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klarry79:
There are as many soldier checkpoints along the Benin auchi, Benin ore road

Because it's a route many Easterners take to get the East.

Ohanaeze I cannot take serious. They are part of the elites, they are only whipping up the sentiments of the Igbo grass roots to force the FG into giving them and their family members and cronies their own share of the national cake.

Once they are settled, they will become preachers of One Nigeria and would betray the Biafran movement of the Igbo grassroots.

I'm still observing Nnia Nwodo, time will unravel all things, but somewhere deep in my heart, I pray seriously that he is not the voice of the currently sidelined Igbo One Nigerian worshiping elites who only remember the struggle of the Igbo grassroots when their own share of the National cake is not flowing.

Cire80:
You have a psychological problem of trying to attach so much importance to the trashes you call comments. And you obviously lack compression.

Read my comment. I said most Ikas don't understand Edo but I understand Edo from my understanding of Ika language because I know the deep Ika. I never said anything about Academic research. Research must not be academic. I make my research from my experience, observations and interactions. and asking my elders questions. You make your own research mostly with online fabrications and concoctions. Ika is mostly Igbo on the surface, but try to scratch out the surface and it turns mostly Edo

Ika is Igbo in all ramifications. Every Edo stain on Ika came through Bini/ Edo imperialistic influence on Ika, and sometimes, outright invasion and assimilation of Edo speaking people in aboriginal Igbo speaking Ika people.

Cire80:
You don't know the history of Oza. Oza and other parts of Agbor have a shared history. There are some factors that helped Oza and the Olukumis retain there languages. These people are very much on the interior without much trade, interactions or migrations from the latter Easterners that came to Anioma

Do you know that there are some villages in Adamawa, Taraba and even some parts of Abuja that's not been exposed to civilization? Do you ever ask why they remained isolated despite the fact that their neighboring villages are exposed? The answer is isolation. Many factors lead to isolation.

Trash!
Oza is not more interior than Igbanke. You are being outrightly ridiculous at this stage with your constant change of goal Post.
First you lie and claim that Ika people understand Edo languages at the first exposure without learning the language from scratch. I busted your lies using posts from Igbanke people on this forum.
Rather than honourably leave with your tail between your legs, you decided to start the Ika being Igbo superficially and Edo internally, claiming that studies say so.
I again reminded you that all anthropological studies on Ika by the neutral colonials resulted in them classifying Ika as Western Igbo and not Eastern Edo.
Now you are changing the goal Post again, are you not ashamed?

blues2022:
@Igboid, I met a guy, goes by a nick name "Let Them Say", and I asked him where he comes from during our course of conversation, he said Agbor, and I was wtf. You are my bro then, and he was like, no, I'm not from the Igbo speaking part, I'm from Oza and we speak Edo. That was the first time, I understood that Agbo harbord two linguistic group, Ika and Oza, an Edoid group.
Ika is Igbo, but heavily influenced by Edo. In Rivers State, one group of Ikwerre that is heavily influenced by the Ijaws is Ogbakiri. Ogbakiri dialect is littered with Kalabari words, here and there... this I guess is a result of long time interaction and close proximity.
This is my opinion.

Yea!
Oza people speak Edoid language even though they are part of Agbor.
The fact that small Oza people retained their original Edoid language despite spending centuries with Igbo speaking Agbor people, is a nail on the coffins of the people that are trying to sell us a fake story of an Edo speaking Ika region that became igbonized over the centuries by interactions with Igbo migrants or neighbors, so much that they now speak an Igbo dialect as a first language, and has no surviving Edoid language as a vestige of their Edo root in time past.

Probz:
And who told you I'm untravelled?

You tell me why you struggle to understand an Igbo dialect as simple as Ukwuani? If not because you are not well versed in many Igbo dialects.

Probz:
I've heard that Ika and Ukwuani have elements of both Igbo and Bini. This is exactly what I'm saying about Igbos ignorantly trying to claim a hybrid group as theirs and only theirs when they've got other features.

I'm an Anambra dude myself and I don't understand Ukwuani one bit.

As a relatively "untravelled" Anambra man, I'm sure that you also can't understand Ezaa or even deep Nkanu dialects.
So what does it mean? That Ezaa and Nkanu people also have non Igbo influences?
What about Nsukka people, are they also hybrid Igbos since they were influenced by Igalas and you as an Anambra man can't understand the deep Nsukka Igbo dialect? Are they also hybrids that your imaginary Igbo people should stop classifying as Igbos too?
Please stay off issues beyond your grasp.

Cire80:
You read but can't comprehend. Not your fault.

Stop talking trash! Unless you are Edoid( Oza nogogo people of Agbor who even unto this day speak an Edoid dialect totally unintelligible to Agbor people), you cannot understand Edo language as an Ika man without learning the language from the scratch.
This is the truth. And we are here to force it down your throat until you either swallow it or choke from it.

Cire80:
Igbanke is not more Edoid than Agbor or Owa. That they're in Edo state doesn't make them more Edo related. I understand Edo from my understanding of Ika language. Ika is more Igboid on the surface and more Edoid on the inside that's why any deep research on Ika points more towards Edo

So, you have dropped your "Ika people understanding Edo language lies" only to pick up a new lie of Ika being Igbo on surface and Edo on inside?


What deep research do you speak of? The free minded colonials and their anthropologists after painstaking studies classified Ika as Western Igbo and not Eastern Edo, what other research do you speak of?

The Edos in Ika, the Oza people, still speak Edoid language till today. They only speak Igbo( Ika) as a second language. What other pointer do we need?

By the way, Igbanke is the most Edo influenced Ika clan, for while the rest of Ika had wriggled out of Oba Bini control, Oba still hold strong Influence over Igbanke through his imposed Enogies on the people whose( enogies) allegiance is to Bini, even unto thisday.

More revelations from Igbanke people. Notice the part where the Edo inlaw addressed the Igbanke man as Owe Igbo.



[b]This is very interesting and funny to me digging into these things because it feels like when those white (half cast) people are tracing their root........lol. smiley

Well i'm not really bothered about the change of name be it Igbanke (Edo) or Igbo akiri (Igbo) because that can change pending on the region you are in, since everyone will want to call it their own way. There is another one which is Omolua (Edo) or Umuolua (Igbo) but i will prefer to stay in the middle to avoid controversy and the middle is where we really fit in which is Anioma, although that is more Igbo.

Why i will say Anioma is because Agbor is categorized as one. They actually speak Ika (delta ibo) and Igbanke & Agbor are forever united and i myself I rep Ika to the fullest as an Igbanke dude. Like i said, i see them as blood brothers irrespective of the fact that my paternal grandmother is from Agbor. Today, Agbor is considered or spoken of as Ika anioma and that is the sentiment i share.

The reality is that (for a kingdom like Igbanke), we can only know who we are if we look at Abgor, then we can also know where we are and whether we are supposed to be in Edo state or not.

Ika is subdivided just like Igbo language too, so there is slight difference btw Igbanke Ika and Agbor Ika but you will understand 100% what each person is saying. Geographically we are nearest to Agbor than any bini town. The bini might be our founding fathers based on ancestry just like they founded itshekiri but that doesn't make us Edo (Geographically).

I am a first class indigene of Igbanke from Omolua as it or Igbo akiri from Umoulua village (whatever). I'm in my late 30s and what i have always known our king to be called from childhood till date is Eze ( Eze omolua) even though most of us call it Omolua. we used to visit the palace whenever we travel. I attended the university of Benin so i know plenty about benin too but my going there was not because we were ceded in Edo State, after all my Dad wanted me in Unilag.

However, i'm naturally at home with Anioma people mainly because of my IKA-ANIOMA LANGUAGE, style of music, cultural attire and way of life with no affiliation to bini which i still do not speak or understand despite living in the town in the past. I have flair for languages but struggling to even understand bini.

We from Igbanke see Agbor as our big brother and that is where we go shopping back in the day. To be honest, Agbor is about 10 mins drive from my village, even though google map states 23mins from Igbanke to Agbor but it's closest to delta than any bibi town.

Naturally (without struggle) all Igbanke people understand central Igbo language and many of us also speak the central Anioma tongue which i love so much because there is no struggling with it.

I have heard the whole story concerning Ogbemumia and how Igbanke became Edo but most youth of today we are not comfortable in EDO and some of my Yoruba friends in secondary school days jokingly call us slaves because we speak delta, yet being trapped in Edo but that is what it seems. when people ask us where we are from we just say Agbor just to spell us the whole question and answer thing because if you start to speak Ika then i and my brothers can respond better.

whether the Oba of Benin calls the king of Igbanke as enogie does not matter but what the indigenes calls their king is what counts. To call the king an Enogie is expected because he will adopt a bini name and title being that he finds himself under Edo state but ask any Igbanke person (first hand) what we call the king, then you will be told it is Eze because naturally we can relate with that without any sentiment, reason politics or geographical background in mind. we just see it as being correct when we use it!

In my village it is called Eze Omolua. My uncle's name is also Ezewani meaning "the land belongs to the king". In terms of names, we bear Ika names, Anioma names and even Edo names which for me does not matter because somethings (especially migration) can influence that.

If you ask Igbanke youths out there to make a choice, none of them will go with Bini because already Agbor and our Ika tongue is a big influence on us. We have been with Bini since but no affiliation to be honest.

Just to add this, one of my uncles married a full Edo Woman though she's late now. Those days she used to call us owe Igbo and she sees it as a form of greeting despite that she knows we are Ika. Reality is that Bini do not see Ika as their kin.

However, i remain a Nigerian.[/b]
https://www.nairaland.com/2592701/igbo-community-edo-state-igbo#up-

The post quoted belongs to Laribari, an old NL member of Igbanke origin. Just noticed he no longer comes around, chai,
Read more of his posts from his profile: https://www.nairaland.com/laribari

[b]WHOEVER MADE THE DECISION TO LUMP IGBANKE INTO EDO STATE SHOULD BE SHOT OR HANDED OVER TO ME TO DO JUSTICE.

I attended Edo State Day 2013 on 21st September 2013, organised by Edo State National Association UK.
From the personal greetings, the music, the introduction of guests to the the Master of Ceremony, every single sentence was in Bini language.

I felt like a fish out of water. I couldn't hear or understand a single word. I felt alien to the event, an alien in the midst of my supposed fellow Edolites. A stranger in my own State! Before you admonish me for not engaging, I can tell you that I did engage but everyone was engrossed in Bini language. I don't blame them. They are the majority but I had expected some translation of some sorts but all that was said was that if you don't understand Bini, just say Amen to some spoken words that I have no clue about. This is selfishness at the highest order.

I have to say that I have nothing against Bini people and hold them in high esteem. I accord the Bini's huge respect. I have them as my friends, as in laws and as cousins but I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHOEVER MADE THE DECISION TO LUMP IGBANKE INTO EDO STATE SHOULD BE SHOT. The relationship is so unbalanced and unequal. It is very difficult to get on when you can't relate to a single spoken word. If you attend a meeting and can't understand a word, how are you meant to represent your people? How do you pick up issues that borders on your people?

It is a big shame that Igbanke have to put up with this absurdity; an alien in the company of their supposed State Indigenes. Those our people who continue to say that Igbanke is Edo are so WRONG and far removed from reality. Unless, you can speak or understand Bini, one is alienated, completely at sea and lost big time.

The relationship is synonymous to a forced marriage, so unequal, so unbalanced and so wrong!
From Gloria Adagbo, [/b]

Gloria Adagbon is an Igbophobic Igbanke woman, I belong to Igbanke Facebook page and I had known her for many Years now, she is a staunch Igbo hater and an APC supporter, yet the above was her lamentation some time ago.
If Igbanke the most Edo influenced Igboid group in Edo state can't understand Edo/ Bini language, what chance does an Anioma Person in Delta state stand?

https://www.nairaland.com/1476072/igbanke-edo-state-delta-state/1

Any Ika person( excluding Oza people, who are originally Edo people, and remain Edo speaking till today) that understands any Edoid language, learnt it from the scratch. But Ika people as far as Edo state( Igbanke) understand central Igbo on first hearing.
This is the truth as we know it.

Probz:
It's a fact that Ika language does have big elements of Edo and Igbo. There may be more Igbo influence but that doesn't mean it's got no relationship at all with Edo. This is exactly what I'm saying about some Igbos living up to the land-grabber stereotype and claiming people who might not actually belong to them because of some vague linguistic similarities or shared proximity, to the point where you're now telling an Ika man about his own language and discrediting its obvious Bini influence.

It's got no relation with Edo beyond some borrowed words.
The sentence and grammar construction remain intrinsically Igbo.
It's impossible for an Igbanke person to understand any Edo sentence, beyond recognition of some borrowed Edo words they use.
Don't letc anyone deceive you.
The aboriginal Edo people in Anioma, the Oza nogogo people, until this day speak a totally Edoid language that no Agbor person understands, their Edoid language remained despite being surrounded by Igboid speaking Agbor people. Oza people only speak Ika as a second language.

[b]Let`s leave what happened in the Edo UK event out of this matter and come to the reality, my names are Uwabor Chukwuma Patrick and anybody that hears or sees my middle name written will quickly conclude that I am an Igbo man, that is why my primary school teacher changed Uwabor to Nwafor but I am from Igbanke in Orhiowon Local Government Area of Edo State

It used to be convenient during the old Bendel State when asked, where are you from? Agbor of-course, how will you feel when someone from Igbanke can speak with an Igbo man from Abia,Anambra,Enugu,Imo fluently and cannot relate to his brother from the same LGA . I remember my enrollment into the secondary school and I was ask state of origin and that was the year the two states came out of the then Bendel State and I remembered my Uncle had earlier told me that we are now Edo State,I quickly replied "Edo sir" but looking on my names Nwafor Chukwuma and staring at me,a Bini man behind me spoke bini to me and I said "I don`t understand" and he said "he`s from Delta" and Delta State was written for me as my state of origin back then.

Presently now where I live here in Gombe,Nigeria we the Igbanke people meets once a month and for the state meeting, we attends Delta State meeting, all these because of language barrier.[/b]

The above comment was made by an Igbanke person in the below thread by the name Ncpat
https://www.nairaland.com/1476072/igbanke-edo-state-delta-state/1

You can check his profile here:https://www.nairaland.com/ncpat

. I'm able to understand Edo to a great extent from my understanding of Ika language, that shows there's a relationship between both languages. Language structure is the same. Same pluralization, same anglicization. Many shared words. Many of these words are going extinct in Ika but we still know some of them that were in use only about a decades ago or two. Sometimes, an Edo sentence comes out exactly the same way it's spoken in Ika language.

You are a liar!
No Ika man, unless Oza nogogo people( who themselves are Edo fugitives harboured by Agbor people in the past, who had been speaking their Edoid language till today) understand Edo without first learning it from the scratch like learning a new Language.

Even the closest Ika people to Edos, the Igbanke's can't understand any Edo language, but they do understand the Igbo man as far away as in Abia state at the first encounter.

escapefromusa:
Ask yourself, if it was not an Ibo coup - what was it ?

Ask yourself if it wasn't an Awo coup, what was it?

This one na better thread.

Only Igbo political jobbers, their family, relatives and cronies are talking about Igbo presidency. And maybe few civil Servants, especially those with substantial pensions and their families

Want the Igbo commoners want and need is self determination.

Blue3k:
Doubt it. You would have war on two fronts. Besides Cameroon as country recognized Biafra. A secessionist group would only serve to make them attack biafra or send millitary aid to Nigeria.

Cameroon it was under the Fulani Man Ahijo, who helped Gowon blockade the Eastern flank of Biafra, how exactly does that translate to recognition?

Cameroon not having control over southern Cameroon, with the rebels who are pro Biafra holding sway will serve Biafran purpose better.
Cameroon will be kept busy by the secessionist group.

The dynamics are changing and they are to our favour.
If we had a secessionist group in Southern Cameroon in 1966-70, the outcome of that war could have been different.

ArodewilliamsT:
[b]Good one. Africans will decolonize themselves by restructuring Africa by themselves and doing away with the vestiges and remnants of colonial oppression, slavery and almagamation where people with differing cultures, political orientation and religious predisposition are packed together like simian apes just for ease of administration by the slave master and future destruction of themselves when the white man goes.

The future African heroes are the ones who will stand up to challenge the lumping and partitioning of Africa by European slave masters at the 1884 berlin confrence as warbooties, even as they (heroes) face bullets and guns for their political convictions. The villains are the Africans who will insist that the creation of the colonial master at that conference in Berlin 1884 must subsist. They will be gotten rid of by natural selection because Africa must liberate itself from the vestiges of slavery by all means necessary. New nations will formed by willing association, by referendums (just ,like prosperous TANgayika and ZANzibar of TANZANIA) and not by the barrel of the gun like the lugardian contraption filled with morons. In all of human history, cowardly traitors have always turned out to be the villains. To hell with the villains![/b]

Excellent post.

How can a slimy Afonja who had been hiding behind the mask of "anonymous" ethnic group accuse someone of being an impostor?
Wonders shall never end
Enwero ife mmadu ayala afu na Nairaland nkaa, inukwa!

logica:
LOL. You are actually responding to someone who grew up listening to tales from ret@rded uncles and parents featuring how Awolowo purportedly committed suicide by drinking otapiapia (of course which was a way of making them feel better and sleep with foolish smiles on their faces)?

Go and sit down. That Awo commited suicide taking Otapiapia is a truth all Yorubas know deep down their hearts, and those who blew the saga wide open were not Igbos themselves, they are fellow Yorubas.

I don't know what the writer of that Article smoked.
Arochukwu people were never slaves of any Ibibio people.
Nsibidi is not of Ibibio origin. It's of Ejagham origin and from there spread to the whole Cross River area, including Arochukwu and Ibibio.

Ekpe seem to have been borrowed by Arochukwu people from the Ibibios/Efiks.

And oh, Arochukwu is/ was not the spiritual centre of the Igbo race, if anyone can lay claim to that title, it will be the Nri, as their influence was more widespread.

As for the Origin of Ibini Ukpabi, I am not really versed in that, but I'm sure it's not as the OP put it.
There were days when we had an in house Aro historian here, Odumchi by name, he hardly show up these days, he would have thrown more light on that.
cc: ChinenyeN, Rodiollo, bigfrancis21

escapefromusa:
Your base you entire argument on Fajuyi . Your logic is as follows:

Since Fajuyi is Yoruba and supported a largely Ibo coup plotist, the coup could have never been an Ibo thing.

However, if it were not an Ibo coup an eastern leader would not have emerged. Neither would a majority of the post be given to easterners.

No. I base my argument on the fact that none of the non Igbo actors in the coup accused Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna of carrying out an Igbo coup, despite the fact that they saw the emergence of Ironsi and death of other regional leaders as the aftermath of the coup.


The coup and events leading up to it led to the death of Akintola and Saraduna,( two staunch enemies of Awolowo that led to his incarceration) and the freedom of Awolowo. Considering that Awolowo had a history of attempt at usurping constituted authorities in the past, it's not hard to see why the coup could be tagged Awo coup, despite the fact that the actors never said so.
That your logic could be turned against you.

Rwanda is Landlocked, not oil producing and with small population.

Nigeria is a disgrace.

I can actually logically claim that the January coup was masterminded by Awolowo, and i Would go on to create conjectures as facts to support that preconceived conclusion.


The way I see it, logically speaking, the coup was an Awo coup.
These are why:

1, The Coup plotters said that the ultimate aim of the coup was to install Awo as the president.

2, Awo until January 1966 coup was the only other man in recorded Nigerian history to have attempted to overthrow a seating government, he was found guilty of treason and imprisoned for that.

3, Awo was the person who has the most rational motive to want Akintola, Saraduna and Ahmadu Bello dead. The three of them rendered him politically useless and he would have rotted in prison ala Abiola style, if the Jan Coup didn't happen. Akintola, Balewa and Bello all ended up dead in the January coup, coincidence? I don't think so.

4, Any iota of doubt of Awo's capability of staging a hostile take over had been obliterated by his failed attempt to usurp IBB, that ultimately led to his demise.

This will be my argument, and I can drag it with Yorubas for eternity and I won't move my stand, as they won't be able to completely debunk my argument, but it wouldn't matter, since I would have already planted the seed of Awo masterminded coup on the minds of gullible onlookers.

This is exactly what the Lagos-Ibadan propaganda machine had done with their "Igbo coup" propaganda.

What we know so far from history:

1. Fajuyi mentored and supported Nzeogwu and co coup. He obviously never saw it as an Igbo coup.

2. When the coup failed, Fajuyi still never saw the coup as Igbo coup, he shielded Nzeogwu and co from execution as he pleaded their case before Ironsi.

3. Ademoyega one of the key actors of the coup at no point called the coup Igbo coup, even after it failed

4. The propaganda of "Igbo coup" as propagated by treacherous elements from south west could not stand without first exonerating Fajuyi from the coup, and this they had to do by propounding the Matyr falsehood story for Fajuyi, but we know better.

Here is what Max silloun has to say about Fajuyi:nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/main-square/33870-life-times-colonel-adekunle-fajuyi.html


Here is what Nwankwo an Eye witness to Ironsi final moments had to say:www.nairaland.com/1076677/real-story-how-lt.col-fajuyi

[b]Lt. Col. William Walbe (rtd) said:
“……..We arrested him as we arrested Ironsi.We suspected him of being party to the January coup.You remember the Battle Group Course which was held at Abeokuta….Fajuyi was the Commander of the Battle Group Course…All those who took part in the January coup were those who had taken part in that course.It gave us the impression that the Battle Course was arranged for the January coup, so he had to suffer it too. I am sorry about that but that is the nature of the life of a military man……..”
General Danjuma confirms this opinion.He says that at another training camp in Kachia commanded by Lt. Col. Fajuyi, Major Nzeogwu rehearsed the assault on Sardauna’s house in the presence of some northern mortar officers who did not appreciate the significance of the exercise until after the coup.In Danjuma’s words, “The chaps could not stomach Fajuyi such that if there was anybody who should die first, as far as they were concerned, it was Fajuyi, not even Ironsi.”
How true are these claims about Fajuyi’s role in the January coup?I found an answer in the book “Why we Struck” by Major Adewale Ademoyega, one of the January mutineers and a Yoruba officer like Fajuyi.Ademoyega states that Fajuyi supported the first coup, knew of it and made suggestions to plotters on how it could be best carried out.According to Ademoyega, that he did not actively participate was only as a result of his posting at the time the coup was launched.However, Ademoyega eulogizes the late Colonel for opposing all efforts in the Supreme Military Council to bring the January 15 coupists to trial.[/b]

First of all, the motive for Yoruba continual propagation of the Igbo coup propaganda even more than the North themselves must be clearly exposed.


"They( Yorubas) know that the Yoruba-Northern alliance was built on the fabricated Fajuiyi matryr story, for without that, the Yorubas would come to ridicule for over looking the murder of the military governor in Yorubaland by Northerners without not only doing nothing about it, but jumping into bed with same Northerners.

"The Fajuyi. falsehood story is the glue that holds the Western propaganda of "Igbo coup", unglue the falsehood, and that Igbo coup story falls face flat".

I would have stayed away from this "Igbo coup" Yoruba propaganda, since I am already bored discussing it, but since slimy Yoruba fellows here won't give it a Rest, I think they are due for debunking as usual.

If the coup was an Igbo coup as propagated by demonic elements from "the usual quarters", how do we explain away Fajuiyi involvement in the coup.

Fajuyi it was Who the "boys" ( Nzeogwu and co) looked up to as a model, and information available show that Fajuyi though not directly involved in the coup, was always giving inputs to the boys on how to go about it, and even when the coup failed, Fajuiyi stood with the boys, and obstructed Ironsi from prosecuting them, this angered the Northern junta alot, and that was why Fajuiyi was penciled down for execution by Northerners.

The only way the Igbo coup agenda of Yorubas could work is by delisting Fajuyi from the Northern kill list, this was why the propaganda of Fajuyi being killed because he was pleading for Ironsi life was manufactured by these treacherous people.

You know One thing about propaganda and lies? Once you make up one, you have to make up thousand more to support the first one, and you end up leaving trails in the end.