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EazyMoh:
@Igboid and his comrades, does this mean you now agree with the wide gap the North gave the South in every census exercise as suggested by this one?
From the top ten tribes you posted it's evident the North as Hausa+Fulani = 5,629,205 = 37%
Igbo = 21.2% nd Yoruba = 21.1%
Coupled with polygamy early marriage and high birthrate, I hope next time you wont claim that the North's population is inflated.

We never can tell. Things are highly politicized now in Nigeria.
A true fiscal federalism will usher in an era of true population census in modern Nigeria.

Until then....

Okeycima:
Cc igboid am still waiting for what you promised

I have sent them.

steppin:
Due to the power of media, they overhype everything that is their own.
Before Keshi won the African nations Cup, their media said it was an Igbo team. After we won, they never said anything about it again.
They did the same during Amunike's time in Under 17, but shut them up by winning the tournament.
The same thing is happening now with a foreign coach. Whether they like it or not, Igbos and the South South produce the best football players/athletes in this country.

The era they controlled the print media and reeled out endless tons of lies and fabrications as they seem fit is gone.

This is the ICT age, none of their past or present fabrications will be allowed to stand. They will be so mercilessly be torn to shreds by truth, until they learn to stop propagating falsehoods.

Yoruba players in the 1980 squad

1. Best Ogedegbe

2.Muda Lawal

3.Tunde Bamidele

4.Segun Odegbami

5.Felix Owolabi

6.Shefiu Mohammed*

* not sure if he is Yoruba.



Yoruba players in the 1994 squad.
1.Isaac Semitoje
2. Mutiu Adepoju
3.Fuludu Edema
4.Rashidi Yekini

Yoruba players in the 2013 squad
1. Godfrey Oboabona
2. Fegor Ogude
3. Oshaniwa

nyabinghi:
you are a complete retard, why didn't you list the yoruba guys that won the first nations cup for us in 1980, the first world cup goal for nigeria was scored by a yoruba guy. The greatest scorer in the history of nigerian soccer was a yoruba guy, the greatest winger odegbami is a yoruba guy, muda lawal's still shades the igbo idiots that played for nigeria. Yisa sofoluwe have u forgottenn your head is supposed to be used to appease ogun.

Lol! Yorubas and their delusions. Greatest this, greatest that. Yet none of them won any notable individual accolades. How can you be greatest without accolades?

Odegbami is an amateur player. He was greatest nothing.

The 1980 squad had at most 5 Yoruba players, as opposed to 9 Igbo players, so how exactly did Yoruba guys win the cup for Nigeria?

Muda Lawal is a typical Yoruba JB, he has got nothing on Amuneke, who at his peak played with Ronaldo Lima in Barcelona, yet Ndiigbo don't even count Amuneke as amongst our greats, that is to tell you how mediocre Yoruba players are.

Who is Yisa sofulowe? A nobody. I'm sure even Sam Okwaraji shits on him.

The most pathetic thing about Yorubas, is how you lots celebrate mediocrity by assigning them superlatives to deceive only but yourselves. Best this, greatest that, most sophisticated...., bla, bla. How pathetic.

nyabinghi:
the same kanu that couldn't score for nigeria in any grade A tournament or the clueless showboating okocha that was an european failure and couldn't win a trophy for eagles when the onus was on him, the best achievements of super eagles have comw from the yorubas tell you stupid father to remind you ,you this child of hate.

You are silly, name any Super eagle winning team that wasn't dominated by Igbo speaking people? Who knows your inconsequential Yorubas?


Which Yoruba players for Nigeria could ever tie the shoe strings of Okocha, Kanu, Mikel? Easily the most influential players Nigeria has ever produced.

1980 winning squad had 9/22 Igbo speaking people.

1.David Adiele
2. Okey Isima
3.Christian Chukwu
4. Aloysius Atuegbu
5. Emmanuel Okala
6.Sylvanus Okpala
7. Ifeanyi Onyedika
8.Henry Nwosu
9 Franck Onwuachi


1994 squad had 10/22 of Igbo speaking people

1. Alloysius Agu
2.Benedict Iroha
3. Stephen Keshi
4.Uche Okechukwu
5. Nduka Ugbade
6.Uche Okafor
7.Jay-Jay Okocha
8. Sunday Oliseh
9 .Emmanuel Amuneke
10. Efan Ekoku



2013 winning squad 10 Igbo speaking people.

1. Elderson Echiéjilé
2.Nwankwo Obiorah
3.Azubuike Egwuekwe
4. Emmanuel Emenike
5.John Obi Mikel
6.Ikechukwu Uche
7. Ejike Uzoenyi
8. Sunday Mba
9.Kenneth Omeruo
10. Chigozie Agbim

nyabinghi:
like yekini, like rufai, like muda lawal, like segun odegbami, like thunder balogun, do igbo people hve sense at all.

No, like Kanu and Okocha. Real genuine stars out of Nigeria. Now where is your Yoruba brain?

Afonjas:
YOU'RE WRONG, IN CENTRAL IGBO, spoon is called Ngaji

Duncan Mighty also called it Ngaji on his song

Not only that. He spoke like the entire SE is a monolithic group that have same word for spoon. Such ignorance.

https://archive.org/stream/lowernigeritstri00leonrich/lowernigeritstri00leonrich_djvu.txt

As early as 1906, the colonials had a perfect understanding of all ethnic groups in the Lower Niger.

They were so perfect that they were able to stick out Ogbaiya as a distinct tribe from Ijaw, and Andoni as a distinct tribe that has serious Ibibio( kwa) admixture even though both groups are today affiliated politically to Ijaw, even when we know that they are distinct people who speak a totally non intelligible language with Ijaws. The British were that meticulous.

It's a bit funny for someone to say that the British with such a clear sense of distinction between ethnic groups in southern provinces as early as 1906, Will turn around in 1931 when their knowledge and understanding of southern province ethnic groups had already tripled, and count non Igbo speaking groups as Igbos.

CHAP. II A CLASSIFICATION OF THE PRINCIPAL TRIBES 19

and rude ; while to the west are the Bini, belonging to what
was once the ancient and powerful kingdom of Ubini or Bini,
i.e. Benin.

Proceeding up the main river, we find at first a mixture of
Ijo, Igabo, and Ibo, as far as Abo, i.e. about 135 miles from
the sea, and from this point pure Ibo up to Asaba ; then a
mixture on the east bank of Ibo and Bini as far as Illushi,
or at least from where the Kukuruku country commences, and
on the west bank up to the boundary of the Igara or Igala,
who at one time owned a large and extensive kingdom, which
has recently, however, very much dwindled both in size and
importance.

But as this work principally concerns only the Ibo and
other tribes already mentioned, further detail regarding any of
the more northern tribes, such as the Kukuruku, will be quite
unnecessary.



See the boundaries of Igbo admixtures with non Igbos. As far back as 1906, the British already knew of the Igbo influence in Ilushi( someone opened a thread about perceived Igbo flavour in Ilushi language and names)

[b] i8 THE LOWER NIGER AND ITS TRIBES part i
taining some 15,000 inhabitants, is on the right bank of the river, two miles from the bar ; and the people, who are keen traders, trade in all the Ibo and Ibibio markets, some 60 miles up the Opobo and Kwa Ibo rivers.
From Opobo to Bonny, along the coast, are the Andoni, a small tribe of fishermen said to be connected with the Kwa ; and between them and the Ibo to the north, another small tribe called Ogoni are wedged in.
Bonny, corrupted from Ibani, is a town on an island at the mouth of its own river ; but its glory and trade have long since departed, although, with the exception of the Cross river, it forms, after Forcados, quite the best and safest harbour in the Protectorate.
Twenty-five miles up the Bonny river is a small tract of country inhabited by the Okrika, one half of whom are fishermen and the other half traders.
To the north-west of them is the habitat of the New Calabar people, a pushing and a progressive tribe, who have their principal town at Abonama, 30 miles from the mouth of the Sombrero river ; north-west of the New Calabar district, up the Engenni or Oratshi river, are the Abua and Ekpafia.
Westward of Bonny live the Brassmen, fine traders, whose chief town, Nembe, is also situated at a distance of 30 miles from the sea.
North of Nembe, and between it and the Engenni, also towards the Niger, a small tribe called the Ogbayan are settled.
The Oru occupy the tract of country on each side of the Nun branch of the Niger, and along the coastline between it and the Eamos river.
Then, in the triangle formed by the Nun and Gana-Gana, also outside it, to a small extent, both eastw^ard and w^estward, dwell the Ijo, the most important tribe in the lower Delta, and indeed, after the Ibo, in the whole of Southern Nigeria.
On the Warri and Benin rivers we find the Jekri middle- men, who are not only the most intelligent and tractable, but quite the best mannered of all the tribes.
To the north of the Jekri are the Sobo, and to the east- ward are the Igabo — sliy and timid, no doubt, but treacherous [/b]

[b] CHAPTEE II
A CLASSIFICATION OF THE PEINCIPAL TKIBES
It will be absolutely impossible for nie, so numerous are the tribes and clans in Southern Mgeria, to do more than describe the largest and most important.
Going from east to west, and beginning with the Old Calabar district, we have the Efik, an offshoot of the Ibibio, who occupy the country from the mouth of the Cross river 60 miles up to Itu, with Duke Town their capital and the headquarters of the Southern Nigerian Administration, a large and prosperous town of over 20,000 inhabitants.
To the east of Old Calabar are the Akwa, generally known as Kwa, living on the Akwa and Akpayafe rivers ; to the north-east are the Ekoi, practically the same as the Akwa ; northward, on the east bank of the Cross river, are the Uwet, Okoyong, and Union tribes ; while on the east bank, above Itu, are various sections of the Ibo race, chief of whom are the Aro, who were until quite recently so celebrated for having in their possession the great and supreme divinity of the universe.
Between the Cross and Opobo rivers, to a distance of 60 miles from the coast, is the Ibibio country; while at the mouth of the Kwa Ibo river are the Ibeno, a miserable mixture of the Ibibio and the Efik ; and along the coast, up to the Opobo river, are a few more Kwa settlements.
At Opobo is a colony of the Bonny or Ibani ^ people, w^ho many years ago left Bonny and settled there. The town, con-
1 The vowel U is more frequently used than not in the use of this word Ibani, but either vowel can be used. [/b]

omonnakoda:
I thought you all perished in the Biafra war?? While the Yoruba were drinking hot cocoa

That was your plan. But you failed. Just as our 20 pounds grew into billions after your failed attempt at economic genocide on us, so did our population grow after your failed attempt at extermination on us.

omonnakoda:
So your main Issue is with Yorubas? I thought you claimed 100 million of you died in Biafra and You only Marry one wife so where do the Igbo numbers come from. I will leave others to name and post pictures of Yorubas and Northerners with over 10 children . You can huff and puff all you like but what is important is not 1931 estimates but 2006 Census which is law

The 1931 April Census. Already placed Ndiigbo ahead of Yorubas. Until Nigeria conducts another Census with ethnic composition, the referral for Ethnic composition of Nigeria remains the 1931 April Census.

This is the meat of this thread.

omonnakoda:
We will not understate this fact!!

There was no nationwide census in 1931. The first nationwide census in Nigeria was in 1952.

That is the reality.
If you take a sample headcount in one part of a country which,by the way you do not control logistically, and then match that to estimates from another part based on headcounts several years earlier and call that a census something is quite wrong. Even in the days of Jesus ,His parents had to travel to be counted. There was no nationwide count in 1931¬¬

And we never had no column for ethnic composition in those 1952 and the rest political manipulations called Census thereafter.

So where is the estimate of Yoruba consisting 21% of Nigerian population and Ndiigbo 18% coming from.

No colonial population estimate ever put the Yorubas ahead of Ndiigbo, you lots are really audacious to think you will wake up overnight and start peddling the lies Yorubas being 21% and Igbo 18% without being challenged.

The 1930s estimate of the population could not have been the basis for factual statement. I have always believed that Nigeria's population is overstated and in fact, having been to different regions of Nigeria, am yet to be convinced that we are more than 140million in 2016 or may be 130million.

Lol! Yoruba brain.

So we should ignore the 1921 and 1931 estimates and uphold a falsehood where Yorubas are touted as constituting 21% of Nigeria population and Ndiigbo a meagre 18% ?

Jokers.

The British estimates of 1921 and 1931 were made for colonial administration efficiency. Common sense tells me that its the closest to real figures than anyother politicized figures out there, made after the British were on their way out, and needed to politicize things to stay in control.

There was no reason whatsoever for those 1921 and 1931 estimates to be inflated or manipulated.

Like I said earlier: admittedly, I've seen a lot of colonial reports that put Igbos as the most populous group in Southern Nigeria back then. However, you have to always put it in context cos a lot of distinct minorities groups were added to the Igbo population. And Yorubas in the North based on the North and South dichotomy weren't added to the Yoruba population. That was basically what I was trying to show you. No beef.

By 1931, the British already knew all the Igbo speaking and non Igbo speaking towns/clans in southern Nigeria.

They were so meticulous that even Ukwuani communities where the Ukwuanis co existed with the Igabohs( Isokos) were noted and well documented.

It's mischievous to say that the British counted non Igbo speaking groups as Igbos. There are simply no basis for that.
No distinct minority group was added to Ndiigbo.

The 1931 Census noted that Yorubas were spread between Northern and Southern provinces with the bulk in the Southern province. It makes no sense for the Census not to include the Northern Yorubas to the total tally for Yorubas.

There are tons of articles all over cyberspace with Igbo folks claiming that Egba, Ijebu (because of Ijebu Igbo), and Ugbo (Ilaje/Mahin) people are Igbos. And since Ugbo people were the original inhabitants of Ife - they also claimed that all those Ife heads are Igbo artworks. And there's another claim that Igbo slaves started the Haitian revolution with Igbo gods. When the woman who consulted the gods before the revolution was a Yoruba slave and I believe it was Ogun. The leaders: Francois Mackandal, Toussaint L'Ouverture, and Jean-Jacques Dessalines - were of Maroon (most likely Akan or Malian), Fon, and Kongo descent respectively. Heck, I met a Ghanaian man recently who actually thought Lagos is part of Igbo land (true story). That's how your people get down.

Well, actions and reactions are brothers. Those posts are usually in reaction to those from Yorubas.

Okeycima:
Pls I Want to request for indept assistance in the part-way that i choose to follow as my hobby and as well as to awake my consciousness to the realities as well as my history of my nation which is IGBO. So the request is for you to tell me some vintage and seasoned books dealing in igbo history,traditions,life and development. Prior to this message,I have Elizabeth isichie's history of igbo people.thanks for your assistance......that's what the email says

Most of the modern ones are tainted with lies to fit into modern realities for independent Igbo towns, clans and groups, often for political gains.

Please, I will send some of the good ones I know to you, by tommorow.

Okeycima:
boss me I sent you an email

Sorry bro. I don't have access to the email of this my moniker. I can't remember the password I used to open it.

Shym3xx:
Where is the drivel in my post? I only showed you how flawed the links you presented are since a lot of distinct minorities were grouped with Igbos. Ditto the North, since there is no way in hell there were that many Fulanis in Naij at that point in history.

The two things I can deduce from this thread are: Yorubas have always been cheated when it comes to population (Nigeria has always been anti-Yoruba) and Ijaws aren't anywhere close to 4th most populous ethnic group in Nigeria.

To be honest with you. The aim of this thread is not to show that Ndiigbo are more populous that Yorubas in Nigeria.

But to shake off the subtle belief that Yorubas are more populous than Ndiigbo, as there are no historical antecedent to that notion.

Point is that until Nigeria adds ethnicity to its census figures, the unofficial politicised assumption that Yorubas constitute 21% of Nigerian population, while Ndiigbo constitute a meagre 18% and the Ijaws a whooping 10% of Nigerian population must be exposed for what it is, which is nothing but political propaganda with no iota of truth or historical antecedent.

It must be assumed that Yorubas are of equal number with Ndiigbo, and that Ijaws are not more in number than Ibibios, Tivs, Kanuris, Nupes, and Edos, until a census with a provision for ethnic composition is conducted.

blues20:
[b]Igboid Kudos to you. Great job. [/b]Nigeria will never see progress, because of her faulty foundation on lies. Only the truth will heal Nigeria, but unfortunately, she is too arrogant to succumb to her healing balm.

Ndewo, nwanne mmadu.

AgentOrange:
Thank you very much Igboid.

I have always wondered why we are so many in Igboland yet we have such huge numbers outside Igboland in places like Lagos, Kano and other states.

Dalu.

omonnakoda:
Your education does not involve thinking at all.

What sort of questions does an intelligent person ask when confronted with such absurd data? Clearly you are out of your depth functioning with and undergraduate mind with all the emphasis on UNDER. Your antics with this report are quite evocative of simian glee on first encounter with a mirror

Me right now:

omonnakoda:
There is a reason why we respond to these things. Not because we are jobless.
There is unfortunately , a pervasive tendency among some black people to believe anything written in any book. So today they are quoting some rubbish from 1931 and in 2101 some other clowns will be quoting this thread so it is important that we put it on record everytime they start their nonsense.These clowns are not sleeping Let me give you an example they have gone to wikipedia to create countless fictions about Ikwerres and their identity ,about Port Harcourt and even their own history now dressing up some rubbish about an Imaginary Nri Kingdom that never existed except in the imaginations of some drunkards bloated with akpu and palm wine
So we must ensure there are contemporaneous internet archives that expose their shenanigans.They are a shameless people

There was no Oyo empire. A Bini scholar had put that part of your falsehood to sword. Read it all here:


http://ihuanedo.ning.com/m/group/discussion?id=2971192%3ATopic%3A124153

Average height for groups. Too bad there is no data on Ndiigbo for this. Ijaws seem to be the shortest on the average, amongst the sampled groups.

See the breakdown for foreigners. Wow! Too many Syrians. Who knows how much these people added to our genetic pool.

omonnakoda:
There was no census in 1931 na
You think this is your village ilo where u win arguments by shouting.
The first nationwide census in Nigeria was in 1952 .
What happened before were headcounts in diferrent places in different years for different reasons and they were very unpopular in the north because they were used for tax .They were not a census. These headcounts may and I am guessing here, have been used for estimates but the fact remains

there was no 1931 census in Nigeria. It did not happen
Ever heard of a census that is not interested in the number of men and women or children but the number of Ibos? You are desperate but empty

Haha!

See the break down of the census to number of males and females, both for Adult and non adults( Children and adolescents).

It just occurred to me that the Nupe number in the population figures is way too high.

We all know that a large proportion of those that parade themselves as Yorubas today, were actually Of Nupe ancestry.

Is it possible that as at the time these population figures were collated, those Nupe people that now identify as Yorubas in the Northern province, actually identified as Nupe. Swelling the Nupe figures in the process?
Can you imagine that Nupe outnumbered the Ijaws in that population result.
The same Ijaws that are claiming 4th largest ethnic group today.

omonnakoda:
Stop the silly verbiage and answer the very direct questions I asked you
Did the British conduct a Nationwide census in Nigeria before 1950 Yes or No
The Figures that you continue referring to are they based on a Census Yes or No?

If yes then tell us the year of the Census and stop beating about the bush

Go and sit down.

The colonial document called it 1931 census figures.

You are only bleating around cos it exposes your lies.

Another important factor to consider is that, perhaps, the Ilorin people identified as Fulanis and not as Yorubas. We know that most of them are Fulanis that took up Yoruba as lingua franca and go by Yoruba names.
Even in this age and time, the Sarakis still identify as Fulanis.

This might also explain the high figures for the Fulanis.