Kagawa10: Only children of hate from the yeast hate you! They had better warn themselves and take their inborn hate to their yeast because we won't tolerate nonsense on our soil! Y'all Yeast people don't have the monopoly of hate, let me just tell y'all.
Anyway, the person contesting against you, what's the pedigree of that person? I mean one riffraff can't just be brought in like that, so we have to know first!
On another note, did anyone know that Chinedu Rhodes is yet to take his professional architecture exam or pass it? So who are the riffraff championing the retarded Ipob terrorist?
Tribalism will finish you. Desmond Eliot mum is an Igbo woman from Illah Oshimili Delta State, hope you know? Igbos don't support nonsense. Eliot is a failure as far as leadership is concerned. He was a successful actor, but he is a bad leader.
Efewestern: Does a woman gets anything from her husband's inheritance or her kids? In polygamous/monogamous home, inheritance are shared to the kids. If a man with four estates married 3 wives for example.
1st wife gave birth to 6 boys 2nd wife gave birth to 2 girls 3rd wife has no child.
The third wife with no kid is automatically out of any inheritance. The first son takes the man's flat. The estate will then be shared equally. The first wife/gate with 6 boys takes 2 estate, the second wife/gate with two girls take two estate. Some families might share three estates equally to the two gate/wives and share the remaining estate to the man's brothers and sisters. The man's ancestral inheritance is also shared with similar formula.
So a woman really has no inheritance in her husband's home. Inheritance are shared to the kids. So a child regardless of gender takes from his/her mother's and father's inheritance.
Whether this is fair on the males is subjective. First sons also enjoy some benefits.
Well a married woman gets lands from his husband to farm on in Igboland.
So I guess that's where the Igbo balances the equation.
Efewestern: Maybe you still don't get me when I say women enjoy as much liberty as men in this part. A woman is part of the family. Doesn't matter if she is single, married, alive or even dead. She has equal stake as male and so she is typically carried along in almost everything/process.
Women's right in Igbo land is conditional. Ours isn't. Our forebears have always treated female and male with great sense of regards and equity. The benefits males have over females here is just irrelevant. Although there are things reserved for males (first sons).
You can't deny a woman her ancestral inheritance on the basis that is she married. You also can't exclude her offspring from what's due to them too. I can still lay claim to some huge benefits from my maternal grandparent's family and I won't be denied.
I know of Umuada and from my little experience,I know they are mostly relevant during traditional marriage rites and some other activities. They can't stand when real decision are being made by the males in that family.
This huge difference between our various culture has an effect on the females Psych. The way Urhobo women behave in marriage is different from the way Igbo women will behave.
Soon Urhobo land, a married woman gets a share from his husband inheritance and also from his father's inheritance?
Efewestern: @ bolded. What happens when her father's side is more favourable than her husband's side? Shouldn't a woman be able to benefit from both side regardless of her marital status? There are benefits that comes with ancestral inheritance regardless of how equipped one is.
While this culture has its own good side, we can't really overlook the negative impact it has on the female child.
One thing I've come to realise is that most tribes in Nigeria differ greatly with the way they treat Men and Women. Us from across the Niger, You can't deny a Woman and her offspring her ancestral inheritance regardless of her marital status. Whatever you give the male, you must give the female. This too has its own advantages and disadvantages but I love the sense of self-worth and belongingness it brings to the female child.
I doubt women in your side have more power on their father's house than women in Igboland have in their father's house.
In Igboland, married women form an organization called Umuada or Umuokpu in their father's land, whose powers in decision making in their father's house is supreme.
Igbo culture doesn't allow a married woman to inherit her father's property, because she is expected to help her husband to create wealth and be a co-owner of that wealth. The idea is that by being tasked to create wealth in her husband house rather than being invested in her father's property, she is by default likely to make a better wife!
When a man marries a woman, she gives him a portion of his own land to inherit. This land belongs to the woman only as long as she is married to the man. When she dies, she is expected by tradition to bequeath this land to her last son, and this inheritance will not be counted for the last son when they start sharing their father's land. This is not universal in Igboland, but is present in most parts.
Efewestern: Do people care about lineage or who inherits what's left on ground?
The reason most Igbo people want a male kid is so their offspring takes over from them but that is not so with other Southern tribes. If I give birth to 10 females and 0 male, I won't even be perturbed because I know they will inherit everything I labour for.
An Igbo woman inheritance is with her husband. She can inherit her father property only if she didn't marry.
No ethnic group in Nigeria spend more on personal development of their daughters than the Igbo. SE has the highest enrollment of females in JAMB exams. The idea is not far fetched. She is going to her husband house to share the inheritance of her husband with the children she will bear for him, so she must be equipped to be able to fend for herself in a new kindred.
emorse: If it was left to me and all my efforts before and during the elections, Tinubu won't even make top five. But as e don be as e be so, wishing him failure is akin to wishing myself four years of pain. And you know what they say about hope na. It's the last thing to leave a man. So that's what I'm holding on to right now.
Exclusive101: The problem with your likes n many other igbos is that what you preach in your land is not what you demand at the federal.
No matter how you look at it this election is a win igbos do not deserve. You have seen you got support, true support not bought by money from Lagos Nassarawa Plateau Benue Edo etc
Now instead of lamenting n complaining the effort you use in writing this should be dedicated to enlighten other igbos that if you are just a little more friendly with good character more Nigerians might buy into your project.
Must Peter Obi contest foe the first time n win election ? He had no structure before with all Labour winnings now, those areas have 4 years to keep propagating the good n clean record of Peter Obi to gain more followers so he stands beta chance at a next contest. This is me a Tinubu supporters who even believe Obi clean records is a ruse.
You igbos shouldn't start castigating anyone discourage Kanu Ekpa from going that root. Obi should be the one leading you, even if he doesn't want to take up such responsibility impose it on him n force him to take it. Form alliance with decent people of character across ethnic lines. This election shows Nigerians don't hate you like you claim but you also need to work hard to convince more Nigeria to love you.
Obi should also tone down religion, do more biz with Yoruba Hausa Fulani even if it won't earn him profit. As a politician they are sacrifice he needs to make against the next election cycle.
You are typing rubbish as usual. How are Igbos not friendly to other tribes?
In 2003, Ekwueme took OBJ to every part of SE to campaign for votes and we all voted him in Bloc. I'm glad OBJ realized this and tried to pay back by supporting Obi.
In 2007, Igbo politicians all campaigned for Yaradua even when Buhari had Ume-Ezeoke as his VP, we shunned him. We voted for Yaradua in Bloc. Was Yaradua not a Muslim and a Fulani man in 2007?
In 2011 and 2015, we supported GEJ. He was Igbo?
We gave Atiku Bloc votes in 2019.
So all these are not bridge building with other Nigerians. I hate people like you who keep flipping narratives so that you can continue making Igbos look like villains.
Anyway like the OP said. All man will buy goods at same price in the market and exchange Naira at same rate.
emorse: You see that bolded part gan gan, thats one of my problems with us as a people. We don't see leadership as what it truly is ...a call to duty. Rather, we see it as a means to gratification and enjoyment. If the benefits of reaping what has been sown means having the chance to "do my life anyhow you like" for four years then you should expect me to resist.
That said, I want to wish the president elect the best of luck and a successful tenure in good health. And I hope for the sake of all of us Nigerians, that he performs well.
Anyone who is happy only because the president elect is from a particular tribe or religion and those who are angry and disappointed only because he's not, are, I'm sorry to say, as foolish as they come. Bola Tinubu is not going to be the president of the Yorubas or Muslims but of Nigeria as a country. Wishing him failure is akin to wishing the worst for yourself in the next four years.
The past years of poor leadership can never be recovered. Let's not add the next four years to that list.
Tinubu cannot give what he does not have . You don't need a seer to Know that it is going to be a wasted 4 years. We said it with Buhari in 2015 and we were called wailing wailers, but when the suffering came, all man received wotoporously.
Deep inside you, if you are sincere, you know it's going to be a failure. Antecedents speak strong. No one share dollars to win an election if the interest is altruistic and not transactional selfish one.
orion7: I’m not threatening anyone here. Look around you and the tribes around you and live happy. I don’t know y you want to have a date within a state. Do you want to be like Eritrea ? Or you think homogeneity is key to seeing utopia ?
We all want a functional Nigeria. But in a case that is proving elusive, what do you suggest? Continue being in this limbo?
Like I said I have nothing against igbos. Bit secession is where we draw the lion. Because it’s an act of cowardice. Who is more Nigerian than you ? Y should others make you want to leave ? Y hasn’t my own tribe given up ? Y don’t you push others out instead ? In the words of the great chinnese philosopher. “Instead of the world to disappoint me, I’ll disappoint the world”. I support igbos with all my heart. But I will jot hear secession. My tribe share that ideology with me I know this. If you feel you can fight everyone , we’ll have a go at it then
Is it cowardice to want to be alone? Eagles fly alone, cowards seek for company. I would think that those insisting on Unity with unwilling partners are the real cowards.
Strong people are never afraid to let people go or to stand alone.
Like I said, you can't crush anyone without getting crushed yourself. You can't threaten the Igbo. Grow up.
RealLordZeus: It is widely accepted that INEC really disappointed Nigerians with the IREV portal glitches. But now that is back online, I expect every warring parties to calm down and allow the electoral process to continue. The results are being uploaded to IREV, if it doesn't tally with what your party agent have, then bring tangible evidence .
It's like not using VAR during a football match, and telling aggrieved parties who lost due to dubious offside that VAR should have stopped, that VAR is now ready, after match have been concluded and 3 points awarded to opponents. Does it make sense to you?
orion7: don’t think of it. I rooted for obi and we and my family won our pooling unit for him. Yourubas and Hausas re. Or the only tribes in Nigeria. Edo people hate yorubas and have no hate for igbos. But if you talk if Biafra I will support the Nigerian got crush it. I could even enlist to fight the igbos. Not out of hate for igbos but to secure the sovereignty of the country.
You are not in position to tell Igbos what to do and what not to do. This is not 1970 and you will not be crushing anyone without getting crushed yourself. Biafra will always remain an option for Ndiigbo and sovereignty remains Igbo sovereign right, we were not created glued to your ethnicity and the rest of Nigeria.
FatherOfJesus: lol, it's not funnier than Abakaliki and Edda in ebonyi state
Lol! I like your confidence. To most poorly travelled Igbos, any Igbo dialect that is not close to what they speak in Onitsha or Aba, is funny to them.
My brother wife from Isuikwuato had her younger brother visit us in Enugu sometime ago. Whenever the boy spoke his Isuikwuato dialect, people will be laughing at him.
The boy says " gaa zalua ala" instead of "jee nodu odu" or "jee tukwulu ani", like they say in Enugu.
Once the CEO kicks his bucket, his politically exposed thieves, simply hit the kill switch, eventually starving the business of funds + secretive business arrangements of the CEO ..........
I was looking for this point. You hit the nail on the head.
AutomaticMotors: You danced around the truth and ended up digging a bigger pit for your Ibo corpse!
From what you typed and posted it is very easy for those with a sharp unpolluted mind to see Ojukwu blew up all those bridges to safeguard the only people relevant to him "The igbos in the 5 dilapidated SE states"
And left those he felt were "Never Really Igbo " or "Not Igbo Enough" at the mercy of blood thirsty Murtalla!!
So Nsukka are never really Igbo too? You are not alright. It makes sense.
Maybe Enugu was also left and retreat made to Umuahia because Enugu people were not Igbo enough. Spoken like a typical mischievous Edo man looking for vassals to gain for your Oba. It wasn't Murtala Mohammed that was doing the massacre of Anioma people alone, your Edo people joined in the frenzy, helping them to point out Igbos (Anioma people) in Bini town.
"After federal forces take over of Benin, troops killed about 500 Igbo civilians after a house-to-house search with the aid of willing locals" (Washington Morning Post, 27 September, 1967)
AutomaticMotors: The same Ojukwu(Igbo) that blew up the Onitsha end of the bridge, leaving the Asaba people at the mercy of blood thirsty Murtalla? Ojukwu did this knowing fully well what was going to happen next (Asaba Genocide)
And this Igbo jihadist has the effontery to speak on wickedness?
The Bridge was blown under the command of an Anioma son, and it wasn't blown to trap Anioma people. It was blown to slow down the advance of Nigerian troops. All over Igboland bridges were blown to slow Nigerian troops march. The bridge at Imo river in Etche was blown too to delay the match from PH to Owerri. Anioma people never needed the bridge to come to SE. Native canoe has always been the means of local transport from Anioma to SE before the bridge was constructed. Biafra troops knew that Nigerian heavy miliary weapons would need the bridge to cross over, hence to destruction of the bridge.
Nsukka was also quickly abandoned and the troops withdrawn to defend Enugu, leaving Nsukka citizens at the mercy of Nigerian soldiers, since it was assumed that killing of unarmed civilians was not part of war.
You will have to find another excuse why you wicked Edo people joined hands with Nigerians to massacre our Igbo people in Bini and in Aniomaland.
AutomaticMotors: I don't have the mental patience to engage in diatribe with the Igbo stock ..... But I will tell you this you and your Igbo jihad are of no consequence and never will! Slam your head all you want the fact still remains thus:
IKA IS NOT IGBO AND WOULD NEVER BE!! IKA IS IKA!! Ika is a gazetted tribe in Nigerian constitution! Igbo land starts and end in the tiny south eastern 5 states! This Anioma ppl have rejected you lots both openly and privately!! Leave them the 4uck alone na by force? Tufia!!
Bla bla bla bla bla.
Ika is superior to Bini and gave rise to Bini. Your ancetors dug trenches around you to protect yourselves from the men of valor from Ika tribe of the Igbo nation. You should be showing respect to your superiors and not claiming them because the Portuguese handed firearms to you.
Meanwhile, you will have to go and talk to Okowa and tell him he doesn't know who he is.
RedboneSmith: It's funny that a character who told me, an Anioma man, that I cannot contribute on an Edoid thread because I was "Igbo" is also here, dragging Anioma and trying to shield us from "Igboness".
Very funny.
These lots went up in arms against Ojukwu because Ojukwu made Dr Okonkwo, an Anioma son from Asaba the governor of the region. They accused him of imposing Igbo rule on them. But today, these mischievous shameless beings go about saying that Anioma is Bini descendants and not Igbo. If that was the case, why were they upset that Ojukwu replaced Ejoor with another Bini man called Dr Okonkwo from Asaba?
Bunch of wicked people. It will never be well with them.
Ndiigbo fought Britain, Egypt, and 200 plus ethnic groups in NIGERIA for 2years plus and gave a good account of ourselves.
Your mushroom overhyped Bini empire was ransacked and your fat Oba captured within 3 days by few British soldiers in a simple expedition, not even a war. So much for an overhyped empire. In contrast Arochukwu fought for 2 months plus in full scale war called Anglo-Aro war.
It took the British decades to subject Western Igbos to colonialism.
And you think you are Igbos mate? You think you can taunt Igbos with Biafra defeat? The joke is on you.
Stay off Igbo lands in SS. We have not forgotten how your Edo people committed massacres in Anioma during the war and killed many of them in Bini city.
Rather than think of how to reconcile with their Esan brothers, try and regain their Edo people carved into Ondo state (Akoko SE), try and bring Edoid brothers like Urhobo, Isoko, Epie-Etissa, Degema, Engenni, into one umbrella. Shameless Edo people are busy eyeing Igbo speaking Delta North and stupidly thinking of ressurecting their dead Bini empire in a modern world where ethnic nationalism is the "in-thing".
These despicable people see Ndiigbo in SE as their biggest obstacle to annexing Igbo speaking territories in Delta into their modern day empire under the rulership of their Oba. What a charade.
UGBE34 If your brothers will not stay off Igbo speaking territories in SS, and you can't bring them to order, be ready for Igbo total attack on Bini and everything you lots hold dear. We will leave no stone unturned in coming after you guys. We are not our parents who were playing cool with you guys, we will not play fair or cool. Hate will be met with hate, propaganda with propaganda, lies with lies, deceit with deceit. And guess what, we have the number to overwhelm you guys on this online propaganda war. Stop trespassing into Igbo issues! Face your Edolands. On appropriate time, we will exchange Ozanogogo with Igbanke. That's the only business we have with Edo.
The SE and SS Igbo speaking tribes issues is a family matter and a political issue( fall out of Biafra war loss). It is one we will resolve in-house.
Any mischievous Edo man nursing the idea of annexing Igbo speaking territories in SS as vassals by exploiting the current political rift in Igboland will be up for some disgrace and rude awakening. Brothers will always resolve and reunite. "Izu ka mma na nneji", an Ika will understand this too.
Stay off Igbo issues, face your Edo and let Ndiigbo handle our issues in-house. You have been warned.
Here is what Agbor Patriotic Union had to say about your mischievous Edo history revisionist named Egharevba who tried to claim that Ika and Agbor originated from Bini. They (Ndi Agbor) wrote to the colonial government in 1939 to debunk your mischievous lies and assert superiority over Bini:
"Benin originated from Agbor. Ika had never been subjected to Benin or other trbes. Benins were weaker and fewer before 1897, Benin influence went no further than Ugo. Ikas harrassed Benins wth successful wars which led them to dig the trench around them".
~Agbor Patriotic Union 1939
This is what Chief E A Iduwe an Agbor chief had to say about Bini:
"Agbor speaks Ika dialect, akin to other Igbo tongues but with the special vehicle of Ika culture and image. It is DISTINCT AND DISSIMILAR FROM EDO LANGUAGE and vice versa, even though they said that Agbor was once under Oba's rule. This was so when the Bini were the first to acquire firearms from the Portuguese, and with which they TERRORIZED the neighbouring states. But this state of affairs lasted only for a short time. Agbors liberated themselves before the 18th century. "Oru asuw Igbo, Igbo asuw Ika" : From this saying, Agbor appear to be the cradle of the Ika dialect and the and the Citadel of IGBO heroes" .
samuk: You have to be careful, being a realist doesn't mean one should negate the facts. Ika will be Igbo if they say so themselves. I recently listened to Atiku Abubakar referring to the entire south as being populated by Igbo and yoruba people. Are you Igbo or yoruba? To the average Northerners, a Southeasterner is either Igbo or yoruba. To the average Southeasterner, all Northerners are Hausa, it's this over simplification that gave birth to the WaZoBia fallacy were everything Nigeria is seen from the tripod of Hausa, yoruba and Igbo.
As advanced has the United Kingdom, they never accept one ethnicity. The Scottish, Welsh and Irish guard their cultural heritage jealously, they even maintain separate national sporting teams and Parliaments. This is the way Nigeria should go. Majority of Ika and Ikwerre don't see themselves as Igbo.
Mischievous Edo man. Where did you conduct the census to determine that the majority of Ika and Ikwerre people don't consider themselves Igbos?
You rushed and posted Wike Video, how about Amaechi video? How about Okowa video? Finally you are neither Igbo nor Ika, so why are you taking headache for our in-house issue if not because you are suffering from witchcraft?
How dare you compare SE issue with Ika with those of Welsh? Are you for real? Wales speak an entirely different language from England and it's well known that England colonized Wales and Scotland and imposed their language. When exactly did SE did that with Ika.
See, if mischievous Edo people like yourself don't remove your evil eyes from Igbo speaking lands in SS, the likes of UGBE34 will have to bear the brunt of Igbo fight back and meddling into your small minority Edo state to make sure we scatter you mischievous lots there more. Better be warned.
Captainero: Wike started as local govt chairman, moved to chief of staff to his governor, then became a federal minister, have served 2 times as governor, and came second in a presidential primaries, now he is fighting for southern inclusion in federtal politics..what have abaribe achieved?
Which southern inclusion? Some of you are naive. Wike is fighting his personal battle. He engineered the ouster of Uche Secondus as party chairman because he thought it was impossible for the president and Party chairman to come from same region. He got Secondus removed to clear path for his own selfish presidential ambitions.
Now his ambitions failed and he is after Ayu. Would Ayu b there if Wike didn't help chase Secondus away? If Wike was fighting for Southern NIGERIA, why didn't he endorse zoning the presidency to SE, since his region SS and SW have all produced the presidency? Even Atiku was ready to step down on one condition that the presidency be microzoned to SE, which Wike refused, because he was nursing presidential ambitions himself.
All Nigerians politicians only thinks about themselves, their family and friends, and not about zones or anyone else. Know this and Know peace.
Thanks. You are a very honest and sincere person. My apologies for use of strong languages against you before. Chief E.A Iduwe an Agbor chief agrees with you, likewise all non mischievous Edos and neutrals.
UGBE634: guy your idea about what Bini is is messed up. We don't consider Olodiama and Owa-riuzo as Binis, we consider Usen Bini because of Some Factors, these factors are 1. They speak Bini alongside with their dialect. 2. They did not migrate to Bini today, they migrated alongside with the Oba, and they have a family mode of greeting, which is Lahuihe, to show they migrated from Ife, there are seventy four families in Benin, each or most greet in a certain way. 3. They celebrate the Igue festival. These are what cement a man as a Bini. You must have a family greeting, you speak the tongue, then your community must celebrate Igue festival.
I have discussed that Esan before, I don't intend going back there. Esan, Oza are all dialects of Benin and they migrated from Benin. There is no group that did not receive migrant precolonially, The Oba and his family has been submerged into the large Edo sea they met and today Edo speaking. Benin is not an amalgam of groups, we received immigrants, quite alright, but they are in the super minority and they all submerged in the large Edo indigenous sea they met on ground
So why do your Bini brothers not apply the same principles as the above when they start meddling devilishly into Western Igbo issues telling us they're no longer Igbos despite their Igbo language, because of few insignificant and irrelevant non Igbo migrants into the area that were drowned by the sea of indigenous Igbo speaking population they met?
Why would Bini people not let Ndiigbo in the SE and our brothers in Anioma discuss our in-house issues in peace without trying to meddle? If you were Igbo, wouldn't you find the Edo interference into Igbo speaking territories provocative?
UGBE634: I might just think you are delusional, Oza is one of those Bini group that left Bini to seek protection under Agbor, there is no word that is Edo in Agbor that Ika people can interprete. There is nothing like a shared word, it is a borrowed word 100%. How will Benin absorb Oza people, guy stop speaking on these issues, you sound delusional, Oza is at best a dialect of Bini and the closest for that matter, we can stake a bet maybe we see real life, there is nothing an Oza man will say that I a Bini man will not comprehend, We have a different version of that history, Oza is an offshoot of Bini. They ran away to Agbor for protection because they offended the Oba at the time. Oza Aibiokunla consider themselves full Binis I don't know about nogogo. If they do or do not, they are! Chris Idahosa, a music maestro in Benin, Fabomo, Richard Ugiagbe, Stanley Iyonawan, Naomi Ehigie, and others are from Oza, and they are music maestros in Benin in the Bini native tongue. Infact they make up the largest chunk of Edo music.
Well, Binis have had the audacity to tell Western Igbo history and even Eastern Igbo one through their Edo tinted glasses, so much that Ndiigbo have been forced to start telling Edo and Bini stories through our own glasses. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
Bini to me is a mixture of different groups. Bini is a hybrid relatively new ethnic group made up of indigenous Edoid tribes which includes the Oza, Esan, etc. Some migrant Igbo clans, Ijaw, and the rulling class which is of Yoruba origin, there is also some sprinkle of Portuguese there as well. That's Bini for you. It not a single ethnic group. It's an amalgam, heck they are still speaking Yoruba in Usen, Igbo(Ika) in places outside Igbanke like Owariuzo etc, and Ijaw in Olodiama, and all these places are still considered part of Bini ethnicity.
Here is what Agbor historian Chief E.A Iduwe had to say about Agbor and Bini relationship with Ozara people. You are up in arms at my suggestion that Oza are independent from Bini according to Ika history,your argument is that it can't be since Bini and Oza speak mutually intelligible language, but you have no problem when your mischievous brothers run amok telling us how Aboh and parts of Anioma despite being Igbo speaking are not Igbo. Talk about dishing out what you guys can't take.
I think the only deluded persons here are you Bini/Edos who think you can keep meddling mischievously into Western Igbo history without Ndiigbo fighting back by meddling into yours.
IgbuduMonkey: My narration of Aboh displacement of the Akarais is not for the hype but for the purpose of making it undeniably clear that the Abohs came from elsewhere to their present location.
Esumei Uku is said to have had 2 sons, Ogwezi and Ugbo. Ogwezi and three of his sons, Ojugbeli, Ozegbe and Ossai, constitute the ruling houses of Aboh. Ugbo, Ozegbe and Ossai are clearly Edoid. Another fact you habe to have in mind is the naming pattern in those days. Many people were known by nicknames then which stuck. Infact, Aboh has a unique culture of greeting people with a greeting name which is unique to each individual. Thos name eventually becomes more popular than the persons given name. It is possible that some of these Igbo names were given by the people living there who were clearly Igbo speakers.
Note also that Oputa Uku, the founder of Ozoro is said to be the brother of Esumei Uku. Going by your argument, are the Ozoro people Igbos?
Ugbo Ozegbe and Ossai are not Edo names.
Ugbo means farm or boat in Igbo depending on pronunciation. Essumai two sons are Ugbo( farm) and Ogwaezi ( home founded on the road). Both are Igbo names. The children of Ogwaezi who constitute the rulling house of Aboh are "Ojugbeli, Ossai, and Ozegbe. Only Ozegbe sound Bini there, and who knows, Ozegbe might actually be a shared word between Agbor ( where I suspect to be hometown of Essumai) and Bini. E.A Iduwe stated that the few words Agbor share with Bini were as a result of both Bini and Ika absorbing the ancient Oza people. So it might be simplistic to assume that Ozegbe is a Bini name, when Ika bear it as well. Aboh got it from Ika.
I should be posing the Opute of Ozoro question to you. Igbos have never played the ancestry game. It's common sense that Oputa settled in Isoko dominated land and hence he and his Descendants naturally lost their Igbo language as it should. They are now Isokos just like Igbide people who left Igboland to assimilate as Isokos today as well. Igbos respect Isokos and don't go about talking about Isoko being a hybrid of Igbo and should not be called Isoko.
Apart from Opute, there was also Etim and Osu-mili who accompanied Essumai on the journey from where I believe to be Agborvand and not Bini. They all ventured into Isoko dominated territories and lost their language.
AjaanaOka: These days I prefer to be an onlooker on NL, but everytime I see people make this particular or similar comments, I can't help but want to say something. It's frustrating that despite the strides that have been taken since the '70s in the area of Igbo studies, despite what scholars now know about their involvement in long-range commerce (See for example, David Northrup's classic "Trade without Rulers", Nairalanders continue to repeat the nonsense that Igbos did not move out of their homeland before colonialism.
The vast majority of Igbos were subsistence farmers, and as such were not very mobile. But everyone who knows the first thing about precolonial Igbo history knows that clans and towns which specialized in long-distance travelling for the purpose of trade, medical practice or craftsmanship were developed among the Igbo.
The Awka, the Nkwerre, the Abiriba, the Aku of the Nsukka area, the Aro, et cetera, all ventured beyond the borders of what we recognize today as Igboland, plying their trade and practising their craft.
I was going to address that aspect of his post. But you did a good job. Ottah in Igbanke Edo state also was founded by a group of Igbos from Attah Ikeduru in Imo state. You have Awka blacksmiths doing their trade deep in Okitipupa Ondo in pre Nigeria amalgamation. But a certain Joe comes up and opens his mouth waaa! And start saying whatever feels good to him and start projecting it on Igbos as fact.
IgbuduMonkey: First of all, I believe you know that the people of Aboh acknowledge that they are not the original settlers of the town known as Aboh today. The people displaced by the Abohs, the Akarais are also known. It is therefore a historical fact that the ruling aristocracy of Aboh came from somewhere else. Our contention now is where? The people that remember accurately that they came from elsewhere and also have a correct memory of those they displaced, should also know from where they came.
The Itsekiri story mirrors that of Aboh in that they were both port towns, mixed communities, decentralized communities that later adopted a central rule.
Making any town capital of a state will sure boost the private sector there. Asaba has not even lived up to it's full potential as a state capital of one of the richest state in Nigeria
Aboh is not the only Igbo speaking town where one Igbo clan fought and displaced another. Why are you hyping on it? Both the Akarai and the Aboh are all Igbo clans. Aboh has always been Igbo speakers, we know this from their name "Aboh-ji" meaning Yam basket, and the name of their founders, all were Igbo words, not one single Bini word. Abiriba people also met Igbo speaking groups in their current location who they fought and displaced. The land Aro ndi izuogu in Imo state is founded on belongs to a different Igbo group who the Aros fought and displaced. Fights between Igbo clans for territories were norm in the past, what Happened in Aboh between Aboh people and Akarai people was simply a norm and not an exception. It's not same thing with your Itsekiri or whatever. There is no historical fact about claiming that a man named Essumai, whose son was named Ogwaezi, who gave his first son the name Ogwaezi, was anything else other than an Igbo speaking man and couldn't have come from any non Igbo speaking land! This is common sense. That history of Essumai being of Bini origin is a historical distortion because it fails the test of logic. My bet is that Essumai was an Agbor man who fail out of power in Agbor and didn't want his new kingdom to be an appendage to Agbor, hence he spinned the Bini origin story. It is akin to what Ikwerres who wanted to regain control of PH from their Igbo cousins did post 1970. They wanted to be free from Enugu control, hence why Elechi Amadi came up with the Bini origin story for Ikwerre. They were simply following a template Aboh had laid down.
History is science and subject to logic. A man with Igbo sounding name, who gave his child an Igbo name and named his new town in Igbo, obviously spoke no other language but Igbo. Unless they spoke and bore Igbo names and language in ancient Bini, Aboh founder didn't come from Bini. It's common sense.
Igboid: The Ibos, or 'Eboes' of American tales, are even more divided; still they feel and act upon the principle 'Union is strength.'[b]This large and savage tribe, whose headquarters are at Abo, about the head of the Nigerian delta, [/b]musters strong at Sá Leone; here they are the Swiss of the community; the Kruboys, and further south the Kabenda-men being the 'Paddies.' It is popularly said that while the Aku will do anything for money, the Ibo will do anything for revenge. Both races are astute in the extreme and intelligent enough to work harm. Unhappily, their talents rarely take the other direction. In former days they had faction-fights: the second eastern district witnessed the last serious disturbance in 1834. Now they do battle under the shadow of the law. 'Aku constables will not, unless in extreme cases, take up their delinquent countrymen, nor will an Ebo constable apprehend an Ebo thief; and so on through all the different tribes,' says the lady 'Resident of Sierra Leone.' If the majority of the jury be Akus, they will unhesitatingly find the worst of Aku criminals innocent, and the most innocent of whites, Ibos, or Timnis guilty. The Government has done its best to weld all those races into one, and has failed. Many, however, are becoming Moslems, as at Lagos, and this change may have a happier effect by introducing the civilisation of El-Islam.
This is a colonial document on Igbo slaves in Sierra Leone battles with Yoruba (Aku) slaves.
Notice this part:This large and savage tribe, whose headquarters are at Abo, about the head of the Nigerian delta,
The Igbo slaves considered Aboh the capital of Igboland as of then.