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@buzugee....I dey o my bro...how ur side nahope ur doing good??
Where u dey sef?

@nya......I thought it was arch-angel MICheal Yahweh designated to do d job of chasing satan out from d heavens down to d earth.....when did micheal turn to GOD??

Just asking please.......

Explain oooo...

@nya....so ur of the opinion that Jesus is Yahweh??right Then I guess u just delved into modalism my bro....

And mind u d expression ""I AM"" is not a commensurate word for d name Yahweh...

Have u actually checked up d meaning of d name Yahweh?please check it up and write it here...

Please do ur research and tell me what that name means....

And u haven't answered me correctly....
If Jesus is Yahweh it means Yahweh died for 3days,...
The almighty God died and d heavens were devoid of Yahweh...
......no be so??

It also means Jesus prayed to himself and cried to himself and worshiped himself ...

Then finally it also means that Jesus is d holy spirit..

It means when Jesus was baptised it was still Jesus who came upon himself in d form of a dove.....
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When he promised his disciples of d helper he was d same helper that came ....


And I'll like to ask u , do these 2 expressions below mean d same thing?

""I AM" and ""I AM WHAT I AM""

Do those expresions mean d same thing




Also about d headship issue.....ur still running away from d point that Yahweh is greater than Jesus.......

U can run for all u can.....but my master Jesus himself said"" THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM""....

He made those statements because there were many back then who were like u today that feel that Jesus is Yahweh.....

When ever Jesus made statements that sounded a lil weird to his listeners he himself clarified them by explaining....

@itelo...so u mean Gods name is "I AM"" for all eternity...

Please was that d name moses told d isrealites?is I AM a name like I asked u earlier....

Why do u think Yahweh further told moses his personal name in d next verse

simply because I AM is nobodies name......

And that name Yahweh is what d isrealites called God thru out there life time and till today.....

Where again in d bible did u hear david,all d isrealites,d prophets call God I AM

I AM is nt a name........neither is I AM THAT I AM.........

The name of God that endures forever is YAHWEH,YHWH or JEHOVAH as d case may be.........

It also baffles me to see that d translation ur using uses "" THE LORd"" for Gods name...where is d name of GOD Where is d original tetragrammaton in that verse......

Ur bible is suppose to have Gods name there...
Where is it
That is what is causing this whole wahala....

@joel...u dnt have to abuse frosbel bro....he's our bro...

U can make ur points witout abuses...

Thanks man!!

@italo....like I said I can as well call u Jesus....because ur d same with him,.....

And u forgot to add 1 God and Father,1 Lord Jesus christ...


Jesus is 1 Jesus,Yahweh is 1 Yahweh....

And Yahweh is greater than Jesus...if u can't understand that basic truth then I dnt knw what to do...we already heard from Jesus himself.....

He said""the father is greater than I am""


And like Joel said d only reason why satan could ever think of tempting Jesus was because Jesus is not d supreme God,God almighty......

There is no way on earth satan will dare tempt Yahweh.....impossible!!!!

Satan knew Jesus long b4 Jesus came to d earth and still knows him....

And satan called him d Son of God....

@itelo.....is I AM someones name?

Or is ""I Am"" d same as"" I AM THAT I AM""

What is d meaning of"" I AM""

U tell me d meaning....

So if I say ""I AM"" it means I am YAHWEH ba

What is d meaning of YAHWEH?

Please give me d meaning of that name....

@nya.....so Jesus was on weed when he said d father is greater than he is??

And who told u a husband isn't greater than his wife..authority wise he is greater....
He is d head like u said,which makes him greater


Please let me show u d chain of headship in d bible....open to 1corinthians 11:3....

If you assume that Jesus is equal to his Father,then mind u we men are also equal to Jesus....u got it

And then wives also will be equal to there husbands and then children to there parents....so d chain will be by ur assumption...

Jesus takes instructions and obeys his Father Yahweh,we as men(humans) obey Jesus,while wives obey there husbands..shikena!!!!!!


If u say Jesus is Yahweh,then we are Jesus too....we and Jesus are d same

Headship is headship....seniority is seniority!!!

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I have asked wether anybody can see Yahweh and yet liveu haven't answer......

And if Yahweh can dieu haven't answered that too

@goshen....lol....beach??no do o...

U want make him surf join??hehehehehehe

@goshen.....and again It soothes my soul to hear u say that Yahweh is greater than Jesus.....u too much...that's d most important thing.....:-)...

If the 3 are God goshen then 1 shuldnt be greater than the other.....they shuld all be d same in everytin ...that's why I was saying it depends or d context in which d title God is used......


Well catholics believe that Yahweh is not greater than Jesus....

I understand completely when Jesus talked about oneness....u can read john 17:20-25....

Jesus clearly explained to his disciples what he meant when he said he and his Father were 1.......

It will realy surprise u to know that u could rightly say that you(goshen) and Jesus christ are 1....and infact Jesus said just as the father is in him,we will also be in him,and all of us in together in the father....if one wants to look @ that john 17:20-25 wit a trinity perspective then we all will be part of d trinity......

And remember if Jesus is the same as Yahweh then u will have to agree wit d catholics that mary is d mother of God....

Do u believe that??

@joe....we dey wait o....

Let's just strole down to a river my bro and let's see u do it....lol....

Lol@buzugee....

We need chat small...make we discuss some issues....

Oya nak me ur email make we chat on yahoo........

Mine is jboy2jboy@yahoo.com

I understand d oneness principle.......

I knw and I explained it on anoda post to an atheist if its not this one.....

My problem is is Yahweh greater that Jesus or they are mates?is 1 superior to the other??

Because I knw the husband is superior to his wife even if they can be 1...

What's ur take

I aint married...I'm just as single as apostle paul was....lol....

@goshen..it depends bro.....

JesÙs is the son of God.......so he himself said

@bÙzugee.....
Do u use a bb

Goshen.....I thought u urself earlier told us that God is not a name but a title.....

So ur question is kinda not ok

Just take a look @ eÀ7's last question....

It is either there are 3 Gods or 1 God....

or mayb all along Jesus had been lying to us when he worshiped Yahweh.....

Mayb he was tricking us,

Making us feel he was worshiping some1 greater than him while he was d same person........

Like ea7 said he must have been hiding his identity,.....if I may ask for what??

@goshen...so ur telling me I don't have to see those expressions b4 I believe in d trinity?

But all over the scriptures we have God the father....as important as d trinity dogma is those expressions shuld be written boldly in d scriptures.....

U guys made it d mystery it is....u guys formulated those expressions......

I only know and have seen GOD THE FATHER in d bible but never have I seen GOD THE SON......and u know why!!!!!!!!


I don't realy worship a God who can die or who has died b4 or who worships another GOd...

I worship the GOD and father of JEsus Christ......


And point of correction...HELPER is not a name...its a title my bro.....I can also be a helper to you.......any1 could be a helper....I need the personal name of d holy spirit.....God the Father has his personal name as YHWH or Yahweh.... Yahwehs son has his personal name as Yeshua or Jesus as d case mayb.....those are names not titles


What is d name of d holy spirit?

@frosbel....hope Yahweh is not part of d group of persons who will also bow down to Jesus(Yeshua)please answer

@goshen........please what's d name of God d holy spirit We have Father as Yahweh and son as Jesus in d family tree.....abeg holy spirit nkowetin be him title for d family??wetin be him name?

And I have never seen the expression"" God the son"" and God d holy spirit"" before in d bible and in this life......

If u've seen those 2 expressions before show me....

What I've always seen in the bible is GOD the FATHER....becos he is truly d father and God of all,both of Jesus and all of us...ephesians 1:3.

I dey lie?

@nyameke.......if Jesus is Yahweh according to ur idea it means Yahweh died and d heavens were devoid of Yahweh when Jesus was in d grave for 3days.......do u knw d level of heresy u just uttered?
Why is Jesus answering Yeshuawhy not answer the Yahweh @ once if he is Yahweh?

No human can see Yahweh and yet live and Yahweh never dies.....


Why shuld d trinity drag Yahweh to this level

Imagine the God of isreal died!!!!.....HERESY!!!!!!

But logic boy u could do wat u want.....

U even become an armed robber....its a free world aint it??

Do what u want.......

U tink its only God u can run away from?


Even ur governmental system been run by d devil executes purnishment on wrongdoers....


My brother no where to run to....

It will be foolishness if u think u aint got free will because God has put befor us blessings and maledictions to choose.....

It is either u choose or u don't choose.....but life will make u choose

Atheists always acting like kids who feel parents are policing them.....

Well if u guys say my comment makes no ounce of sense then ur frÉe to do what u want....

.It hÀs always been wanting to do what u want....or Àre u guys .starting to fear that realy an end is imminent


U culd choose to sex an AIDS victim with out condom if u want to.......

U culd decide to. Jump from a very tall building with out parasutes.....

U culd do what u want.....if there were no free will u wuldnt even be able to do what u want right now as we speak.......

U'll be a total robot......

If u people feel laws that are given that are for ur own good has become useless in ur eyes then u can do what u want....

Even scientists when they produce things give instructions on how it shuld be used or run....

When automobiles are produced we strictly obey d instructions in d manual so as not to get into trouble....they tell u wear ur sit belts when u drive,but ofcus no automobile company comes to put a gun @ ur head for u to obey those simple instructions.....its also free will that will make some not wear there sit belts,but when there is a collision they @ d end if they survive come to realize why they shuld have obeyed in d 1st place

If I can obey mere scientists why won't I obey the greatest and everlasting creator when he gives instructions which are for my own good.....

Which ever way u guys choose to abuse,insult and castigate God its up to you......

He has put in place blessings and maledictions....

You all CHOOSE!!!!!

@goshen...no mind them...na trouble them dey find...


@logic boy...when we all in nigeria are admonished to be one,I believe that is incestuos too.....

When Jesus said I and the Father are one he simply meant they were in unity,total agreement....

Jesus was always obedient and never a renegade........he did his Fathers will not his own will......

There has never been a time Jesus dis-agreed with his Father.....as he listens he obeys....

But abeg your dictionary spoil?

D real problem with atheists is just with d consequences. Or aftermath of doing what is wrong....
U guys wanna eat ur cake and have it....

D truth is when it comes to our choosing to serve God or not he in his infinite wisdom decides not to know about or meddle into our decisions or how we will end up....

Most times u guys feel that because God is all knowing then he shuld always decide to knw everything....God controls his every power and ability and decides to use them when necessary....

If God knew where we would end up b4 we were born either into destruction or life everlasting and still allowed us exist then that won't be nice of him....

But as I trust my heavenly Father,I know and I believe that he has chosen not to knw about our choices on wether we wuld serve him or not and wether we will be destroyed or enjoy eternal life...

Like I said God controls his abilities and powers...He is not like a damaged electric circuit that has its switch,transformers and other components destroyed so as to loose control and not guage its flow..

God has given us a choice.....
Choose either blessings or choose maledictions
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God can accompany us to choose what's right,but he @ d end decides not to know how each individual will end.....

That is why when humans strive to obey God despite opposition and succeed God and his son are happy....


Thanks!!!!








Thanks

But abeg ona catholics....
Make ona no vex I wan ask ona question wey ona must answer with bible o.....

Is Jesus d Yahweh I knw that Jesus himself,d Jews and d apostles worshiped or not

And is Jesus a God or God...


Because from my knowledge of d bible and of which I'm convinced is that almighty God named Yahweh cannot and can never be seen...

because any who sees God face 2 face will surely die whether he be in human form or not....

And secondly God cannot and will never die or taste death......
If I'm lying abeg make ona prove me wrong....


If u guys insist Jesus was God on earth make ona tell me why e worship another God
And did Jesus stop worshiping that God he worshiped on earth when he returned back to d heavens


All I know is there's no way mary can give birth to almighty God because she go die ehhhhhh!!!!!

@frosbel...how many timÉs will I tell u that it wasn't Yahweh who called Jesus god in that hebrews u quoted but rather it was a re-quote of what david said in psalms chapter 45:5-7 if I'm not mistÀken.....please read that psalms and tell me who made those statements?


it will be heresy if Ù say Yahweh called Jesus God.....please dnt ever think down dat line my brother....and please d next verse,verse 9 of hebrews chpter 1 immediately tells u who the God of Jesus is...
It says and I quote""thou hast loved righteousness,and hated iniquity,therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed thee with d oil of gladness above thy fellows"""

If u were told to read verses 8 and 9 of that hebrews and to interprete it how would u go about it

Apostle paul was only re-quoting a verse frm d psalms that applies to Jesus....that scripture even had an earlier fulfillment on solomon davids son...and then later to Jesus d greater solomon.......

How would Yahweh call Jesus God and then still anoint him??.....would there be any need for annointing if Jesus was d almighty God

@guitar....Jesus won't rapture a building but he did flog some maniacs who were buying and selling and extorting individuals in his Fathers house....abi

When I say church I mean the house of God....
And mind u I don't attend churches were people dance breakdances and makossa's all in the name of praising God....so the yanshes of people aint my problem.....

I'm only saying what is right @ d right time.....

It seems these days everytin goes in modern christianity...that's why u always have more empty headed people than those who rili wanna learn about God.....

I'm happy u culd say david never danced in d temple.....
D early christians did sing praises to God decently and by arrangements when ever they had a spiritual gathering,but dancing more or else wild dancing all in d name Óf praisiÑg God was never part of there agenda.......

U can call me blind but I'm serious.....

D churches and many persons are loosing sight of d seriousness of serving God today,because entertainment which ordinarily they could get during there leisure times has been dragged into Gods house.....

Even comedians come to crack jokes in churches today..SMH!

@joe....this is my point...
There is time for everything...
Entertainment should have its place and done wholesomely....but should it be merged with church activitiesthat's d question.....

I can dance to Gods glory @ home or some other wholesome gathering ,but should it be right inside d house of God where seriousness shuld be d order of d day??

Jesus did have recreational times but where those times spent when he got into d synagogue to discuss serious issues frm d scriptures?

Imagine if d isrealites after going into d temple,spend there time dancing makkosa all in d name of praising Yahweh,? U ofcus knw d thunder that will strike them that minute....

I'm not against christians having wholesome fun,but when shuld that be done

Is it during that 2hrs they are to sit down and learn about God in d church

I passed by a church 1 day and heard makkosa beats and d next thing I saw were d members dancing makkosa and shaking there yanshes.......is that worship any longer??

@poster...please kindly tell me d hope of all d faithfull patriachs who had done Gods will?
Starting from abel down to john d baptist and d robber that was hung alongside Jesus himself....
Where will they enjoy eternal life?

They weren't born agains.....
U told logic guy that God had overlooked there not being born agains...I want u to quote a scripture supporting that.......

Its a fact that if 1 is not born again he/she can't go to heaven.....

So where is d destination of those who never got to be baptised with water and spirit but did Gods will

Joagbaje: Dance is dance , it goes along with music. And music is part of worship.

Psalms 150:4-5
Praise him with the timbrel and dance:
praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals:
praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

Lol....dance is dance abi??....
Even tango too....now adays churches even have dance groups that even go for competitions....a guy and a girl dancing tango together,just like what we watch on movie magic(step up,stump da yard)....I believe that's all part of d holy spirit working ba

And please can u just get me a quote in d new testament where d 1st century christians danced in d church or where d isrealites danced right in d temple.....I'll appreciate that....!!!!

U never made any comment about comedians been invited to d church....

Oboy na serious entertainment dey go on for church o.....no seriousness again.....

Joagbaje: Let every man face his own calling. If you're busy for the lord ,you don't poke into someone else's .

Romans 14:10
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

What's wrong with people getting excited ith the word of God. What is edification? Is it sadness? The gospel is good news. My dominion over the devil,Sin ,sickness ,death and poverty. Why should I not get excited. I am the light of the world , I am the righteousness of God. Greater is he that is in me. Is that something to be sad about ? No, it's something to shout about!

1 Thessalonians 1:6
And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

Now I see why people now dance makkosa and break dance in d church..or sometimes bring comedians to d church.....now I see!!!

I agree with u bro....
In recent times preaching has been all about entertainment rather than dishing out Gods word as it is and in details....

Its all about wearing the best suits and shoes,holdin an msc or a phd....speaking phonetics and with style.......just to drag praise from people and also to be famous....

U see a pastor quoting just 1 or 2 verses on d pullpit, revolves around it till church closes and that's all....then tithe and offering time comes after....

Its all about style and competition....