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Nice one

No said the bible

A lie is a lie.just as white,blue and black witches are same

OLAADEGBU:
You got a point there. Especially when we permit our children to be brought up to believe worldviews contrary to the Christian worldview in our tertiary institutions.

Yes

OLAADEGBU:
Why don't we care about the slaughter of Nigerian Christians?

https://stream.org/dont-care-slaughter-nigerian-christians/

If the story is true then it's a sad one.
But for leprosy to be fully cured it had to be exposed.
I believe the lei root of these virus(leprosy)will be uprooted by these time next year in Jesus name.

Ferisidowu:
I agree with you on some points... .. but that it wasn't God's intention to introduce the law, I can't accept ....

Besides the law wasn't given for justification ... It was given as a guide.. (school master)

The law has never been in Gods purpose for us."IT WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION "the law was a catalyst.baking powder added when baking never increase the nutrient of a bread.
From Genesis to Revelation there has been only one Gospel preached which is the Gospel of Grace and not of the law/Work.

The Gospel of God has always been the Gospel of Grace right from the Begining in Genesis.
It wasn't Gods intention to introduce the Law,which demand works.it was introduced to deal with an immediate need then.
The Gospel of Grace was preached to Adam down to Abraham.
What is the Gospel?we do nothing for He has done everything for us.

Muafrika2:
God is always speaking. He never stops. Its just that he speaks through everything and anyone. Pay attention to these first. And test everything you "hear" with God's word.

You just need to start listening.

Edit: Start talking back too. Whether in silence or aloud.

OP
Muafrika has said it all.
God speaks to us through everything.
He speaks through our environment,people arround us,occasionally through our intuition.

OnyeOGA:
hmmm
have you came across the place where Lord Jesus Christ said that he has the right to give and take his life.
Then, why why did His Father abandon Him on the Cross of Calvary?

Having the right to give/take His Life has nothing to do with His Father abandoning Him on His course to full fill what He started from the Begining.

OnyeOGA:
since he is God how will he be separated again
Please explain

Don't get you

OnyeOGA:
My fellow Christians, why did this Jesus made this statement on the cross:
"...My God, my God, why did you abandon me?"- Gospel according to St. Mark 15vs34.
Does it mean that His Father abandoned him or what?
Please help.

That's the first time He has been seperatef from communion/relationship with the Father.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you then accusing Jesus of lying when He said that God created them male and female at the beginning?

Lol
Here we go again!!
Which begining?

The principle is repeated in limited,much more limited, ways. Read that little Letter to the Philippians and hear the Apostle speaking about the fullness which was his,the righteousness of works.He could speak about being full,about the time when he had all things,things which were gain to him.And then this man was stripped of it all.There is no man in the New Testament who speaks more of his own unrighteousness and unworthiness and of the worthlessness of the righteousness by works than does Paul.He was stripped of it all,everything in this life, everything natural,his own ability to accomplish anything,to achieve anything.And yet, with all the suffering and all the terrific assaults of evil powers upon that man,we see him living in the power of a resurrection,of an ascension union with Christ which says,“I have all” (Phil. 4:18); “All things are yours” (1 Cor. 3:21). All things are ours.You see, this is the same principle.

Christ’s Humiliation and Exaltation
In saying that,we are able to look further and discern Another,a greater than Job,standing in His own fullness and in all His own rights,accepted with God,of whom God could say ‘There is not another – not only in the earth, but in the universe – like Him’.And then,because there is something in the universe that is evil, something that has to be undone,to be robbed of its power and put out of court,that One in all His fullness is steadily stripped and laid bare in the vortex of this terrific controversy. Picturesque words are used to describe these forces of evil: “They compassed me about like bees” (Psa. 118:12).The whole scene is set in a spiritual realm where the forces of evil are rampant,accusing,condemning, judging,appraising. It is an atmosphere of terrible antagonism and terrible spiritual death. He is brought right down, “crucified through weakness” (2 Cor. 13:4),stripped stark naked, emptied, with God’s face hidden behind the cloud.Thou hast forsaken Me!”You can almost hear that in Job from time to time,Thou hast forsaken me!” How much more real was that in the case of this greater One. “Having put off from Himself the principalities and the powers,He made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it” (Col. 2:15).They are ruled out of court, the great spiritual opposition has been brought low.And up from the grave He arose, back to a place of new power,opening the door for God to come in in a new way and make Him a minister to His own brethren with a new significance, investing Him with all the heavenly fullness. It is in PRINCIPLE the same as Job’s experience.

Reading: Job 1:6-11; 2:9,10; 42:7,8,10.
Job is introduced to us as a man in great fullness.fullness of possessions and of wealth, fullness of good works and of personal righteousness,and standing before God in acceptance.Then there begins a course in his experience,the meaning and the secret occasion of which is altogether hidden from him.He knows not the why nor the wherefore,but he finds himself suddenly in the course of being stripped of everything. One thing after another is stripped from him – all his possessions,all his relations,all his friends and all his righteousness which is of works – and with it all come the investing,the encompassing,the onrushing of those hostile forces with their suggestions of accusation,condemnation, judgment.There is an encompassing of spiritual antagonism and of a spirit of death,with God hidden, withdrawn behind the clouds, and Job is left stark,bare, apparently alone,a stripped and afflicted man,oppressed in spirit, bewildered in soul and in anguish of body.The circle of all his relationships narrows to the closest,the nearest – his own wife – who bids him renounce God and,in so doing,surrender his life, for that is what is meant.The man has come right down from a great height and a great fullness to a very deep depth of utter emptiness,weakness, helplessness,and is as good as dead.
In the course of that history a transition takes place.You can hardly perceive it,but it does take place.It is a transition from a righteousness which is of works to the righteousness which is of faith.Whereas earlier he pleads his own cause on the basis of his own righteousness and his own works,you find him being stripped of all that and at the end of it all he is saying,Wherefore I abhor myself” (Job 42:6) And yet he is still holding on to God,but this is a righteousness which has no foundation in his own goodness and works now.It is a righteousness which is by faith in the mercy of God.With that transition,that change from one basis to another, something else has happened.Satan has gradually been edged out of court.At the beginning Satan is there in full power – or almost so – with a great deal of liberty,doing pretty much as he likes.Then there is an almost imperceptible point at which Satan has stepped out of the scene and Job is left alone with God.Satan has had all his ground taken away,he has had to withdraw and give up the fight,he is completely worsted.Then comes resurrection from the dead into a place of new spiritual power, opening the door for God to come in in a new way,investing Job with a new fullness which is not now the fullness of his own works,but the fullness of Divine grace.not the fruit of his own labours,but the gift of God,not what he himself has brought about,but what God has given him.That is Job’s spiritual history in a few words.

The Earth is over millions of years old.
But the recreation which started in Gen1:3 is over 6000yrs old.

Christ!!
Because Christainity is Christ and the life of a Christain is also Christ!

OLAADEGBU:
Shall we blame social media for that?

Nope!
Moses told pharaoh "not a hoof of our inheritance will be left in Egypt"
Seems like most parents/guardian or spiritual leader left there children in Egypt.and the result is what we have today.
So the blame goes to our parens and spiritual fathers.

The Gospel in summary. Is God becoming a man..John1:14

Rest in peace Sir

Ferisidowu:
At least it was destroyed first,,, for it to be made good again

What do you mean by destroy?
The right word is deform,made useless.
Just like the Eart in Genesis1:2"it became formless not destroyed"and on the evening of the 6th day the Poter behold the clay(earth) again and said "very good"
When Adam became useless/deform in the Potters Hand(by sinning)
The clay/Man was never destroy but placed on the Wheel and he was made good again,when he rose from Jordan and the Potter said "This is my Son whom am well pleased"
He was made good again.

Israel in Egypt is in a sad and devastated plight, but "He made it again". Israel in Babylon is the clay cast off and - for the time - rejected; but"He made it again". Peter was pealed,scattered and desolated by his denial of his Master,but "He made it again".
John Mark no doubt had many heart-burning and self-reproaching hours after deserting from the work.but "He made it again". This is the history, story, and thank God - the testimony of much "Broken Earthenware"."He made it again... as seemed good to the potter".
As we move into this new year 2018, and maybe are all aware of how we have failed and disappointed earlier hopes and expectations, let us focus upon - not"it was marred in the hand of the potter",but - "He made it again,another vessel,as seemed good to the potter to make it". The end of all God's work is,"IT IS VERY GOOD"

Ferisidowu:
is God's plan destroyed?

Not possible.
The clay never leaves the Potters Hand/His Wheel until he's"made good again"

3.'Further, again, the greatness of My selecting grace, the patience of My longsuffering mercy,and the lavishness of My giving of light have only added up to make you spiritually proud, conceited,and superior.You have become self-centred and straitened.In all My thought and work regarding you I have had a vessel in mind,and a vessel not as a mere ornament on a pedestal, but for use.A great world-vocation has dominated all with Me,but you have fed your own souls and not enough cherished and valued the great honour and responsibility of having a ministry to all the world. These are some things that I cannot go on with,hence the crisis of frustration,confusion, and suspense'.(It will be recognised that these were some of the things which constituted God's controversy with Israel and which led to the crisis of the exile,when the clay was set aside awhile.They are tendencies at all times amongst the people of God.)
The Potter waits.Is there recognition,repentance, remorse,and yielding?If so - "He made it again".

God does not finally abandon an undertaking or purpose. Even His most drastic dealings in this life are in hope. He is "the God of hope".
We open the Bible with the earth in a sad state of chaos, but "He made it again". We see the human race in terrible desolation through Adam's sin, but "In Christ there is a new creation". "He made it again".......

Some of the things that He(The Potter) said were these.

1.'The fact that I chose you in sovereign grace, and therein took the initiative in bringing you into relation with My great purpose, was never intended to exonerate you from being responsible and co-operative substance. Rather did it involve you in the obligation of responsive love and self-abandoning gratitude.My very mercy and kindness,to say nothing of the immense glory that was to be the end,was meant to inculcate in you My own nature of grace and selflessness. But you have viewed it all objectively and acted as though you had little or nothing to do to "make your calling and election sure".'

2. 'Then,you have failed to give sufficient heed to another very vital factor.I have given you much light and truth.My servants have risen up early and prayed late to obtain for you that truth that could minister to the "conformity to the image"that I have in view.Over a long period you have been receiving and receiving until you can hardly bear to have more.But you have not given heed to the fact that it is not sufficient to have light and truth without walking in it,and having it "in the inward parts". You have failed to remember that the greatest tragedies are those which have had most light and have not turned it into life and character.You have the truth in abundance but it is not yourself. There is a gap between what you know in theory and what you are in being'...........

But in the mystery of grace and the potency of grace it was taken,separated,and brought onto the wheel of Divine purpose.It was spoken to,with promise and covenant,with comfort and exhortation,with instruction and warning,with entreaty and love.Not only in words,but in works,strange and mystifying,deep and painful, gracious and kindly.The combining of word and deed constituted the Potter's aim to produce"a vessel unto honour, meet for the Master's use, prepared unto every good work".

From time to time a warning shadow crept into the Potter's face,and it implied that all was not well with the clay.There was something inconsistent with His object.His sensitive fingers met some foreign and unyielding substance.He added a little more pressure of pain,of warning,of instruction,of exhortation.but that propensity,that adhesion persisted.

At last,after long and thorough endeavour,the Potter had to say 'I cannot go on, the only hope lies along a course of confusion, suspense, and breaking down'.
In that state the clay was driven to much heart-searching, in which, like David after his great mistake in the Philistine cart, the reasons were sought.

As these reasons were sought in heartbrokenness, the Potter, at length, began to speak again to the clay........

"He made it again" (Jeremiah 18:4).

It was a crisis in the history of the clay.The Potter had been forced to the necessity of reducing it to a shapeless mass. After long and patient effort, working and painstaking He had been compelled to take a sad and painful decision.The clay must be broken and go into a period in which it will seem only seem, that the Potter has discarded it.During that time the clay, because it is not mere inanimate and insentient matter, but self and God-conscious humanity, will have the occasion for considering its condition in the light of the past,and coming to see why this tragedy has overtaken it.
Into this crisis of the Potter's House we have to read both the history of Israel and the history of many a piece of work which God undertook, either in the Church or in individual lives. There are two or three aspects of this crisis.
Firstly, the clay the material of the vessel,was selected,chosen. Not because it was better clay than any other.It was all-of-a-piece with the mass of humanity. There was everything on the positive side to justify it being left in its abandoned state,and no merit to command its consideration.It was all that it should not be and nothing of what it should be to satisfy God's requirement.Its selection was all of Grace!!........

OLAADEGBU:
But that is the sorry state of many folks on this forum.

Not jus here,that's the state of Nigeria in General.reading books and articles is becoming outdated.talkless of the bible.

live4dgospel:
Please can you show me where i quoted from a book? I only quoted John chapter 3. I ask you to get the book to learn more, or don't you read Christian books? Have i not asked you to show me where two types of being again is mentioned in the Bible, but you have not done that yet!

Ok
Have been very busy recently.
What am trying to tell you is that being born again is not enough to enter His Kingdom
One must be dead to this world and alive to the Holy Spirit alone.
That's the only condition to Enter He's Kingdom.
Born again qualifies you for His Life(which is Enternal)but the Kingdom demands His work through you.
Let me say these again.
Let's assume /live4dgospel is a Nigerian.
He's a Nigerian because he was born in Nigeria.(that's like born again)
If you decide to contest for the next LG Chairman and you work toward it and you became LG Chairman that's like entering His Kingdom.
In the book of John3 Christ was trying to break it down to Nichodamus that being born again isn't enough to enter His Kingdom.
The Kingdom race demands works,though you can't loss your Eternity once you believe in Christ but to reign with Him for a 1000years one must for it.rendering himself dead to the world(water) and being wholly lead by His Spirit(Sprit).

live4dgospel:
This is absolutely a fallacious and misguided faith which is biblically incorrect. See your error: You divide being born again into 2, one is being again by believing in Jesus and another is being again of water and the Spirit! But this is a heresy, listen to me and understand if you desire to live eternal life. Jesus told Nicodemus that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God and Nicodemus was confused and couldn't understand, he asked Jesus how? Jesus went ahead to tell him how to be born again and that's being born again of water and the Spirit. So being born again is one-time event, read that John 3 again and see to yourself that Jesus did explain to Nicodemus how to be born again. Did He say there were two ways to be born again? Absolutely No! There is only one and that's being born again of water and the Spirit. If you really want to know what is being again of water and the Spirit, I beseech you to download this book now, and read with your Bible.
[PDF] (2MB)
https://drive.google.com/uc?id=17wYgaNITSYbZMJ8zrf38T6Ft9iQ_YcCX&export=download

Reason why I said you should stop quoting from a book

live4dgospel:
I hope you understand yourself well? Hear me there is only one being born again in the Bible and that's being born again of water and Spirit as written in John 3:5. In that Jesus told Nicodemus what to believe to enter the kingdom of God. He further explained to him And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, signifying His crucifixion. If there is any other portion of the Bible where another being born again is mentioned please refer me to that...

You are still not getting it.once one believe in our Lord Jesus Christ he's born again.
But that alone won't get him into His Kingdom.for that he needs to go further being born of water(dead to the word:Gal2:20) and the Spirit(been Lord by the Spirit)
1.born again=Enternal Life.
2.born of water and Spirit=Enter His Kingdom.
The first qualities one for the second.

Lol