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To everyone in the house,

Merry Christmas, to your family and loved ones.


Ikenna



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Peugeot has dropped V6 engines, both petrol and diesel engines.

Now, Peugeot launched recently their new Inline-4, 1.6 L, 270 bhp turbo petrol engine in their newly lauched RCZ R. Yes, 1.6 litre I4 engine, producing 270 hp. And guess the car fuel consumption? 44 mpg on highway, with 270 bhp. Impressive!


Ikenna

I forgot to add. The Delphi coil pack for ES9J4S cost 7k here in Abuja. I don't know about UK, though.

Ikenna

Siena: Ikenna, I've got a 2002 Peugeot 406 V6 sedan to service first week January. Seldom get any of them to work on, all the cars I've worked on in the last year have been 4 cylinder models, and mostly diesel.

What's access to the rear bank cylinder spark plugs like? I've just performed a 105,000 mile service on a 2004 Toyota Highlander V6, and access to the plugs on the rear bank involved removing the intake manifold, and the throttle body. Not difficult, more fiddly than anything.

Replacing spark plugs on the rear bank (bank 2) of ES9J4S, V6 engine in phaes II 406, doesn't put smile on ones face while at it. The bank 1, yes, would be easy. But the Bank 2, not fun.

Removing the Intake Manifold is where the task is. Not just removing the seven 8 or 10 mm bolts locking the manifold 6 holes on the cylinder head, but getting the intake Manifold off could be a pain. The Intake Manifold seats on 2 bolts at the rear bank that support the maniflod. Accessing the 2 bolts is where the problem is. A tedious task. Also, about 5 -7 vacuum lines ( i think) are attached to the intake tube and intake manifold. Detaching those vacuum lines from the tube and manifold is very risky and difficult to get off. They do tend to gum up on those plastic pipes and would let go, when trying to unplug them. Forcing them could easily break them, especially the manifold. A lot of ES9J4S owners have suffered this. So, care should be taken. They will come off, but may take sometime, especially if they have not been removed before. Keep pulling gently to get them off.

The MAP sensor is mounted at the right side of the rear bank. It ought to be removed before pulling out the Intake manifold. But accessing the screw that hold it on Intake manifold could be difficult. Best thing to do is simply unplug it and gently lift the intake manifold, while your eyes are on the rear side of the intake manifold. Because the MAP sensor is very close to the firewall. If it hits the firewal while lifting the manifold, it could break or crack.

The factory spark plug in ES9J4S is Bosch. The Peugeot part number is RP596060. The Bosch part number is FR8SPP332. So, if the spark plugs have not been replaced since the car was new, then you will find the Bosch FR8SPP332 in them. Notwithstanding, Peugeot recommended Platinum spark plugs for ES9J4S. Not that Copper plugs cannot work in the engine, but with the stress involve in bringing out the intake manifold to replace the rear spark plugs, no one would want to put sparks that have shorter lifespan, so that he wont like to go to the rear bank anytime soon. But there should be other platinum or Irridium sparks plugs that can do the job well too, other than the recommended one.

ES9J4S has individual 6 coil packs, unlike the ES9J4 engine (V6 engine in phase I 406) that has single coil pack. The ES9J4S factory coil pack brand was Sagem. It's refurbishable and also detachable. It has a diode where the two parts meet. The diode fail often. A Digital Multimeter would tell you if the diode is the culprit or not. If the diode is the cause of the failure, replacing the diode would bring the coil back to life. Also, the point/contacts where the two sides of the coil meet do corrode sometimes, which would make the coil non functional. Most times, scrapping off the residue on the contacts will bring back life to them. Meaning, the coil pack will last the entire lifespan of the engine, as long as it's refurbished whenever it corrodes or diode fails. Unfortunately, the task involved in removing the intake manifold to access the 3 rear coil packs when any one of them fails, doesn't make it easy for owners to keep to the refurbish thing. So, nearly every ES9J4S owners have replaced their coil packs, especially the 3 at the rear bank, with Delphi brand. The Delphi brand, so far, appears to be indestructible. Am yet to see, hear or read any ES9J4S owner complained of Delphi coil pack failure in his ES9J4S. Unfortunately, if it fails (since it's man-made), it will have to be replaced, since it's not refurbishable, because its not detachable. But at least, it last more than 100,000 km. The Delphi Coil has white top, while the Sagem has black top. So, if you find the Sagem black top coil packs at the rear bank, you will need to advice the owner to use the opportunity that the intake manifold is out and replace the 3 rear coil packs to Delphi brand. He/she can use the Sagem brand on the front bank, since they will be easily accessed.



Attached pictures below may help you to understand all explained above. I took them when i replaced my ES9J4S 6 spark plugs sometime this year, 2013.




Loosing the seven 10mm bolt on the ES9J4S Intake Manifold (note the intake tube on the left)

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The Intake Manifold out

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Rear side of Intake Manifold. (Note the MAP sensor & the bolt that supports Inatke manifold i mentioned earlier).

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The ES9J4S MTB (Motorised Throttle Body) on the Intake Manifold

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The individual Delphi Coil packs. (Note the white top).

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The ES9J4S Intake Manifold underside. The Manifold seal is gummed to the 6 holes on the Intake Manifold, not on the cylinder head holes.

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Intake Manifold about to be re-mounted.

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Replacement of the ES9J4S spark plugs done. Everything back in shape.

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I hope you find the above helpful.

Ikenna

Smoothcriminal: Hi ikenna

Here Is d VIN
VF32DRFNF43374243

It's a 206cc coupe with ew10 engine

awaiting your response

Details below:




1. Vehicle: 206

2. Silhouette: Coupe Cabriolet-2 Door.

3. Warranty Start Date: 31/07/2003.

4. Driving Position: Left Hand Drive.

5. Trim Level: Cab Level B.

6. Engine: EW10 J4, 2.0 L, 16v, 138 hp.

7. Transmission: 5-speed Manual Tansmission, BVM5, BE4 S.

8. Badge: cc

9. Body Colour: Wicked Red.

10. Interior Trim type: Andorra Braid Cloth + "MK" EFKA.

11. Steering: Variable Power Steering.

12. Cylinder Block (Material): Crankcase Aluminium.

13. Fuel Type: Lead Free Petrol.

14. Fuel supply Cut-off: Fitted.

15. EOBD Self-Diagnosis System: Fitted.

16. Fan: 2 two-speed 250W Fans.

17. Throttle Body: Manual Throttle Body (Engine Air Intake).

18. Wheel (type): 16" Alloy Wheels.

19. Tryes (Size, Type): 205/45 R16 W Tyres.

20. ABS: ABS Teves MK70

21. Service Brake: Electronic Brakeforce Distribution.

22. Brake Type: Ventilated Front Disc/Rear Discs.

23. Suspension: Normal Suspension.

24. ESP (Electronic Stability Program): Not fitted.

25. Aerial: Short Front Aerial.

26. Exterior Rear view Mirrors: Electric contol.

27. Exterior Rear view Mirrors Fold-back: Manual Control.

28. Windscreen wiper: Front wiper blade with rain sensor.

29. Rear screen wiper: Not fitted.

30. Head lamp wiper: Not fitted.

31. Front Fog light: Fitted.

32. Front Headrest: Fitted.

33. Rear Headrest: Not fitted.

34. A/C: Fitted.

35. Radio Contol: Remote Control without CD Function.

36. Compact Disc Player (Rear): Not fitted.

37. Satellite Navigation System: Not fitted.

38. Front Windows control: Electric contol.

39. Rear Window control: Electric control.

40. Clock: Numeric clock.

41. Oil Gauge: Oil Temperature + Level Indicator.

42. Heated seat: Fitted.

43. Cruise Control: Not fitted.

44. Steering Wheel: Leather Steering Wheel 3 Branches.

45. Alternator: 70 Amps.

46. Special Lighting: Automatic Headlamp illumination.

47. Multiplexing: Yes.

48. Set of Keys: 1 HF Plip Key + 1 Single Main Key.

Etc.




Ikenna

[quote author=MD-CEO]I just got a registered Nissan Altima 2003 a few days ago.

To my amazement, i found that all the other 3 remaining tyres had different sizes.
The sizes are-
235-50-18
245-50-18
255-40-18.

Is there any immediate danger in driving them as they are now?[/quote]In one of the trips i have done in my Baby, i had a blowout (long story), along Enugu-Onitsha Expressway. I got to Enugu and searched for the same size of the damaged tyre (195/60 R15), since the 4 tyres were the same size, including the spare. Unfortunately, I couldnt find 195/60 in Coal Camp, rather, 195/65. Why? Because there was more demand of high profile tyres in the East, considering the nature of the roads down there. Because i would be driving back to Abuja the next day, I had to buy the 65 available, instead of 60, since i didnt have the time to go round the town in search of the size 60. I mounted the tyre that same evening. The next day, on my way back to Abuja, It was a nightmare. Every hard braking or sharp steered of the wheel, the car would try to veer off the road. It was as if it was a different car. Did i enjoy the drive? Not even for a second. . I got to Abuja and replaced it with size 60, since low profile tyres are very much available here in Abuja. Thanks to Abuja road!

Just 1 different size tyre messed up the car stability on highspeed. In my case, it was horrible. In your case, with the 3 different sizes you listed, it will be something else.

Ikenna

[quote author=MD-CEO]Abi is there any other issue with using bigger tyres than recommended, other than fuel consumption? (provided the 4 tyres are all the same size, or at least, the same size on each axle).[/quote]Aside fuel consumption, you should forget about the speedometer, because it's going to be useless. It will simply throw off the speedo. Imagine doing 80km/h, while your speedo is reading 120km/h or so. It's just like swapping in an Inline-4 Tachometer in a V6 Car. The V6 engine will simply throw off the tacho. That is, if your actual rpm at idle is 750 rpm, the I4 tacho in V6 car will be reading 1,500 rpm or even more.

Since you said the car left the show room with 205/65 R16, I wouldn't go beyond 205/60 R17 or 205/55 R17, if I were you.


Ikenna

King Money: Mr ikenna tanx 4 granting us d privilege to gain frm ur wealth of knowledge nd experience!!God bless u!!!I am a great fan nd lover of the peugeot 406 prestige but I ve been dissuaded frm buying the car by some of my frnds who ve been privilege to use a 406 at 1 tym or d oda,basically because of the cost of maintenance!!they all attest to d fact dat d car is splendid In virtually all ramification jus dat d cost of maintenance is quite high nd recommended I get a pencil or fish light or even an end of discussion because their cheaper cost of maintenance wen compared to 406!!am still seriously pondering on getin a 406 nd wil really luv ur objective input on this!!especially in comparism wit Toyota pencil light!! Tanx

Sorry, we don't compare Peugeot with other brands in the Peugeot house.

As for the issue of high cost of maintenance from your friends that have owned 406, yes, 406 is not a cheap car to run. Sometimes i wonder what people take Peugeot for. Peugeot parts are durable, not just reliable. They may be pricey, but you won't have to go to that part again for a long time. So if you were expecting me to say the parts are cheap, sorry for disappointing you. But as for your friends, they didn't deserve those 406 during their ownership. Because am yet to experience the high cost of maintenance they told you . Ask me how many things have failed in mine so far since i owned her. Most of the work or replacements i have done on the car have been preventative maintenance sake, simple. You take your car to some clowns for a simple injection issue, he played circus in your engine bay and you start having series of nightmares, one after the other. Who do you blame? Peugeot ? The poor Lion or yourself, the owner?

Now, check the link below and tell us how high cost maintenance of 406 is:

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/peugeot-forum/108629-xantia-v-406-a.html

On a final note, i park my car anywhere, without considering that i may not meet the car where i left her when i come back from wherever i went to. Worst case, i will meet the Lion vandalised, which is better than the car stolen. At least, my engine ECU remain intact, knowing that it's a bad market, since no one will buy it. Ask those that their cars have been stolen or ECU stolen, they may tell you if it was possible, they would have been parking their cars inside their rooms.

Ikenna

Smoothcriminal: Thanks for your reply.

I asked him for the info u requested. As per d vin he insist the owner of the car says he doesn't have d vin. But these r wat hehad: mileage 195,860 km, 55 kw, ABS, power window, auto transmission, engine-1360c, 4 cylinder

"he insist the owner of the car says he doesn't have d vin". What kind of crap is that? A number that is stamped all over the engine bay/under windscreen, yet the owner is claiming what exactly ? He can't or won't get it for you? Or he/she doesn't know what Peugeot VIN looks like? Is he hiding something ?

If you can't get the VIN, i would advice you forget that car.

Forget what he is telling you the car mileage is. A picture of the instrument panel while engine is running /idling will tell you the true car mileage. Also, ignore specifications your friend is telling you the car has. The VIN will tell you everything the car was made of before it left show room.

Again, if they can't send you the VIN, run for your dear life, when you still can.

But if truly the owner doesn't know what VIN is, ask your friend to tell the owner to give him the chassis number. It's a 17 digit number that starts with VF3.......


Ikenna

Smoothcriminal: @ikenna I am thinking of buying a 206 (2001 model) automatic through a friend in Spain. He showed me one for 800k. Put ur self in my shoe, what will u advice, what should I look out for, and anything worth knowing or asking before I make the buy. Tenk in anticipation

Do you have the VIN? If yes, post it here. If not, get it from your friend. So that i can check and tell you the car specifications; what and what she has and lacks.

You need to know the state of the injection system & transmission. Ask your friend to start the car and snap the instrument panel 2 minutes after engine has started running. With the engine running, the instrument panel will tell you the state of the systems, to some extent. If there is a problem in the injection system, the Check engine light will be on in the picture. If its lit, ask him to scan the car, post the faults to you, take pic of the scanner with one of the error codes on the screen, etc. The faults found will help determine if the faults are minor or major issues. A picture of the instrument panel while engine is idling will tell you also the state of the ABS and other gadgets that have warning signs in the instrument panel. It will help you to decide if they are issues you can afford to fix or live with. And dont worry, you will know if the engine was truly running/idling when picture was taken, because the tachometer is there.

As for the state of the body and interior, you will have to work with what you see in the pictures of the car your friend will send to you, since the car is far far away from you. At least, I believe Spain is LHD.

As for the transmission, I don't much to say on that.

First thing first, get the VIN and post it here.

Ikenna

This morning, I decided to do some work in my Lions. I started with my Baby.

My baby's Clutch master cylinder has been given sign of failure for a over a month. I bought the repair kit, N250, and hydraulic for the job. But i kept procrastinating, until it gave up last week. Lol! So this morning, I replaced the failed cylinder kit with the new one and bled it via the piston. Now the stick enters all gears smoothly.

As soon as I was done with my Baby's Clucth issue, i turned to my SV D9. I replaced the engine oil with TOTAL Quartz 7000, 15W50. I also replaced the oil filter with Purflux LS867B. I will be taking her for trip next week.

Ikenna

Please, Lions and Lionesses, do not allow auto mechanics and electricians to disconnect your battery terminal heads. Do it yourself, following the procedure. Because if you take for granted Peugeot instructions on how to handle their electrical systems, you may end up spending hundreds of thousands before that Lion roars again.

Not just on their electrics, but their mechanicals. They are handled differently from other car brands. For example, some car brands, especially the Japs, recommend only fuel economy oil (5W20 & 5W30 ) for their modern engines (thin oils). While Peugeot recommends thick oils (15W50) for their modern engines. Peugeot designed those modern engines of their to run well with the thick oil, 15W50. In fact, Peugeot forbids or warned against use of fuel economy oils (5W20 & 5W30 use in Japs) in two of their modern engines: EW12 & HDI 2.2 engine. Fully synthetic oils can be used on Peugeot engines, but not all.

So be careful where you seek suggestions or advice on how to run your Peugeot. Trust me, when you understand Peugeot electrical and mechanical systems, you will realise how different they are from other brands.

Ikenna

guysmilee134: Good day house. I finally got my fox back on the road. The BSI we got didn't start the car still, so we had to send the BSI, engine ECU and keys for programming. But as expected my mileage quadrupled!! I'm glad my fox is back. Thanks Ikenna for taking time out to guide me. Compliments of the season to yyou all.

Congrats!


Ikenna

@ segzyndpep,

But be careful who you give your Lion to replace the timing belt for you. Because if the belt is not well tensioned or Camshaft(s) not properly timed, the car will start hard starting, suffer Multiple/random cylinder misfiring and the belt will later slip off or something similar. That will create the some problem you were tyring to prevent.

You can try Gates or Doyco brands. There is one in the market they claim is PAN. But how truly PAN it is, I do not know. So in my case, i bought Gates, a well known Aftermarket company in UK. Doyco is good as well, if you can find one.

You can get the complete Timing belt kit your EW12 engine online, including other Peugeot engines. Find one link below:

http://www.doctorcarparts.co.uk/peugeot-407-timing-belt-kit.htm


Ikenna

segzyndpep: Hello mate.jst got 407 lion pls do I have to change timing belt? Pls I need ur advicecan the scanner tell when to change it

Congrats on your new new lion with the aggressive EW12 powertrain.

Yes, you need to replace the timing belt as soon as possible, for you may end up crying when your engine go kaput

PP2000 will not tell when to replace your timing belt. Notwithstanding, regular check of the engine ECU with PP2000 may warn you on time that something is about to happen to your timing belt. But, if you are unlucky, it will tell you when the belt is breaking.

If the belt stretch, the Camshaft will go out of position and PP2000 will warn you of that when plugged in. If your tensioner fails, the PP2000 will warn you too, but it may be too late for you to see the warning before the bomb detonates.

Any Lion you do not have the car log book; the history to know when last the previous owner replaced the timing belt, dont hesistate to replace it. How clean a car looks doesn't determine how new the timing belt is. Likewise how new the auxiliary looks, doesnt mean the timing belt is still in the same condition.

It's safer to not only replace the timing belt, but the Idler & the tensioner as well. You can also replace the water pump. But a physical check can be done on the timing belt idler and tensioner to know their condition, whether to re-use or replace. But it will be ideal to replace them all, if you can find them new and genuine.

Ikenna

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faakay: OK well said.

Everybody with individual taste

as for me if have got 2.5 - 3.5 million.

I would rather settle for a brand new toyota camry or peagueot instead of buying one mussle or jeep

2.950 -3.5 million naira will get you brand new Peugeot 301 Access, Active or Allure (both Auto and Manual Transmissions). Find it below:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLjZn5wt6xI





Ikenna

faakay: Why would someone use 3.5 million naira to buy a used car, it varies some 2 million naira and higher just because you want to use EOD or baby boy/jeep. I'm not really into car but if have got the kind of fund let's say 2.5 million.

I would rather go to a car company and settle for the one that suits the cost. Let's say picanto , kia, toyota, bmw at the range. There should be brand new cars that are sold within those ranges.

As long as its a car and it serves my purpose. I think its a good deal.

They would also be warranty from the company and 1 year service at no cost.

I believe on the long term, you will enjoy driving a new car, would save you cost and maintenance unlike the used ones.

I think most people just want to feel superior using a big car in the name of posing as a big guy/madam.

So folks can you tell us why you prefer a used car alias tokunbo than a brand new car?

Or people are not informed?

You are obviously not a car person. The bolded above confirmed what you are with cars. Because for you to put it "Car na Car", has defined you already. But there is nothing wrong with that, though

Is like asking why would the late Paul Walker own a 2005 Porsche Carrera GT. How old a car is doesnt matter to a petrolhead. What matters to him/her is the character the car posseses that put smile on his/her face whenever he/she is behind the wheel, which that your Picanto lacks.

Notwithstanding, you were right in your observation. Because about 90% of Nigerians care so much about fuel efficient cars. Majority, if not 95%, are after point A - point B mobility. So it would make a lot of sense for such individuals to buy those cheap new cars with less underpowered powertrains that will consume less, than buy those big used ones, which they would come back and start complaining how those cars are gas guzzlers. So, you have a point.

But to ask "why would someone buy a used car when the amount can afford him a new car" is offtopic, sort of. If this were a full time Car forum i would say you are in a wrong web site. But then, you are in Nairaland. So, it's understandable.

Ikenna

On my way to work this morning, at Wuse Zone 1 by Hali brothers, I saw a China blue D9 engulfed in smoke. People surrounded the car, trying to stop the fire consuming the whole car. By the time I got close, the fire was off. The bonnet was open. The smell oozing out suggested it was electrical that got burnt. When I got closer, I peeped. The smoke was coming out from the battery and the BSM (engine bay fuse box) boxes. The rest of the components in the engine bay appeared to still be in good shape, including the engine.

What I could only think of that would cause the issue are wrong connection, rodent activities in the engine bay, etc. Notwithstanding, we should be careful who we give our Lions to fix electrical issues. I observed that some that come from Japanese cars to French cars handle these Lions like the Japs. It's very wrong. Modern Peugeots have complex electrics. If you have been giving your Japanese cars to under Mango trees Auto Technicians to fix electrical issues for you before you switched to Peugeot, please don't carryover such maintenance habit. Euro cars, expecially Peugeot, is not "too cheap car to run" because of their complex electrical systems, including mechanicals as well. If you can only afford the Mango tree type Auto technicians, then please, it would be wise to switch back to Japs. A lot of people have said to me that modern Peugeot electrics don't last beyond 100k km. That once their mileage exceed 100k km, their electrics would start falling apart. But ask them where they take their Lions for repairs, you would shake your head. Mechanicals? Yes, some of those Mango tree mechanics can do a good job on that. But electricals? Is like signing the death warrant of your Lion with your very hand.

What happened to that D9 can happen to any car if there is wrong connection that is that dangerous. But a Japs won't have much to lose. Because it's obvious that the BSI, ECUs, BSM and the wiring harness in that car are gone. For that car to run again, the owner may have to buy a complete BSI kit (BSI unit, engine ECU and Key), BSM and wiring harness in the engine bay. Ask anyone who has suffered BSI issue to tell you how sweet it can be to experience such.

Whatever electrical issue your modern peugeot could have, PP2000 will direct you to the culptrit. Don't cut conners with the mango tree guys, once electrical system issue is the case with your Lion.

Ikenna

Thread is re-opened.

Please, no more derailing of thread or insults. Will be forced to hide post or ban any member who continues to derail the thread or throw insults.

Moderator

wisesystem: Great news!.... Fingers are crossed...

Got a call from the guy this evening, around 5pm. His goods arrived this evening. He confirmed to me the downstream sensor (blue connector) is among the goods that arrived. So, its now available. The price is 10k.

Anyone who is interested should contact me offline, for me to give you the guys number or direct you to his shop. Anyone who can afford it should try and get it now it's available, knowing that it may not be available when you will need it. Because, yours will surely fail, considering the quality of fuel we use in Nigeria.

Ikenna

wisesystem: Sorry, my earlier post may not have been too clear. mine s been working well too. Just having the feeling that am beginning to cut corners with my lion, but wetin man go do... The lower lamba sensor is just not available. Hope to check for it in Jos when I travel there next week.

I spoke with the guy i buy new Peugeot parts from at Area 3, Garki, about a week ago on lack of the downstream sensor issue in our markets, he said they would order for it. I called him few minutes ago and he said their goods will arrive before this coming Saturday, 21st December. So let's keep our fingers crossed.

Ikenna

wisesystem: Ok Man pls do have a great week!!!
Any success with your search for that Lower Lamba 02 sensor, the one with the blue switch head? Still not ok with the switch my mechanic made, though its not giving me ant problems in terms of fuel efficiency...

I haven't been able to find one. But I used the upstream sensor in place of downstream sensor like you suggested for someone and it worked. Modifying the upstream sensor connector to work with downstream connector on the harness side is very simply, unless your mechanic didnt do it well.

Ikenna

wisesystem: Morn Guys. Hope we all had a well swell wkend. @ IKENNA pls a quick fix, hope these total coolants are premixed, nothing is indicated on the instruction guide as to that. Thanks.

Yes, it's premixed. Don't mixed with water, otherwise it will be so diluted that it won't do it's work.

The instruction on the container says "Flush old the cooling system and refill with TOTAL coolant" or something like that. It didn't state mix with water before refilling.

I have been using this very coolant for my Lions for years now.

Good morning.

Ikenna

Am locking this thread for now until everyone cools off.

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