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That guy is a tout,and his thuggery @Okerudo-Urogbo knws no bounds.
Stayed in that area for 5yrs.

Goshen360:
Are you people Jew that you're thinking of obeying or didisobeying the 10 commandments? A christian is not called to obey the laws, the 10 inclusive but obedience to the faith.

FACT!!
Its the giver of the law that actually keeps His law,in and though us.(as the law of Spirit of Life)
God gave the law in the full intension for it to be broken.it was never meant to be kept/uphold at the first place.by so doing,Salvation wil be fully accepted.

Lol,
The guy is funny seriously!!

We are His household. (Hebrews 3:6
.
With all that the Lord needs and
desires to do in the recovery of His
first thought, His original idea for His
people, not the least is the
recovery of the spiritual family. Any
fresh movement of God which
relates to His original thought will
most certainly reintroduce the
spiritual family, and all that that
means. That may mean the
breakdown
of a lot; it may mean that a good deal
of misconception will have to
be set aside; it may be that a whole
traditional system will have to
be discarded.
There is a tremendous value
connected with the spiritual family life
and with the training in the family.
There is no training better than
the training in the family. You cannot
find an adequate substitute in
the institution. Really, the Lord's
responsible and useful men and
women are not trained in the
institution; they are trained in the
family. It is because of the lack of that
family background of
training that so often those who go
out into the Lord's work break
down in the matter of relationships.
The tragedy of so much of the
work of God is the tragedy of broken
relationships between workers who
are put together in an organized way,
and they have never gone through
the discipline of family life to know
how to live triumphantly with
difficult people. There is an immense
value in the training of the
spiritual family and that necessitates
very close relationships. We
have heard Christian people (church-
going people) say that they do not
want to come into too close an
association with their fellow
Christians and church members; they
would rather not know too much.
That is defeat, and that means the loss
of a very great deal for the
Lord. The Lord's way is to bring His
people together in the closest
relationship and not to eliminate the
most difficult ones. He has a
very peculiar family, made up of all
sorts, and some of the sorts are
very funny sorts; and that all provides
the basis of a wonderful
training.

My Father and my Lord,take all the groly,praises and honour forever in Jesus name amen.

Can the convenant in the blood of Jesus be broken or subdue?
NO!!

HCpaul:
Please share your view on this.
Am not trying to backup the man of God but reading through the book of Jeremiah proved to me that most people want smooth talk.
"Glory glory glory, you are bless, undeniable favour and so on."
You hate him for the truth and God will judge you.
Am not surprised that even if you were in the days of Jesus you will behave like the pharisea.
Please stop decieving yourself.

Dude,the intermediate priesty order was abolished over 2000 yrs ago.
So why would a TRUE Christian still upholds such in these dispensation?

OmoPastor:
Christians on nairaland should refute in its entirety the unfair treatment Seun and his mods have subjected Christians to by making it impossible to comment on topics Muslims raise except you ascent to being a Muslim whereas any Muslim can easily comment on any Christian topic without consenting to being a Christian, Seun is this fair?

Dude,let it be.

They knew Him not, nor the voices of
the prophets which are read
every sabbath.....Acts 13:27.

These messages,constituted by a
principle which governs so much of
the Bible. It is deeper than
the words of Scripture, because there is a
VOICE!!that it is
possible to hear the words and miss
the VOICE! The words are the
statements; the VOICE is the meaning.
We have proved this to be the
case by such a statement as that in
Isaiah 6:9: “Hear ye indeed, but
understand not, and see ye indeed
(margin: ‘continually') but
perceive not.” This is the condition
lying behind our basic
quotation in Acts 13:27.
It is sometimes positively amazing and
staggering what even Christians and Christian leaders - can do and
say because of this deaf ear to
the Spirit. They can take up and pass
on most pernicious reports which
are sheer lies and do untold harm to
others and the Lord's interests
because they do not so walk in the
Spirit as to have Him say within:
"That is not true." It is one thing to
include belief in the Holy
Spirit as a tenet of Christian doctrine,
and it may be quite another
thing to know when "the Spirit of
truth" witnesses within the heart to
the truth or the falsehood. It is
significant that both the Remnant
and the Overcomer are marked by this
"hearing the Voice." Jesus
placed the ultimate issue of Life or
death upon this "hearing the
Voice (not just the words) of the Son
of Man."
"Every sabbath"(meeting) they heard the words,
but not the Voice... Let us
pray for the ear of Samuel .
"Oh, give me Samuel's ear -
An open ear, O Lord!
Alive and quick to hear
Each whisper of Thy word!
in Jesus name......“

If he goes there for his Salvation personally thats ok,aside that hes wasting his time.
Because even the devil wont stand with him inrespect of the election.

WinsomeX:
[size=16pt]OPEN LETTER TO PROF YEMI OSINBAJO
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I greet you sir in the name of our blessed Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I trust God that it is well with you and all of yours. I, along with other Nigerians, came into this new week - a week preceding the coming election - with the news that the leadership of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), along with prominent members of the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN), held a meeting at the Redeemed Camp along Lagos-Ibadan Expressway over the weekend, with you present, where it was said that the candidacy of Goodluck Jonathan was endorsed over Gen. Buhari for the coming elections1. I wish to state categorically in this letter that CAN has not expressed the general opinion of Nigerian Christians. I want to encourage your spirit by saying that even if leading Pastors in this country have chosen Jonathan ahead of Buhari, your principal in the coming elections; there are some Nigerian Christians who disagree with this position. And I want to apologize to you for the trauma that you must have endured this last weekend as you watched men in the same work of Christ along with you, reject you for whatever reasons best known to them. I will start my letter to you by briefly telling you the story of my conversion to Buharism. Then I will try to locate the underlying motive behind the decision of these pastors in rejecting you. Finally, I would encourage you to focus on the task ahead of not just winning this election but also helping to salvage Nigeria from the grip of the lawlessness ones.

My Conversion to Buharism

As a Christian minister, there is an incidence in the bible that I am sure you are familiar with. It is one that involved the bible character Joshua. It reads: "13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."2 Many bible scholars agree that this story is one of many incidences where the Lord Jesus Christ appeared in his pre-incarnate form in the Old Testament. Here our Lord gives a relevant instruction to both Joshua and all of us Christians as you face probably the biggest warfare of your life. Joshua waned to know whether Jesus was for Israel or for the enemies. Jesus announces to him that he was for neither. In the process Joshua discovers something that causes him to worship God. I believe what Joshua discovered was that at the point of life's greatest wars, God never appears to take side with any group; rather he stands on the path of truth, verity and justice. And God will side with any group that has these elements present in their make up. I wish to state that God is neither for a Christian candidate in the election nor for a Muslim candidate; he neither for CAN or for a Muslim group; rather God is siding with any group or party that espouses the principles of truth, justice and development this country desperately needs at these times. Any other group that might mouth these tenets but deny them in practice will not have the support of the Almighty God.

These are essentially the sentiments that I came to grasp with when I converted to Buharism. Following Pastor Tunde Bakare and the Save Nigeria Group's endorsement of the candidacy of Gen. Buhari in December 2010, I gave the GMB option a thorough study and came to the conclusion that he was a better presidential candiditate in the 2011 elections. What solidified my position further was the attitude and sentiments expressed by fellow Christians to this decision of mine. It was clear to me that unlike our Lord and Savior who will side only with truth, Christians very readily threw away the Buhari option merely because he was a Muslim. The lie that he would Islamize Nigeria also did not help. On becoming a Buharist, I sat down to understudy the whole foundation of my faith in Christ and I discovered that many of it was faulty. Since then I have had to discard many cherished practices in the Christian faith and even leave the local assembly I had worshipped with for eight years. At the close of the day, Buharism brought me into a firmer and clearer grasp of the person of Jesus Christ. And I am sure anyone will agree that this is spiritual growth indeed. Buharism showed me that Christianity is not a mere religion but sincere love for human beings, regardless of the faith they profess. It showed me that truth and justice are the foundation on which God's throne was founded. It showed me that a person need not profess Christ to be used by him to better society. It showed me that God could still replay the story of Cyrus in rebuilding a fallen nation of Israel in our present political history. Despite my conversion to Buharism, I remain a Christian. But a Christian with a clearer grasp of the person of Jesus Christ. I am now a Christian that is not bound by mere religious sentiments or parochial mindsets. This is what I believe a lot of Christians become when they come to know and support the candidacy of Gen. Buhari.

The Motive of these Pastors in Rejecting You

About two weeks ago, a news items surfaced from one of the many online news agencies in our country. It said, among other things, that a certain individual had been given large sums of money from the presidency of Nigeria to distribute to leading pastors in this country to garner their support towards the coming presidential elections3. While the veracity of this news item can be disputed, it is yet to be refuted by the individual who was clearly named by the news agency. I hope to show here that the motive in rejecting you at that meeting last weekend may not be too far from this incidence. Jesus taught us that there are two gods men worship: mammon or God4. There are no other options. This challenge is bedeviling the Christian faith at the moment and the end result is that the motives that underlie people's actions generally in life might either be for gain or for God. It is not news anymore that Nigerian Christianity is becoming the leading harbinger of a money gospel that many have very appropriately labeled the prosperity gospel. Neither is it surprising that majority of the men who rejected you in that meeting are the leading propagators of the prosperity message in our country. While the prosperity message has many tenets that one cannot explore at the moment, the key point of it all is money: how to get it and how to retain it. Thus the harbingers of this message follow the gangster rapper's philosophy of life: "Get Money or Die Trying"5. This philosophy stands in stark contrast to that of our Lord that instructed us not to make money our god or that of the apostle Paul that taught that if we have food and clothing we should be content6.

Therefore, when these pastors who espouse a money gospel came face to face with deciding on who to support in the forthcoming elections, it was not difficult for them to decide against a sound and properly laid out manifesto of the APC; neither did they have any qualms in discarding brilliant minds in the person of yourself and other leading APC stalwarts; they could not see any virtue in a leader that has no trace of corruption in his record of public service in the person of Buhari; neither did they see the new opportunity for change that the APC offers. These pastors very easily chose what has from the foundation of their ministries informed every other decision they have made in the past: they simply chose what will bring them money, advantage, acceptance with the powers that be; they fell to the god of mammon and gain that they have all along worshipped.

The Road Ahead

I was part of the people who met with you at the "I Have Decided" rally held at Teslim Balogun Stadium two weekends ago. I had received an email requesting my presence and had to travel from Ibadan on short notice that weekend to see you enumerate in fifteen minutes the vision of the APC for the coming political dispensation. That vision is what I wish you will focus on now because we shall reach that goal as a nation by the help of God. At that meeting, you taught us, Christians and Muslims alike, to join forces together to deliver our streets, neighborhoods and offices to Gen. Muhammadu Buhari in the forthcoming elections. The "Change" fever has since caught everyone and most people I know are ready to vote anything but this present contraption we call a government. I receive calls for money and aids from Pastors in Maiduguri and I realize that what I could actually give them to help salvage that besieged Nigerian city is a new government of Buhari who is known to have tackled insurgency in the past and can do it again.

The road ahead will include a preparedness to enter into the greatest assignment of your life so far, which is to lead the largest black nation on earth. A nation that has been bastardized by years of harlot leaders but which now has the opportunity to have a scion of the late Obafemi Awolowo lead her and help introduce and implement the hundreds of laudable ideas that late sage had written in his books. You have a great opportunity to do well for Nigeria in the coming years. The road ahead will also include forgiveness and a reevaluation of your faith in Christ. When you come to power, like Joseph did, you must forgive your brethren who are at the moment selling you away for a pot of red porridge. You are coming to power to help save Nigeria from imminent doom and this is the path that God has chosen for you. These men, who have rejected you now, will face their shame in the days to come. But it is your duty and mine to forgive them and help them realize the folly of their action. To employ the words of the sitting president when he came to power in 2011, General Buhari and yourself "must hit the ground running" from May 29th onwards.

There is so much to do. There is a nation to save and rebuild. There are insurgent elements all around the country that must be silenced. There is an economy to revamp. There is a nation to help place in the map of advancing countries in the world of science and technology. There is a sea of human capitals among Nigerians youths waiting to be harnessed to turn this nation into a developed country. There is an African continent waiting for Nigeria to offer the lead to development and progress. The list is endless. In short, Nigeria is waiting for the manifestation of a son of God7.

Conclusion

It is my sincere hope that the aim of this letter, which is to uphold your hand in the events of the coming elections, has been achieved.

I had argued in previous essays that Christians were not participating enough in partisan politics. I envisioned that a day will arise when a position shall be left in public office that a Christian alone could fill and there would hardly be anyone around to fill it. I am happy to see that when that situation arose in the APC, the leadership of the party found an experienced individual in your person to fill the gap. Despite your rejection by an arm of Christian leaders in the country, please be informed that a host of others support you. And more than anything else, the God of heaven is with you8.

Be rest assured that the prayers of God's people are with you and you have our unalloyed support in this mission. The duty of nation building is undoubtedly prominently connected with our responsibility to make disciples of all nations. If Nigeria, our Jerusalem, knows peace and progress; our calling to reach the world with the gospel of Christ will only be made a lot easier. Go forth and make history.

God bless you.

References

1. www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/02/02/bakare-blasts-can-pfn-for-endorsing-jonathan/www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/02/02/bakare-blasts-can-pfn-for-endorsing-jonathan/
2. Joshua 5:13-15
3. www.saharareporters.com/2015/01/29/kennedy-okpara-distributing-jonathan’s-bribes-pastors
4. Matthew 6:24
5."Get Money or Die Trying" is the name of the hit album by American Gangster Rapper 50cents. One finds that the Prosperity Preachers share similar philosophy with Rappers.
6. 1 Timothy 6:6
7. Romans 8:19
8. Hebrew 13:5

For the time is come that judgment
must begin at the house of God: and
if it first begin at us, what shall the
end be of them that obey not the
gospel of God?1peter4:17
My brother we shld continue to pray for them so that what happened to Balaam wld never b there portion in Jésus name.

The head of APC political strategic must be given an award!!
First is the emergence of Osibanjo.
Now luring Soludo to destroy what is left of the foundation of the PDP proposed/professed economy.

Bidam:
You don't know the prophetic. Quote a NT scripture where you are to demand money for visions. What you are actually practicing is a form of witchcraft in a glorified form. Using the bible to say what you want it to say is easy. A lot of charlatans do that.
The same Saul had to go to a witch in endor to conjure for him the spirit of Samuel when God departed from Him. Every believer has equal access to the Father cos the veil has been torn into two by the death and Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. We don't need a Moses to guide us. The scriptures are clear concerning the new covenant that God will write his laws in our hearts. The Holy Spirit is the custodian of God's secrets, except you are trying to replace the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers now.

Bravo bro,Bravo!!
You have said it all ,the OP is kind of confuse on what he thinks he hears/sees to what he reads in the bible.

Sirniyeh:
For ages past, I have been seeking the right understanding to get convinced about Bible God. And I'm curious to know where was God before Genesis Chapter 1!

According to the book of Genesis, it's written:
1. "In the beginning God created..." Where was God before the commencement of the creation?

2. "...Let us create man in our own image..." The word "OUR" brings confusion. Who were the people (the co-creators) with God at the theatre room? Or were they female and male gods who mate to produce their likeness? Also who were the witnesses that brought the scene to book?

3. "...Let them procreate and replenish..." This raises important question. How did first couple get the idea of having sexxx before they couple procreate? Who revealed the understanding of the hole beneath a woman for procreation?

4. "...that Abel's sacrifice was accepted and Cain was not..." What was the proof of offering acceptance then? And what is the proof of offering acceptance today?

Dear brothers in faith,
Until I'm made clear with dissemination of right knowledge about this issue, I remain unbeliever.

Are you in possession of right knowledge?

Share it and save a soul...

Actually John1:1 comes before Gen 1:1.God was with The Word in the begining before The Word started creation.you asked «WHERE» my brother nothing has been created then,so that question shld not come up.
2.Like i said early God was with the The Word in the begining Jhn1:1 meaning there re two personalities.
Thats why «OUR» pural was used.but in the actual creation of man,only one personality participated that was why «HIS» was used «SINGULAR»(
So God created man in His own
image...Gen1:27)
4.In Gen3.God placed a curse on the ground and you expect Him to accept produce from a cursed ground?NO!

Bidam:
Justification, salvation is a covenant made by God ALONE to mankind, no party is involved, it is a done and sealed deal.....through the blood of the everlasting covenant" (Heb. 13:20).

Simple and strieght forward.
Amen!

Nice work OP.

Philip2: 5 In your relationships with one
another, have the same mindset as
Christ Jesus:
6
Who, being in very nature[ a ] God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own
advantage;
7
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[ b ] of a
servant,
being made in human likeness.
8
And being found in appearance as a
man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Verse6 said He has same nature as God meaning He cant die.
Verse 7 says He emptied His Godly nature and took the nature of a man.so He can be eligible to die.

Nice one OP.

OLAADEGBU:
One wonders what hymn the wise men sang on their journey to Bethlehem since it took them many months to reach their destination.  On their way they must have conversed, so let's see what would be the the top 7 things they said:

The top 7 things overheard on the Wise men's journey to Bethlehem:

7.  "Man, I'm starting to get a rush from this frankincense!"
6.  "You guys ever eat camel meat? I hear it tastes like goat."
5.  "You know, I used to go school with a girl called Beth Lehem."
4.  "What kind of name is Balthazar anyhow? Phoenician?"
3.  "Hey, does any of you know why MYRRH is spelt with a Y instead of a U?"
2.  "Okay, whose camel just spat?"

And the No. 1 thing overheard on the Wise Men's journey to Bethlehem was:

1.  "All this staring at a star while riding a camel is making me woozy."

-- J. John and Mark Stibbe

Compliments bro.

Each person must be careful how he
builds. (1 Corinthians 3:10 GW)/
In other words, that which is of
supreme importance is not Christian
doctrine, mentally appraised and
apprehended, but a living and clear
spiritual apprehension of Christ. That
is the work. What are you
building? Are you, through a living,
clear, inward, experimental
relationship with the Lord Jesus,
building a structure which comes out
of that inward spiritual knowledge? Is
it by that you are growing? Or
are you growing by things said and
mentally judged, appraised,
dissected, accepted, and assented to?
What is the nature of the
building? The work in which we are
engaged, to which this phrase
“each man's work” applies, is the
building of Christ livingly into
the very substance of our being, into
the very fabric of our lives. It
is not a question of getting to know a
great deal about Christianity.
Let us note that. The heart of the
whole matter is the difference
between the philosophy of
Christianity, of Christian doctrine and
the
spiritual knowledge of Christ.
The Lord would teach us - and this is
the lesson that my heart is bent
upon learning, and that I would urge
upon you to make your quest also
- that the ground of assurance is not
in our having decided for
Christ, nor that we persist in the
Christian life, nor that we feel
strong, nor that we have certain ability
as Christians and are able to
do this or that. It is not the measure
of our activity in the work of
the Lord, nor any one of these things
which constitutes our Christian
life. These are simply the outworkings.
The thing which constitutes us
is that Christ is the foundation, and
that we are inseparably linked
with Him by faith. Everything else can
be suspended as a secondary
consideration until that is settled. It is
as though God, if we may
put it this way to try to simplify the
truth, had given us His Son and
had said to us: "In Him you have
everything, and the first thing is
not what you are, what you can do, or
anything to do with you; /it is
what He is!"/ If
only in the face of all you may see of a
multitude of
contradictions in your own life in
weaknesses, and imperfections, and
lack of attainment, you will persistently
believe in Him as having it
in Himself to bring you through to the
end, you will go through in
spite of all. We begin to take stock of
ourselves, measure ourselves
up, and say: "I am not this, and I am
not that, and I am not something
else; or else, I am this, and I am that,
and all this goes against
me." Nothing of all this is to the point
at all. The totality of every
divine requirement in us is in Christ.

frosbel:
What !!!! No respect for the broken families and hearts of his followers who lost their loved ones ? What is he hiding ?
This witch doctor will not be prosecuted because he is 'in bed' with the ruling class of this corrupt country.
But, I have hope..... Vote Buhari 2015 so these crooks can be prosecuted and locked up for good.

Endorsed.

Galatains:3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
mediating comprises of two sides aleast.side A(God) and side B(man).
In the above verse Paul said that AlTHOUGH mediators mediate between more than one person.the B part of the verse starts with BUT¤that God is One.meaning theres only one side which is side A.Gods side.that is,in the aspect of Rédemption Man has no side.side A is God,if theres a side B He is God,and if by chance theres a Mediator He is God Himself.why? Because GOD IS ONE(na Brother Paul talk am).

Goshen360:
These people think everyone is foolish as they are.

No mind them

It means been dead to the world(born of water) and led completely by the Holy Spirit(born of the Spirit)

So if someone doesnt pick,God will/has not bless him abi? Una funny.

danypack7:
I understand your point of view. I really hope and believe that God will help us.

Help us in what...tithing?

Bidam:
oK O, You would have arranged this text in paragraphs for easy reading and quoted your source to avoid plagiarism. Since the source agrees that there is a NT prophet my question is this: Are New Testament Prophet ever used in guidance and control of another person‟s life like the OT or are they used to confirm the already known and revealed will of God?

Nothing like plagiamism here.lets focus on the OP.
like i say earily,the NT prophets are called to declare the full purpose of God to the Church.
In the OT the prophets were declaring the coming of the second Adam(which is the thought of God) when the first Adam have lost his Divline purpose.a NT prophet déclarés the full Gospel of Christ(the second Adam)to the church.according to the full will and thought of God.

The function of a prophet in the NT is to declare the original full thought/mind of God to the church.
Like what the Spirit says through John to the seven churches in Asia.
Rev 2:4
Nevertheless I have this against you,
that you have left your first love.
Remember therefore from where you
have fallen; repent and do the first
works, or else I will come to you
quickly and remove your lampstand
from its place—unless you repent.
10 Do not fear
any of those things which you are
about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is
about to throw some of you into
prison, that you may be tested, and
you will have tribulation ten days. Be
faithful until death, and I will give you
the crown of life.
14 But I have a few
things against you, because you have
there those who hold the doctrine of
Balaam, who taught Balak to put a
stumbling block before the children of
Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols,
and to commit sexual immorality. 15
Thus you also have those who hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which
thing I hate.[ a ] 16 Repent, or else I
will come to you quickly and will fight
against them with the sword of My
mouth.
Nevertheless I have a few things
against you, because you allow[ c ] that
woman[ d] Jezebel, who calls herself a
prophetess, to teach and seduce[ e ]
My servants to commit sexual
immorality and eat things sacrificed to
idols. 21 And I gave her time to repent
of her sexual immorality, and she did
not repent.[ f] 22 Indeed I will cast her
into a sickbed, and those who commit
adultery with her into great
tribulation, unless they repent of their
[ g] deeds. 23 I will kill her children
with death, and all the churches shall
know that I am He who searches the
minds and hearts. And I will give to
each one of you according to your
works.

24 “Now to you I say, and[h ] to the
rest in Thyatira, as many as do not
have this doctrine, who have not
known the depths of Satan, as they
say, I will[ i ] put on you no other
burden. 25 But hold fast what you
have till I come. 26 And he who
overcomes, and keeps My works until
the end, to him I will give power over
the nations—
Rev3 And unto the angel of the church in
Sardis write; These things saith he that
hath the seven Spirits of God, and the
seven stars; I know thy works, that
thou hast a name that thou livest, and
art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the
things which remain, that are ready to
die: for I have not found thy works
perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast
received and heard, and hold fast,
and repent. If therefore thou shalt not
watch, I will come on thee as a thief,
and thou shalt not know what hour I
will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in
Sardis which have not defiled their
garments; and they shall walk with me
in white: for they are worthy.
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set
before thee an open door, and no
man can shut it: for thou hast a little
strength, and hast kept my word, and
hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the
synagogue of Satan, which say they
are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
behold, I will make them to come and
worship before thy feet, and to know
that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word
of my patience, I also will keep thee
from the hour of temptation, which
shall come upon all the world, to try
them that dwell upon the earth.
15 I know thy works, that thou art
neither cold nor hot: I would thou
wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art
lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I
will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and
increased with goods, and have need
of nothing; and knowest not that thou
art wretched, and miserable, and
poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold
tried in the fire, that thou mayest be
rich; and white raiment, that thou
mayest be clothed, and that the
shame of thy unclothedness do not
appear; and anoint thine eyes with
eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and
chasten: be zealous therefore, and
repent.

The ministry is
something which has not
come in with time, but is
eternal. It has come out of the
eternal counsels.
Perhaps you wonder what that
means. Well, we remember
that, without any explanation
or definition, something
comes in right at the beginning
and takes the place of
government in the economy of
God, and involves this very
function. When Adam sinned
and was expelled from the
garden, the Word simply says,
God "placed at the east of the
garden of Eden the
Cherubim... to keep the way of
the tree of life" (Genesis 3:24).
Who or what are the
Cherubim? Where do they
come from? We have heard
nothing about them before;
no explanation of them is
given. It simply is a statement.
God put them there to guard
the way of the tree of life. They
have become the custodians
of life, to hold things according
to God's thought. For the
thoughts of man's heart have
departed from God's thoughts
and have become evil;
everything has been marred;
and now the custodians of the
Divine thought about the
greatest of all things for man -
Divine life, uncreated life - the
custodians of that, the
Cherubim, are placed there.
But later we are given to
understand what the
Cherubim are like: this
symbolic, composite
representation has a four-fold
aspect - the lion, the ox, the
man and the eagle; and we
are given to understand very
clearly that the predominant
feature is the man. It is a man,
really, with three other
aspects, those of the lion, the
ox, and the eagle. The lion is a
symbol of kingship or
dominion; the ox, of service
and sacrifice; the eagle, of
heavenly glory and mystery.
The man, the predominant
aspect of the Cherubim - what
is that?
We know that throughout the
Scriptures the man takes the
place, in the Divine order of
things, of the prophet, the
representative of God. The
representation of God's
thoughts is a man. That was
the intention in the creation of
Adam in the image and
likeness of God - to be the
personal embodiment and
expression of all God's
thoughts. That is what man
was created for. That is what
we find in the Man, the Man
who was God manifested in
the flesh. He was the perfect
expression of all God's
thoughts.
Where has this symbolism of
the Cherubim come from? It is
simply brought in. It comes
out from eternity. It is a Divine,
an eternal thought, and it
takes charge of things, to hold
things for God. So that man -
and we know that phrase "the
Son of man" - is peculiarly
related to the prophetic office,
and the prophetic function is
an eternal thing, which just
comes in. It is, in its very
nature, the representation of
Divine thoughts, and it is to
hold God's thoughts in purity
and in fullness. That is the idea
related to the man, to the
prophet, and that is the
prophetic function and nature......

The ministry is
something which has not
come in with time, but is
eternal. It has come out of the
eternal counsels.
Perhaps you wonder what that
means. Well, we remember
that, without any explanation
or definition, something
comes in right at the beginning
and takes the place of
government in the economy of
God, and involves this very
function. When Adam sinned
and was expelled from the
garden, the Word simply says,
God "placed at the east of the
garden of Eden the
Cherubim... to keep the way of
the tree of life" (Genesis 3:24).
Who or what are the
Cherubim? Where do they
come from? We have heard
nothing about them before;
no explanation of them is
given. It simply is a statement.
God put them there to guard
the way of the tree of life. They
have become the custodians
of life, to hold things according
to God's thought. For the
thoughts of man's heart have
departed from God's thoughts
and have become evil;
everything has been marred;
and now the custodians of the
Divine thought about the
greatest of all things for man -
Divine life, uncreated life - the
custodians of that, the
Cherubim, are placed there.
But later we are given to
understand what the
Cherubim are like: this
symbolic, composite
representation has a four-fold
aspect - the lion, the ox, the
man and the eagle; and we
are given to understand very
clearly that the predominant
feature is the man. It is a man,
really, with three other
aspects, those of the lion, the
ox, and the eagle. The lion is a
symbol of kingship or
dominion; the ox, of service
and sacrifice; the eagle, of
heavenly glory and mystery.
The man, the predominant
aspect of the Cherubim - what
is that?
We know that throughout the
Scriptures the man takes the
place, in the Divine order of
things, of the prophet, the
representative of God. The
representation of God's
thoughts is a man. That was
the intention in the creation of
Adam in the image and
likeness of God - to be the
personal embodiment and
expression of all God's
thoughts. That is what man
was created for. That is what
we find in the Man, the Man
who was God manifested in
the flesh. He was the perfect
expression of all God's
thoughts.
Where has this symbolism of
the Cherubim come from? It is
simply brought in. It comes
out from eternity. It is a Divine,
an eternal thought, and it
takes charge of things, to hold
things for God. So that man -
and we know that phrase "the
Son of man" - is peculiarly
related to the prophetic office,
and the prophetic function is
an eternal thing, which just
comes in. It is, in its very
nature, the representation of
Divine thoughts, and it is to
hold God's thoughts in purity
and in fullness. That is the idea
related to the man, to the
prophet, and that is the
prophetic function and nature.

Bidam:
Well like i said in the post you quoted, you can provide it so we can learn.

Ok.
The prophetic ministry is a ministry that hold things to the full
thought of God, and therefore
it is usually a reactionary thing.
We usually find that the
prophets arose as a reaction
from God to the course and
drift of things amongst His
people; a call back, a re-
declaration, a re-
pronouncement of God's
mind, a bringing into clear
view again of the thoughts of
God. The prophets stood in
the midst of the stream -
usually a fast-rushing stream -
like a rock; the course of things
broke over them. They
challenged and resisted that
course, and their presence in
the midst of the stream
represented God's mind as
against the prevailing course
of things. In the Old
Testament, the prophet
usually came into his ministry
at a time when things were
spiritually bad and anything
but according to the Divine
mind; the state was evil, things
were confused, mixed, chaotic;
there was much deception and
falsehood, and often things
very much worse than that.
Here is the thing to which the
prophetic ministry all-
inclusively relates - the original
and ultimate purpose of God
in and through His people;
the people of God
on the earth in our time have
confused parts of the purpose
of God with the whole; have
emphasized phases to the
detriment of the whole. They
are confusing means and
methods and enthusiasm and
zeal with the exact object of
the Lord, failing to recognise
that God's purpose must be
reached in God's way and by
God's means, and the way and
the means are just as
important as the purpose: that
is, you cannot reach God's end
just anyhow, by any kind of
method that you may employ,
by projecting your own ideas
or programmes or schemes to
get to God's end. God has His
own way and means of getting
to His end. God's thoughts
extend to and spread over the
smallest detail of His purpose,
and you cannot wholly realise
the purpose of God except as
the very details are according
to the mind of God.
God might have said to Moses,
Build me a tabernacle, will
you? I leave it to you how you
do it, what you use; you see
what I am after; go and make
me a tabernacle. Moses might
have got the idea of what God
wanted and have worked out
the kind of thing he would
make for God according to his
own mind. But we know that
God did not leave a single
detail, a peg or a pin's point, a
stitch or a thread, to the mind
of man. I only use that
illustration in order to enforce
what I mean, that prophetic
ministry is to present God's
full, original and ultimate
purpose, as it is according to
His mind, and hold it like that
for God; to interpret the mind
of God in all matters
concerning the purpose of
God, to bring all details into
line with the purpose, and to
make the purpose govern
everything. ........

Bidam:
I didn't i just quoted a scripture, whatever meaning you read into it is your cup of tea.Scripture says a prophet prophesies but ichuka is saying otherwise.
The prophetic office goes beyond prophesying. I already said if you cared to read my post earlier that it entails direction, correction and judgement.Did David, Daniel, Moses, Elijah,Elisha,Jeremiah NOT prophesy in the OT?
This is an erroneous and othordox assertion due to doctrines and traditions. I agree a Prophet can teach just like any believer is encouraged to teach and preach, There is no scripture in the new testament that says a prophet should OPERATE in a teacher's or pastor's gifting.

Ok, maybe you could provide what is lost so we can learn and not mistake this unclear statements you made here. The prophet function is to GUIDE, The teacher GROUNDS, the pastor guards, the apostle GOVERNS and the evangelist GATHERS. It is simple really, rather than hold on to traditions that these gifts are non existent, let's believe the Word of God for once. Because you do not see it in your local assembly doesn't negate the reality of scriptures.

Very funny chap.
Well i will write a brief details of the minlstry of a prophet ,not just for you but for those who are ready to learn.