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hensben:
Where is your prove to this or it’s just your theory

He probably dreamt about it.

These lots just open their mouths waaaaaaaah in public.

I think nitrogen and patrickmufu should exit this thread.

patrickmuf:
Be patient with yourself, you must receive sense as long as you dey here...

I will keep repeating it, you are a blithering idiot!

patrickmuf:
You're not just drunk but you're suffering from lack of retentive memory...

Who called the defense Ole has had to work with an improved defense? You or you?

You are a blithering idiot!

Ole has bought better players but the sum of their parts(unit) is considerably worse than their counterparts in 17/18.

AWB > Valencia
Maguire > Jones
Smalling > Maguire
Shaw > Young

However, the defensive unit of 17/18 defended better than Ole’s shiny signings even though Ole’s signings are better individually.

I am tired of the schooling supposed seasoned United fans.

Is this the best you have got?

KingAlabi:
God!!!!
Your drunk!!!!!

So how is ole's improved compared to mourinho's team ?

When did I say Ole has improved?

Are you high?

KingAlabi:
Riddle me this what team was he relegated with?

Do your research.

nitrogen:
How many goals did man utd concede the last season, how many this season?

Maguire was there last season too so you are making my point.

nitrogen:
So Stones is better than Maguire?

You are very funny!

Stones is better than Maguire.

If United sign Usain Bolt to play in their defence, he would concede fewer goals than Maguire.

If United sign you and you find a way to reduce your akpu-filled tummy, you would concede fewer goals than Maguire.

nitrogen:
Wait! Do you know what it means for a business to owe its owners? It means, it's a shareholder loan that will definitely be repaid. So you think that Abram won't recoup his money through debt repayments and stuffs which will eventually go to the banks?

You are Jon Snow!

It’s too late for you to recover from your brain farts.

Chelsea are debt free to the banks.

Glazers are indebted to the banks.

KingAlabi:
But Robertson that was relegated is a player bought to win the league


2daful!!!!

Maguire relegated 4 times

patrickmuf:
Yet he is a mainstay in an improved defense Ole has at his disposal with which you expect him to win trophies with...

Brilliant, very brilliant of you...

Improved defence?

You look at United’s defence and see improvement as a unit?

How many goals did United concede in 17/18 season?

How many goals have they conceded this season with Maguire in the defence?

Are you people drunk or what?

nitrogen:
So Stones is better than Maguire?

Maguire is the poorest centre half in the league.

He’s been relegated 4 times.

You want me to rate that?

Some of you here are hopeless.

nitrogen:
Lol, that's the narrative for gullible people like you. Abra has used financial experts to structure and restructure the capital structure of the whole Chelsea empire, so people like you will stop stressing him. Fact is, Abra owes the banks, Chelsea owes Abra, and Chelsea indirectly owes the banks.

A business owes its owners

Stop confusing yourself.

KingAlabi:
How is Maguire mediocre ??

An England national team captain

How do you reason bro

Harry Kane died and Maguire became captain?

Oh dear!

patrickmuf:
You're nothing but a clown...What exactly is in the trash you aimed to prove with the comparison?

Stones starts for City...

Stones is Ake now?

Lord, you are unbelievable.

nitrogen:
Haha, you wanna try me in Finance and deal structuring, better dont go there.

Do you know that as per the terms of the 1.1 billion loan, Abramovich can actually call it in at any time with an 18-month notice (i.e. Chelsea would have 18 months to repay it). The holding company of Chelsea owes the banks, and Chelsea as a subsidiary owes Fordstam - the holding company.

Abramovich owes himself 1 billion.


Chelsea are debt free.

Chew on that before you open your mouth in public on a subject you have zero knowledge about.

nitrogen:
Chelsea is an entity. Chelsea indirectly owes the banks that gave Abra the loan. What you don't know is that Chelsea assets were used as collaterals for the loan.

Anyway, now you agree that Chelsea owes its owner 1.1 billion, right? I thought you said they don't have any debt in their books?

You have played yourself, stop typing.

KingAlabi:
Oga pick your fight

Against the glazers
Or against ole

Stop confusing your sef

Abi na your deep hatred for ole wan make you include am by force

My war is against both entities.

Your owners are shit
Your manager is scum.

patrickmuf:
But when you were on about the number of players City have signed you didn't remember that not all are world class abi?

The more you write, the more you shoot yourself except that you have refused to die...If only it wasn't literal, we'd be safe from reading a whole lot of contradictions...#Contrad Moore

And how many games has Ake played for City?

I think some of you don’t engage your brain gear before typing.

When City buy mediocre players, they sit on the bench.
When United buy mediocre players, they start all their games.

Evidence?

nitrogen:
Chelsea is an entity. Chelsea indirectly owes the banks that gave Abra the loan. What you don't know is that Chelsea assets were used as collaterals for the loan.

Anyway, now you agree that Chelsea owes its owner 1.1 billion, right? I thought you said they don't have any debt in their books?

Chelsea do not owe the banks, Chelsea owe Abramovich.

I knew you would brain fart as soon as I prod you further.

nitrogen:
How come Chelsea is owing 1.1 billion, check their books now. It's there oga! FYI, Chelsea spent 935m Euros on transfers since 2013, that's less than what Utd spent in the same period.

Who is Chelsea owing?

nitrogen:
Lol, Snachez that Guardiola and City wanted to sign? The wages put City off, but they recognised the fact that he was one of the best in the league at that time.

Guardiola wanted to sign Fred too o, shey you remember?

Guardiola and City signed Nathan Ake, he must be world class.

nitrogen:
Lol, tell me why Chelsea has over 1.1 billion debt in its books. Greek gift from Abra? Also, can you tell me if Utd has not spent up to 1 billion pounds in the club since 2008?

Why do you have problems with how much they take out? What matters is how much they've invested in the team, and the world can actually see that they have spent over 1 billion in the last 10 years, except you, a confused fan.

Chelsea owe Abramovic. The business owes its owner.

The Glazers owe the banks.

I can totally understand why this is complex to you.

nitrogen:
If an owner pumps money into a club, then it should be equity not debt, what’s the point of putting in debt and making the club owes a lot of money to the owners and pay high interests (above market rate). Check the article below, Chelsea is owning one of Abramovichs companies over 1 billion pounds. Money borrowed by Abra and on-lent to the club.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chelsea-wages-up-to-244m-as-chelsea-s-debt-to-abramovich-grows-to-1-13bn-v365wf8zb

You have zero knowledge of what you are talking about.

https://www.ft.com/content/5bf8da7c-f574-11de-90ab-00144feab49a


I said Chelsea’s owner cleared their debt and you are saying he puts them in more debt. Are you inebriated or what has gotten into you?

You want to debate football finance with your morgue temperature IQ?

nitrogen:
Infact, the table below highlights debts owed by Epl clubs as of November 2020. If you don’t know something, just ask!

Roman owns Chelsea. He made them debt free while your owners at Old Trafford are piling more debt. £800 debt since 2005 still stands at £500m debt while spending more than £1 billion to service the debt.

Those are good owners according to you?

nitrogen:
Again, back to the point, City and Utd have spent almost the same amount in the last 10 years, but then City has been better because they snapped up a very good manager. Your argument that City spent more on quality players is BS, players signed by City were average performers, in fact at some point under Mou, Utd bought players of the year in the Serie A, Bundesliga etc.

Your morgue temperature IQ is getting in the way of logical reasoning.

I asked you to debate how much the clubs have spent per season under their respective owners.

United from 2005, City from 2008.
Cutting it down to the last 10 years already tells me you are a fraud trying to paint a narrative that is false to suit your agenda.

Jodera:
For your info, I'm not comparing striker for striker. It's just forward line comparisons.

Sanchez was still a great pl star when man u signed him. It doesn't change the fact he was a bargain buy then.

Like shaw was promising when he was at Southampton. He was more promising than Robertson at same age. And Shaw was class before his injury. If you've forgotten, I've not.

Shaw was bought for the full back position. He got a serious injury that's why man u reverted back to 33yr olds. Dalot was also bought for the full back role.

Also, why will man u buy an out and out winger, wen Rashford and martial was Manning that role those years. Also, someone will think a certain DI MARIA and DEPAY wasn't signed post saf. Lol

Don’t rewrite history.

Sanchez had seen better days by the time he joined Man Utd. The same Sanchez is at Inter now under Conte. I am sure he’s won 2 golden boots there since he moved to Italy.

Luke Shaw is shit. I can never rate a player that has 8 appearances for England at the age of 25.

How many England caps did Rooney have at 25? They both joined United in their teens.

Rashford/Martial are wingers or pretending to be wingers?

patrickmuf:
In your argument against Ole, you refused to entertain other factors that might have affected his performance and tonight, just before ai brought Ole up, you argued as if it was all down to the Glazers and now, in a bid to find soft landing you want me to accept the both parties are at fault?

Go and apologize to Alabi and afterwards, Nitroge.n...

It’s like you have wax in your ears.

With a defence unit of Valencia, Smalling, Jones, Young, Jose won 3 trophies - under the same owners.

With a much improved defence unit of Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof and Shaw, Ole can’t even win a semifinal tie and you are opining Ole isn’t at fault?

Get a drug test done immediately, someone close to you is doping your water or food.

patrickmuf:
You have taken two extreme positions such that there's no meeting point...

Even if the Glazers sign the right players, there’s no guarantee Ole would win with them.

However, the problem is already compounded with the fact that the Glazers don’t sign the right players.

You want to win the league with a left back that has 10 assists in 7 seasons when Trent of Liverpool had 13 assists in one season.

SMH!

patrickmuf:
He should be consistent, you can't blame Ole and at the same time blame the Glazers...If the Glazers have not signed players good enough to win the league, why blame Ole when he fails to win the leahue?

This is embarrassing.

So two things can’t be wrong at the same time. It has to be one or the other?

Father Lord, who are these people?

Jodera:
As in... First time I'm hearing that.

A team that signed

Lukaku(had higher prospect than mane)
Shaw (had higher prospect than Robertson)
Pogba(had higher prospect than wijnaldum)
Sanchez (had higher prospect than salah)
Mkhi(had higher prospect than fabinho)

This whole list is embarrassing.

So Mane is a striker now?

Shaw has no prospect. He was 18 when United signed him from Southampton. He had injury and he’s been riding on the sympathy wave ever since.

Pogba is world class - United provided no support for him. They want him to play AM, CM, DM all on his own without water carriers for him.

Sanchez was 30 when United signed him. We might as well say Rio Ferdinand of today has a higher prospect than Van Dijk.

Jodera:
Only van dijk to Maguire will I even say Liverpool had higher prospect there.

Alisson is better than De Gea.

You have also conveniently forgotten that for many seasons, ex-wingers aged 33 were United’s fullbacks cos guess what, Woodward wouldn’t sign proper fullbacks to play there.

Nani left in 2014 and United haven’t signed an out and out right winger ever since. We are in 2021.

Of course, the Glazers have been fantastic.

Jodera:
That man u own didn't work out (due to poor or wrong managers) doesn't mean una no sign better players wey fit suppose carry league

It never worked because of bargain basement players in key positions.

Luke Shaw has 10 PL assists in 7 seasons(under 4 different managers) and it’s because of poor or wrong managers?

Are you auditioning for the role of a clown?

nitrogen:
Lol, you want the Glazers to have spent additional 900m on top over 1 billion spent in the last 7-8 years on players? Why are you like this now? do you think that money grows on trees? Also, you said that they did not put money in the club, what about the debt they used to buy the club and the one for operating activities. Wait sef, you think people buy clubs so they can put money in it so fans can be happy, while they the owners will have negative returns? Geez!

Discuss Man City.

Their owners have put £1 billion into the club since 2008, the Glazers have removed double of that from United.

Remember Roman Abramovic too? Remember how he paid all Chelsea’s debt and put his money to good use by winning the league twice in a row?

Those are owners - unlike the parasites in your club.

nitrogen:
Many clubs are in huge debts because of transfers not even up to 30 percent of total revenues. Check Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea and even Juventus. These clubs have more debt than Utd and they don’t even spend.

Of course, they don’t spend. Neymar and Countinho were free transfers for Barca. Florentino Perez kidnapped Bale and James Rodriguez without paying a penny.

nitrogen:
Real Madrid have spent just 19 percent of total revenues in the last 8 years on transfers, this is significantly lower than Utd’s spend (relatively).

There is no relationship here between not winning the league in 8 years and not spending, because we have spent more than enough.

Start from 2005(the year the Glazers bought United).

Stop posting fraudulent stats to suit your false narrative.

nitrogen:
Meanwhile, Chelsea, Liverpool and LCFC have won the league in the last 10 years, have they spent more than man utd in the same time?

Answer all my questions o!

Liverpool and Leicester are anomalies.

Liverpool gave Klopp 5 years to build and rebuild without any hint he could be sacked.

Klopp finished 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st. Even Moyes would achieve this if given that much time to do it his way without the useless Woodward poking his nose.

Leicester were 500/1 to win the league in 2015/16.

Chelsea win titles because they don’t give excuses. There’s a reason they are the most successful team in England since 2005. They have hired 16 managers in that period.

Abramovic would have sacked Ole by now. He spends money and he demands instant success.

Roman is a hero!

patrickmuf:
In other words, with a world class manager, we can win the league...

The question is; if we win the leahue with a world class manager and the same set of players, doesn't it mean the Glazers signed players to win the league?

A world class manager can punch above his weight and win the league - of course, there’s a possibility of that. It doesn’t necessarily mean the Glazers have bought players capable of overpowering their rivals.

Jodera:
The point is see is just the difference in managers.

City moved from Hughes to Pep

Man u moved from Saf to Solskjaer.

Simple.

Most of the guardiola buys aren't even regulars in his first 2-3 seasons, it's mostly Hughes and Mancini buys. And why they're not present now is because of old age. Else, they for still dey bench all Pep's buys join

They were achieving before Pep.

Pellegrini won a league title in his debut season and was a goal away from getting to Champions League final.

Pep won nothing on his debut and he’s yet to play in a semifinal tie in Europe.

Mancini won the league title
Pellegrini won the league title.

Pep winning it is tradition.

patrickmuf:
You said your expectation of Ole is a top 4 finish and zero trophies and thus far, he hasn't failed to deliver, so how is he a shit manager?

He’s a shit manager because his predecessors achieved more with a shittier squad than Ole’s.

Under 2 years, Van Gaal won FA cup
Under 9 months, Jose won EFL cup & Europa

After 2 years, Ole can’t get past a semifinal with a much better squad.

And you have the nerve to ask how he’s a shit manager?