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benalvino: even frosbel that opens the thread is not staying on topic. I couldn't find you in the thread that ijawkid ran away from and his entourage lol. I see the thread you directed me to. and I smiled.

Oboy your own thread wey you give false definition of Jesus being the beginning of Gods creation.....

Thread wey you yourself dey completely ignorant of who Jesus be.....

I give you scriptural examples of the use of such expression you turn to steven wonder.......

Oya I ask you why the Father no fit be the beginning of Gods creation u begin dance azonto....

Then you dey here dey yap say we run......

Thread wey u dey argue yeyely as to the oneness wey we get with Christ.....


Thread wey even as we show you how Jesus take be saviour u argue blindly they claim say Jesus na Yahweh since Yahweh say na him be the only saviour....

We no run...we just leave you to wallow in your pagan doctrine called the trinity...

The moment you agree say Jesus no be the Father na him I just leave the thread....

My job was finished on that thread......

Bidam: You must be delusional like i always say. What do you understand by resurrection?

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Ask yourself and your false doctrine.....

With your kind of doctrine we don't nEed ressurection.....


Smh!!!!.......

Bidam: lol..your opinion.God says i am special not a waste.

Special in what way??...

When your whole doctrine contravenes the foundation of christianity....

RESSURECTION.......

Bidam: I don't like the style of this argument..asking questions that where already provided by my post is tautology..pls go back and read my post again with the scriptures i quoted until light dawns on you.

You are a complete waste.......

Team anti-ressurection.......

benalvino: We are not talking about 3nity. If you want that go to my thread where I prove the bible calls Jesus God of the world. This thread says Jesus exist only when Mary born am

Which thread??...

The thread where you couldn't comprehend or chose not to comprehend how and why Yahweh is called the one saviour though carries out his saving acts through is representatives(sub saviours)...??....

And if I can remember satan is also the God of this world.....

benalvino: if I wasn't a Trinitarian... this alone will make me believe in the trinity. I wonder how ijawkid and other frosbel teams against Trinitarians will feel about this.


Philippians 2:5-11

New International Version (NIV)


5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:


6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

I am angry at my self debating with you before. you ignore every thing about the bible. and not a single reason why Jesus did not exist before he was born is given.

honestly I don't see any reason for one to continue on this thread talking about it.
because Jesus says father Glorify me with the Glory I had with you before the world begin. please the bible is not a comic you hear.

I don't see how this verse proves that 3 persons make up one GOD.....

I don't see any.......

If only this verse can make you believe in the trinity then I bet you don't even know what you believe in.......

I have told you that as long as Jesus isn't the Father the trinity remains null and void....

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And talking about the glory Jesus had with the Father,it was the Father who gave Jesus that glory.....

So I don't know what's special......

Bidam: The post you quoted didn't mention that.May be you need an REG(Recommended Eye Glasses).

Isn't what you are spewing here completely pagan.......??...

Bidam: And what also do you understand by Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward?

I asked you first.........answer.......

Bidam: Of cos the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
You probably missed that wonderful analogy i made in benalvino thread about the Father being the source(soul) Jesus being the word(flesh) and the Holy Spirit being God's Spirit.Go back and selah...

Your analogy was useless.........

I repeat all I sEe is the Father as 1 God and not 3 persons making up one GOD......

Or abi no be trinity again u believe in??....

Bidam: dumb argument. Try to relate it to what i said above and go meditate deeply on John 1:1 whenever you read it insert God not a god.

Mumu answer my questions and stop this nonsense.....

Is your spirit,body and soul different different distinct persons making up one BIDAM??.......


John 1:1 does not support your foolish doctrine.....

Bidam: why do you keep repeating questions i have answered? ehh! i hope you wrote and pass you exams well o.These question are answered abeg.thoughts,intentions etc are soul.
You TOO..smh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thoughts and intentions are soul??....

Na scriptures talk am or you just classify am to fit into ur gospel??.....

And please can you tell all of us where the spirit ,soul and body of adam is??.....

Bidam: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7).


All go unto one place; for all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again (Ecclesiastes 3:20).


Now we know that this verse is speaking of the body, for in the next verse we read:

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward? (Ecclesiastes 3:21).


In Scripture we read that man sleeps, but the sleep always is identified with the body. Never once does the Bible refer to the soul sleeping. Where some fall into danger is in identifying man merely with his body and in ignoring the fact that he is a triune being. Man is a trinity; body, soul and spirit. Now the body is not the whole man. Therefore it cannot be concluded that the death of the body is the death of the whole man.

From d definition of the pagan doctrine called the trinity can we say the spirit,soul and body are 3 distinct persons??.....


And please what do you understand by the spirit that returns back to God after a man dies??......

Bidam: Another misconstrued verse is found in the prophecy of Daniel where we read:

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt (Daniel 12:2). Which frosbel did quote earlier and is using now to justify this falsehood.

Man is a triune being because he is created in the image of God. “God said, Let us make man in Our image” (Genesis 1:26). We know that God is a Trinity. The Holy Trinity is clearly set forth in the Apostle Paul’s benediction that closed his Second Corinthian Epistle: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen” (2 Corinthians 13:14). Our Lord Himself said, in what we call “The Great Commission”: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19). Created in the image of God, man is likewise a trinity. He has a spiritual nature that is separate and distinct from the body in which it dwells.

I don't even see how these verses prove the trinity teaching......

In all of it all I see one person standing out as the one GOD and that is the Father and not a combination of the rest acclaimed co -eternal Gods.....

Now back to the topic....
Is your spirit, body and soul different persons??.......since you have wrenched what it means when it is said we are made in Gods image......I wonder what you would say of Jesus who is also an image of God....

Is Jesus tripartite too??.....

Confusion galore

Bidam: The two following passages from the Bible clearly establish the fact that man is a triune being composed of spirit, soul, and body:

I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

In spite of the erroneous teaching of “Jehovah’s Witnesses” and of other false sects that “no man has a soul,” the Bible states emphatically that man was created a trinity of spirit, soul, and body even as the eternal God is Himself a trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The trinity of man is an essential part of the image relationship between him and God. Life is not ultimately physical and the body is not the whole man. And we might add that neither the body in itself, nor the soul in itself, nor the spirit in itself makes up the whole man, but he is “spirit and soul and body.” This must be seriously considered and definitely agreed to before we can comprehend with any accuracy the subject of life after death.

And after a well copy and paste post the question arises.....

Where is the soul and spirit of adam the oga who landed us in this wahala??......

I can't even believe you would read hebrews 4:12 and apply it to man been tripartite..........and u forgot to classify thoughts and intentions in that verse....

In which group do we put thoughts and intentions??....under soul,spirit or body??....

Smh!!!!!!.......

benalvino: This is just desperation... Instead of you to ask why you guys add to the bible you are researching others now. Have you research on your side? Murder case starts from the home of the dead victim.
the post you put there didn't even tell us anything. People significantly differentiate FALSE gods from the TRUE God. Yahwh was removed cause of translational issues. What is there?

I been wan avoid this your comment but make I talk wetin dey my belle...

Abeg show me that existing bible wey them no add something inside........

Infact Do you know the KJV itself has the highest additives to the scriptures more than anyother rendering??.......

Do you know??...

This is why I say slow down on your condemnation of the NWT in this discussion because if I bring the flaws of the beloved KJV here you go tire for life.......

You said the name of the almighty was removed because of translational issues,and just that singular act has misled a great crowd not to be able to identify the only true God,rather they assume and squeeze persons to fit into this one God..........

For the fact that the NWT was able to restore that name tells me that it is infact more sincere.....

How can people because of translational problems omit or rather not use that name when it does appear more than 7000 times in the hebrew scriptures.........

Now who has added/subtracted the more??.....

Make ona tell me.....

benalvino: nope it doesn't explain why there are 2 lords when he says jesus is the one lord

Oya suit yourself......at least we know who the one GOD is....

I dey go write exam...

Wish me the best.....

deSika: really pathetic so the verses from acts 5: 3,4,and the others dont mean anything to you. Ok

And paul forgot to sqeeze this in 1 corinthians 8:6 when it was time to explicitly show who the one GOD to us is??.....




This is why I say until you guys read scriptures without the trinitarian lens then you would actually see things clearer......

As long as one is not the Father that person remains not the one GOD to us.......


The one GOD I know is the Father....I support paul,Jesus who worshiiped the Father,abraham, and all of God worshippers who recognized this Father consistently as the one GOd

benalvino: you still don't get the question abi?
okay appointed lord... I hear you... why is jesus the one Lord yet the father is Lord to us... it should be 2 lords then. you cant answer this question

Because he is the one medium or agent through which God is using to lead his people....

Are you satisfied??.....

Back then in isreal before the jews were liberated from egypt,could there have been another Lord or leader other than moses whom God appointed to free his people??....

Could the isrealites. Have ignored moses's leads and still be freed??

deSika: i have answered your question. JESUS IS NOT THE FATHER.

deception is when you say "in hebrew there is no capital letter for god" yet in nwt capital letter God is used in isaiah 9:6.

Falsehood is when the bible says he shall be called mighty God, yet someone says no i wont call him mighty God.

Of Jesus is not the Father then he is not the one GOD to us.....

Isn't that true??......

Please go back to my previous post and see that the word el gibbor was not even clinged to him to even show he was divine....

Men were called el gibbor......

I have told you all a million times,Jesus to be called el gibbor is tied to his being given rulership and kingdom and power.........

if Jesus is not the Father then i am off this thread.......

benalvino: he will be like a god to pharaoh which is categorized on the other 2 definition... [size=28pt]so if he was God already why do God have to make him God again [/size]

I want to tell you that one does not have to be worshipped to be called GOD or EL respectively.......

benalvino: there is 3 definition of God... one fit son and the father... the other 2 fit idols

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Please let's go with the hebrew word EL which fits the Father ,Jesus ,angels and all of us..........

benalvino: the Church is the world... am asking so the father is not the lord? simple it says one God the father and one lord the son. is the father not our [size=28pt]lord?[/size]

why do you think Jesus is called Lord.....

I have asked a very vital question.....

Is there any other appointed Lord over over the church and Gods people other than Jesus??.......

Please answer....

lord
[lawrd]

-n.
1. a person who has authority, control, or power over others; a master, chief, or ruler.
2. a person who exercises authority from property rights; an owner of land, houses, etc.
3. a person who is a leader or has great influence in a chosen profession: the great lords of banking.
4. a feudal superior; the proprietor of a manor.
5. a titled nobleman or peer; a person whose ordinary appellation contains by courtesy the title Lord or some higher title.
6. the Lords Spiritual and Lords Temporal comprising the House of Lords.
7. cap.
a. the title of certain high officials (used with some other title, name, or the like): Lord Mayor of London.
b. the formally polite title of a bishop: Lord Bishop of Durham.
c. the title informally substituted for marquis, earl, viscount, etc., as in the use of Lord Kitchener for Earl Kitchener


Was there ever a time moses was aPpointed the one leader over Gods people??......

benalvino: of Cause...
what are you God over...
you must answer it.

Now I know what your definition of God is.....

From the words which the word GOD is coined from "EL" must I be worshipped before I can be called GOD??.....

Please tell me how moses became GOD to pharoah and aaron......

Is there any other Lord over the church that has been appointed by the Father except one,Jesus

benalvino: you didn't answer it... it say there is one lord Jesus so is the father a false Lord?

Whatever lord means the point is there is One lord and the verse you quote said is Jesus...

did the father stop being lord at that moment?

Nope(1 corinthians 11:3)....he made Jesus Lord for reasons which have been provided......

benalvino: you are the confused one...
we are not God...

what are you God over? tell me 2 things you are God over. who is worshipping you?
what have you created?
can you not die?
answer all this.

So I must be worshipped before I am called GOD??....

Now this is where ya ignorance comes up......

benalvino: you are not answering the question.
this verse did not answer it. and you can never answer that question...
ones you say Jesus is not God then Idolatry claims will be in the bible plus different contradiction...

what does John mean when he called the Word God... if you say he means another god can we agree that even apostle paul is guilty? we are all polytheist?

the contradiction will go on.

I have answered your question....

What do you think Lord means??.....

What??....

You are running left right center from the fact that Jesus was made Lord for a reason.......

deSika: am sure you understand english or should i speak ijaw for you.
read my lips no Cyrus was speaking in that verse. if you think otherwise show where Cyrus spoke simple

Who was sent to the chaldeans and the babylonians??......

Answer me......

deSika: the one God is the father in 1 cor 8:6
the one God is the Son in Ezekiel 1:24-28, isaiah 45:5 to 48:16, Zechariah 2: 8,10,11 and others
the one God is the holyspirit in acts Acts 5:3,4
the one God is to be worshipped, yet the son is worshipped
the one God is the sole creator, yet the son creates
the one God is the mighty god in isaiah 10:21 yet the son is the mighty God in Isaiah 9:6
the one God is one lord, yet the son is the one lord

Foolishness at its peak...

Please you might want to wonder why paul forgot to holy spirit in those potent verses that were rendered to show who the one GOD is........

And please go to my previous posts and see why Jesus was even to be called EL gibbor and stop fooling around.......

I have asked everyone of you if Jesus is the Father and I see you guys dancing azonto.......

benalvino: showing me that doesn't take you out of the fry pan but it took you to the fire...

if the father is the Lord and made Jesus the Lord why does it say Jesus is the Only Lord? I know the father is LORD and JESUS IS LORD BUT THERE IS ONE LORD which is Jesus and the father...

my problem you agree that the one God is the father alone but you don't want to agree that the one lord is Jesus alone... lmao... DOUBLE STANDARD

New International Version
(©2011)
"Therefore let all Israel be
assured of this: God has made this
Jesus, whom you crucified, both
Lord and Messiah."


New Living Translation (©2007)
"So let everyone in Israel know
for certain that God has made this
Jesus, whom you crucified, to be
both Lord and Messiah!"

I leave you guys with this......

You can shout your throats out to the floor.......

benalvino: then we have 2 lords!!!
abi you wan turn Trinitarian? there should be only one lord. if it is Jesus then the father is not the lord simple

Lol....

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I dey road.....

When I finish wetin I dey do we go argue so tay we die today for this thread....

benalvino: you see... then is the father a false lord?
abeg am confuse clear this out... since Jesus is the Only Lord

Shaking my head ooo......

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Even after showing you guys how Jesus even became Lord In the first place.......

I think I would have to blame the Father for elevating Jesus and appointing and annointing him.......

Na bad thing God do wey trinitarians wan yeye ??

benalvino: and One lord remains the son? Does the father stopped being lord?
Jesus is called God too...
the father is called Lord too...
before the father do you beloved word appoint
Jesus is both Lord and GOD...

Lol......the Father never stops being the LORD over Christ.......

benalvino: who is the one Lord?

Who is the one GOD which has been the bane of this whole discuss??

benalvino: lmao...

the problem is contradiction... if the father is Lord over Jesus... why does it say Jesus is the one Lord... that is the simple question... why didn't it say the father is the One lord?

Because the appointed one of God has been introduced......

And as we can see the one GOD remains the Father......

I gave an example of Jesus being called an apostle and also the disciples of Jesus being called apostles too......

Jesus been called the one Lord is for a reason......and the reason has been provided......

I can't believe that you guys are running around just to confirm the Father alone as the one GOD......

Smh!!!....

deSika: am sure you saw anonys thread. its simple

Jesus is not the father yet they are one. you call Jesus one lord yet Father is oone lord. if Jesus is a lord different from God lording us too. then you have two lords. then you are saying Jesus or the father dont know what they are saying when they both say one lord. get it ONE LORD IS ONE LORD. ME I no get two lords o. i get one lord who says "let us create" but then says "I made".

na wa so you guys have been polytheist all this while.

You are just a naughty fellow......

From 1 corinthians 8:6 who is the one GOD??.......

Let me hear it from your mouth

I have said a million times that it is the Father that is my GOD......

benalvino: is that not 2 lords then? so why does it says one lord Jesus? that is what I want you to address

Ewooooo!!!!.....

Ben I don tire for you ooo.....

I no go play ps3 with you again......



Make I quote d scripture again wey na the Father make Jesus as Lord to the church and Through whom we gain salvation??........

I don tire.......

benalvino: after this he will try to explain revelation for us... that one no way to even dodge am.

Your guy dey escape from cyrus because him knw say e go hook am.......