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KingAlabi:
What is this one saying na

What is the definition of rookie in this situation?

Is guardiola a rookie when it comes to managing big clubs ?

What first team did ole first coach?

I didn't say ole is a new coach but a rookie for a job like United

Which Kain wahala be this

What has managing a big club gotta do with it?

Did their coaching badges have different grades?

So you wrote JAMB with your brother and passed

Your brother went to a federal university & you chose a bottom tier university.

It means your brother is an experienced student and you are a rookie student?

Can you hear yourself?

KingAlabi:
Yes he is a rookie for United job, I guess pep managed Sunderland and trosmoe on his path to success?

What is the meaning of rookie in your dictionary, if you actually can understand words?

Ole is not a rookie coach. He started around the same time as Guardiola.

Pep was hired to manage Barcelona team B(reserves) in June 2007.

Ole was hired to manage Man Utd reserves in May 2008.

They have both bagged their coaching badges before 2007 although I suspect Pep wrote his exams by himself and Alex Ferguson impersonated Ole and wrote the exams for him.

There’s less than a year in experience between both managers. The only difference is Pep went on to achieve great things while Ole swims in the pool of failure.

If we are not careful, you would claim Zidane is a seasoned experienced coach while Ole is a rookie.

Leyqute:
LooL. This guy is funny. So the difference between 2nd and becoming relegation challengers is Slabhead Maguire?

Don’t rewrite history - Jose was in 6th position.

Unlike Ole that was once at 15th position this season and he never lost his job because many of you can’t distinguish between failure and progress.

Jose handed a 5 man transfer list to Woodward around March 2018. Woodward vetoed the list and proceeded to buy bargain basement players.

DeadPresidents:
Yeah? Then why did he not unleash the same magnificent setup for the next season?

Abi him lose the raw file for the setup ni?

Because the stupid Ed Woodward refused to bring in reinforcements.

Mourinho warned everyone it was going to be a disastrous season while in preseason but you people didn’t take him serious.

United deserved their misery.

Boo fücking hoo!

Lana1:
People that are still bitter because Mourinho was sacked still plenty for here.
Must really hurt seeing that he's not even doing any better at Spurs

I saw one Fraudinho stan using our defensive record of 17/18 to make a point for how great a defensive coach Fraudinho is.
Baba don forget how De Gea was superhuman that season making a record 14 saves in one game despite all the bus.

We all saw what happened the following season when we conceded more goals in 17 games than we did in 38 games from the previous season.

De Gea hasn’t left Man Utd, neither is he dead, so why hasn’t he replicated that form since 17/18?

The only time the great De Gea won the golden glove in his Man Utd career was under Jose Mourinho. De Gea was superhuman because of the way Jose Mourinho set the team up.

The amazing thing was that Jose did it with an inferior defensive unit. De Gea isn’t the only goalkeeper that has won golden glove under Jose. Petr Cech won it under him too.

KingAlabi:
I don't know why you keep comparing a rookie coach like OGS to mourinho.

Let's compare who he might fall in the same class with(Moyes).

No all this incomparable comparisons

Ole is a rookie coach?

A failure that started his managerial career around the time Pep Guardiola started is now a rookie coach?

Failure is a bad thing - it’s the same reason many of you Olesexuals think Lingard is a teenager whereas he’s older than Pogba.

KingAlabi:
EFL cup
Yoruba league
Community shield

Why will you celebrate such mediocrity for a serial winner?

EFL cup - Ole has attempted it twice and lost. Man City stood in his way on both occasions and Pep taught Ole a tactical lesson.

EFL cup(Jose) - Jose slayed Pep at Old Trafford on his way to win EFL cup under 7 months.

Europa league - Ole got to the semifinal and was disgraced out of it by Sevilla.

Europa League(Jose) - Mourinho never asked for this competition. He inherited it cos Van Gaal finished outside top 4 before Jose’s arrival.

Had Jose lost earlier in the competition, loudmouths like you would have used it to criticize him. He won the competition outrightly and you are still crying that he shouldn’t have won it.

KingAlabi:
You didn't watch our matches that season then.....that's my point

The nerve of you to say I didn’t watch United games. I saw all the games and the performance were poor because Jose wasn’t backed.

He complained throughout the preseason that the team would suffer if they don’t bring in reinforcements. The media said he moans too much and he should develop what he’s got.

Guardiola kept adding quality to his squad. Klopp brought in Van Dijk & Alisson. Jose was given Lee Grant and Dalot to close a 19 point gap.

KingAlabi:
How many points was Mourinho's team from first place at Christmas when he came second and how many points were they at the end of the season?

How’s this relevant? The season doesn’t end at Christmas. The fact of the matter is the weapon brought in to steady the ship crashed the ship.

Mourinho was 19 points behind 1st in December when he was sacked. Ole(ship steadier) was 32 points when the league ended. Ole added 13 points deficit but you continue to deceive yourself that he steadied the ship.

KingAlabi:
Can we say mourinho was a failure at Tottenham when he came in for poch, because the points from the 1st place increased at the end of the season just like OGS with United.

Only a crackhead would opine such nonsense. Poch left Tottenham at 14th position. Mourinho got them to 6th and back into Europe.

KingAlabi:
A failure is currently in second place while your success (mourinho) is languishing in 6th place, 8 points away.
If a failure can have that feet don't you think it's overachievement?

This is cognitive dissonance.

Ole inherited a team that was 6th and he ended in 6th position in his first season.

Jose inherited a team that was 14th and ended 6th in his first season.

Ole has had 25 months to finetune his team, Jose has had around a year with the microcosm of the amount Ole has spent at Man United.

Needless to say, their last head to head game ended with Jose wiping the latrine floor with Ole’a face. The ship steadier lost 1-6 at home to Jose(Mr Negative Football).

If you need any more evidence that you are comparing a quack manager to an elite manager, watch that game again.

KingAlabi:
Who converted them to defenders??
If not Mourinho them why did he fail to play them back in their respective positions?

You said that mourinho's loves older defenders with quality, and I told you Valencia, young ,Smalling, jones. Fit those criterias. Which one be lynchpin and spare tyre again

You are waffling!

I said Jose loves older defenders with quality and that simply means Lindelof and Eric couldn’t have been his signings as they were too young to lead a title charge.

Jose would be buying older & vastly experienced defenders instead of a pair of rookies that are still wet behind the ears.

KingAlabi:
When he couldn't win the likes of crystal palace and Brighton?

Ole couldn’t beat Palace, Arsenal and Sheffield United but he beat Everton. So what’s your point?

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KingAlabi:
Ole intially came in as a caretaker manager and he closed the 8 points gap with the top 4 but failed to qualify for the champions league, while entirely using mourinho's team.

He finished 32 points below the league leaders. He took the job when United were only 19 points below the league leaders.

KingAlabi:
Then in his first full season a rookie coach came third, made 3 semi finals although he bottled them.
A rookie coach from the Norwegian league!

There’s nothing like a first full season.

He had the team between December 2018 till August 2019 before the full season. That’s a whole 9 months with the team before he finished 3rd.

Don’t also forget Ole had managed the reserve team of Man Utd some years back - so he wasn’t exactly walking into a new environment but a failure is a failure, no matter where you put him.

Ole relegated Cardiff from the Premier League - that’s what he would be remembered for. He’s a failure.

KingAlabi:
But a serial winner like Mourinho could ever just take us to 2nd in the log.

What is your take on these??

A serial winner like Mourinho came to Man United and won 3 trophies under 9 months.

Lana1:
He fit be Ruudie or nyabinghi.
Na why i always dey cautious to dey engage all these new monikers under 2/3 months wey dey sabi type rubbish.

He should stop disguising and post with his real moniker first.


I see how he sidestepped this post...

They didn't sack Fraudinho when he finished 6th after they got him the best players from 3 of Europe's top 5 leagues. But they should sack someone who came in half season.

Beer parlour talk

He won 3 trophies that season and qualified for the champions league under 9 months.

That achievement alone is more than what Ole has achieved if you combine all his seasons at United together.

KingAlabi:
Ashley young made 18 appearances
Valencia made 28 appearances
Jones made 17 appearances
Smalling made 14 appearances

4 years later they were all older and fit the old men criteria for Mourinho, coupled with the experience of winning the league.

But year Mourinho couldn't do anything with them
Are your memories poured into a basket in your brain?

Ashley and Valencia were wingers under Fergie.

Why didn’t Fergie play them as defenders?

Jones & Smalling? 31 appearances between them

Rio Ferdinand alone had 28 appearances in 12/13.

There’s a difference between a lynchpin and a spare tyre.

KingAlabi:
First off we can't even compare OGS and Mourinho based on experience, never ever!!!!!!

But then in their first two seasons Mourinho spent more money than OGS.

Yet he could only enter the top 4 once

But then OGS is currently seeming like he is on course for a second successful top 4 and also still in two cup competitions, not saying he would win them though.

Mourinho was sacked because of his third season top 4 chance seemed lost, not because of your ex players complaint buhaha theorem.

Mourinho qualified for the champions league at the end of every season at United.

With 63 points still to play for, I was 100% certain he was nailed on to finish top 4. After the loss at Liverpool, the run of fixtures was ridiculously easy to close the gap on the top 4.

Ole was signed, he pretended as if he was going to nail the top 4 but the table quickly turned on him after the new year. He remained where he took the job(6th) and instead of him to close the 19 points gap between United and the league leaders, Ole increased the gap to 32 points..

However, SkySports pundits deceived you he has steadied the ship and you lapped it up.

KingAlabi:
Stop twisting and turning bro
Aren't young, Ashley, Valencia and Jones
Premiere league winners ?

If Alex Ferguson could win the premiere league with them, why can't Mourinho?

Premier League winners as lynchpins or spare tyres?

Ashley was a winger under Alex, became a fullback later.
Same as Valencia.

When were Jones and Smalling important pieces of the chess board under Alex Ferguson? Which of them has ever been nominated in the PFA team of the season?

I mean - were Rio & Vidic dead when Jones and Smalling won the league title or your memory bank has suffered an armed robbery attack?

KingAlabi:
Did van gaal, Alex Ferguson and Moyes signing go with them respectively.

Is this an excuse?

What is your point here, because I am not understanding.

Moyes finished empty handed

Van Gaal won a trophy

Mourinho won 3 trophies, qualified United for champions league KO stage throughout his stay at United. He inherited the Europa league from Van Gaal in his first season and won the competition.

Ole has done nothing.

If we go by geometric progression, Ole has failed as he should be doing better than Jose after 2 years. He’s spent close to £300m plus using some of the assets acquired under Mourinho.

So why has he failed to achieve 20% of Jose’s glory?

KingAlabi:
So why complaining about young and Valencia, Smalling and Jones?

They satisfy the age criteria but they fell short of the quality criteria.

Pepe, Carvalho, etc were grade A defenders.

KingAlabi:
But Mourinho spent:

1st season= €185m
2nd season=€198m
3rd season=€82m

OGS spent:
1st season=€226m
2nd season=€83.60m


Can we say OGS wasn't backed as Mourinho based on the 1st and 2nd season?

One would think all Mourinho signings left with him and Ole had to start a new rebuilding process.

Ole also made use of all Jose’s signings and he didn’t achieve anything concrete with them.

As we speak, Pogba(£89m), Lindelof(£30m), Bailly(£30m), Matic(£30m) are still playing for Ole. Add his own signings to this list and he should be doing better than Mourinho.

Alas, we have found out that Ole cannot even notch 70 points, let alone the 81 points Mourinho achieved with a vastly inferior squad in 17/18 season.

KingAlabi:
Again Mourinho had bailly and lindelof as CB options the year he came second.

That would be true if they were his signings in the first place. You are a football buff, can you think of any time in Mourinho’s illustrious career where he’s relied on 22 year old centre-halves to challenge for a league title?

Which one of Lucio, Carvalho, Alex, Pepe, Ramos, Walter Samuel, etc were under 23 when Jose played them? A manager who got a reputation of always playing old proven players suddenly broke character to sign a pair of rookies and you think this was his wish?

Are you a novice?

KingAlabi:
You brought up something i said you should give evidence, you brought an article where his statement doesn't reflect what you said, now you are saying I should go find it.


Can I then say, you are simply lying?

I think you should simply call yourself an ignoramus.

patrickmuf:
I weak...This your defense na die...But still, Mourinho was too defensive in his approach...

So if your starting defenders are,

Valencia(33 year old ex-winger)
Smalling
Jones
Young(33 year old ex-winger)

You would play cavalier like Liverpool and overpower teams with mediocre defenders?

The quality of players at your disposal would determine your approach towards the games. United had the weakest team in the top 6 in 17/18 and Mourinho still managed to finish above Wenger, Klopp and Conte.

No one said Jose was negative in Madrid when his team got 100 points, scoring 121 league goals in the process. He still holds the records of the highest points notched in Spain till today.

So tell me why United didn’t get him the necessary tools needed to win? Pep outspent him, Pep spent more than £200m on his defence alone to challenge for the title while Mourinho was told to work with Smalling and Jones to win the league title.

Man Utd is a joke.

KingAlabi:
You said that he said all these but dropped a picture were he only said "I believe in my management", rat bite the other part comot?

Abi na him talk the headline??

Go and find the article and read it yourself if you doubt what I said.

He said so many things but the most memorable shit he said was that he was pleased to have proven his doubters wrong.

The man is a serpent.

KingAlabi:
His statement opposes what you said you


All he said is that "I believe in my management"

Abi na him talk the headline?

He said no one predicted he would finish in the top 4 and such criticism makes him do better & that he is happy to have proven the critics wrong.

Meanwhile, he told everyone 2nd isn’t an achievement for a club like United. He said not the players, the ex players or the fans would be happy for finishing 2nd when Jose was there.

How can you not see this man is a snake?

KingAlabi:
Video, chat or statement

Or I don't believe it

Shaking my head

patrickmuf:
Chairman, I celebrated the day Mourinho was sacked...Baba insulted the club with some of his comments.

After the Sevilla game, he made some very insulting comments targeting the players and Club as a whole...That's unforgivable...

I support your call for the sack of Ole though but no just try to defend Mourinho, that man is finished...

Insulting the club or fighting for the fans?

The truth is bitter - Jose said half of the Sevilla squad would play for Man Utd and he was laughed at. Some even mocked him.

Few months later, Harry Maguire came from Leicester and captained the team. Daniel James came from Swansea(lower division) and got into the first team instantly.

Was Mourinho right or wrong? Time has told he was absolutely correct. How the richest club in Britain is parading bums like Maguire, Bissaka, James and Lindelof in their team is a travesty.

Leyqute:
Mourinho wasn’t sacked after he garnered 81 points. He was sacked when things became horrible the next season and results were bad- probably because he wasn’t backed in the TW.

Who said he was sacked after finishing 81 points?

Do you even read at all? I said he was criticized for finishing 81 points. Ole was even one of the morons that criticized him. Ole said finishing 2nd isn’t an achievement for a big club like United.

Ole finished 3rd last season and he was beating his chest on camera that he has proven all his critics wrong. The same raccoon that said 2nd wasn’t an achievement.

KingAlabi:
Oga no dey shalaye again.

Tell the ex players to sack OGS

That’s the point.

He’s one of them. He gets no criticism at all. He’s ultra-protected. There’s always an excuse for his failure.

It’s Pogba’s fault or Raiola’s fault.

Pogba’s agent shooting his mouth is why the team lost to a Turkish club.

When that fails, they blame the fans outrage on Twitter as causing disharmony at the club.

It’s everyone else’s fault apart from the PE teacher.

KingAlabi:
So the ex players sacked him then ??

Kindly tell the ex players to sack OGS, thank you

Neville
Owen
Hargreaves
Scholes
Rio
Andy Cole


Only Roy Keane stood by him and said Mourinho needed time and Woodward should have signed the players Jose wanted.

He finished 2nd albeit 19 points behind City. He asked for reinforcements and he was given Grant, Fred and Dalot.

Woodward told him to develop Jones and Smalling into becoming Baresi and Maldini.

KingAlabi:
Ole can finish in 10th as long as he wins the Yoruba league and EFL cup , abi?

Winning the Europa league qualifies you for the CL.

If you are not outrightly winning the PL, the team that finished second(without a trophy) and the one that finished 16th(with Europa league trophy) are the same.

One could even argue the one that finished 16th had a better season. They celebrated winning a trophy.

KingAlabi:
Remind me why Mourinho was sacked?

Because he was hounded out by the so called ex players who felt United should be doing better with the squad they have got.

They stupidly opined Jose should be doing better after finishing with 81 points - they concluded the negative football was the reason United didn’t win the league that season.

Ole was signed and the weapon can’t even reach 70 points with his ultra modern, progressive and ultra attacking philosophy.

KingAlabi:
Tell me was Mourinho sacked when he finished at this position ? , In his first full season

He won 3 trophies that season.

KingAlabi:
Mourinho lost to Sevilla at old Trafford after spending £100m on attack


Wooooow!!!!

Jose had credits in the bank though. He finished 2nd, won Europa, won Carling cup, won the shield.

Ole has what? �

Ole can’t even get into a final.

KingAlabi:
This one na Moyes fan boy oh

I am not a Moyes fan boy - I already said he deserved the sack.

However, keep the same energy for the PE teacher. If we agree Moyes deserved his sacking then Ole should be getting his P45 right now.

KingAlabi:
He lost in a one legged tie on a neutral ground

No excuses for him

Tell me how did Sevilla eliminate Mourinho?

You mean the ship steadier lost to the same team you mock Jose for after spending £130m on defence?

Wooooow!