half of his matches are affected by old age and substitute appearances. So you are that naive as Chelsea fan to buy the comparison of mostly 30-36year old Drogba against a young Lukaku? I'm disappointed.

And even despite this, their numbers are similar and comparable like Warren Buffet vs Bill Gates, whereas Lampard is shītting on Iniesta stats like comparing Bill Gates vs Hushpuppi. Have you lost your sense?

I am consistent in comparing output in attacking players. The same way I attacked Hazard for productivity is the same way I attack Iniesta, unlike one amala turner that will tell you Hazard is shakushaku but Iniesta is the best thing since sliced bread.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta played 24 league games in 2014/15 season

And recorded no goal or assist. Shame on him.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta is a central midfielder and not an Attacking midfielder. His job is to control the game and retain possesion

Barcelonas front 3 are the ones responsible for the goals and assist load

Keep repeating this nonsense, one day you will believe it.

Iniesta who makes just 60 passes a game was the one with brief to control possession?

I thank God I saw Lampard reprise the role in a possession based team under Ancelotti and it even gingered him to produce more with all that possession, recording 27 goals and 20 assists that season.

CAM in 4-3-3 does not contribute to any bloody possession game. His job is to win matches. The DM and CM are all you need to run possession game.

Thank God David Silva is flogging all your lies in the same 4-3-3. Man City are maintaining same level of possession and Silva is doing his job at the right end of the pitch, not hiding behind Fernandinho and DeBruyne like the Eunuch did with Xavi and Busquets/Toure.

As if Thomas Muller in your own team did not already show you that you don't need the 3rd midfielder to run possession game, his job is to score and assist.

You are just lying to yourself to protect a Eunuch that only contributes 60 passes per match to the possession game, same as any other CAM who is also contributing goals and assists.

Greatihex:
Here i come again to remind you, ibime and raumdeuter, how your criteria and logic for rating a player is flawed.

Football is not one plus one equals two.

I like the way you two are exposing each other's logic.


Every aspect of the game is brought into account before you can rate a player, not the one sided one both of you use.

My view of the game is simple and I don't deviate.

I judge deep lying playmakers on their ability to control the game.

I judge attacking players on their ability to win the game through goals and assists.

Any attacking midfielder that tells you he can't provide goals and assists because he is busy controlling the game is a fraud. That's why Iniesta is a fraud to me, especially as he is even incapable of controlling possession.

They don't send Ozil to do Jorginhos job. Jorginhos job is primarily to control possession and Ozils job is primarily to create goals.

Iniesta can do neither, just dribbling upandan.

Heywhizzy:
You once called a young Christiano Ronaldo the greatest player you've ever seen.. True or yes?

Could be the case before the rise of Messi.

raumdeuter:
How many games was Drogba out with knee injury that made him to be behind Lukaku

Feel free to check. Drogba only became a starting player again after Scolari was sacked in January.

Our players are not Eunuchs. If they are on the pitch, they will score.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta also had a calf injury in the time he went without a goal

You surely mean to write in the YEAR he went without a goal OR ASSIST.

I'm glad to know that the calf injury which kept him out for 4 league games also prevented the Eunuch from scoring or assisting in the other 34 league games.

Relapsi Iniesta.

raumdeuter:
Ibime why you dey lie like this

Explain how 104 goals in 254 games for Drogba is better goal per game than 109 in 238 games for Lukaku

Lukaku joined the league as an 18yr old

Explain how you compare Lukaku and Drogba 254 vs 238 to Lampard vs Iniesta 274 vs 65.

There is difference between touching breast and rãpe. Lukaku and Drogba are just flirting with each other while Iniesta is being rāped with no vaseline.

Half of Drogbas time at Chelsea was spent in his 30s. 4 years out of 8. Let Lukaku enter his 30s before we compare his goal average.

raumdeuter:
Someone dey tell one lie here

Say from August 2008 till March 2009 say Drogba scored 1 league goal

Me I talk say na lie oo

Abi shey na true?

7months 1 goal.

Iyonkem confusion Maka why Drogba

Knee injury at the start of Scolaris reign kept him out.

He can never be like Iniesta that will play a whole year with no goal and no assist.

raumdeuter:
Lukaku is flogging Drogba with goals here despite joining the league as an 18yr old while Drogba came as a matured 26yr old

He is not flogging anything. Drogba goals per game is better, not to mention Drogba played his last 2 seasons as a 33 year old and 34 year old with hardly much goals which dragged down his average.

Lampard has 6 times the goals of Iniesta, stop comparing nonsense.

Kimbeast:
Prime Iniesta is levels above every midfielder since Zidane. Stop being an hater and appreciate greatness old man.

No wonder Lampard boy in EPL, Modric became greater than him by tapping into the same carryalong blessing.

Modric WPOTY > Iniesta

Argue with your Tecno phone.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta Champions league top assist provider 2010/11 season Maybe Lampard will top the assists charts in the next lifetime

Lampard 28 UCL assists in 105 games
Iniesta 29 UCL assists in 130 games.

Even the so-called assists you want to hide Iniesta under (since he can't dream to compete on goals), Lampard is still flogging him.

Feel free to pull up all their records against the big teams in UCL, not Bate Borisovs, you will see Lampard is flogging him mercilessly.

raumdeuter:
See long story by Chinua ibime



Watch out for amala turning here

Drogba 254 EPL games 104 goals
Lukaku 238 EPL games 109 goals

Yes, we can compare big games because they are close in performance.


Lampard - 913 games, 274 goals
Iniesta - 743 games, 65 goals

Now we can't compare. These stats are not mates.


If you want to compare big games, compare Lampard vs Iniesta UCL goal and assist record against Barcelona, Chelsea, Man Utd, Bayern Munich, Liverpool etc.

Lampard is flogging him like 10 to 1.

Lampard has 6 goals or assists against Barca, Iniesta has 1 against Chelsea.

Lampard has UCL goals and assists against Liverpool, Iniesta none

Lampard has 2 goals against Bayern, you count Iniestas etc.

Lampard scored against Manure in UCL final etc etc etc

Lampard has over performed ten times of Iniesta in big games, but does not always get through because no Messi to take him through.

Don't limit big games to finals because Iniesta only got there on the sweat of his teammates, not his personal contribution.

raumdeuter:
Performance in big games is what differentiates big players from stat padders

Drogba 254 EPL games 104 goals
Lukaku 238 EPL games 109 goals

You need to have stats before you even talk about big games.

You cannot be carried along to every final with no goals and no assists and start talking about big games.

Does Iniesta even have stats like the Lukaku example you gave above to even start the comparison conversation? If Drogba has only 40 goals even if he scored all of them in big games, we would never compare him to Lukaku.

Iniesta is just an Eder.

Let Hazard play for Barca, let's see whether he won't make every final, and post much better big game stats than Iniesta.

Lampard has 6 goals or assists against Barca in UCL, he's shut down Allianz Arena with sumptuous goals, shut down many arenas in UCL.

One Eunuch cannot be carried along to every final, do a couple dribbles in final and be hailed as big game player.

Thank God the small boy Modric we saw in EPL, who got chased out of AM position by Van Der Vaart, went to Madrid and won 3 UCL in a row, to the point of winning WPOTY of the year which Iniesta never smelled. The carryalong luck shone brighter on him than Iniesta, yet he was a small boy in EPL and would not raise mouth against other AMs in EPL like Lampard, Gerrard, even Fabregas, not to mention Van Der Vaart in his own team.

Today he is greater than Iniesta by channelling the same carryalong luck that Iniesta made his name from. Now Ronaldo has left him, he can't even carry himself.

raumdeuter:
That was when he joined the Ronaldo better than Messi chorus,

Tah! Ronaldo is never better than Messi, and you will never hear that from me, but I will continue bto celebrate Ronaldo victories to troll the Barkabots.

Unlike you, I call all shakushaku what they are. I criticised Hazard severally on here because I really believe in productivity for attacking players. That is my outlook to the game.

Iniesta is the ultimate shakushaku. The King of all Eunuchs. Ribery and Hazard were learning work where he was. Now at least Hazard is becoming productive, but Iniesta till his dying day was a shakushaku carryalong.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta went to win 1 world cup 4 CL titles 2 Euro cups

Which was when we realised he is just a carryalong like Eder contributing 0 gaoals and 0 assists while Barca still win things

raumdeuter:
Anyoen who ever said Lennon is better than Kroos should never be taken seriously. Lampard and Iniesta were not knew when he made that statement

Iniesta had won 2 CL titles, 1 euro and 1 world cup, while Lamaprd was close to retirement meaning he has seen a good part of their career

Lampard the next season scored 27 goals and made 20 assists.

That's like 5 of Iniestas seasons put together.

There is difference between shakushaku masters and killers!

Agbakolly:
Baba ibime opinion on iniesta has changed,after all someone once said Lennon is better than kroos

Don't mind that guy, he is pained, digging up post from 10 years ago.

I was caught up in Barca hype that year and Iniesta was relatively fresh on the big stage, but after studying their game over the next couple of years, I realised Xavi is the be-all and end-all of their midfield control, while Messi is their matchwinner and Eunuch is just a carryalong. Same thing with Spain.

If I considered Kaka the best in 2007, I definitely can't hold that same opinion in 2010.

It's been over 8 years I've been exposing Iniesta. Why should I still be rating an AM that will deliver no goals and no assists in one full calendar year. I can't rate such person over Pogba sef.

raumdeuter:
After I have disgraced you with Pogbas CL stats

Disgraced you by showing that Gerrard a Support Striker and attacker under benitez has 15 goals in 73 games

Now you are back to Silva an ex attacker

How many CL goals has this Silva scored under Guardiola? 3 in 3 seasons

See someone being disgraced claiming they are disgracing someone.

David Silva, twice the goals per game of Iniesta
Hazard, twice the goals per game of Iniesta

Gerrard only played SS for one season, 3 times the goals per game of Iniesta.

Lampard scores every 4 games in UCL, Iniesta scores every 11 games. Lampard must be a striker in 4-3-3.

Even if we leave goals and go to assists, Iniesta cannot top Lampard.

Iniesta 29 assists in 130 games for a freescoring team
Lampard 28 assists in 105 games.

What an unproductive shakushaku master famzin off DM and CM midfield controllers instead of facing his mates in AM position.

raumdeuter:
Apples and oranges

One is a Central midfielder one is an AM

Leave picture posting for airmark dem and come with facts

So Barca 4-3-3 is different from City 4-3-3 with the same Pep Guardiola is it?

David Silva is disgracing Iniesta and showing what a CAM in Pep 4-3-3 is supposed to be doing after years of hearing nonsense from you lot that Eunuchs job is Pep 4-3-3 is not to provide attacking contribution.

raumdeuter:
Silvas entire CL career despite playing as a forward he has 10 goals he is already 33. Less than 2 yrs younger than Iniesta

Gerrard support striker 15 CL goals in 75 games
Pogba 3 open play goals in 43 games

David Silva - 10 goals in 62 UCL games

Iniesta - 11 goals in 130 UCL games

Nigga I can't divide

Who is the real shakushaku master


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raumdeuter:
Iniesta entire CL career 11 goals 0 penalties
Silva entire CL career 10 goals 0 penalties (despite playing as an attacker in his Valencia days
Gerrard entire CL career 21 goals (6 penalties) while he played as an attacker for most years under Benitez
Pogba entire CL career 4 goals 1 penalty

Give us per game and stop typing nonsense.

Pogba and Silva cannot go a season without giving you close to 20 goals or assists while shakushaku master will go a full calendar year with zero league goals or assists.

Debroslink:
Just keep shooting yourself there.

Goliath is worth 10,000 soldiers, and that's why Don Iniesta and Drogba slaying in UCL are bigger players than Lampard.

I've seen Iniesta's killer pass lift Barcelona from Jaws of defeat to victory in our most important match without the help of Messi, Xavi and even Ronaldinho.

Which Goliath did he slay, a 10 man trophyless fourphy Arsenal in 2006?

So Ronaldinho wasn't on the pitch?

Keep deceiving yourself. Lampard is the Messi and Ronaldo of his teams. When people are required to win games, Lampard is the one they all look to, while Iniesta was always a carryalong behind a plethora of game winners in his team.

There is a difference between fighting at battlefront and celebrating victory from the rear. Iniesta is the one who celebrates from the rear after killers have done their work. Lampard is the killer himself.

raumdeuter:
Hazard is an attacker part of the front 3 and he has 4 goals from open play


God forbid Sterling, Sane, Neymar, Suarez Muller Robben have 4 goals in 5 seasons of CL football

They will be sent to Lobi stars

Good!

Now compare Iniesta to his AM mates like Lampard, Silva, Gerrard, Pogba etc.

The visionless and unproductive eunuch will claim he is joining hands with DM and CM to control game which is a fallacy.

raumdeuter:
How can Iniesta be an AM when Barcelona uses 3 CM in a 4-3-3

How many midfielders did Chelsea use in a 4-3-3?

How many midfielders do Man Utd currently use in a 4-3-3?

How many midfielders do City use in a 4-3-3?

God forbid for Pogba and Silva to claim they will not produce any attacking contribution because they are busy attachéing to the DM and CM to claim they are busy controlling the game when the job of AM has nothing to do with controlling the game. Pogba will be chased out of Old Trafford.

raumdeuter:
CL 4 goals all his career, how do you expect a team to win when one of their main attackers can only provide 4 goals from open play in 6 seasons

Hazard 8 goals in 44 UCL games

Iniesta 11 goals in 130 UCL games as an AM

Who is the real shakushaku master?


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BlueAngel444:
please guys we still respect Iniesta right, we won't reduce ourselves to the level of 'a clown in a suit' that wants us to take him seriously (a professional fool).

- Eden Michael Hazard

I have no respect for the Spanish Kovacic, just a drimbler with no end product that will claim he was helping control the game when we all know the DM and deep-lying CM are the ones who control the game.