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I just wish that diagram was in the bible...lol


The diagram got me asking:::Are they equal Gods or un-equal
If any of the Gods amongst the 3 there is greater than the other then that diagram is null and void...
And then ur formular 1 * 1 * 1 equals 1 is flawed

Just like d way goodluck isn't equal with obama,altho they are all presidents...

Joe up to you...

How are you doing today man?

Oh bro......I'v said what I got...

Many persons focus more on entertainment more than d more important things....

Like I said earlier,I don't have no problem wit individuals entertaining themselves(wholesomely),but why drag it to d lil time spent togther to worship God

Dancing wild all in d name of praising God right there in a congregation....

Bringing comedians like its a wedding reception......

Playing makkossa right in a congregation all to praise which God if I may ask

u dnt rili get my point I know but soon u'll get it...

When u see more of unserious persons who claim to be christians and an infinitesimal few who really are true christians then u'll get my point...

@jmoore....these questions I ask are questions that if well answered shuld bortress d trinity wahala...

Many have ended up saying its a mystery because ofcus it was formed by we men...


In revelations especially every being in heaven was present....starting from Yahweh himself,Jesus his son,the 7 spirits(angels) standing around the throne of Yahweh,and all the other myriads of angels who praise Yahweh and the Lamb,and also those faithfulls who have died who will rule alongside Jesus as kings and priests.....

Where is d holy spirit the 3rd part of d God-head....
You cant tell me that John missed that part....

The holy spirit is never seen,never....why

Its a person right

@goshen...my bro u also got it wrong...

If d holy spirit gave those prophets d visions and so they shuldnt be able to see d holyspirit when ever that vision of heaven is given to them then u got it real wrong...
You think that spirit is confined to a place or space

Let me ask u this..

Was it not Jesus who gave John the revelations he saw and penned down??

But how come was john still able to see Jesus standing close to Yahweh??
And where was d holy spirit

Remember u guys have d full job to show d holy spirit is much as a person as Yahweh and Jesus is to complete d trinity formula...

And these visions are showing us something contrary.....

Don't blame me for asking these questions always...

I am so sure like I told u that d trinity was adopted in d 3rd century and I'm so sure of its source...

And I know some of d verses of d scriptures has been toyed with over time to enforce d trinity...

So many faults wit d dogma....

And so many have to resolve to using science or spirit,soul and body like u do to explain it..lol


But remember whenever 1 dies,he dies along with all the 3 things u have said make up a man...both his soul,body and spirit or thoughts die completely..

But when Jesus died,Yahweh was very much still alife....infact he was the one who ressurected Jesus if not Jesus would have stayed in d grave far longer than that...

@jmoore...u still don't get d point do u??

During Jesus baptism d holy spirit that fell on Jesus was it a person

The trinity teaches 3 distinct persons..right??

It is true d holy spirit was poured on Jesus,but was that dove a person just as Yahweh and Jesus are

Are u trying to get my point??

Now those revelations seen by Gods servant definitly tells us that 2 persons are always seen....

Where is d 3rd person

A dove is not a person is it??

U can't tell me that the revelation david sang in his psalms,daniels vision,stephens vision and Johns vision are not enough to back up the questions I'm asking?


Where is d holy spirit in that arrangement??


The matthew 28 u quoted doesn't explain d trinity...it only shows how we should acknowledge the role the Father,his son,and d holy spirit plays in ones dedication to Yahweh......

@ all atheists....are u guys not afraid of anything?

Tell me u guys don't know of anything ur afraid of....

Death,failure,pain,....

I don't believe in d hell fire thing but d fear of God I have is not like a morbid dread...its a kind of fear accompanied with love...

The kind of fear that will make a good husband not cheat on his wife because he loves her and won't wanna let her down...


You all got it??

Even d governments ruling today I bet you guys are damn afraid of them..

@calloti.....u must be the Daft person....

You call Yahweh a daft God

What in d world is wrong with you guys.....?

Days are coming when you'll regret saying those words....

If Yahweh made all angels like a robot without free will you guys will still complain...

Satan chose his rebellious part....

Its like you all forget that if Jesus didn't want to obey his Father he had the free will to do thatunlike satan Jesus willingly chose to obey his Father till death...


FREEWILL is 1 thing that has always existed....

U choose man...

But don't abuse God....we are talking about the creator here not some darwin..

@jmoore...so is that d reason why d holy spirit shuld be absent from those visions to confirm the triune-affair


If there has to be any evidence of these 3 persons(Gods) as d case mayb,those visions shuld have shown it...

And again when ever d bible speaks of headship,let's say like a hierarchy,d holy spirit is never mentioned...

Why?

Let's take for example 1 corinthians 11:3

Yahweh is head of Christ
Christ is head of man
Man is head of woman

Where is d holy spirit in that set up??

Who is d head of d holy spirit or who is headed by d holy spirit??

Goshen welcome my bro....

Regarding my post what's ur point??

Why isn't d holy spirit in that picture

Now Jesus is in heaven,standing @ the right hand of his Father and God Yahweh,but the holy spirit is never there....

Where is He or it??

Now this question is technical.....

D trinity is a doctrine that must be explained completely by its originators...

I always insist it was borrowed frm paganism of which it is as history tells us and as d bible tells us,but u guys argue that no it has always existed....

So I need a full explanation as to why the holy spirit is never in that picture or in those visions to affirm a tri-une God-head.....

I knw we can't fully understand all of Gods work,but d last thing God will do is confuse us about or hide his real identity....

That is why he gave his personal name to moses to tell d isrealites and that name is to last to times indefinite.......

And please employ d scriptures to explain why d holy spirit is never seen as a person in d heavens.....

@ola.....who is ur God

Yahweh or Jesus christ or both

No known location yet my bro...

Let d hell fire preachers come tell us...

@joe and OLA...

God is not incomprehensible,trinitarians made Him...


Simple things have become so complicated because both translators who wanted to make d trinity teaching stand edited some verses frm d originals and also philosophies of men and pagan doctrines crept into d church...


Jesus came here on earth not to show he was d supreme God,but that he was sent by d supreme one,who is Yahweh as we know...

Jesus never used science as u guys are doing,using matter,space and time to explain a doctrine d scriptures never founded....

If I am to imitate d christ of which he himself told us to imitate,then I'll worship the God he worshipped......how does that sound??


if I ask a simple question:::::
Who is ur Godand I tell u to mention ur 1 God by name,I know it will be a question hard for u to answer.....

And so I'll ask u both...

What is the name of your 1 God...?

@jesoul.....job well done....hw u doing??


@achi....how do u mean??please explain??

U mean its nt a seperate person from Yahweh??

It has always been a fact from the scriptures that when ever servants of Yahweh and his son Yeshua(Jesus) were enabled to see through into the heavens,or when visions are given to them of God in his lofty position,the persons they only see are Yahweh(almighty God) and his son Jesus Christ standing @ his right hand...

.where is the holy spirit

When stephen was about dying he gazed up into heaven and he saw just 2 persons,daniel had this vision too and only saw Yahweh and Jesus(Son of man),apostle paul too,and finally John in revelations also could percieve Jesus standing @ d right hand of his Father(Yahweh),and this revelation was given to him by Jesus himself....

But in all of these visions seen by various servants of God,none of them ever saw the holy spirit who is purportedly suppose to be part of the trinity God-head..

Why is the holy spirit never in that picture to form the tri-une formular..mayb by standing @ d left hand of Yahweh or mayb @ the back of Him?

These whole scene got me wondering if actually the holy spirit is realy a person..

Or mayb the holy spirit keeps himself absent when ever visions of heaven are seen by servants of God

Trinitarians I want ur answers from d bible please!!!!......

Thanks!!!

@david....thanks my bro...your just on point..


@logic boy....

I wish ur child u'll give birth to will evolve back to an ape....I just wish....so that u'll understand d import of what ur talking about...


Apes till now as we speak give birth to there kinds,while humans do d same also...

All living things give birth to its kind no matter how vast there species are.....

Nothing is evolving into another form..

Humans give birth to humans,apes give birth to apes...

If ur waiting for a million years to see when an ape will turn into a human all in d name of evolution then u'll be as dumb as ur ancestors who started this evolution gibberish...

@logic boy...have u witnessed d micro and macro shit urself

Have u??

And u tell me death is part of evolution

You and ur fellow evolutionist shuold be mad!!! Sorry to use that word on u guys...


Then let them find a way to stop it if they can.....

Because they can't understand and won't agree with creation they now tell u old age and death is part of evolution,mutation and adaptation....

I thought were suppose to be evolving forever...or after we die we evolve in our graves....

But unfortunately we return to dust because from dust we are and to dust we return including darwin ur god.......

Take ur evolution crap and shove it right in darwins grave.......


Dnt worry we all live in this world....

I pray d world doesn't end too soon,we'Ll come to knw which is true...

While ur scientists keep attributing death and oldage to evolution,I want them to find a cure for it....stop death and oldage....

Let them do that to prove Jah doesn't exist

@logicmind...from ur assertion it means none of us will ever see anytin evolve since it will take millions of years to evolve....

Now u see hw daft evolution is...

U now believe ur fellow humans who told u that crap...now where is d evidence?

Which of those evolutionist will ever live to see humans evolve or anyother living thing evolve?

There life spans are just 1 century highest and yet they talk about evolution...


Let them explain why instead of humans evolving we are degenerating,growing old and dieing......

Even ur evolutionist can't fathom it....

Let them keep waiting,they'l grow old,die and wake up to see a creator created everytin...

It takes us just 70/80 yrs to knw that we certainly will grow old and die,but it will take millions of yrs. For a living thing to evolve...
Ona dey crase for head.....

We want to see something,humans evolve right in front of us before we'll believe in evolution...
.

Let ur scientists stop old age and death then I'll subscribe to atheism and d theory of evolution....

@logic mind...please what's wrong with men or husbands superior to women?


Is that not nature my freind??

Been superior doesn't mean d men shuld beat d women but that they have greater authority than women do...

@nya....so christ is angel micheal ba

and he has been d angel micheal all d while that was always sent by Yahweh to rescue d isrealites....ba


Ur 1 diff catholic who believes Jesus is actually angel micheal,,,...many of them refute it...why??

Because they say Jesus can never and is not an angel because he is almighty God he doesn't have a beginning......
Meanwhile we all know that all angels were created..

Now we are talking about Jesus before he came to earth and after ascension...

And with d title Jesus has as a morning (star) meaning he is an angel if I'm not mistaking but chief of Yahwehs angels,how does that make him d Yahweh?


Remember I'm an anti-trinity guy...

And situations like this is what makes me so damn sure that Jesus is not d same as his Father(Yahweh)...

Angels are always sent by a higher authority...
And here is Jesus in his post-human life still being sent by his Father to do not his own will bt he's Fathers will.....

If Jesus is arch angel micheal then Jesus isn't equal with his Father

..
And make no mistake about it Jesus wass doing what he had always been doing since d worlds beginning....obeying and worshipin Yahweh all the way..

@ola....in other words ur saying that when Jesus came to the earth he wasn't part of d Godhead...


For Jesus to either forget or suffer from memory loss as regards to when d world will end shows that he wasn't part of d God head when he was on earth....am I correct

Because ofcus Jesus came from heaven and he remembered perfectly where he came from and so he had his memory intact...

Ur excuse that he was in bodily form so he had to act like he didn't know or forget he knew is d dumbest thing I've ever heard...ur in other words ur saying Jesus forgot he was part of a God head who knew everytin b4 coming to earth.


Because it was with that same body,human form that Jesus opened his mouth and its 1 scripture u guys go quoting about to prove Jesus is Yahweh when he said ""before abraham was I AM""...I believe when he made that statement he had his memory back,but when he said ""the day and hour no one knows ,neither d angels,nor the son,but only the Father"" he had amnesia....right??.


Was that d explanation Jesus gave to his disciples or is that what d bible told u?

Which ever way u look @ it Jesus did d same thing every other person subordinate to Yahweh will do.....
He prayed to Yahweh(knelt down for that matter),and said everything a son will say to his Father who is greater than him....


And down till today Jesus still remains subject to his DAD....
Forever subject......read 1corinthians 15:26-28

@ola....in other words ur saying that when Jesus came to the earth he wasn't part of d Godhead...


For Jesus to either forget or suffer from memory loss as regards to when d world will end shows that he wasn't part of d God head when he was on earth....am I correct

Because ofcus Jesus came from heaven and he remembered perfectly where he came from and so he had his memory intact...

Ur excuse that he was in bodily form so he had to act like he didn't know or forget he knew is d dumbest thing I've ever heard...ur in other words ur saying Jesus forgot he was part of a God head who knew everytin b4 coming to earth.


Because it was with that same body,human form that Jesus opened his mouth and its 1 scripture u guys go quoting about to prove Jesus is Yahweh when he said ""before abraham was I AM""...I believe when he made that statement he had his memory back,but when he said ""the day and hour no one knows ,neither d angels,nor the son,but only the Father"" he had amnesia....right??.


Was that d explanation Jesus gave to his disciples or is that what d bible told u?

@goshen....ur answers were not tight enough to give me a reason why Jesus will pray to himself....

U sounded half and half,agreeing that Yahweh is greater than Jesus......

Ur not a full trinitarian my bro....

Go to d catholics and let them show u what trinity is all about...

If u haven't believed that mary is the mother of God then u haven't started..lol

Meanwhile like I said earlier we need a new bible frm d heavens....because king james did his own addition and subtraction from d originals.....

Flaws here and there....mythical words in d bible....pagan words attached to godly observances.....fixing of words to support d trinity dogma....

That's why isaac newton discarded d trinity dogma....

To my understanding not all faithfull christians will go to heaven....

Why??

Because nt all will be born agains....

All d faithful patriachs from abel down to all those who never got baptised with water and spirit are gonna have a different destination...


That's why in a sense followers of christ, are greater than even John d baptist and all those who never saw and lived after christ coming and ressurection........


It means abel won't go to heaven because he isn't born again...

Spiritual isrealites are the 1's wit d priviledge of ruling alongside Jesus as kings and priests in d heavenly kingdom

Ola mayb some miscreants stole d cash from her...
Who knows?

Sometimes I feel God should throw a new original bible frm d skies and let's start afresh.....
Man has rili tampered wit d scriptures to d extent that God is now 3 distinct individuals not making up 3 gods but 1 God...

Thanks to pagans for showing false christianity d light of trinity....

Mayb d jews,abraham and all d rest never understood this sacred secret.....

God died,God prayed to himself,God within himself never knew somethings(like when d world would end) while another part of himself knew d secret.....

God is also greater than himself....

The founders of trinity will surely pay for this crime when d end comes

Buzugeee....oboy I no see message o..that my account is realy filled wit all kinds of mails....

Facebook especially......

Did u send me an email??

@nyameke....answer me na....I asked u a question earlier.....


I asked if it was God himself who led d angels to fight against satan and his angels and drove them down to d earth or it was arch-angel micheal who God designated to do that Job?

Because u said it was God and I'm wondering is arch angel micheal God

2..

Is Jesus not a star too

@buzugee.....
.Oboy do come back o make we suffer fuel subsidy removal together...hehehehehehe...

That's cool....give me ya email I/d make we chat when we dey chanced...