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TheGoodJoe:

Sorry. You are making a mistake. The Brazil Win was not a fluke. Coach Siasia did not Coach that team. Was it not Coach Salisu Yusuf that coached the Dream team against Brazil?

Forget hu coached d team. Did u watch the 90mins of dat game?

adeyemi2015:
“We got it wrong from the blast of the referee’s whistle; we made so many mistakes," Siasia told media after the game.

"We didn't play like we were meant to. The Danes did not play so well in their first game but they were tactically sound and we simply did not know how to defend against them.

"There were too many blunders on our side. We allowed them to control and pass the ball, and that's how we got killed. It's so embarrassing. 

"I have never lost by six goals anywhere since I started my coaching career. All the same, that's why we are here, to look at the guys that can play, and the ones that we can take to the Olympics.

“It is very embarrassing, not because we lost, but the way we lost. Now, we have to snap out of it. We still have one more game to play, we will work hard to see that one turns out differently," he concluded.

http://m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/11252/nigeria-u23/2016/06/04/24279132/we-made-so-many-mistakes-siasia-reacts-to-denmark-defeat

Siasia jst wasted this opportunity to blend our main team. What a wasted opportunity.

Napoleon55:
I'm beginning to think that Siasia is not the right choice for this team,this is where we have the brightest and the most promising talent in all our national teams,yet Siasia could not swallow his so precious pride or whatever,for those of you who are expecting siasia to retrace his steps and do the right thing which is even easier are advised before hand to brace up for the greater shocker when the final list will be unveiled, because he will still play the ostrich.
I'm yet to come to terms why I. Success is yet to feature for any of Siasia's games. All our best talents have been left out from this team. Iheanacho,success,Madu,Ndidi,Awuziem,even Yahaya

Also left out all these while have been Madu and Simon. 2 promising youngsters. He dropped Chikatara and Aaron Samuel saying dey could nt cope with his rigorous training.

Success and Ezekiel were nt part of d Super Eagles friendlies yet he didnt take dem for d Suwon tourney.

Let me say dat dat win against Brazil was a fluke. We were only very fortunate. Brazil was d better team.

If u guys notice, i dnt even visit d Super Eagles thread. I have lost hope in dat grp. This is where my heart is now and dat guy called Siasia wants to break my heart. I believe dat d new super eagles would emerge from this team and somebody wants to derail that plan.

Samson Siasia we need our best legs for Rio!

I DNT MIND LEADING A PROTEST TO THE NFF SECRETARIATE IN ABUJA BECAUSE OF THIS CASE.

Orkpekyandega:
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Omeruo to decide future at Chelsea after Rio Olympics
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Super Eagles defender, Kenneth Omeruo has said he will discuss his Chelsea future after the upcoming Rio 2016 Olympic Games with Nigeria’s U-23 team.


Omeruo is making his first appearance at the SummerOlympics after Nigeria failed to qualify for the London 2012, but the 22-year-old defender who has ended his loan spell with Turkish side Kasimpasa in the Turkish Super Lig season.


“I just want to finish the season as well as possible and try and help Kasimpasa into a European spot. After that we will start thinking about next season. There is also the Olympics which I might be involved in,” Omeruo stated.


Omeruo has been on loan to several clubs like Middlebrough, ADO Den Haag of Holland before joining Kasimpasa last year.
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I dnt know why he was left out initially. After all he played d 2 super eagles friendlies.

Siasia doesnt want competition for "his boys" now my letter of concern and appeal to d NFF would b taken more seriously.

Watch out for new developments and drama in d next few weeks.

Siasia has become too full of his coaching abilities and i am very happy for today's defeat.

Thank God for this Suwon tourney.

zoboizee:
Troost-Ekong to me his average. he gets beaten too easily on a one-on-one. Dude aint it for me. And Oduduwa is out of it. if you watch the qualifiers, you will see dat Daniel's heriocs won the trophy for us. Our defence was nothing to write home about. Too wide open & shaky.

Omeruo would have been d main galvanizer in dat CB bt in his absence i think we can cope with Troost-Ekong.

tbaba1234:
Keshi has been appointed by Orlando pirates..

I am nt wishing him bad bt I dnt think it is a right move for him.

Keshi's style of play only fits national teams.
I would have been more excited if he was appointed Bafana coach instead.

zoboizee:
If he really wants to perform at the Olympics, the following players & many more should be done with. Otherwise, he his going there to be humiliated.
1. Taiwo Awoniyi
2. Ndifreke Effiong
3. Tiongoli Tonbara
4. Ubong Ekpai
5. Sincere Seth

A victor Moses will be far better than Ighalo if added.

What of Segun Oduduwa?

I mean, with Troost-Ekong, Awaziem and Ndidi as available options Oduduwa has no biz in dat team.

TheGoodJoe:

I agree. We need to erase these insults and also use it to test our strength and readiness.

I am not worried abt our Rio outing. Denmark has really made d job easier for us.

Reminds me of our 1-3 lose to Togo at d national stadium in Lagos during Atlanta 96 pre-tourney friendly . we went ahead to win d Olympics gold.

TheGoodJoe:

If Coach Siasia decides to screen and select the best players after this thrashing, then what happened today should be remembered as THE DANE MIRACLE.

lol! In my opinion after Siasia invites the "real players" the NFF should organise another friendly with this Dane team. This can b played while at the Manchester camp.

We need to teach these Danes a lesson. Enough of all these thrashings.

confun:
This is serious mhen..... Something has to be done, and should be done fast because Rio is fast approaching.....

Madam, no need to worry. Denmark has done it for us. We give God the glory.

Siasia has jst wasted this friendlies window.

Now we can start proper preparations for the Olympics with the proper players to feature at the Olympics.

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Icon4s:
When it is very obvious u took a wack team to dat tourney.

When u get trashed by Denmark, then u will blame Buhari and APC.

Sebi I said it.

We are waiting for Siasia to blame Buhari or Lai Mohammed this time.

Stupid philosophy. Bc he won d CAF U23 with those boys he thinks dey are d best.

Sometimes we followers of football know more than these coaches. I thank God we have been vindicated.

Let me see whether Pinnick and co would nt interfer in his selection process.The coming days and weeks would b hot for Siasia.

God bless Denmark for humbling him.

This can never make front page.

Integeity of nairaland to publish news unbiasedly has been compromised. Especially when it has to do with a particular region of d country.

terzurum5:
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Siasia blames jet lag for loss in Korea
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Nigeria Olympic team coach Samson Siasia

Nigeria U23 team coach Samson Siasia has blamed fatigue caused by the long trip to Korea for their 1-0 loss to the home team on the opening day of the Suwon Invitational Tournament.


The African champions lost to an 86th minute goal scored by South Korea's Choi Kyubaek from a free kick which caught the Nigerian defence –line ball watching.


They play against Denmark, 4-3 winners over Honduras, in their next game on Saturday.

Siasia said his players were not able to play their game as they were still suffering from jet lag occasioned by the long flight from Abuja.

"The flight didn't help matters, but then that is not an excuse for us not getting at least a point from this game,” he said.


"The goal scored by the Koreans was made possible because my players were adopting offside tactics; I don't know where they got that idea from as we have never kept offside in all our trainings and games."


He added: “I am happy the NFF did everything to make us come for this competition as it has exposed the boys to see things from a bigger perspective, even though I wanted us to win this game to boost our confidence.

“The boys now know that they have to sit up in the other games."
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When it is very obvious u took a wack team to dat tourney.

When u get trashed by Denmark, then u will blame Buhari and APC.

Badosqi:
Yeah.... 1-0. A sweet result I must say.


Thank God they lost. They must lose their 2nd and 3rd match too by fire by thunder. Useless team!!



Siaone should better come back home and start real preparations for Rio. We don't have a team yet and the team in Suwon can never be our core team to rio.



The coach needs to disband that yeye team and start afresh. Invite all the 60 eligible players he submitted to the nff to camp. Train with them, monitor them, screen them and select the best among them.

Rio is fast approaching, we need to start now.

Abeg what is ur brand of beer? Let me load ur refrigerator with it.

I have never in my entire life wished any Nigerian team bad luck.

But this time i pray this team to Suwon be disgraced and mercilessly beaten so that d NFF and Siasia can come back to their right senses.

Nonsense.

TheGoodJoe where u keep that ur plank sef?
I need it now now.

Mickael2:
Please o, these boys should stay where they are. These English guy's are pure racists, even if Ndidi turns out to be better than Eric Dier, he won't start ahead of him because he is English, same goes for Madu since their two fullbacks are also English, please remain where you are and develop further we still need you. Move to a team in Spain if you must,they don't segregate over there.

Bros i dont agree.

Let dem go to spurs. If they are good enough dey will break into d Spurs team.

Iheanacho and Iwobi broke through.
If this trio are as good as most of us here portray dem to b then dey shouldn't have problems breaking into d Spurs squad.

TheGoodJoe:

Coach Siasia tried in both Egypt games and took a lot of risk. There was no time at all to experiment, train and screen the best players.

At that time, you go with the regular National team players because they understand themselves.

Sure. That is my point.

linked:
The point is... Experience should be reflected in one's ability...

If you are more experienced show it in your ability on the pitch to cope with a match situation, adapt better than others and show awareness of the fine details of the game...

It show be evident in performance and ability to cope or adapt with the game's demand....

When it comes to experience, stop playing the AGE card..

Ask tbaba why Chidozie Awaziem was substituted in the Portigues Cup final.- He was shakey - a symptom of inexperience at that level.

Yes u are right ur experience should speak for u on d field of play. Bt to say experience should b killed? No-no.

TheGoodJoe:

I do not know why you guys attack me for sentiments. Contrary to you guys beliefs, I am not sentimental. If I want Iheanacho playing ahead of Ighalo, it is because I feel he is better.

If I tell ask you between Iheanacho and Ighalo, who is a better striker, you will say Iheanacho. If we put experience into context, Ighalo will get a nod.

I already said, Mikel is better than Ndidi. This is not because of experience but ability and form. People will say, it is because I am a strong Mikel fan.

That is why I want us not to put experience into context. At the moment, Onazi is not as good as Ndidi. If we take experience into context, Onazi must start over Ndidi. It holds us back.

Let us work more like the way top clubs do. As soon as Barcelona wanted Jordi Alba, it was time for Abidal to go.

When Mikel performed well for the Super Eagles, I think two assists to Obafemi and a goal. Jay Jay Okocha could still carry on and performing well but he pulled his jersey, hung his boots for a teenage Mikel.

Respect Jay Jay for life.

Going back to d original issue raised by tbaba.That Egypt clash was nt the best game to experiment on so many new players. So many good uncapped youngsters were kept out nt bc dey were nt better dan d "more experienced" ones invited bt bc d coach had little time and so prefered to work with the already existing Super Eagles players hu are more conversant with big games of such especially at this continental level. That is jst my pt.

Remember ahead of the return leg in Alexandria i wrote an article on "the dawning of a new era".
We all know it was time for some older players to take d bow and allow for d new generarion. Bt we needed the experiencw of those old boys especially in dat defense for d Egypt clash.

linked:
The word 'experience' has been abused in modern day football.... An individual been older and with more years of playing football is generically viewed as ''more experieced" in comparison with a footballer of less age and fewer years of pro soccer.... However I will say that this view isnt only flawed but a great deceit...

Experience isnt just by the years in the game but the "learning experiences" a footballer has undergone and his ability to adapt per required.

Thus Neymar @ 23 is more experienced than say Emenike who is older and with more years of football..
The reason is simple.. The former has more "learning experiences" than the latter... This could be got in training or real game time... infact the former has undergone unique learning experiences that the latter has not and may never undergo... This clearly makes the former more experienced.

However that been said I agree with TheGoodJoe in wholism that "Form" should supersede the warped view of "experienced"..

Varane (19) was picked ahead pepe (31) by mou..
because the former has become a better player...

Douglas Costa is very good and he been consistent ... but when Ribery and Robben are in their element, it is only normal they start cos they are better than costa...

Sure I agree with you 100%

But to say u dnt consider experience at all. Is what i dnt agree with

TheGoodJoe:

Your points are riddled with holes. First of all, what Savic did in that finals was nothing short of amazing. He was easily the man of the Match. Giminez would never put such a performance. Diego Simeone was sure Savic would match Ronaldo. Remember, CR7 did not beat Savic once. He was definitely the defender with most blocks. For the job to be done that night, Savic was the man. He did not fail and left the pitch with his head held high.

Carrasco did not play as a striker. So how did you expect Simeone to drop Torres for Carrasco. Pepe is one of the fastest defenders. That is why Griezmann and Torres who are pacy strikers were the best options.

Mancini never wanted to sell Kovacic. He was actually Mancini's best player. Zidane respects the boys ability. There was no way Mancini could stop Kovacic when Real Madrid wanted him. That is a pure genius.

TheGoodJoe, i know d problem here.

I know you well enough to know u are a very sound football analyst - one of the best on this forum.

I know u to b very vast abt both FIFA organised and European competitions.

U are a seasoned football analyst

But 1 thing i know abt u also is some times u allow sentiments take over.
Dnt worry, those ur beloved youngsters will get there some day.

TheGoodJoe:

Yes but let us not talk about who is more experience. Let us talk about who is a better player. Who will perform better if they play in a particular position.

My brother u have to talk abt experience too.
Football is all abt team work. More experienced players more easily blend into d tactics of teams. Team selection goes beyond hu is better than hu.

Coaches feel more comfortable working with experienced professionals. They blend more easily with team tactics.

Or y do u think Siasia chose the Mikel sitting in front of the Obaobona- Ambrose CB pairing against Egypt?

TheGoodJoe:


One hundred percent. Mikel gained a lot from Lampard and Ballack in camp. Messi improved working week in week out with Ronaldinho and Guily.

Casemiro gained from training with Zidane and working with a true footballing genius, Luka Modric.

I believed Ndidi gained from playing with Raheem Lawal and will improve from it. I also hope he watches and trains a lot with Mikel.

These will mold Ndidi into a better player.

Good. That is d EXPERIENCE i am talking abt.
U cannot discard or "kill" that system.

TheGoodJoe:
You can not tell but what is important is let these boys keep working hard. Let them keep believing in themselves. That is the only way they can find out if they can become world class.

Fortune Favors The Brave.

Bt u agree they will achieve this over time with d necessary opportunities and exposures right?

TheGoodJoe:


He does not need the amount of Mikel's experience to surpass Mikel. Busquets was fresh from the Academy when he became one of the best defensive midfielders of all time.

Guardiola said back then, if he were to come back as a player, he would come back as Sergio Busquets. He preferred Busquets over a highly experienced Seydou Keita.

Busquets did not need World Class experience to become a World Class player.

He believed in his abilities and worked hard.

The most important thing is belief and hard work. Just as we are seeing with Nacho, Success and co. Onazi is highly experienced and top class. Yes, top class but now, Ndidi is better.

If Ndidi believes in himself and works hard, he can become a top defensive midfielder.

I feel Casemiro of Real Madrid who played the Champions League final against Atletico as as good as Mikel and even close to Busquets.

Did Casemiro need Mikel's experience to get to that level?

U can't tell brother.No one has seen tomorrow. U jst hope and wish that is it. U can't b too affirmative on issues like this.

tbaba1234:
Not with the 'prolific' Junior Ajayi and Awoniyi.

Siasia's adopted CFs abi.

With this two as our CF to d Olympic we will nt qualify from dat grp.

We had these two guys as CF at CAF U23 and yet Etebor was our major goals threat.

Mickael2:
well my judgement was based on the fact that he was willing to drop Mikel the last time out for other players because of discplinary issues. And yes, I watched the Olympics qualifers, God! Those defenders were awful to say the least but that was all he had then since most clubs didn't release their players for him, but if he wants to stick with those crappy players all in the name of continuity then he has turned into Del Bosque who selects the worse from the bunch. But for all we know he could be using the Tourney as a means of appreciation knowing fully well that he won't take the lot of them to Brazil. The point is that we can't decide till the final list is made available

He did nt drop Mikel for disciplinary issues. Chelsea did nt release Mikel just like Olympic Marseille didn't release Taye Taiwo.
The only thing he can say that i can accept is he is inviting players he is sure would b available for d games proper. Bt i still know players that would very likely b available dat he has ignored.

Mickael2:
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Left to me, I will start Success over Ighalo. Ighalo has been off form for months...



they do not play thesame position. Success is an out and out winger at Granada now, he is lucky that he plays with both feet so he cuts in and shoots sometimes and crosses the ball at other times but he is no more a striker

If Siasia would invite Success he will nt deploy him to d wings.

Siasia likes playing natural wingers as wingers.

TheGoodJoe:

Ndidi is showing promise, I still feel Mikel is a better defensive midfielder and I hope Ndidi continues working hard to outclass Mikel.

So no, I will play Mikel because he is a better midfielder, not because he is a more experienced midfielder.

That is why I want us to kill the experience talk but select who is better.

A more experienced player is meant to play better than an inexperienced player but when an inexperienced player is better than an experienced one, then the experienced one steps aside.

That is why Guily gave way for a teenage Messi at Barcelona. Guily was more experience than Messi but Messi was better than Guily.

At the moment, I do not know a better defender than Pepe, Mascherano, Ramos and Pique. That is why these four defenders are regular at two of the best clubs in the World. Not because they are the most experience players.

If better defenders arise, they will lose their places.

If Ndidi becomes better than Mikel, then Mikel should give way.

Mikel was never a DMF. He was converted by Chelsea. He gained d EXPERIENCE over d years to b where he is today. Ndidi is up and coming. He needs to gain the necessary EXPERIENCE to supass where Mikel is today.

Brother, players get better with experience.

Mickael2:
My 2 cents on the whole issue.

First of all, the allegations that Siasia has already decided who he is going to Brazil with is false, why? I mean look at the players he left behind, Success, Nacho, Ndidi, Iwobi and so the likes, they are all starters for their teams or atleast regular bench players. And this season was just completed a few days to the announcement of the squad, these are young players, they cannot handle another competitive tourney after such a long season. And even if they manage to do, it will affect their performances next season, and believe me next season will be pivotal in most of their careers, with Pep coming to City, Nacho needs to be at his best physically and mentally, with the purchase of Granit Xhaka, Iwobi needs to be at his best too next season, same also for all of our youngsters, so this isn't even an issue, he is looking beyond the tourney. These are already technical players who are involved in technical trainings in their respective clubsides so yes, they can blend in 2 months when they arrive so I totally support Siasia on this one, the players need to prepare for next season, it's not easy being an African starter in most European teams, one mistake and you are gone.

Then also, the issue of the injured Segun, I have watched him play before,he is not our best defender, granted but in the qualifers he was our best BALL-PLAYING CB, for now we do not know what Siasia's favoured formation will be but if he requires a 4-3-3 then we need a ball-playing CB more than we need a good technical tackler of the ball, that's just the truth, but I do believe that considering the foreign based defenders that we will also invite, he wont be the best ball-playing CB in the tournament for us so he wont be a starter just a bench piece and that is understandable. And please, Ndidi is NOT going to play as a defender for us! He will be our go-to-DMF, I mean this is a tourney where Neymar and the likes will be attending, we need a good quality DMF not just defenders, I can assure you that without a good DMF, atletico madrid's defence will look like crap and not to mention that we already have Awaziem there who I believe should be the first name on the team sheet, and Kingsley Madu(is he still below 23?) so we have a strong defence line without Ndidi. We should be debating about the formation and technical mindset with which we should approach this Olympics and not doubting the coaches decisions which in the first case clearly is in the favour of our young talents, and in the second case, clearly in favour of building a team that can suit his tactics. Make una no kill me, just my 2 cents

Well ur 2 cents are well appreciated here.

We do not doubt Siasia's technical competence and tactics. What we have been against is his choice of players.

Starting with ur point of d players being too young to handle d busy off season. This is the same period the U20 WC is also played. If U20 players can handle featuring for their clubs all year round and playing d U20 WC in summer what more can u say abt U23 players hu are full professionals and senior national team players already. They can cope my brother.

Going back to team selection u jst mention Awaziem and Madu to b d first on d list Bt i can tell u it is Oduduwa and Amuzie that are first on Siasia's list. You rate Awaziem so highly bt Siasia would pick Oduduwa 10times before thinking of Awaziem. He will also pick Amuzie 10 times before considering Madu.

You made mention of Ndidi as d prefered DMF choice right? Bt Siasia would pick Azubuike 10times before considering Ndidi.

He prefers nt to invite players that will b competition to "his boys".

That is just what we have against him, Siasia.

tbaba1234:
Ekong is not an experienced SuperEagles Player, He probably still has less than 10 caps.

I am not against experience but I am talking of the starting old guns even though they are not playing in their clubs. Especially those who do not even come off the bench.

Iwobi was in top form at Arsenal and how many minutes did he play in both legs..

Form should be given greater priority. Why were players tearing it up , not given a call-up? No reason why Ndidi and Success were not called up.. Why is Amuzie starting when Madu has been in form all season?

By experience i am nt jst talking abt super eagles caps. Does Ighalo have up to 10 caps.

Troost-Ekong has been in d European league for atleast 5 five years. I didnt watch d last 2 friendlies bt i heard he has improved. That is what experience does for a player- he gets better with experience.

Common guys, I have nothing against these young players bt i tell u it would b disaster if we throw all of them in at once and discard d more experience players. Who would dey learn from? Iike d fact that Omeruo and Ekong are still U23. even though dey would nt b in Rio, It means we can develop d new Super Eagles defense around them. Awaziem for instance can come in to meet competitors hu are more experienced and dat will make him up his game and d better for us. Rather than jst giving him d authomatic shirt bc he is in FC Porto.

Ndidi though up and coming would still need a DMF master around him like Mikel to learn from. We dnt even have a recognised Right back. IMO Shehu Abdullahi, though nt a natural RB, has done creditably well in dat position given his level of experience. Bt this is d time to select young natural RB who would deputise for him and then grow into dat position.

As per the forwards, this is an area where d young boys even with little experience easily find their footings.

My fellow comrades Experience counts a lot in football. I did nt even talk abt d goal keeping position.

TheGoodJoe:
I want us to kill the term experience when it comes to squad selection. It is not just a Nigerian thing but it goes on even in club football.

That is one thing I admire about Coaches like Mancini, Guardiola, Simeone and Van Gaal.

Who is the best player based on form in every position? Shay Given at Man City was a far experienced and established player. When it was time for Mancini to choose who was his Goal Keeper for the season, he chose a less experienced and a less established Joe Hart over Shay Given.

At Manchester City, Mancini did not hesistate to drop an experienced and established Lescott for Savic and later Nastatic.

Watching Savic play and mark out CR7 and Benzema at the Champions league final in the Atletico vs Real Madrid game made me nod my head.

Indeed, Savic was a massive talent in defence. I could feel Mancini smiling as he watched that game.

Coach Westerhoff did not hesitate to drop experienced names for the less experienced ones like Amunike and Oliseh.

Guardiola did not hesistate to drop a highly experienced Marquez for a totally less experienced Pique.

If you are good enough, you are Old enough.

Nops. U cannot kill experience in squad selection. What kind of a coach will do that?Players get better with experience.

I am nt saying an inexperienced player cannot b better than a more experience player. Coaches should know where to draw d line between talent and experience.

My argument with tbaba spans from dat game against Egypt.
I ask u also TheGoodJoe would u have fielded Ndidi even with his sparkling form then as d DMF to shield the shakey Ambrose-Obabona CB as against Fielding Mikel?

Certain positions are critical in a team. I for eg prefer youths upfront(AM/SS/CF) bt as u start moving to d midfield and then defensive roles experience it is for me.
U introduce young players gradually in d more defensive positions.