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The Ibos, or 'Eboes' of American tales, are even more divided; still they
feel and act upon the principle 'Union is strength.'[b]This large and savage
tribe, whose headquarters are at Abo, about the head of the Nigerian
delta, [/b]musters strong at Sá Leone; here they are the Swiss of the
community; the Kruboys, and further south the Kabenda-men being the
'Paddies.' It is popularly said that while the Aku will do anything for
money, the Ibo will do anything for revenge. Both races are astute in the
extreme and intelligent enough to work harm. Unhappily, their talents
rarely take the other direction. In former days they had faction-fights:
the second eastern district witnessed the last serious disturbance in
1834. Now they do battle under the shadow of the law. 'Aku constables will
not, unless in extreme cases, take up their delinquent countrymen, nor
will an Ebo constable apprehend an Ebo thief; and so on through all the
different tribes,' says the lady 'Resident of Sierra Leone.' If the
majority of the jury be Akus, they will unhesitatingly find the worst of
Aku criminals innocent, and the most innocent of whites, Ibos, or Timnis
guilty. The Government has done its best to weld all those races into one,
and has failed. Many, however, are becoming Moslems, as at Lagos, and this
change may have a happier effect by introducing the civilisation of
El-Islam.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18506/18506-8.txt

IgbuduMonkey:
The Itsekiris bear Yoruba names and if you are not told would assume them to be Yoruba. Infact, it was recently I discovered that Bola Tinubu's wife, Sen. Oluremi Tinubu is Itsekiri. Most people do not know that the singer, Omawunmi is Itsekiri and many struggled to understand how popular Big Brother Naija contestant, Omatshola isn't Yoruba. Despite the language similarity, no Itsekiri man will tell you that he is Yoruba. And it's true, they are not Yorubas.
Like the people of Aboh, the Itsekiri people are of diverse origin, the earliest settlers from Ijebu while later settlers came from Igala, Bini, Aboh(yes, same Aboh. Note that there are also Itsekiri settlers in Aboh). The Bini party led by a Bini prince would later establish a monarchy. You notice the similarity in the founding of Aboh already?
The Itsekiri area is a port region hence witnessed a lot of immigration at those times when they were not yet a kingdom. Such places later organize themselves under a ruler(kingdom) with diverse people. It is impossible at that time to identify themselves as being people of the initial settlers(in the case of Itsekiri, the Yorubas, and in the case of Aboh, the Igbos) because of the diversity of the people, in which case the later immigrants would be more than the original settlers and the culture an admix.
Like I said, I know why it's difficult to understand
PS: Asaba is thriving because of the prowess of a certain Maryam, wife of the dictator, IBB that made it capital of Delta State. Aboh declined because of the colonial interference in the trade system of the lower Niger. As I have said before in other threads, the Igbos are perhaps the biggest beneficiaries of colonialism in Africa

Itsekiri has always been a separate entity from Yoruba.
Never in history were Itsekiri called Eastern Yoruba!
So you comparison between Aboh and Itsekiri is like comparing apples and oranges.
Infact, Aboh was perhaps the first place called Igbo by the colonial masters.
The colonials assumed Aboh to be the capital of Igboland and Eze Obi Ossai the then king of Aboh as the overall king Eboes.
Eze Obi Ossai claimed his people were Ibos and that Igboland extended further East of the Niger.
So your comparison of the issue between Igbo and Aboh with that of Itsekiri is false.
The right comparison would be that between "Okpe" and Urhobo!

There are no Bini led Party that established anything in Aboh. Those things are mere fables concocted by ancestors for whatever political expediency they were facing at that point in time.
None of Aboh founders had a Bini name. Essumai, Ogwaezi,Etim,Osu-mili, etc all are Igbo names, not one Aboh village bears Bini or any non Igbo name.

How exactly did Igboland benefit most from colonialisation?
You are ridiculous. We lost our population and had the British mess up our clans.

Aboh declined because they were hostile to the colonials, so the missionaries moved the capital to Asaba.
Yes Asaba is thriving from Delta State capital made possible by Maryam. But on the private sector, Asaba is benefitting hugely from the local Onitsha business community. Who are investing massively in Asaba, and this wouldn't have happened if Asagba of Asaba isn't totally Igbophilic and a champion of Pan Igbo Unity, unlike those on Aboh still Rolling in Bini origin fable tales.

UGBE634:
That's a lie, some Binis might have met Edos on ground but those Edos were certainly not Esan, as Esans are part of a product of the mixture. I am one of those Edos they met on ground, not every Bini or Edo migrated. I am from Ugo, the same with other Bini indigenous communities,eg urhonigbe, Udo and others. These communities are Indigenous and their inhabitants thereof. And they are Bini speaking.

Go to Esan blog on Facebook and tell them they originated from Bini and see what their reply would be.

Like I said earlier, I only started getting interested in Edo history because of the meddling of Edo people into Western Igbo history, otherwise I have no interest in you lots issues.

RedboneSmith:
I've never bought into this 'homecoming'/'back-migration' theory. It seems just like an attempt to get around the 'Benin origin' theory.

Eze Chima was not an Aro or an Nri priest who lived in Benin and then 'back-migrated'. That's an invention of contemporary times.

The back-migrated twist is lazy way out that blinds people from recognizing the fact that Igbos in Western and Eastern Niger arrived at both locations almost the same time.

Ancient Igbos came through a Northern direction and settled at Western Igbo and Eastern Igbo at same time.
South East is not the homeland of Igbos anymore than Anioma is.
It's stupidity to think a river as small as River Niger didn't stop Nupes from crossing and existing on both sides of it, Benue didn't do same to Tivs, but Niger stopped a big masquerade like the great Igbo.
It's madness!
The Ezechima doesn't need to originated from SE before he becomes Igbo!
The Ancient Igbos already occupied their homeland called Ikaland long before the Bini rose in power.
Ezechima likely came from one of those aboriginal Igbo(Ika) communities, when you read Chief E.A Iduwe manuscript, you get a clearer picture.

UGBE634:
Any thing that would make Bini mixed already came to Benin before the 15th century. It was these mixed Binis that later went on to become Esan. We call them Edo ni san fia( meaning Edos that fled into the Bush) Edos that could not withstand the harsh laws made by Oba Ewuare after the death of his two sons. Esans themselves are a product of the mixture you talked about

The dialectical similarities show that Bini and Esan were actually one group before their migration to their present abode from Benin in the 15th century.

The Esan dialect is a feed off of The Bini language, the difference between the two is more on intonation and pronunciation than actual words. Infact when you get a hold of a Bini and an Esan dictionary, the similarities of word in the word bank is up to 75 to 80 percent in most of their clans. It is certainly more but I can defend 75 to 80 percent.

The little difference in dialect today is as a result of being away from the mother stock for about 600 years. Hence the saying in Benin, Edo na ma ze se ore Esan. Edo not spoken well is Esan. A further proof to this is the igueben dialects which is the last to migrate is considered Bini by Esans themselves

The Esans don't recognize history of origin from Bini.
They don't suffer same Stockholm syndrome as some Western Igbos.
The Esans claim that you Bini people met them on their land.
I don't know which is which.
I'm not Edoid and don't have interest in wading into Edoid issues.
I'm only concerned with Igbo ones.

IgbuduMonkey:
The Igbo speaking area west of the Niger is not more populated than the Bini area sir. Besides, migration can occur from less populated to more populated areas due to other causes one of which is political turmoil.
One thing you Igbos fail to understand is that there was no Igbo ethnic identity in the olden times as it is today and people tended to migrate to areas where other languages are spoken. They assimilate the language and culture of the people in those areas.
Those areas along the banks of the Niger are inhomogeneous but it seems obvious that the original settlers were Igbo speakers. The migration from the interior areas West of the Niger and from other areas into the Western banks changed the ethnic configuration of those places.
Using Aboh as an example, they met the Akarai aboriginals, lived with them for a while and eventually displaced most of them. Also, Aboh today is a very mixed community with people of Essumeis lineage, Isoko, Igala, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Ndoni, South Eastern origin etc. It is therefore impossible to view them as Igbos, neither are they Binis. If the Abohs accept an Igbo identity, they lose their history and defile their heritage
I understand why it is difficult for you to understand these things though

The Binis are a mixture of Igbo, Ijaw, Yoruba, Portuguese and Esans.
The Ijaws are a mixture of Edo, Igbo, Ibibio and Izon.
The Isoko are a blend of Igbo, Ijaw and Urhobo

So Binis are no longer Bini because they had admixtures in them, and the Ijaws are no longer Ijaw Ijaws and Isoko are no longer Isokos.
Or does this mixture thing only work for Igbo speaking groups outside SE?
Is there any group in this world that didn't accomodated and assimilate non indigenous migrants?

Aboh Igbo denial has not helped them.
Instead it has made them backwards, while ASABA has taken their place in terms of leading place in Western Igbo land where Igbos from SE happily invest in.
Whatever non Igbo admixture in Aboh is not even up to 1% of their population, which is why their culture, language, names and traditional religion are Igbo rooted.

However, each to his own.

UGBE634:
we cannot vouch for the western side, there were issues that warranted migration out of Benin, close to 30% of what is Ika today are Benin migrants, up to 20% or more of What is known as Ukwuani are Bini Migrants, Aniocha and Oshimili are not spared, they received even though in smaller numbers. As historians, we know these issues, they included high-handedness of the Oba, and others which enabled migration that has rendered your postulation of high populated areas to low populated areas useless

And even today, we cannot so vouch for the population of western Igbos in Delta as being more numerous than the Binis, you have to quote actual proof, not just comment from arse

The only Bini migrants in Anioma are Ozanogogo, and they are still Edoid language speakers and only speak Ika(Igbo) as second language..
So all these your 70%, 20% etc are mere wishful thinking.
If at all there were Bini migrants in Anioma, they were extremely negligible and insignificant in number and were roundly assimilated and acculturated by the indigenous Igbo population on ground that welcomed them.
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Also important to note that the only true Igala migrants in Anioma, the Ebus are still Igala speaking until today and only speak Igbo(Enu-ani) as second language.
The Yoruba migrants in Anioma located in Ugbodu are still Yoruboid language speakers.

So let's separate facts and reality, from imaginations, fictions, myths, fables and wishful thinking.

IgbuduMonkey:
I think you are mistaking exploiting a river to mean the same thing as crossing a river. What I wrote in my earlier post is that the precolonial Igbos were not long distant traders as they are today as they couldn't have done long distant trade without exploiting/exploring the Niger which the Igbos didn't do, fact! Can you tell me one great Igbo trader of precolonial times? This doesn't mean that the Igbos didn't cross the Niger. As a matter of fact, that the Igbos lived on both sides of the Niger is a fact but historical evidence categorically prove that the Igbos didn't explore the River for commerce. The Akarais that were displaced by the Aboh migrants were most likely of Igbo stock.

There are irrefutable evidences that the people of Aboh came from Benin area and settled in an Igbo territory where they eventually conquered the aborigines and took over political leadership. This migration was a wave that must have occurred during the height of the reign of the Bini empire. As it is impossible to know the exact extent of the empire at that time, it may not be possible to know from where exactly these Benin migrants came from. But suffice to say that almost the entire region of what is today's Delta state including the Itsekiri, Urhobo and Isoko areas were part of the Benin empire.

There are no such "irrefutable" evidence of anyone migrating from Bini to Aboh.
What we have are unsubstantiated oral histories.
The Igbo area on both sides of the River Niger was always more populated than Edo areas even up to today.
Population movement is usually from area of high population to area of lesser population.
The chances of a Bini speaking people migrating to a highly populated Western Igbo lands is very minimal.
Look at the name of Aboh founder, Essumai, his son was Ogwaezi, and all villages in Aboh bear Igbo names for ancestors and all prefixed with the usual "Umu" naming pattern of the Igbos.
Aboh founder migrating from Bini is not same as being of Bini ethnicity.
Aboh founder was probably an Ika man who lived close to Ika-Bini border.

IgbuduMonkey:
Nice compilation but a lot of holes to pick from this write up.
First, I have read this account of Igbos migrating to Benin and back to Igboland due to persecution in Benin. I find no historical backing to the claim and fancy it to be an attempt to conjure up a narrative to suit apreconceived position

The fact of Igbos being great long distant traders only began during colonialism. The Igbos did not really exploit the Niger which was the principal trade route in precolonial times. The major long distance traders at that time were the Igalas, the Ijaws and the Abohs. That is why there are people of Igala ancestry scattered in Southern communities close to the Niger to this day. One mistake we make is assume that the Igbos have been the way they are now from earlier times. The Igbos were mostly restricted to their homeland and were not long distance traders

The only people that will give a correct narrative of the origin of the Western Igbo speakers are the people themselves since there is no written historical document from those times. Oral history of the people say they have Benin origin and that is very believable. What is possible is that these Benin migrants conquered the people they met in these places and became the ruling class there(read on the case of the Abohs and Akarais). The culture, especially language of these people became Igboid over time because of the strong influence around them

You are contradicting yourself. Lol!

Firstly you claimed Igbos didn't exploit the Niger and couldn't have known about the history of Western Igbos.
Then you claimed Igbos started affecting Western Igbos and made them Igbo speaking.
How exactly could Igbos have exerted this influence without exploiting the Niger?

Secondly you claim the Bini cock and bull stories are plausible, then you supported your ridiculous claims by claiming that Bini met some people on the ground when they arrived, but you dubiously kept mute on the identity and language of the people Binis could have met on ground upon arrival, because doing so kills you earlier blunder of Igbos not crossing over the Niger in Ancient days.�

Anyways, since you claimed that only Anioma Indigenes can accurately tell their stories.
Well maybe you need to listen to Agbor documented Oral story by Chief E.A Iduwe that unequivocally stated that Ika has nothing whatsoever to do in common with Bini, and specifically said that Ikas are Igbos.
Maybe you should listen to oral history of Ogwashi-uku that states that the founders came from Nri, also Akwukwu Igbo, Ute-Okpu, parts of Owa, all of which claim Nri migration.
So what does this say about your ridiculous claims of Igbos not having a say around the Niger in antiquity?
Lol! You Bini expansionists are ridiculous.

merteeny:
But truly, OBIageri is a combobulated Governor. He is so primitive, egocentric and selfish dat he visited my school and could only offer N50,000 for the SUG gouernors to share. We no go even vote am. Make h'm go rest.

Obi no dey give shishi tey try.
No be today.

Imagine Useless SUG people looking for governor to give them millions from public coffers.
You can imagine the audacity.

Logicisfree2:
This should open everybody's eyes to the fact that what we are dealing with is south-easterners trying to grab lands outside their domain.

What domain?
Anioma people are owners of their land and no one is dragging them.
They are part of the Igbo and have even in the past produced a two tenure president of Ohaneze Ndiigbo in the person of Ralph Uwaechue from Ogwashi-uku.
Even now, Anioma is fully re-presented in Ohaneze Ndiigbo.

Stay in your Bini land and stop fantasizing about resurrecting a dead empire.

The Asagba of Asaba Prof emeritus Chike Edozien is a grand patron of Ohaneze Ndiigbo.
Asaba is the political capital of Anioma and a full fledge Igbo city.

Logicisfree2:
Please @igboid do not address me anymore, I have already identified talking you as a waste of time, you are insufficiently intelligent and you resist logic, I do not see what talking to you can actually produce, I might as well talk to a tree or a cow.
1) there is no such thing as west Africa language etymology because their written forms are too recent. And their literature is even more recent.
2) "Igbo antiquity", ok so you are at the phase of just creating new expressions now ?
3) when your arguments are always unproven statements then it might be time for you to question your learning methods and also your intellect and seriously ask yourself if you are not a fool.

Now leave me alone and do your homework.

I can't leave you when you are greedily encroaching into Igbo territory.
Anioma is part and parcel of Igbo conglomerate.
They are big stake holders in Igbo union.
You don't think you can start writing all sort of things about that territory without Eastern Igbos getting involved?

Think again.

Like I said before, keep your Bini eyes off Igbo speaking lands, focus on your Edoid cousins in Edo, Delta, Rivers (Degema, Engenni) and Bayelsa (Epie-Etissa) states.

Logicisfree2:
I have a precolonial book in which an european visitor to our shores was on his way to Jebu. The European refers to some Benin nobles with the title Obi, which he describes as basically a Duke title.
I let dogmatic and clueless ignoramuses to continue their show of intellectual lazyness.

Any obi in Bini is of Igbo influence.
The etymology of the word Obi is deep rooted in Igbo antiquity. It has no meaning or place in Bini and indeed Edoid world.

Logicisfree2:
Last words to you:
1) as I have said already, the concept of ethnicity is alien to African culture, the British brought it to us in order to devide us with very subjectif criteria. Keeping us devided was the best way to keep us under the British thumb.
2) you keep talking about a period of time which even your grandfather's didn't witness, yet you talk as if you were there...you are a lost cause, you were born dumb and you will leave this world even dumber.

3)https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Nope.
You were never one with Western Igbos.
The union between you and Western Igbos into Bini empire was made possible by Portuguese firearms you acquired, while British firearms brought to an end of that ungodly union.
That's your bitterness.
Move on.
You can't be one with a people you can't converse with except with the use of English language that the same British you begrudge brought to you.
You should be looking towards Urhobo, Isoko, Epie-Etissa, Degema, etc.
They are your real brothers, the Edoid language you all speak proves that.
Move on.

Logicisfree2:
You are now showing signs of reading disabilities:
1) I said OBi and OBa were very similarly looking words, and you came here disagree by saying OBi is not similar to Enogie...The logic in your talk is very discreet.
2) you are a great example of what I call intellectual lazyness, but also of dogmatism. You just go on ranting and telling unfounded stories and you don't even understand that you are reciting fairytales...

Obi and Oba are not similar in anyway.

The "O" in Obi sounds like O in Orange while that of Oba sounds like O in Oracle.
The both words are by no means similar in pronunciation.
They only look similar in English alphabetical representation.
If you write both words using Chinese, Greek or other different writing system/alphabet, you will see how dissimilar they are.

Meanwhile, Igbos have a word that sounds same as "Oba" only that it means "Barn" or more generic "Storage".
So we say "Oba-ji" meaning yam Barn, "Oba-akwukwo" (A place for book storage) meaning Library.
When someone is rich, he can be said to be an Eze-Oba. Meaning someone who has many yam barns. In old Igbo society, yam is the way to guage a man's riches.

This meaning of Oba is same in all Igboland from Igbanke in Edo state to Isobo in Cross River.
Ethnicity is natural, but nationality is man made.
You can't force ethnicity. Stop trying to claim Igbo speaking people outside SE, it can only work when Ignorance is at all time high.
The more those people become educated and enlightened, the more they will see through your lies and manipulations.

Logicisfree2:
Talk is cheap, I present evidence:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin%20royaume?rk=107296;4

Your map says nothing about the ethnic composition of the area within the map.
In the old Bini empire,Benin was a nationality ( region) consisting of many ethnic groups including Igboids, Ijaw, Yoruboid and then Edoids) while Bini was an ethnic group consisting of just current Bini ethnic group.
At no point in the existence of Benin empire did groups who were not ethnic Bini spoke Bini as mother tongue.
Know this and know peace.

Logicisfree2:
Here we go again, you clearly are not smart enough to understand what you are replying to:
1) empire is an other name for kingdom
2) "ethnicity" is a European creation alien to African culture
3) Benin empire is clearly referred to as Benin kingdom in precolonial maps.
4) I wonder if you actually know that the words "kingdom" and "empire" are not African words.

There is nothing alien about the fact that an Igbanke man in Edo state, speaks same Language with a far away man in Ezza Ebonyi State and could fairly communicate with each other on first meeting.
Whereas an Igbanke man would need an interpreter to understand the Bini man he shares same LGA with.

Ethnicity is not man made,it's natural and bind together by common language and culture.
Nationality is man made.

Bini empire was never same as Bini kingdom.
Bini started off as a Kingdom which is current Bini LGA in Edo state minus Igbanke, and slowly grew into an empire with the acquisition of Portuguese firearms to incorporate neighboring Igbo,Edoid,Yoruboid and even Ijaw groups around them.

When the British came and put an end to Bini empire, Bini shrunk back to a kingdom and the hitherto non Bini(Edoid) tribes they Incorporated became free.

Logicisfree2:
Also the title Obi is just as Edo as the title Enogie.
The ressemblance alone with the title Oba should have rescued you guys from your intellectual lazyness enough to open your eyes.

Nope.
You are the lazy one.
Obi has no resemblance whatsoever to Enogie.
Obi is an Igbo word which is borne by Igbos as name, title for an Eze and for other purposes.

Obi- The court of a man where he entertains visitors.
In Igboland,every man has an Obi in his house usually built away from living quarters which serve as a place he entertains the guess.
It became elevated to the title for Eze in Western Igbo, because the Kings Obi served as a place of gathering for the town to take decisions.

Obi- Also means kindred, clan, inhabitations. In Abia and Imo, it's called "Obu",in Anioma and Anambra and Enugu it's Obi and simply means clan, inhabitation, kindred.
So you hear places in Igboland named with Obi like "Obinagu"( the clan that lived in the deep forest), Obi-Ume ( Ume's clan. Obviously a man called Ume was the founder of this clan), Obi-ama( the clan that lived close to the village centre ( ama), Obiofia( clan that lived in the bush)
etc.

Obi- heart


Etc.

Obi has nothing to do with Edo.
Edoid word for King is Ogie/Ovie/Ojie.
Even Oba you bear now is a borrowed title from Yorubas.
Yoruboid word for King is Oba.

Usenokpevbo:
The Asabans claim relationship with Benin, which they call Idu,and the king, Obba,for whom they still retain great veneration, though they pay him no tribute. Tradition says they migrated from under that sovereignty through causes of war generations ago. The Benin word of salutation "Do" and other words and phrases, are retained, with habits very different from the Ibo, with whom they have now become almagamated

The Igbos migrated to Asaba from that passage, and overwhelm the host (Asabans)the original owners of the land.

This is a comprehension passage and it is meant for us to deduce safely what this man is trying to say.

First He noted there were a people called Asabans, the original owners of the land of course, (2)these people were not Ibo, certainly Edoid, I am supporting this with point 1)He infered they have habits very different from the Ibo(at the time he could still differentiate the original owners of the land from the Igbo with their habits, that is why there was emphasis on very different from the Ibo,even they have now almagamated with them(2,the Benin word of salutation "Do" and other words and phrases, are retained. Omigie, cire80 and Agbontean were not mad after all

There is no such thing as Igbo migration to Asaba.
Igbos indigenously inhabited the two sides of River Niger from Agbor to Cross River and regularly criss crossed the area.
Before Nnebisi had a reverse migration from Nteje in Anambra to Asaba, there an indigenous thriving Igbo community led by a man called "Eze-Anyanwu".
Many indigenous Igbo groups in Western Igbo also migrated from their homelands there to cross River Niger and establish new homes in Eastern Igbo. Example are the Ubulus, the Akris/Akarai, Akalaka who left Western Igbo land to found communities in Ogbaru Anambra, Ogba and Ekpeye in Rivers State.

Igbo is deep rooted in antiquity and much older than Bini who are nothing but a new hybrid group made up Nupe, Igbo, Yoruba and indigenous Edoid people like the Ozas and Esans.

Logicisfree2:
I am always amazed by the intellectual lazyness of Nigerians and Africans in general.
1) the notion of ethnicity didn't exist before colonization, so @redbonesmith asking for the ethnicity of people who lived before colonization is only exhibiting intellectual lazyness.
2) the British devided people with several subjectif criteria, language ressemblance being one of them, all this was done in the sole interests of the British and their plundering of our lands.
3) Benin kingdom is the same thing as what you guys also call Benin empire, but for some reasons you have come to believe that kingdom is synonymous to village or city or "monolingual community". I guess you guys do not know about a kingdom named Russia or England or France or Ottoman, those were not monolingual nor cities nor villages. Benin kingdom had several villages and cities within it, Benin city is only it's capital city.
4) The British documented the fact Benin kingdom was not monolingual, they talked about areas of Benin which didn't speak Benin language (the language of the Oba), the British also talk about how they pushed foreign workers into those areas and encouraged both locals and foreigners to claim ownership of lands belonging to the Oba (all lands in Benin empire belong to the Oba).
5)The British really hated Benin and tried as much as they could to destroy Benin, even today they still hate Benin.

Nope.
Benin empire was not same as Bini kingdom.
An empire is never monoethnic.
It's normally heterogeneous in ethnic and even sometimes in racial composition.
The Malian empire, the Songhai empire, the Kanem-Bornu empire, etc.
None of these were monoethnic,same is applicable to Bini.

samuk:
Who are we that you are referring to, Biafra? Since when did losers of war become magnanimous? The dream of Biafra was on a life support when you lost the civil war and was finally killed when the south South was created.

I understand your quest for land because just Edo and Delta (two state out of six south south states) on bigger in landmass than the entire five Eastern states. I repeat Edo and Delta are bigger than the entire south east in landmass.

Win or lose Obi can't resurrect Biafra, the northern political and military structure of over 50 years can't be dismantled in 4 years of Obi even if he wins and it's a big if even though I agree that he probably win more votes in Benin city than his Anambra due to the ditribalised nature of Benin.

Biafra cannot be achieved by military means either, that was tried before and failed spectacularly and that was without south south as an entity/region. South East of 1967 that fought the civil war was far bigger than the south east of today. A good proportion of the Nigeria army of 1967 were pro Biafrans, it is not the same today. You can only romance the idea of Biafra in your head, that dream is long gone, dead and buried.

Forget the no victor no vanquish statement by general Gowon, there was a Victor and a vanquish, Biafra lost far more people, territories and mineral resources that never be regained. Your military and political structure pre civil war was also lost.

Guy/s wake up and smell the coffee, Biafra is long gone. Even if Nigeria decides to restructure, no south south state will agree to be part of south east. I don't see people like wike, okowa, etc surrounding their sovereignty to south east. Wike already see most south east governors as his boys and they follow him around like their master.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ANmx2mhOU

We here are Ndiigbo,both those in Igbanke, Delta, Rivers, Akwaibom (Ndoki-Ohaobu), Cross River ( Isobo), Kogi, Benue.
When Nigeria is ripe, it will be restructured and people will naturally aggregate towards their kins and kiths, that's human nature.
And should NIGERIA disintegrate, they will also chose to come with the rest of Igbo in SE,look at what is happening in Ukraine, that's the future price anyone thinking of using political artificial lines to separate brothers will always pay.

Your bitterness and hate is like a water on the Igbo, it can only wash us and make us more sparkling.
Anyone looking at who is greater and stronger than him with evil eyes, is only admiring him.

Let go of your bitterness and pain. Look towards your Edoid brothers who I have pointed out to you, try and unite with them and quit thinking you are ever going to stand any chance against the reunion of Igbo speaking people, you will be disgraced.

Edos(Bini) should understand and accept that their small empire era is gone and never coming back forever.
Anioma is Igbo and has never been Edo. This should be common sense.
Anioma will only aggravate towards SE as time goes on.
Brothers will always settle differences and reunite.
Bini should make peace with their few LGAs in Edo stateand their people there and maybe try to reach out to their Edoid brothers like Esan, Etsako, Urhobo, Isoko, Epie-Etissa (Bayelsa), Engenni (Rivers State), Degema ( Rivers State), etc.

Maybe in time we could out of magnanimity give them back Ozanogogo (those are the only Edo people in Anioma) in exchange for Igbanke in Edo state.

Udo.

Theknowledge:
There is nothing like a deadbeat DAD! I was told this for the longest time but growing up as an adult my orientation changed.

No man goes into marriage with the intention of being a deadbeat dad, but life can present it's challenges and some women makes this time unbearable for their husbands making some mean lose their zeal and self esteem to strive for more.

A woman's needs are insatiable and it's continuous- Na relationship open my eyes! Only some men can take the bullshit from most women and still remain sane.

Our society is feeling this pressure as it takes both parents to raise a child- that's why the moral decadence that we see- as women are quick to label their husband (for better and for worse oo) deadbeat.

Omo marriage na work and support system if you know you can't offer this kindly stay single o

Nonsense talk.
A man who cheats on the wife is a useless husband and man.
There is no excuse whatsoever to cheat on your wife.

iamoyindamola:
How's saka dealing with wingers again then what's the job of white
Have you forgotten Tierney have been starting our last 3 matches bar man utd and martinelli still excel
Also just to remind you odegaard complement saka the way xhaka do to martinelli and odegaard is also playing well

Any other excuse for saka?

SAKA has produced two assists and one goal.

Tierney when he starts on the left still plays the Zinchenko role. He pushes up the wing when we are in full flow attack and tucks into the left Midfield to help build our attack when we are passing out from the back.
So I don't understand how Tierney starting ahead of Zinchenko on the left of our attack negates my points.

When Martinelli has the ball on the left, Tierney or Zinchenko and Xhaka makes a dash down opponents corner or into their Midfield, dragging either the winger or full back with them, allowing Martinelli with more time and space to work with.
But for SAKA, our team set up does not allow White to make such runs, because we defend with three CBs which whites forms part of, should our attack break down and opponents try to attack us.
Saka therefore has to deal with opponents winger who is tracking back to help in defense as well as their full back on that wing, without the distraction of a flying full back to help him out by giving him more options/decoys.

I have taken time to explain this thing more, I don't know how else to break it down for you.

Jodera:
I'm not even criticizing yet, just pointing out what they need to improve on. Moreover, most of our attack have been mostly on the LHS than the right coupled with the fact that he(Saka) is still blending to understand Jesus' movement. I don't think there's any course for alarm concerning Saka cos he isn't even selfish, his last two games have been very commendable and his has just gotten his goal which will give him more confidence.

Looking at that heatmap I posted sef, you'll see where most of our attack is concentrated and why Saka is even somehow limited.

The fact that White as an RB doesn't make much overlapping runs limites SAKA's attacking ouput.
White is defensive in nature. The left side of our game has thrived because Zinchenko pushes up while White sits back to form a three man defense with Saliba and Maghaels.
Martinelli and Xhaka have been benefitting from having that extra body on the left side, whereas Saka has had to deal with wingers and full backs of opponents alone.

Truthdeypain:
Which Ado shey na Ola oluwa muslim grammar school, Christ school, Mary hills, New model, Seed of grace, Christostom, Ansar U deen etc even with your alarming regimented malpractices, majority of your native students are touts and yahoo apprentices. Na only noise wey dem sabi make for that una language. Awon agbero eleribu na to dey shout awa la ni professor ju upandan, most will hardly be able to translate that into proper grammar sef, tok more back it up in class. All they do is threaten, intimidate and harass brilliant students from other regions wey dey smash with their animosities and wicked envy. Typical Agberos! Ekiti and their mythical achievements of professorships and education.

The only card they ever bring to the table, even when you dey you own jeje dey jack, dey smash for class dem no go free you, I guess the can't just fathom why Omo ina should be leading all their Omoluabi asses year after year. No be dem fault sha, las las exam, olympiad etc we sabi demography wey dey smash pass, after we go represent the fools we go still come back with trophies and medals even sometimes beating our own kinsmens, for what only to come back hostels to loud and shameless chatters of Omo ina, Omo Igbo, tribalistic discourses and targeted intimidations and gaslighting. Wicked souls!

Their hygiene, development and cognitive abilities is also a sharp decline from these their education myths. I always wondered how people who claim to be so woke will be able to all but chew shit in their mouths, very disgusting!


Anyways theres nothing surprising here, everybody knows the only surprising thing is that all eastern states should be there. Empty barrel lo ma kpariwo, we no dey make noise, but the results are evident. To ally igbo folks everywhere keep making us proud.

Expect more envy and jealousy. Don't expect any compliments from your counterparts, I am sure their hatred has been rekindled afresh, they are already cooking up rebuttals with their brainwashed mythical statistics to debunk these obvious facts. I expect their teachers to fish out brilliant Igbos in class to debunk and distort their results to make them look bad and less performing, all these and more we personally experienced in sec school but we scaled thorough unscathed. Typical Igbos. Their hate and loathe will always be our fuel and motivation, we will continue to defy the odds and obstacles.

Their olodo level is so high that even with expos, they copy things verbatim and are incapable of paraphrasing or adding their own inputs, leading to low scores for all involved.

Shascky33:
My elder sister served in Ivo lg area of ebonyi state in 2017. The kids in her class she says reminds her of nothern village kids, to read and write they hard them. Na farm dey their head. Miracle center dey everywhere.

I served in Ondo.
The kids were olodo and were heavily reliant on Miracle centres.
My cousin that served in Ogbomosho said same thing.

Nickymichy:
Exams in Nigeria can't be rated especially WAEC....i have been marking WAEC for some years now..i can categorically tell you that WAEC in Nigeria be it from any state is a trash.. imagine someone who can't even write his name well and also with bad handwriting answering all the questions in WAEC...i have seen a lot...pls Don't let all this trash deceive you..the worst hit is South East...i am not trying to bash any region here...but this last WAEC...kai!...i began to ask myself that ,is it that the teachers in that school are that daft or do they think the person that will mark the paper is a slowpoke that won't suspect any foul play...the worst of it all is that, if you raise any alarm regards to all this nonsense.....the kind panel wey you go face and the kind form wey dem say make you fill go even make you regret your action.. education is good but whatever you see in WAEC in Nigeria,is not a reflection of our students performance...may God help us all

Stop writing nonsense.
You are not the only one who has marked WAEC questions, I have too.
When you notice mass cheating, ie everyone copying same answer verbatim, you are mandated to report it, and usually the results are either seized or the students involved are given low grades.
I have also taught in SW secondary schools, they do mass exam malpractice those places as well. Teachers copy expos for students.
The difference is that in places where students are "sharper", they are brilliant enough to paraphrase teacher expos and add their own input to it, so that in the end,each student end up with unique answer and the risk of suspicion for malpractice and it's resultant low grading is avoided.

SW are no saints, cheating in WAEC is universal all over NIGERIA, in the end, brilliant students are still those who can manipulate their expos well enough to escape "verbatim" traps, hence are still the most brilliant ones if you remove the expos.

Bravetunde:
There is two ahoada.
Ahoada east is igboid that claim they migrated from Benin.
Ahoada west were burnaboy is from is ijaw.
Burnaboy is ijaw but he is not doing anything for ijaws even fighting his ijaw brothers.like 2kay.
God bless ijaws and help us let yorubass and northerners stop stealing our oil so ijaws can develop.
Most ijaw villages still live in shanties even though we are the richest tribe in Nigeria.
God bless the marginalized ss/se.
Peter obi for president

Engenni share Ahoada West with Ekpeye (Igboid)
Engenni is not Ijaw.
Their language is Edoid and they claim to originate from Bini.
Burna boy is from Engenni.
He is not an Ijaw man .
Although for Political interests, some Engenni people might claim Ijaw, but Engenni was and is never Ijaw.

Patrioticbreed9:
Are you sure?

I thought she was ekpeye though.

Wike wife is from Ekpeye.

Patrioticbreed9:
Represented in what way?

Hope is not deputy sha

Mind you apc has an ikwere back up and that nwoke maruma ka nwanu! The TIGER him self ROTIMI AMAEHI, now tell me bro isnt that enough?

Amaechi wife ekpeye from ahoada another igboid group!.

Do i need to mention am also an igboid from Emuoha and i will be voting Apc in Rs.

Till Pdp remove Ngozi from their deputy slot, have no business with them.

Amaechi wife is from Anambra.

Goodday90:
I can’t with some of you on this forum
Amaechi don’t have any Yoruba blood whatsoever,not even the faintest drop,he only picked the name after the Yoruba writer Ola rotimi,his real name is Chibuike Amaechi
And Okowa is not a bini name,the name is oko(Man) and Owa(his hometown),so in essence it’s man from owa and it is Igbo as Igbo can be,just like we have Okoye,okafor etc
I understand and respect them if they decide not be Igbo but don’t twist the language upside down
Thank you for listening

And Okowa's father name is Okorie, meaning man born on Orie market day.