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[b]Now to the matter of Zik-Eyo Ita face-
off:On the eve of the 1951 elections in
which Azikiwe contested for a seat in the
Western House of Assembly from his
Lagos base, Zik declared that he was not
going to accept a ministerial post in “an
inferior legislature of the colonial type”.
In other words, he was not prepared to
serve as minister (premier or prime-
minister) at regional or national level in
the then premature Nigerian political
system. His object, he said, was to
achieve an NCNC majority in the regional
and central legislatures that would act to
“paralyse the machinery of government”
and lead to a reformation of the
Constitution.The Macpherson Constitution
had provided for “semi-responsible
government” at the centre and in the
regions.
The official phrase was “responsible
government within defined limits”. Zik did
not accept this. He wanted total
independence. This was what informed
his declaration above. It was a grand
tactics for national independence that the
Action Group later imbibed.
After the upheavals in the Western House
of Assembly,Zik began to rally his
partymen to the achievement of the
above-stated objectives. This took some
time. Eventually, however, the NCNC
resolved and called its central ministers
to resign in order to actualise the above
independence strategy.
But these ministers were now enjoying
their new stations in life, the perquisites
of ministerial office. Some of them did
not, therefore, want to give up the
positions. In so doing, they were
undoubtedly sabotaging and delaying the
independence struggle that had already
got them to where they were.
Three NCNC central (national) ministers
were the first culprits and were summarily
dismissed from the party. They were
A.C.Nwapa (Igbo), EniNjoku (Igbo) and
Okoi Arikpo(Ogoja).
ONLY DrEndeley (Cameroun) was
supportive of the tactics.Eyo Ita, the Head
of Government Business in Eastern
Nigeria and some of his ministers picked
against the policy and were flabbergasted
when the central ministers were
dismissed by the party. Of course, when
the party asked them to resign, they
equally rebelled against the party and
refused to comply. They became known
as ‘sit-tight ministers’.
Amongst them wereEyoIta (Ibibio),E.I.Oli
(Igbo), S.J.Una (Ogoja), R.I.Uzoma (Igbo),
S.W.Ubani-Ukoma (Igbo) and
S.J.Koripoma (Ijaw). Those who complied
with party directive and resigned were
Dr.M.I.Okpara (Igbo), M.C.Awgu (Igbo)
and S.T.Muna (Bamenda, Cameroun).[/b]

I can see the slimy Afonja who goes under the veneer of anonymous ethnic group and his fellow afonjas people are out again with their Igbophobic distortion of facts.

For the avoidance of doubt, Eyo ita was not ousted by Zik in the Eastern house,Eyo ita and his fellow sit tight Eastern minister's ousted themselves from NCNC over irresolvable ideological differences, and his ousting had no ethnic coloration whatsoever to it, as his fellow sit tight ministers who decamped from NCNC were mainly Igbos.

hungryboy:
It's will be very hard to scrap a scheme like Nysc in Nigeria

Because na some Ogas at the top racket be that


You comot all those supply of uniforms
Shoes food etc contracts from dem Oga hand


Dem no go gree you


Nysc no get any benefit
Scrap am

True!
Even the LGIs and the rest of the NYSC staff were mostly put there by the ogas at the top.
At this point, it's impossible to scrap the NYSC, just as its impossible to scrap the Nigerian bilateral legislature system, even though it's a well known knowledge that both are wasteful fruitless ventures.

agadez007:
Too much ignorance in this thread,somebody who dosent knw dat all parts of Igboland have their own dialects acting like an authority on igbo language,I am from ANAMBRA based in OWERRI,there is a mountain of difference btw what i speak nd what they speak in IMO
Let me gve some examples
To laugh is ichi ochi in Owerri but in my side its 'Imu Amuu',an Imolite who av never interacted with my side of Ndi anambra can never understand that

We will say gini,some nnewi will say gunu,while owerri is NINI

We say kitaa for now,an owerri will say ugbulaka
We say iteghete for nine,they will say itolu

We say EBEA For here,they say NGA

These are few of the diff btw idemili and owerri,we also have diff in FOOD
If u dont knw asj and stop making mockery of urself

True.
Ezza say "Gunu", Orumba in Anambra say "Nnu", Like you already pointed out, Owerri( Oratta) say "Nini", Ikwere say "Kini", these things vary from place to place in the Igbo dialect continuum.

Ezaa people will say "Bia ikaa"
Orumba will say "Bia kan"
Nkanu will say "Bia Weehu/Nowa"

"Ikaa", "Weehu/Nowa" and "Kan", meaning HERE, yet "Ebea" was chosen as central Igbo, which all of them use when communicating with Igbos not from their own parts of Igboland.

gerg:
What is this one saying? Idemili and environs are affiliated with Anioma so they speak like Anioma in some occasions. but what do you mean Ika and Ukwani don't sound that way?

Idemili speak that way not because we are affiliated to Anioma, cos we are not.

We speak that way because we are close to Enu-ani. The closer Igbo groups are, the similar their dialects sound. This is common sense.

ezenaija:
At least I know enough to identify that you are another shallow minded one from my place.

You are the shallow ignorant one, who knows next to nothing about the political history of Ndiigbo and those of other Nigerian groups, yet you had the temerity to make a denigrating comment about Ndiigbo while hiding under the veneer of being Igbo.

Stay off this section if you won't cure yourself of your low esteem and Ignorance.

Killitoff:




Flat head and lies. You devilish people are worst animals on earth, the same Fayose you animals worship daily, same man that attack the FG for any ipob animals killed in the Sad beast, you lots are shameless hypocrites. The greatest curse is losing 3m deluded animals to a country, losing election in same country and finally buried by same country. Its a shame and spits on the Ibo race. Ojuiku of cursed memory deserve no rest in his smelly grave.

Shame on you flat heads.

No Igboman takes Fayose serious. We are just happy to see him trade words with APC, he is a comic relief to us.

No, the greatest curse is being trapped with Arewa in an Islamic republic of Arewa-Odunanistan, which is what the future holds for Afonjas in SW, as is already a reality for those in Ilorin and environment.

Your black Scorpion is cursed, relieved of his duty shamefully with no benefits, died in penury and poverty, a forgotten villain. Awo died of cheap Otapiapia, tormented by the evils he did into taking his own life.
The shame is on you.

RockHard:
Crap. Do graduate/non-graduate working adults and 40, 50, 60, 70yr olds sit for JAMB? No, they don't but guess what? They have phones. Quit being disingenuous. I know you're an igbo supremacist and all, but you need to learn to be objective at times. Everything shouldn't be reduced to and given an ethnic and tribal coloration. Your attempt to discredit the Telco data is dead-on-arrival.

Are you implying that SE has more youths than SW?
Basilo, my brother had done a good job on you in my absence.
JAMB figure is a better assessment seeing as one Person can only register once in a sitting and one's state of Origin is reflected irrespective of the state the person sat for the exam at.

Your telecom data is highly flawed because, one person can maintain 40 or more Sims, the state of Origin of individuals were not reflected.

RockHard:
Lol. Guy, you are better than this. How many students actually sit for jamb in a year relative to the number of those that don't get to? What percentage do them represent of the total student body in Nigeria? What demographic and age-group/bracket do they represent? Your logic simply won't fly. I might as well refer you to the raw WAEC data below as being representative of the population of the country. But even I know better than to do that.

It is believed that all Southern groups pursuit education up to tertiary level.
So yes, JAMB is a better bench mark than telecom data, for while telecom data do not take cognizant of state of Origin, JAMB data does. The Igbo population is one that is in constant motion, JAMB stats capture state of Origin and thus is a superior tool.
Your WAEC stats does not take cognizant of state of Origin, for if it does, it would be seen that quite a significant number of those that sat for the exam at SW, SS and even Northern states are Igbos.

This is the 1938 colonial estimation of population of Nigeria groups:https://www.nairaland.com/3400415/1931-population-figures-nigerian-ethnic

RockHard:
There are way more reliable data out there to guide us as to the true picture of things instead of this rubbish guesswork. NBS and the Telcos have made life much easier.

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/report/486

Phone is not a basic need, and some even have more than one active lines.
I don't think it's a reliable population estimate.

I think since Yorubas claim to be Education loving as Ndiigbo and likewise SS tribes, the best way to get a population estimate is checking the population of subscribers of Of basic needs like Education.

In this case, JAMB enrollment stats for states is more weighty than phone subscription, and we know the SE had led the JAMB enrollment numbers in Nigeria for over 20 years now, this too is in conformation with the colonial population estimates that placed the population of Ndiigbo many levels ahead of those of Yorubas.
https://www.nairaland.com/237534/look-going-school-nigeria-statistics

Blue3k:
I devote 1 topic to you and you start wailing. The pretense is its interesting topic. I'm free to discuss what ever I please just like you free to cry your eyes out. Nobody obsessed with you. You posted multiple times looking for my attention. You are free to leave thread. If you don't want to its ok. Cry some more bump thread for me .

Lol! And the obsession continues!
You will not be allowed to run amok here with unfounded falsehoods. You will as always be put in check, whether you like it or not.

gerg:
What is this one saying? Idemili and environs are affiliated with Anioma so they speak like Anioma in some occasions. but what do you mean Ika and Ukwani don't sound that way?

Ika and Ukwuani sound less light and fluent, unlike Enu-ani and Idemili.
Ika and Ukwuani are highly tonal with your non observance of the rule of "Ndakorita Udaume" , which Redbonesmith had done justice on with that his post.

Both Ika and Ukwuani sound like dialect clusters found in Imo state.
Ika more than Ukwuani.

Nobody on your case you guys hop on every thread crying about marginalization or wanting to leave zoo. In reality haven't taken actual steps political steps since civil war to do so.

Like I said biafra independence is in infancy still mere fridge unless you can win any seats in State or nNational Assembly.


This is the point I'm talking about. Obsession with Igbo case.
How exactly is it any of your concern as an Akwa Ibom man you "claimed" to be, if Ndiigbo cry or doesn't cry about marginalization in the Nigerian state?
Are you through addressing the issues going on in Akwa Ibom to start meddling in Igbo case, or how many times have you seen Igbos meddling into your Akwaibom issue?
Even Akpabio lamented Of the marginalization of the entire defunct Eastern region post civil war, when Awo and his Arewa partners hijacked the 3Rs meant for the East and took it to Lagos.

Whether Biafra is still in infancy or old age is none of your business, if you don't consider yourself a Biafran.
Biafran self determination groups had chosen their own route to go about accomplishing their set objectives, it's not in your place as a non-Biafran to support, criticize, condemn our methods, after all we know that irrespective of the method we choose, Nigerians like you will never feel comfortable with our self determination movement. So why the pretense?

Nobody on your case you guys hop on every thread crying about marginalization or wanting to leave zoo. In reality haven't taken actual steps political steps since civil war to do so.

Like I said biafra independence is in infancy still mere fridge unless you can win any seats in State or nNational Assembly.


This is the point I'm talking about. Obsession with Igbo case.
How exactly is it any of your concern as an Akwa Ibom man you "claimed" to be, if Ndiigbo cry or doesn't cry about marginalization in the Nigerian state?
Are you through addressing the issues going on in Akwa Ibom to start meddling in Igbo case, or how many times have you seen Igbos meddling into your Akwaibom issue?
Even Akpabio lamented Of the marginalization of the entire defunct Eastern region post civil war, when Awo and his Arewa partners hijacked the 3Rs meant for the East and took it to Lagos.

Whether Biafra is still in infancy or old age is none of your business, if you don't consider yourself a Biafran.
Biafran self determination groups had chosen their own route to go about accomplishing their set objectives, it's not in your place as a non-Biafran to support, criticize, condemn our methods, after all we know that irrespective of the method we choose, Nigerians like you will never feel comfortable with our self determination movement.

Btw, OP.
I noticed that you have been carrying Igbo/Biafran case like gala everywhere on NL.
I'd advise you watch it. Those Who do such always end up bitter,and some had even taken their own life.

I'm sure you have your own ethnic group, focus on them and how to advance their lots in this colonial entity, and leave Igbos to their own whims and caprices, but Of course, like I had learnt, most Nigerian people/groups commonly feel that the only way to better the lots of their own people, is by being on Igbo case 24-7, so I wouldn't be surprised if you are the same.

OP, MASSOB is not a political party, likewise IPOB and other groups leading Igbo self determination.

How popular is desire for self determination amongst the Igbo population? Well, only referendum will give you that result, and we all know what the result of that referendum would be, if we be truly honest with ourselves, just as Gowon knew what the result of such referendum would have yielded in 1968 and outrightly rejected it.

Opakan2:
To be honest, I feel nothing but pity for you lots.. some of you will think it's envy or fear of losing igbos but there's seriously nothing to envy about you guys.

You people have nothing to sustain that region in the event of breakup. The SS that ya'll think will go with you have right to decide what they want and from all indices, they are not interested in biafra. Wike confirmed this

you people will be so poor in that region that you will end up eating yourselves with the nutrients rich ugwu leaves all over the place

Obviously we don't think alike.. igbos look in one direction and go not minding the possible outcomes and how it will favour them.. something yorubas and the North don't have
so you see why they are always the odd ones out in everything

Lol! Crying more than the bereaved.

RedboneSmith:
If tomorrow you people start talking about things you don't know, I will still sound the way you will not like.

Lol! And you won't be seeing our good side either when your Igbophobic/ Igalaphilic side rears it ugly head, we would be here to put it in check, So, it's a two way thing. Takes two to tangle, you know.

RedboneSmith:
It is very easy to pick a perspective and leave out other perspectives. Ika and Enuani do have many similarities due to interrelations and common linguistic influence from Benin, no doubts there.

On the other hand, I can point out many, many points of convergence between Oshimili and Anambra dialects like Idemmili. Even 'nke i' instead of nke gi which you pointed out is common throughout Idemmili area and beyond.

One obvious common trait is that Enuani and Anambra uses n to replace l in Ika. So Enuani and Anambra say Ani and not ali like in Ika, and enu and not elu as in Ika.

Anambra and Enuani also use l to replace r in Ika. So Enuani/Anambra say ala while Ika will say era.

Ika will use e where Anambra and Enuani will use a. Ekwa/Akwa, ekwukwo/akwukwo, ekpa/akpa etc.

I can actually go on and on. I do not believe Anioma is one language like you said because evidence does not suggest so.


Anambra people communicate much more easily with us than they can communicate with Ika folks.

Now, this is good.
If only you would sound this way more often.

Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma.

This is same in Idemili.

I have heard Ika before, it doesn't sound this way, including Ukwuani/Ndokwa. Only Enu-ani sound this way.
Only Enu-ani speaking Ika people like Igbodo sound that way too.

Killitoff:
Flat head, Just like your pathetic leaders that called APC, Amala and Almajiri party but rushing to same party. This same Fayose was the only voice when your coward kinsmen were slaughtered in Enugu by ragtag herdsmen, he is more brave than ojuiku of cursed nemory.

Shameless people that cant even stand by their own words. Beautiful bride of the country. Pathetic

Fayose was a typical Afonja noise maker, he couldn't be his own voice let alone the voice of a people greater than him. His words like those of typical Afonjas mean nothing.
There is no greater curse on Earth than for someone to take his own life, like Awolowo did with 5 Naira otapiapia.
The shame is on Afonjas.

iSlayer:
Sir,they deny Igbo. It's not just as strong as the Ikwerre.

True! Etche has many Igbo denials, and many proud Igbo people.

Etche involvement in Rivers politics and their Igbo denial has not brought them much political and economic upliftment as it did for Ikwerres.
Instead it resulted in Ikwerres eclipsing them. This makes the Igbo denials amongst them look stupid and those who uphold their Igbo origin appear wise.
The highest political post an Etche man had ever wielded was achieved by Late Mazi Nwuke and this was achieved in the Eastern region, when Etche was not playing the Igbo denial politics.
http://nigerianwiki.com/Jonas_Nwuke

And yet, Achebe died a Biafran at heart, for even him realized as all rational non parasitic being would, that Nigeria has no future.

onnenka:
This is why we say Fayose is greater than Awolowo.
Awolowo could never have said this about his northern masters.

Lol! I ga egbukwa ndi ofe!

Anyway, No sensible person should take any Afonja( Fayose) serious, these people are slimy and a used tissue paper has more value than their words, when the kitchen gets too hot, Fayose will jump the ship.

momentarylapse:
I don't want to dwell on some of the inaccuracies in your post but Let me ask you one simple hypothetical question! If the Igbos of nigeria let's say by April 1st are granted the right to go and form _biafra? Which states would make up the country?

I fail to see how it is any of your concern, the tribes of Igbo speaking people that will make up Biafra or the non Igbo tribes that might end up joining us.

How about you stop being obsessed with the Igbo future plans for self determination and focus on what will become Of your own people in the Islamic republic of Arewa-Oduanistan, which is what the remnant of Nigeria will turn into, Post Igbo independence.

Kingsley1000:
igbos have the smallest land mass in nigeria,but our region is very much underdeveloped,we don't have any standard/planned city(unlike what is obtainable in the north/west,thats why most of our elites don't like establishing here,they prefer an organized and sane society),no roads,erosion is rapidly engulfing us,i wonder what our respective governors are really doing our allocations and taxes

www.nairaland.com/2031155/enugu-makes-history-joins-worlds
www.nairaland.com/2576371/eastern-neighbourhoods-streets-made/1

I understand that you are an Afonja masquerading as an Igbo,but that's no reason to be behaving stupid and polluting the cyberspace with stupidity.

Ndiigbo are not the cause of your frustrations in life.
That we have sworn to cut any link between us and the people of Arewa-Oduanistan is no reason for you lots to be convulsing on Igbo matters.

You lots should get a grip and move on. Marriage can never be by force.

Lol! Where are the AKBs?
Guess they have gone extinct.
Shame on the AKBs, they have brought this once promising club to the ground, turned her into the laughing stock of the entire Europe, because they are simply delusional and lacking in basic rational thinking.

Funlordmaniac:
I'm not even a yoruba guy but I know your stupidity makes you believe that because nairaland is owned by one then anybody that tries to enlighten you simians must be one! I would actually prefer if you remain with your stinky cowardly drug peddling ipob brothers anyway! Like mazi chukwumalu over here...

How can One so lacking in intelligence and basic understanding like you, speak of enlightening an ethnic group who neither you nor your inconsequential people can measure up to her people and their achievements?
Who bewitched you?

Opakan2:
let him be deceiving himself on the internet.
Igbos in Anambra won't sell land for their fellow igbo from Imo or Ebonyi talk less of other tribes

Even the non-igbos that manage to open business there can't prosper, they will break into their shops, make life hard for them just cos they don't want others to take their gains

I can go on and on... but they want to do things they can't allow on other people's soil.
Eyes don open now, thank God for civilization

Any evidence to back the above trash coming from you?

4Play:
Zik was implicated in corruption and Ojukwu was involved somewhat in the Abacha for president charade. But I take your point that Igbos, of the major ethnic groups, have the least culpability for the state of Nigeria over a 57-year timescale in so far as having the least influence on governance.

The key problem with the North though is not greed, Southerners are arguably greedier, but incompetence. This is a theme I keep hammering on. The North has a narrower pool of capable policy makers/administrators-a byproduct of lower educational attainment. A corrupt but competent public official is far better than a less corrupt but inept official.

We can live in denial all we want but Zik and Awolowo were corrupt as the Foster-Sutton tribunal and the Coker commision respectively highlighted, but they were relatively competent.

And Abacha, Gowon,IBB, Buhari who looted the failed country into third world status are Ojukwu and Zik?
Are you really serious? What about Dan suki, Burantai and the Rest?
Some of you are incredibly funny.
The only one living in denial here is you and your co travellers.

Nowenuse:
The problem with you igbos is nothing but greed.
Nobody begged you to come and invest in their lands.
Your extremely greedy and capitalistc nature has made your land so competitive and hostile, chasing away settlers, strangers, visitors and even you yourselves.

You are not a wise person.
Since when has investing outside one's region translate to greed? Are you mentally retarded or what?

Igboland is doing well in the private sector aspect. Our region is competitive but yet productive and no settler, stranger or visitor had been chased out of the region because of hostility.
The share volume of bank monetary transactions that take place in the region, paints a picture of a very vibrant private/public sector.
The region only lacks FG presence which was a deliberate Post civil war policy of the FG, which they had stuck with even unto this day.
But everything eventually die including this current state of things Ndiigbo are facing in Nigeria, it's a matter of when, not if.

Nowenuse:
Well, until then, can u guys allow us some fresh air?
Until we see that, nobody will ever take you guys serious.

Why don't u guys have your own political party that will butress your own interests nationally and make all your leaders have one voice?

What exactly is your point?