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Oahray: lol. Fallacy upon fallacy. Alright, going by your own twisted logic, God told Israelites to offer animal sacrifice, therefore it is not out of place to offer animal sacrifices today.

The copper serpent forshadowed the Christ (not Mary) as Jesus said in John 3:13-15.
The Israelites simply had to gaze at it, and no form of worship was involved.

2 Kings 18:4 shows that the Israelites later started sacrificing to it, and Hezekiah had it destroyed as part of his reforms.

That said, it's amazing how easily you guys nitpick the scriptures.

The Israelites had the Ark of the convenant. Do we?

The Israelites offered animal sacrifices and grain offerings. Do we?

The Israelites had Moses as their mediator. Do we?

The Israelites were guided by Mosaic laws which condoned some things Christ rejected, like 'hating your enemies' or 'bloodshed'.

If you are truly Christian, then you should be guided by the new convenant which was built on Love (God and Christ's love for us), mediated by Christ, and sealed by his shed blood.

Mary was an imperfect human like us, favoured with the blessing of birthing the messiah, she was not elevated to any special position deserving of worshipful honor by Jesus or his 1st century followers.
Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. Look up to him today, not Mary.

italo: The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
In light of the sex abuse scandal that rocked the Catholic Church beginning five years ago, religious and victims’ rights organizations have been seeking this type of data for years. It has been hard to come by since Protestant Churches are more de-centralized than the Catholic Church.
Responding to heavy media scrutiny, the Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.) The fact that this number includes all credible accusations, not just those that have involved insurance companies, and still is less than the number of cases in Protestant churches reported by just three insurance companies, should be making front page of The New York Times and the network evening news. It’s not.
The report is even more telling if we consider the plethora of independent or “store front” Protestant churches that don’t have insurance and whose numbers, therefore, certainly are not taken into account in this study.
This bad news for Protestant Churches is sad news for all of us. I would prefer the problem be limited to any one church — even if that church were my own — because it would mean more kids would be safe. But as I have said repeatedly over the last few years, the problem of sexual abuse of minors is not an issue of religious affiliation because there is nothing religious about abusing children. The phenomenon of sexual abuse of minors in church settings is the story of sick human beings taking advantage of their position of moral authority to prey on the weak and vulnerable. If Catholic clergy were to be faithful to their church’s teaching, there would be no abuse in the Catholic Church. The same goes for Protestant clergy. The problem, then, is not one of corrupt doctrine, but of individuals being unfaithful to the most basic precepts of their own religious belief.
Let’s be clear: the report of abuse in Protestant Churches in no way clears guilty members of the Catholic Church — neither the predators nor those who moved them from church to church and put other young people in danger. But the report does give us better perspective. The problem of sexual abuse has no denominational boundaries.
But why, then, is there so much abuse in church settings in general? Because contemporary society is sick and it is producing so many sick people that some of these disjointed souls even end up in churches. It should also be noted that we are more likely to hear about the church-related cases because they tell a more salacious story — what should be white is black, and so on. The Catholic Church is the best story because the blame (and the money trail) can go all the way to Rome.
I would like to be able to say that the sexual abuse of minors is limited to church settings because, if that were the case, once again, more kids would be safe. But it’s not. Sexual predators are in our schools, hospitals, and foster families. It hurts to say it, but because our society is so sick, sexual predators are everywhere.
But there’s hope. Society does not spin out of control on its own. It has fallen with us and it can rise with us. Society is cultivated and formed by human beings who are capable of changing behavior patterns and doing the right thing. The most important thing we can do to heal societal wounds is to teach our children, day in and day out, by words and example, what it means to love and be loved. Disjointed and sick people, the ones who abuse children, don’t fall from the sky. They are born into families, into towns, and communities. It is to the degree that more moms and dads, teachers, pastors, and neighbors are able to pass on the beauty of selfless love that society will start to get better — and our churches too.


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italo: Who is worse now, the one who is married yet sleeps with children or the one who isnt married?

It seems like pedophilia bis far more rampant among married people than celibate ones.

You have no case.

chukwudi44: Sorry I didn't even realise your level of ignorance on key catholic doctrines !! FYi catholics do not just ask mary to pray for them but also hundreds of thousands of saints from all generations including the apostles.

Please do a little more studying and less critisizing,it will help a lot

Richieboyn: U can imagine! Av nt even seen that sef.

Ubenedictus: abeg talk truth make devil shame, una just get weytin dey scratch una body wey make una dey open thread up and down even make arguement wey no make sense.
I just read one of such arguement by u where u seem to imply dat prayer stop been prayer when it is said on beads. So it is insane to compare ordinary prayer with those that were counted.
That is an example of d kind silly arguement una dey make.

Ubenedictus: Like i said, it is a pity that i'm discussing with a grown man who has refused to use his reasoning faculty none of those things you name imply worship.

Ubenedictus: this is a strawman! Where did a catholic tell you he did the bolded?

Ubenedictus: you are really a waste of time. When it comes to catholicism you just can't reason properly.
Sorry.

Ubenedictus: so your dishonesty don push you sotay u no know weytin be xtian bible. I really pity u.

Ubenedictus: you again see how your dishonesty shines through? So if i say "thank you lord Jesus" 20times using beads, does that mean becos i used beads i wasn't praying. U see how dishonesty makes u sound like a fo.o.l? So by d very fact that beads were used prayer cease to be prayer? Ha! Smh.

Ubenedictus: did the xtians in d 1st century carry about a xtian bible?

Ubenedictus: wow, if every xtian is part of christ then i guess in a mystical fashion it may b said marry is moda of d church. Hehehe

Richieboyn: You are just an educated illiterate that is why it is sooooo hard 4u 2comprehend that we don't worship Mary. D Bible u always make reference to was authored by this same Church u despise sooo much. Yet, u love the Bible? 4ur information, d Church is senior to d Bible. How then were they teaching before d advent of the Bible? Dere ws no Church den abi? Can't u see dat ur nt informed?

Ubenedictus: hehehe, so celibacy changes one from a heterosexual to a pedophile and homosexual abi? This is d wierdest stuff i've heard.

Ubenedictus: unmarried christain shuld be unmarried till they marry and the bible also say marriage isnt for everyone.
Do not cherrypick my dear.

Ubenedictus: and sin in the church isn't the work of d devil but the handwork of celibacy abi?

Ubenedictus: and all this will metamophise into a scientific theory that says celebacy causes homosexuality abi?

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear u've gat d flow all wrong. People dont become pedophiles becos they were celibate, pedophilia is a deep seated attration to children right from youth, homosexuals do no turn homosexual becos they were celibate, as far as they can remember they also had an attration for d same sex. Giving an homosexual a wife doesn't change anything, it will only irritate him and he will still feel attacted to a man. Pedophiles will still go for kids. Your whole theory that if sexual urges are curtail it causes homosexuality and pedophilia is a very big joke that has no standing.

Ubenedictus: the ratio is much lower than 1 out of 12 incase u are unaware.

Ubenedictus: please do you know someone who was prevented from marriage.

Ubenedictus: i dont remember if his wife was even mentioned after he became an apostle. Only his mother in law was.

yeah, tell me about your theory of how celebacy causes heterosexuals to become homosexuals.

i have seen it. It clearly says "in latter times..." if we forbade marriage like dat passage says then how come marriage ceremony are celebrated in d catholic church every week.

Ubenedictus: yes!!! Na lie u talk, incase u no some catholic priest are married.

Richieboyn: She's even a queen over you, despite you foolishness. Just the way your mother will love you no matter what you say and do to her.

italo: Busy-body... what is your business?

tobechi20: Y do they flog people who are posesed

italo: Of course, I know. I was just using it to illustrate how they go from here to there to try to distract from the issue at hand.

I know very well that Peter was married and that the Church's celibacy rule for priest only came about later.

It is not a Catholic doctrine (that cannot change)... it is only a 'discipline'...

Cheers and thank you.

Richieboyn: Virgin Most Poweful, Virgin Most Faithful, Queen of Angels, Queen of Patriachs, Queen of Apostles..... Queen conceived without original sin..... Queen of the Most Holy Rosary. Queen of the Family. Queen of Peace...

woky: she is the Queen of peace, seat of wisdom,mother of our saviour, miror of justis, morning star,comforter of the afflicted health of the sick,virgin most powerful, and mother of the church.. If u ar a real catholic, LIKE THIS!

Rich4god: @ijawkid... Let me ask you this question. Is serving God as a celibrate person against God's plan?...
From your answer above, i want you to know that, no 1 forces anybody in RCC to live a celibrate life. And if you think its only celibrate men/women that work in the catholic church, then you are getting it wrong. We have lay oblates(men and women) that are married and they serve in the church. We have Eucharistic ministers, permanent deacon, cathechists and host of others that doesnt require for some1 to be celibrate. So its not only the celibrate that serves God in RCC. Stop making blind arguement cos you dont knw much about the church.

Chukskalidon: dats wot am talking about. All these fishful christians would neva b logical. Didn't Jesus said, "if u want to serve me leave ur wives and children". When he met peter he said" leaves ur family and all u've got and follow". Seriously, if u're a Jehovah Witness, I shouldn't b talking to u. I cnt see anyone affirming to b a Jehovai Witnes. Its a church in total disorder.
"How u worship reflects what u believe and what u believe determines ur life".
'Lex orandi', 'lex vivendi', 'lex trivendi'.

italo: Jehovah's witness, since you believe that there are good reasons to steal, rape children and deny God. I have to leave you with your fake christianity.

italo: The voice of the Catholic Church is the voice of God. God's requirement is what the Catholic Church says is God's requirement. I see you want to digress.

italo: 1 out of 12? Judas is just the one who didnt repent.

Peter denied Jesus.

All the apostles were jostling for power and position.

12 out of 12, I say.

italo: Who are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, if not Catholic priests.

italo: You said celibacy was against God's plan

Jesus thinks otherwise.

PERIOD.

italo: Matt 19:10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Who are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, if not Catholic priests.

In all your years as a Jehovah's Witness, you have never come across that SCRIPTURE?

italo: I dont mean you think 100% of Catholic priests are bad, but you think majority.

When we say "every Nigerian is sharop", it doesnt mean we dont have dullards among us.



A look at the bolded tells your story.

italo: I'm disappointed. My dear, for a Christian, there is no good reason to steal.

Proverbs 30:7 “Two things I ask of you, Lord;
do not refuse me before I die:
8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.
9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, ‘Who is the Lord?’
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.

Where does that passage say poverty is a GOOD reason to steal?

Going by your analogy, it would mean that "having too much" (verse 9) is a good reason to disown God.

AND THAT IS A LIE.

italo: You have started the traditional protestant doctrinal dance.

We are discussing whether celibacy is the causative for pedophilia and homosexuality among some priests...and you have started the "where is it in scripture deviation." If I start it with you now, can you stand it? Okay, where is it in scripture that christians should not do anything that is not in scripture? Where is it in scripture that everything good is in scripture?

italo: OH, SO YOU MEAN THAT CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE NOT PART OF THE WORLD. THE TRUTH IS FINALLY COMING OUT.

I SAID IT, THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG SOMEWHERE.

Anyway, Judas was chosen by Jesus, yet he was controlled by the devil. Jesus allowed that to happen to teach you guys a lesson. After 2000yrs, you still have learnt nothing from that.