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larrybee2017:
You be real mumu, what sense does his post make Biko. I'm sure the nurses on duty miss your bed, that's why your drugs were not administer like freeze.

Yada yada yada.

It is typical for people who have nothing reasonable to refute a different perspective to resort to ad hominem statements aimed at insulting the other party.

If you cannot see a point in a post, you could sit back and stare at your phone long enough for some divine ministration or follow the thread long enough to learn instead of spewing subpar verbal diahorrea.

Zuorom:
It was inordinate love for enlightenment that made man eat the forbidden fruit. While seeking enlightenment, you must first ensure that the source of the light you crave is not evil. The devil himself is a master at masquerading as an angel of light

You lost me when you started referring to a fictional story as if it is a historical fact.

Knowledge is different from belief.

Zuorom:
You're an illuminatus, you're anti Christian

Not that you would know this, but I am anti-ignorance, a lover of enlightenment.

Big difference.

eyinjuege:
What caught my interest in this thread was the mention of Serena Williams. I felt it was unfair to just assume the problems she faced post partum/delivery was because of her JW beliefs, when it clearly wasn't and had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's unfair to write off someone else's struggles particularly with their health, and just generalise that yes it's because she's JW.
She's rich, has access to the best health care so things could only go wrong because she is JW- very faulty assumptions. Like I explained earlier, her struggles had nothing to do with her beliefs, and giving her blood transfusion would have done nothing, as she didn't need one. It probably would have worsened her case.
I felt it was unfair on her especially when the narrative wasn't like that
When it comes to people's life choices, it's theirs. When it comes to people's beliefs, it's also theirs. You may not agree with them, but provided they are not hurting anyone else then let them own it.
We can't always make the right decisions every time. These people don't believe in receiving other people's blood, so what are the other practical options available for them?
I believe the science of medicine is moving away from the Dr says it's this approach. It's now moving towards patient centered approach where their choices are not toyed with.
Whether right or wrong, what of their quality of life? Can a JW person live with themselves after being coerced into taking someone else's blood? So there's a mental health approach to it again. It's their beliefs.
Can you make them not believe that again? Possibly, but definitely not by putting down their beliefs or by lying on one of their members just to prove a point!

Admittedly, @Seun may have been wrong as regards to the premise and what caused Ms. Williams' complications but the basic question is not entirely hinged on her so it is still valid.

I admire your liberal stance on the matter, maintaining that people can choose the kind of treatment they want but I am curious as to if this position extends to other spheres of life such as sexual orientation and euthanasia.

eyinjuege:
You indeed have a right to question yourself on other people's choices. But definitely have no right to question them about their choices.
You simply don't have that power.
As per academic purposes, it would be interesting if you could do a proper research and proper study to find out how many deaths in hospitals due to bleeding out were JW. Of the JW amongst them, how many refused transfusion. That would be really interesting.
You can choose a popular hospital with lots of patients like Island maternity in Lagos. They treat only women, and take a lot of deliveries/cs. You can start from there.
Like I said earlier, provided its not a child, or someone without mental capacity, they can choose to refuse a medical treatment.
Some people don't believe in science, they don't believe in the whiteman's medicine and would rather stick to their local roots and herbs. It's their choice.
Some people feel they should be euthanized because of their dementia, and would rather die than not have their memories again. Their choice, if they're not breaking any law.
I may not agree with it, but don't ever put down the power of choice or the freewill of others because you think you're doing good.
Some JW would rather choose death than blood transfusion. Some non-JW would rather choose death than multiple sclerosis or dementia and can also refuse medical treatment that can help them.
You may not understand their decisions, but it is still theirs.

It is important that our choices be criticized. Its on that basis that we speculate whether the way we were treated by a particular person was right or wrong, whether someone is making a good decision and certainly whether someone has committed a crime. Questioning ones choice is not the same thing as imposing our own choice or agenda.

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eyinjuege:
Please, stop misinforming people. Try and find out a bit of details before you pass any information to people
Serena never needed blood transfusion, and her medical complications had nothing to do with blood transfusion.
It's open knowledge that Serena has always suffered from blood clots. Some people have that condition, and are at risk of having clots formed in their vessels which can block major veins in the legs, which can be easily dislodged and go staright to one of the biggest vessels in the lungs, and depending on the major vein blocked, can lead to instant death atimes.
She never at any point needed to be transfused.
She is on blood thinners, for life as it is.
Sickness or diseases don't care if you're rich/poor, or black/white, JW/atheist.
Serena's problems after pregnancy had nothing to do with her JW beliefs. No correlation at all.
She has had blood clots in her lungs in the past, she had a caesarean (major operation) which equally puts her at risk of same clots, she was also pregnant ( a hypercoagulable state) and another strong risk factor for clots.
She had a lot of risk factors for developing clots and these all have nothing to do with her beliefs.
Her wound also broke down, and she had to be taken back into theatre to restitch it.
Again, nothing to do with blood transfusion, but a documented complication of surgery which does happen to a lot of women post C sec worldwide in both developed and undeveloped countries
Should she have been offered transfusion if she didn't need it?
I'm not a JW, I don't believe in their doctrine but I understand the power of choice. If they chose to die for their beliefs, good for them, provided they are not children or mentally incapacitated. It's their choice to take a medical treatment or to refuse it.
I know people who have refused chemotherapy for their cancers. It's their choice.
Drs don't rush to tranfuse unless you absolutely need it.

Of course, they have the right to make that choice. And I have the right to speculate and question the reason for that choice (for academic purposes, maybe. :-P

OneJ:
Because u wanna make your point, u resorted to twist "abstain from blood" when U already know that God's edict prohibited u from putting any kind of blood into your body. Oma shey ooo !

The thing dey for market na, go buy am & transfuse na, its guarantees longevity.
Lols.

'Abstain from sin' means that you should not put any kind of sin into your body, right?

And whilst we are at it, lets take the parts of the Bible that said that we should not wear clothing made from two different materials, not eat the fruit of a young tree and kill our disobedient children more seriously. (Wait, did you even know about these?)

The Bible has so many dos and don'ts that if taken literally, it would be impossible to live in this year of our Lord 2018. Why pick some and leave some?

Adopting any religious practice that is contrary to logic and (uncommon) common sense is questionable, moreso when it affects the lives of others and yourself.

OneJ:
"Abstain from blood" na Arabic language wey una no fit understand wetin eee mean?

Blood is sacred , whether human or animal, God no dey joke with. am.

Don't come here to lie that "abstain from blood" does not mean U can not accept blood transfusion.


If your personal physician warned U to abstain from nicotine, & U went behind his back to use needle to inject yourself with that same substance into your body, have U obeyed or disobeyed your physician ?

Don't come here to distort Jesus ransom sacrifice for man's salvation.

Did Jesus give U his blood to transfuse into your body?

Jesus said "if anyone wants to come after me,let him disown himself..." Mark 8:34-37.
That is life of obedience & self sacrifice.

JWs are exclusively dedicated to do Jehovah's will in imitation of Jesus Christ who obeyed his Father, Jehovah in everything. We live for Jehovah & his son Jesus Christ .Rom14:7-9.

Jehovah values obedience (1 Sam 15:22,23) & faith in his word /promises. JWs have faith in Jesus words & God's promises This life is not all there is. Our faith is anchored firmly on the resurrection hope.
1 Pet 1:3. John 11:23-25. Rev 21:3-5. 2Pet 3:13.

If some one puts a gun to your head to renounce your faith/beliefs, your life is at stake, would U chicken out & take the easy option?

Jesus did not chicken out, that is why today we celebrate him,likewise Abraham. Their faith stood out.

If U don't have the faith in God's word to "abstain from blood" & his promises, to bring the dead back. to life, U have no right to be unduly critical of those who do.

Jehovah is the source of life, he has the sole right to determine how man should treat blood
Man can not know what God knows on this matter.

Them go dey talk like say blood transfusion na holy grail of medical treatment.

I was at a major hospital recently when 3 children were rushed into the. A& E, all of them received blood transfusion everyday, but sadly on the 4th day of their admission, they all passed away.
If them be JW,just imagine the news story headlines....

JWs are forever committed to the best Medicare available except..... what U already know, no blood transfusion. Pls visit www.Jw.org, to learn more about JWs.
Shalom.

The argument is not that blood transfusion is Goko Cleanser, the definite treatment. The argument is that blood transfusion is an important medical procedure that ordinarily improves one's chances of survival. Its a bonus point and not a home run.

Religious people have to pick a rule of interpretation and stick with it. They argue that some parts of the Bible are figurative whilst other parts are to be taken literally regardless of the context. Its either the Bible is always true in its ordinary sense or it is not. The cherry picking is exhausting.

alBHAGDADI:
Acts 15:20

But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and
from blood.

Jehovah's witnesses are refusing blood transfusion simply because of the verses above. It's funny because the verse doesn't say anything about blood transfusion, it just says abstain from blood.

If JW say we should abstain from blood transfusion because of the verse, then how come they don't also say people should not even touch blood of animals they slaughter?

Women should abstain from their menstrual discharge, and healthcare providers who invariably come in contact with blood daily are hell bound. Lol.

Afam4eva:
The same question should be directed at all Christian and religious denominations. it seems to me that some of us who see ourselves as liberal Christians are not aware that to someone else, specifically atheist that we're just as delusional. So, i don't know what right we have to questions someone else's religious belief.

It is a religious belief and doesn't have to make sense to people who are not of the same belief. They have their reasons for doing what they do no matter how ludicrous it may sound.

Freedom of religion does not mean freedom from criticism of religion. Religion like any other kind of opinion and belief is open to be criticized at any point. The whole 'People can believe what they want to and we should not question them' tirade is pretty weak.

For some schools, this is very wrong and they might Ruth's ate you if found out. Some schools however, do not mind. It is best that you contact your school's admissions office and make indirect enquiries as to this.

I seriously doubt the veracity of this message, the dubious site carrying the news not helping matters. I don't live in Lagos, but I've been there enough to know that this incident is highly unlikely and improbable.

I do hope that this post wasn't made with hopes of fanning emotions as to religion...

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Did you get the past question?

Why do we still feel the need to do this nonsense that belongs in the past century? If someone steals, call the police and have them tried not jungle Just'ice.

The fact that you are using Old Testament scripture to validate your point is just illustrative of where this thinking belongs. You don't need physical corporal punishment to raise children these days. These things have side effects and should be avoided. If you raise your child to listen to instruction and have discuss showing why they shouldn't do which and do the other, you would find corporal punishments needless.