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Na wa oo, everybody calling for home based.
We Nigerians are never satisfied
If Keshi had played all homebased and the game ends in a loss or draw, the same people will say: the home based are not experienced enough, why did he not play the pros, Osaze scored 5 goals in 2 games, he is on fire, Yakubu has scored 14 goals in the EPL, bla bla bla.

by the way, Etuhu is the laziest player I have ever seen, worse than Mikel

Keshi should have started the home based team that won 2-0 in Liberia and that has worked hard for months together. The starting 11 should have been these homebased players. These lazy european based pros just come spoil everything.

But of course, as you know we Nigerians, if he started the game with home-based and we draw or loose, we will say the home based are not experienced enough, he should have played european based

Hear the BBC reporter:
They're back underway in Kigali, where Rwanda are holding Nigeria 0-0 so far. Stella writes "with this kind of display by Super Eagles there was no need to sack Samson Siasia. So disappointing!"

1454 First substitutions in the Rwanda Nigeria game. Osaze Odemwingie comes off to be replaced by Ikechukwu Uche for Nigeria and Hussein of Rwanda is replaced by Bokota Kamana for Rwanda. Still 0-0, 10 mins gone in the second period.

OLE !!!!!!
BARAWO !!!!!!

Abeg, Pap don try, there comes a time when it is far better to cross over and join the ancestor

anyway if na speedy recovery i suppose talk, then I wish Madiba speedy recovery.

at this rate Papa go break Metusellah's record of 969 years ooo

Of course, why u dey dull. Church business !!! Abi dem Oyedepo, Okotie and Oyaks get 2 heads?

Sorry I didn't read the post properly, it actually says 'without patronizing corruption'

In that case, church business is out of the question here

I like this lecture, listened to every part of it. Great lecture. Love it! Never heard of this guy
I have had the same questions and this dude opens up the bible and answers questions

Now, I have read the responses and the typical indoctrinated christians, joagbaje and co will come out and defend their faith as usual, confirm! and I dont blame them for that, indoctrination is a powerful mind-crippling tool. You can even DREAM OF THINKING outside the box the indoctrination has locked the mind in.

Is it not funny that it is the oppressed and suffering people that are waiting for Jesus to come in the sky and SAVE them from their suffering.

You never hear the the rich jews, Rockefellers, JP Morgans, the Ted Turners, the people in control of their and other people's destinys - you never them talking about jesus coming to save them.

this matter is not one for arguement. Nothing is more important to a christian than DOCTRINE, I dont care if Jesus himself speaks from heaven and says he is not coming back, Christians only care about their doctrine and nothing will change that.

As for the freethinkers and others, it's good that some people are willing to think for themselves and ask questions about what we have been taught as kids. Wise idea to keep it to yourself and enjoy it. Cos if you think you can get that idea across to a christian, YOU ARE STANDING ON A LOOOOOOOOONG THING!!!

of course they will be poor. Instead of using their gift and talent to work and make it, they will sowing seeds of faith to pastors God, waiting for 100 fold return to fall from the sky.

meanwhile these same christians, when they see people outside the church using their talents and gifts to become rich e.g musicians - tuface, P-square, footballers: Jay jay, kanu etc, businessmen: mike adenuga, otedola and co - these christains' bad belle will begin to show, and you will hear statements like: 'what does it profit a man to gain the world, ' 'It is easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle, ' and so on. Hypocrites!!! It is the same money they are chasing when sowing seed to Oyedepo, Oyaks and co, but because they are still poor, their bad belle no fit take am.

harakiri:
Cheeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ! ! !

Una no go kill me for dis forum. . .

Can you explain how you came about those fabulous claims? For you to be so bold to make such blatant statements, you'd better have iron clad proof to back it up. So TV's exist in heaven? For real? Which model? Sony or LG? How many inches? Projection or 3D flat screen? So a chariot is now an AUTOMOBILE? My goodness! Was it a V6, V8,V12 or V16?

If you're dumb enough to believe a flamy chariot came down from heaven, you should also be dumb enough to believe civilization started in Ile-Ife when a demi-god came to earth with the aid of a rope. You should also be dumb enough to believe that OPC can use eggs as bombs.

Laugh wan kill me ooo.
You no read for bible where God say his ways are higher than our ways? If we are using Sony and LG, God's ways are higher than that - Heaven will be having Bang & Olufsen and Co, wont even be 3D, it will be like 100D, you can even enter the TV go dey follow the people inside the TV act film .

Heaven for don pass V models since!!! They will be using Z-engines, 0 - 60 at the blink of an eye.

Saddest thing is that na adult, possibly person papa dey talk all this fantasies. What religions has done to the minds of black people

why not!!!
when you know tithes, offering and regular income dey come in on a regular basis
pls stop using this'man with love for god' nonsense to cover up your real motive

I know girls who like flowers ooo, like Carica papaya, Pseudocydonia sinensis, Cactus etc etc

tlops:
I dont know why people think he has a responsibility towards the mother, he should give to them if he has but not compromise the joy in his family. They live in UK and the wife is not Nigerian so all those dependent mentality doesn't exist there. Often couples put their household incomes together and allocate them to what their needs are. Marriage to a non-Nigerian is usually like partnership, where you cannot just give money to a cause that will not benefit you nuclear family.


It wont happen again if na me be the OP, she will not set foot in that house again. "Our culture" that is "so good" is what keep millions of Nigerian away from Nigeria.

we africans take care of our parents in their old age, it is our custom and must be done. It's sad how some whites throw their parents into care homes and dont even visit them for months. In African it is the duty of children to take care of their ageing parents, and the poster must acknowledge this. However, there has to be barriers and we have to define 'take care of' and 'extortion/excessive dependence'  and differenciate between the two. I also think only parents have the automatic priviledge to be 'taken care of', siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles who are grown ups and able bodied should be considered only if the person has excess and more than enough for himself, wife and children.

Kossy04:
Your husband is a typical Yoruba F.O.O.L! I don't know any Ibo man who's in an interracial marriage that'll take such crap from his mother, and yet I know a lot of Ibos in interracial marriages. It's a pity you fell for the WRONG TRIBE!! Yoruba families generally don't like wives from other Nigerian tribes, let alone a European. They're very tribal-conscious BRATS!! I thoroughly HATE THEM for that!! If you wanted a Nigerian guy, you should've gone for a Southerner, like a Calabar man. Even an Hausa family would treat you FAR BETTER than a Yoruba one, it's just that you'd have to be prepared to not be the only wife.

I dont think her husband is a fool. he is just afraid to tell his mother what is on his mind, I guess. it might be because of upbringing

Sometimes in Nigerian Culture, respect for parents can be on the borderline of worship. I dont think this only pertains to Yoruba. Ibos and hausa too can have this - all depends on upbringing.

andyanders:
Note this first, you married an African man and a Nigeria and should know that we depend on each other to survive. Here in Nigeria, we depend on each other to grow and also love each other in same manner. His marring you, you should try to understand that we appreciate helping our parents because they suffered to train us. Nobody, not even the government renders any form of assistance on any Nigerian’s up-bringing.

I am not advocating for any form of maltreatment from your mother in-laws to you. But from your complaint, I deduced here that you don’t like him attending to his family's financial needs hence your complaint that she never complemented your kind attitude towards you and your kids. Maybe you showed this your attitude of spending towards your mother in-law when you took her out for shopping and she was picking everything. You also talked about your husband’s not saving towards taking you out on holidays. Listen, our African culture does not stomach that. This guy is a very responsible son of his parents hence his caring for his parents. His parents must have suffered to bring him up and also giving him good education hence you’re enjoying his present position. This young man is not like some a guy whose parents  stole Nigerian money to lavish with white women outside this country. Like most oil minister's children under the search light.

Please drum it to your ears and note that you married a well brought up African man who remembers where he is coming from that our culture is that, children should look after their parents at old age. Do you know if the parents borrowed money to send him to the UK? We are not Americans or their likes who abandon their parents to be taken to Old Peoples Homes when they are old and will be taken care of by government.

In our culture, Nigerian government doesn’t provide for her citizenry hence we work hard to survive. Those Nigerian guys you see out there living like kings were the ones their parents stole our money and ran away hence they stay like kings, prince and princesses.

Listen, my wife is an American. I brought her home and she even went to the farm with my mother and does every form of work. I made her to go and get cassava, yam from the farm. I tasted her in all forms and subjected her to see if she will complain, but she never did. She came home and even did laundering for my mother and cooked Egusi soup for my parents.
Let this guy bring you to Nigeria and take you to Ogbomosho, to the farm for you to see what his parents went through to bring him up. STOP COMPLAINING AND FACE THE MUSIC. WHY DID YOU MARRY AFRICAN IF YOU CANNOT STICK TO THEIR CULTURE.

I have read this thread with interest and I think we have 2 camps here:

1. People like andyanders - who forgot or chose to have selective amnesia, that before this white woman met your black behind, she has a culture of her own, her own food and language, and way of thinking and doing things she is accustomed to for 25, 26, 30 years or whatever her age is. And now because she is married to an African man, she has to STICK TO THE AFRICAN CULTURE. No wonder you see lots of Mullato kids everywhere, with their white mother, African father nowhere to be found. They might have been living happily in the beginning, but when this mentality of trying to clone someone into who they are not, it's the beginning of breakdown.

but I have to agree with andyanders about our culture - that we africans take care of our parents in their old age, it is our custom and must be done. It's sad how some whites throw their parents into care homes and dont even visit them for months. In African it is the duty of children to take care of their ageing parents, and the poster must acknowledge this. However, there has to be barriers and we have to define 'take care of' and 'extortion/excessive dependence'  and differenciate between the two. I also think only parents have the automatic priviledge to be 'taken care of', siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles who are grown ups and able bodied should be considered only if the person has excess and more than enough for himself, wife and children.

camp 2: Like myself, I believe there is nothing wrong with a woman cooking nigerian food, wearing nigerian clothes and embrassing African culture, ONLY if she wants to, and it should not be a prerequisite for acceptance. An african man should love and respect his wife even if she can't fry dodo. Marriage is all about respect and acceptance, and it's not in one direction. An African should also recognise and accept that his wife has a culture of her own before she met himm, and should respect her culture as well, and not trying to transform her into a Nigerian, which is an exercise in futility, cos no matter how hard she tries, she can never be a Nigerian.

mutter:
IDI AMIN i hope you are no one of those black men with complex that marry a "white woman" and only too soon forget their roots.
I was born an inter racial marriage and my mother could cook nigerian food. Learning about the culture and tradition of your partner is essential and shows you love and resect your partner. That does not mean that you have to change who you are. Most people that are educated and liberal do this. Anyway it is the colonial traits that leaves you believing that the white man is superior.
Abeg I have seen many of your kind. In old age thy go and marry some primitive girl from their village and try to look for a foothold back home.Are you not out there lining like a white man is that not primitive.
Anyway we can donate here for your parents generator.

Mutter, are you serious at all? Complex  I dont know why you feel letting people be themselves and not attempting to mould someone else into you is automatically a complex issue. If your mum could cook Nigerian food, that is reaaly good. I've been married to a latvian woman, will be 10 years in April, I dont make ccoking Nigerian food and wearing Nigerian clothes a prerequisite for my wife to show love and respect. I grew up with 4 sisters and cooking is something I learnt and always loved to do, i ccok my own Jollof rice, egusi, efo-riro at home and she does not have to learn these things for me to love and accept my wife.
Of course relatives come to my place , they eat and when I say I cooked it, they will be like 'O ye ko ti ma ko iyawo e, O ye ko ti ma se egusi' ( you should have been teaching your wife, your wife should be know how to ccok egusi). I dont know in which lawbook that is written, and they will say it with such attitude as if i have done something really bad and not running my household properly.

I have no complex against my culture, I am a proud Yoruba, I follow Ifa/Orisha, and dont believe in oyinbo man's christianity and jesus. My wife knows about these practises and asks me questions when I read odus, but I dont force her or try and indoctrinate into my beliefs, she is an orthodox christian and I let her do her practises with no judgement.

My 8 year old son understand Yoruba, but does not speak as well as I would have liked, My daughter who is 6 speaks Yoruba better than him. My wife does not speak nor understand 1 word in Yoruba. Have I tried to teach her? No. has she tried to learn? No. Is this a problem for us? NO. We both speak english.

There is notjing wrong with a white woman learning her husband's culture and wanting to cook, look, and talk Nigerian, nothing wrong with that. the only problem is when it is a requirement for acceptance or she feels she needs to do all these things to be accepted by inlaws

mutter:
This coming from a turkish woman surprises me.
My dear let the truth this tradition of supporting the family and even building houses at home is very common in Turkey. Furthermore parents and in laws are treated with reverence and great respect. I do not see any turkish grandmothers playing with their children. They have a similar relationship with them as nigerian grandparents. The grandchildren even kiss their hands bow and place the grandparents hand on their forehead.
Allow the poor woman to enjoy the fruit of her labour above all respect!!!!
You paid for her eye test!! Big deal you would have done the same and more for your mother,
The issue at departure. I would have expected you to hug her and kiss her goodbye and then give her time to say her final goodbye to her son alone. Do you know what must have been going through both their heads? They might have been wondering if they would see themselves again or how long it will take. At such an emotional time they need that privacy.
How could you be expecting your MIL to turn into your cook? If you had the right intention you could have pleaded with her to teach you how to cook nigerian food. Besides how can you be married with two kids and not know how to cook even the basic nigerian food. I pity your husbands stomach.
finally when you married your husband did you not know that he would have to cater for his family? Now you want their existence to be threatened. What is the big deal about your husband working full time and you only part time with two kids? Is it not normal?

It's this primitive mentality of yours that break up inter-racial marriages. I ahve seen this many times, when you try to clone a grown a** woman who has lived her life one way, because she is now married to a Nigerian, you want to clone her into a Nigerian, which she will never be. Cook Nigerian food, wear Nigerian clothes, speak Nigerian languages, is it by force?

The secret of a happy marriage is to let people be themselves, when you try to change people and clone them into yourselves, then wahala will start. A white woman may try her best to 'BE NIGERIAN' because she loves her husband/boyfriend and wants to bee accepted, but time will pass and she will get tied of all the ACTING, because a person can only be happy being themselves.

So her husband has to cater for his family, and their exsistence depends on him? Really? what if he dies (God forbid)? so they will go and kill themselves as well as the source of their exsistence is gone. We are talking about able-bodied adults here not kids. I am not agianst helping out if you have excess and abundance, but if living from paycheck to paycheck and have a wife and 2 children, what come first? your children or adults sitting on their lazy behinds?

I do understand your dilemma.
I am a Yoruba man and my wife is from Latvia. Married for 9 years and we have 2 wonderful kids as well. We live in London as well.
One thing you have to understand about our culture is that, no matter how old a man is, his mother wil still want to tie him to her wrapper as if he is still a little boy and order him a round. I know this from my own experience. If your husband does not mind going head-to-head with his mother, then he has to confront her and tell her respectfully in clear terms that his family (you & your kids) comes first, and that she has to respect you.

Luckily for me, my mum is the opposite. she plays with her grandkids all the time and even calls my wife from time to time. But as for financial issues I have made it clear to my mum, 5 siblings and cousins and aunts that when it comes to my money, myself, wife and kids come first. They ask me for money from time to time, I just say NO. Just this christmas, they said they need a new generator in Nigeria, that I should send £2000 to help with the cost, JUST TOLD THEM NO. Then they said, if you cant afford £2000, send any amount you have, again 'NO'.

Your husband should not be afraid to say 'NO' especially to his mum. I am not agianst helping out IF YOU HAVE EXCESS, but when you have a wife and 2 kids to feed and clothe, and adult able bodied lazy relations wnat to suck you dry, you have to draw the line.

Anyway, hope things work out well for your family, just use wisdom and gentleness to speak to your husband and Im sure all will be well

Peace

OmoPastor:
@ idi_amin

thats where you thinkers go wrong: christianity is NOT a religion!!!

so simple but yet elusive to the great "thinkers" 

2Co 4:3-4 (Contemporary English version)  If there is anything hidden about our message, it is hidden only to someone who is lost.
The god who rules this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers. They cannot see the light, which is the good news about our glorious Christ, who shows what God is like.

finally, i must confess that you are closer to your salvation than you can ever imagine 

Sorry ooo, I was wrong. I thought it was a religion.

I was thinking about primary school days:

Teacher: Which major religions do we have in Nigerian
students: Christianity & Islam

what does your Paul tell you christians in James 1:26?

James 1:26
26 Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

Paul is telling your religion is in vain if you can't control your tongue, and you open your mouth saying christianity is not a religion.

I know what you people say: 'Christianity is not a religion, it is a personal relationship with jesus christ' hahaha
I wan laff die.

@Logic mind

You still dey her dey follow religios minds argue. You might as well hit your head on a brick wall, cos there is no way you can get logioc, common sense, and reasoning across into a religious mind.

Religion is designed to block logic thinking, so abeg relax and find something better to do. or maybe we should join them in their prayer and pray in tongues:

sharabababa!! sokorobobobo!!! barackobamabarackobama !!!

Pray Pray Pray!!!
All the prayers you have been praying at for 20 years, where has it gotten you as a nation?

All the gatherings, crusades, I think the world record of crowd at a single event is in Nigeria in a crusade (I'm not sure if it's Rienhard Bonke crusade), fools will gather, pray pray pray, where did it get you? that is my question. No electricity, No fuel, no security, no leaders, no education - that is what years of prayer has gotten u to, and you still say Pray!

A fool is defined as a person who does the same thing over and over and expects a different result.

Countries like Norway, where the atheist party has majority seats in their Parliament and they dont pray like you people - they have a system that works and the people are well taken care of, standard of living is high and they dont have the problems that is drowning you people.

Food for thought, go and think with your head, cos your prayers will not achieve a thing.

Joagbaje:
Matthew 24:5
5 For many will come claiming to be the Messiah and will lead many astray.

I never saw it in a different light more than this before . Except somebody tries to read a new meaning into it. It's true that if care is not taken ,we can indeliberatley read different meaning into verses.

As I mentioned in my post, the newer modern translations have changed the sentence and added 'claiming to be'

The original version in english which is KJV does not say they are claiming to be the Messiah.

You are right by saying someone is trying to read a meaning into it, that somebody are the new translators that changed the sentence to mean something different.

I was having a discussion about bible Interpretaion for a particular passage a few days ago, that maybe can be discussed here as well:

Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:6
For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:8
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name saying I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

The discussion about this passage is that was jesus warning his disciples that many people will come in his name (as his representatives) telling people that he (Jesus) is Christ and shall deceive many people; or is he saying that many will come in his name saying that 'they are Christ'.

For many shall come in my name, saying I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many. Or

For many shall come in my name, saying 'I am Christ'; and shall deceive many.

If we put the words 'I am Christ' in inverted comas, then it changes the meaning to say that these people are CLAIMING to be christ, but as there were no punctuation marks in those days, it's subject to how you want to read it from the english translation.

Interesting thing is if you read the newer translations of the bible, the words 'claiming to be' has been added to these verses in some translations and it is totally different meaning from the original KJV. But when you check the Strong's concordance online, it is clear that it is wrong to add 'claiming to be' to that verse.

A baby came out of her womb, and her hymen is still in place, mmmm

Or maybe jesus take finger break the hymen on his way out

Or maybe na Ceaserian section they do for Mary as the honeypot dey blocked

tOdutola:
Wonderful clarity Pastor, thank you. Just a couple of more questions. From what I'm understanding Orisha worship is not inclusive of everything and Ifa is. Are the limits of practice for Orisha worship just reading those particular Odus or are there any other limits?

Intersting read, I have been following this thread and learning.

tOdutola, you have to pay pastor ooo, for all this knowledge he is dropping here. If na pastor be christian and na church he dey teach like this dey collect tithes, pastor for don hammer o.

where my main man jo agbaje to come defend his brother? Jo never fails to fall my hand when these topics are raised.

March Like marching will change anything. Just be careful as you all are marching, incase Boko Haram place another bomb in the midst of 10,000 marchers

logica:
LOL. I hope that sooner than later, you f00ls will realize that the most honest of all these tricksters is Dr Sign Fireman who stated in all honesty that "God is a game" or something along those lines. The aim is to play the game so well as to buy private jets. That should be the ultimate aim.

Seconded!!!
This is the quote of the year!!!
Fireman is honest about the whole scam these so called men of god are playing with devotedly religious minds.

Sign Fireman: GOD IS A GAME. AND YOU KNOW THE FUNNIEST PART, THE GAME IS VERY EASY'

only in Africa!!!

Oyedepo should have done this on camera when he had a crusade in LONDON about 3 months ago.

The Met. Police would have arrested his love-vendor-daddy behind and dragged him out of his private jet, charge him with assault and physical abuse.

to all you OLEdepo supporters calling him daddy and man of God - open your eyes and think with your brain

elrony:
u be fool!!!!!! smh

which one with the abuse? I dey follow u talk? If you don't know the answer to my question, just say you don't know.

Iam just concerned about how the sister go dey get satisfaction in the fu.ckology department. Anyway, money will compensate for that shortcoming. or make my guy dey wear Strap on

Abeg bride, just make sure you no go dey go out to collect manliness, if you are caught, e go red for your ooo

wait ooo, I have 1 question, when someone short like 10 year old. Is the manliness also be like that of a 10 year old?

of course you can on local airlines like Kabo and Chanchangi

but if you travel international and try that nonsense, you will met upon landing by a special team who will drag your religious behind to a hosital for psychiatric evaluation