₦airaland Forum

dollyjoy:
Na wa o, I hope non-virgins are not stigmatize in that community. Thank goodness I am not from such place. Haiiiiiiiiiin

*Clears throat*. Thank God for you too my sister

martineverest:
brother fedinand,there is o.....we do worship God in our various churches,but spending millions to worship him while others are languishing in poverty is barbaric

But when you are paying money to see Davido and Yemi Alade, you don't complain that the money used cam feed thr poor? Lubbish

sukkottt:
lol its all on video. the video is somewhere floating around the cyber-world when he was soliciting money from igbos in america for weaponry. and the guy who planted his satellite on govt mast was caught and is in jail. all these are verifiable


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XU2JtlUF6M

Saw the whole video and the last guy who spoke made the most sense. Thats what these igbos won't understand.

Houseofglam7:
I'm sure light no dey for her village

Did you even read the article? Smh

Babzilla:
Thats what christianity has been reduced to.
Entertainment.. dress your best and go listen to feel good sermons by entertainers SMH

You call that entertainment? A girl has a passion and she's given a platform. How many two year olds cam stand in front of a crowd like that without wailing for their mums? This is way better than a mum teaching her young daughter how to twerk like one video that went viral few months back. This should be encouraged and not condemned.

beautiful232:
the way some nairaland boys talk bout men of GOD ehh


their judgement still the do press up

Largas:
My brother. I have thought about Nigeria too but all I give myself at the end is headache.

I'm a fulfilled man, I've no family but I live a happy life & enjoy my tough earned wealth. Sometimes I feel I should tip into Politics and make a difference, yes a positive one.

I do not know if it is a ploy to stop SE from becoming an indegenous manufacturing hub.
Look at the way series of FGs have supported Dangote and Adenuga, one wonders what's left of Innoson and Ibeto?

Well, I'm not wailing. It is my believe that in every year, our demcratic wisdom matures and the electorates become wiser in electing acceptable Politicians. We have to believe it'll get better, because once that HOPE is dead, then there's nothing left to live for..

Just graduated from the university, so I still have a long way to go. As for going into politics? Yes u can but one man can't make a change. The other corrupt ones will over crowd you and before you know it, you are acting like them. One thing I am sure of is that APC and PDP are not the solutions to our problems. We need more minds like you to form a new party and block all these party prostitutes from decamping and spoiling it . Maybe you can come up with this initiative

Largas:
The main reason why Refineries haven't worked after OBJ and GEJ invested too much in the sector is because of corruption.

Diezanni Madueke never loot finish na to supervise revamping of Refineries?
If Buhari is truly incorruptible and the real Minister for Petroleum he should overhaul our Refineries and get them working. You'll create jobs, export refined oil meaning MORE FOREX. Fuel price reduces to #60 and so many other goodies attached.

You have another point about Agriculture and Manufacturing, but Innoson that COUPLES/Manufactures vehicles locally in Nigeria, what support has he gotten from the FG?

Many civilized nations would have given him more favourable Auto-Policies, Loans, Incentives and in few months, Nigeria will become Vehicle exporting Country. Small African Nations like CHAD, Niger, etc will be our Consumer countries.

But Bubu has poor economic team, or he doesn't listen to the available ones.

It all boils down to one thing. Corruption. My brother, if we start to analyse our problem, we will not even leave here In the next 10 years. Sometimes my head hurts when I think too much about Nigeria. And I honestly don't know why we aren't paying more attention to Innoson. It's still a mystery to me. Maybe there is something we don't know?

ehissi:
Yeeeeeeeeeh!!

Where did you get the idea that the money is for infrastructure??

And why is the loan request higher than the National budget?? Or does it make sense for the President to be seeking expenses/expenditure outside budgetary provisions??

Isn't it proper for an appropriation to be sought first before seeking this loan; assuming it is true that the funds will be used for infrastructure - according to you Oooh

According to an official statement made by the current administration recently which I spotted here on Nairaland, the budget implementation is at 79%.

79% of 6.07trillion leaves a balance of #1.274trillion. So from your statement, we can imply that the government wants to increase the 2016 budget by over #7.785trillion using the instrument of debt.

For a country that is going through a recession does this not count as a waste

At we speak, rumour has it that the 2017 budget - in draft form - is even higher than the 2016 budget by over #1.1trillion. If we have to borrow to fund 2016 budget, what will we do when we seek to fund 2017 budget??

Borrow another $29.9billion to fund 2017 budget??

This was how aregbesola was doing when he started with Osun state, now he can't afford to pay salaries. Even his bail out plan needs a bail out plan.

Let's not deceive ourselves here, this government has no idea what it is doing because it doesn't have experienced hands in the proper place.

As I speak with you, even as we are right now, salaries for federal workers are not regular all-round.

My in-laws both in Federal Medical Centre abuja and bida who are medical personnel have been told, "when you see salary at the end of the month thank God, when you don't see salary thank God.". And we haven't borrowed $29.9billion yet.

If they now borrow nko, how will dey now pay back.

The US you are quoting, have you seen the debt profile of US??

It was the stubborness of US congress to refuse to raise the debt borrowing limit that put Obama in a meeting at white house on duty through out 31st night into the new year a few years ago.

The debt profile of US as at 2011 was over $18trillion and congress raised the debt borrowing ceiling to $24trillion at a time; I know by now, they would have exhausted that limit by now.

As at 2001 the debt obligation the US had at the UN alone was $2trillion.

We can't afford to be like them please Oooh!!

Even if we have all the infrastructure of malaysia, singapore, us and china, it will not be sufficient an investment to generate income to pay off such debt that Buhari is looking to borrow.

It's one thing to bash a plan. It's another to give an alternative. You clearly have a point. I am just talking from my lil knowledge of economics, stating what this borrowing can help us achieve if PROPERLY managed. You clearly know the in and out workings of the Nigerian government. So tell me, if you were in the president's shoes, what will you do differently

Largas:
If the Loan was being used to revamp our dead Oil Refineries so as to kill our Importation of Oil which is Nigeria's highest FOREX consumer then we'd see a gain of the Naira against the Dollar.

We spend Trillions importing refined Oil, everything, toothpics, even GRASSES, but you can revamp the refineries and kill the importation of Oil. This will also lead to fall of Fuel Price, taking it as low as N60/L. And life will start getting normal.

Of all the things the Loan will be used for, only the Mambilla Power Plant is that crucial, all these railtracks are stuffs you build when the Economy is stable, not in a time of recession and hardship.

Who go use the trains when en never see rice chop as it costs 25k a bag??

Abegi.

Good point. We are all here to learn and I can understand where you are coming from. But rail tracks is something we actually need to aid transportation which is important for production. But let's forget that. Government spending actually stimulates the economy which is what we need now. You want to end the recession? We need to spend. But spend in the right sectors that will actually aid production. This is where I agree with you. Rail tracks will help, but that is not the priority now. Now talking about oil, we are actually looking for how to move away from oil to other sectors. Fixing refineries will help, but we have been talking about that for years now and nothing has been done! We need to improve on agriculture and manufacturing. That will earn us more foreign exchange and we need infrastructure in these sectors.

repogirl:
I totally agree with you o, I agree a hundred percent but the problem here is I don't trust Buharis govt to carry out this plan effectively. You compare us to the US but our country is very different from the US. US has brains and strategists planning their economy while Buhari has nepotists and cabals destroying ours.

Imagine appointing someone like Udo udoma in charge of our budget and the man doesn't even know what Nigeria owes at present.....how did he then plan the budget without factoring in that analysis.

I just dont trust Buharis people, even his finance minister hasn't come out with any concrete plans or a roadmap to revitalising the economy. These are the things the IMF is asking for before they can think of approving the loans.

Even if they manage to come up with a workable blue print, I doubt Buhari and his people will be able to implement it successfully because so far, the only thing Buhari has done is to push us into recession less than two years in office.

Don't you ever insult the finance minister. I love that woman, if not for anything but cuz she's cute and speaks well. Lol. Seriously though, you are right. The problem is implementation and I don't think the president has the right people around him. But instead of throwing out the whole plan, the senate should ask for more transparency in the implementation. Because whether you like it or not, we need that loan.

eduj:
we can mostly spend our way out of a recession if that capital would find its way into our economy. most of those projects would be carried out by expatriates (engineers and technicians) so, over 70% of that fund would find its way outside Nigeria. most of those projects are long term and would have no immediate impact on our economy. if Mr presido truly wants to help Nigerians, he should expediently reduce the salary and allowance of the executive while increasing minimum wage to around 45000 after all, their dithering in setting up an economic blueprint and their arbitrary increase in tax helped put us in this quagmire.

You are mostly correct. But you are getting something wrong. They are long term projects, yes. But they still have short term effects. For instance, these foreigners employ Nigerians in their companies and so this increases income which in turn stimulates demand. But you are right! Some of the funds will go out of the country. But us there any other way

Largas:
Sharap. Repogirl don't mind her. Stop comparing US with Nigeria. The are an exporting nation while Nigeria is a consumer nation. How do we repay the debt when Oil is hitting bedrock and we import everything even toothpicks and EVEN OIL(refined)?

So don't compare us with them. China, Japan, US can handle huge debt because of their booming economy. We can't. Stop selling our unborn generatipon to slavery OGA.

Buhari should resign.

This is why I don't argue with Buhari haters. I just gave my opinion and the next thing u say is "sharap". Calm down, forget hate and reason. How did U.S and China become exporting countries? Infrastructure. That is what the fund is for. How can we start exporting without proper funding in the right sectors?? The idea is a good one, the only problem is implementation, that's why this government needs to be more transparent.

thedarkside:
you have a point..but i disagree with you..

i rather live off of what i have in my pocket,suffer and work harder than end up like libya,irak,syria,sudan or venezuela...

Borrowing is never the problem. The problem is efficiently utilising the funds borrowed. This is where transparency comes to play. And it's not just about you, it is about the collective gain. You have food on a table, you even have data in your phone, there are people that cannot even afford a plate of food. It all boils down to transparency though. The president should me more transparent on where this money is going into.

repogirl:
They want to borrow money that will forever put us in massive debt with no results that will show for it.

This FG that met a bustling economy and ran it aground now want to borrow and finally bury the country into the ground. The senate did well by curbing it.

How do you know there will nothing to show for it? What do you do when there is deficiency of demand (which is causing the recession)? You pump in money into the economy and it's always better to pump it into capital projects which is what the loan is for. As long as the loan is used properly, we are in good stead. The US is owing trillions of dollars and they have the most powerful economy in the world. You and I will suffer the brunt of the senate's decision not Buhari.

krendo:
Now that's victory for democracy!

That's how separation of power should work

There should be checks and balances

What Nigeria needs is not more borrowing, what we need is a cut in the cost of government!

I wish the same senate who threw out the proposal will even consider cutting their wages and bonuses?

dollyjoy:
Beautiful

Let's do ours Na

BodyKiss:
Yet, some people would have us believe that Christianity is a better alternative to our traditional practices. They are just two sides of the same coin, which need getting rid of.

That is not Christianity. Jesus never thought that. The parents of those children should have read their Bible instead of being deceived by a charlatan in the guise of a pastor.

GRIMMJOE:
This is not wickedness, This is Christianity

Erm... Christianity does not teach this. Sorry

Omudia:
Pls do not apologize for the christian crusaders. The crusaders were a resistance army that fought against the Islamic jihad against Europeans. If not for the crusaders the Islamic jihadists would have slaughtered their way through Europe and imposed their religion on the survivors. I'm very happy the crusaders fought back and very soon i know a new crusaders army will spring up. Enough of Muslims killing Christians.

Well, I don't know much about the crusaders, but fighting is not our way.

Danmaiduguri:
Atleast we have seperating God's Word with prophet words unlike u christians Jampacked Everything all together, Word of God, word of prophets, words of historians, scholars as well as uncountable scientific errors and Condradictions.

Which bible do u believed as the true word of God KJV,RSV,ASV,DOAY,NIRV, etc. these are the few i can think of because their are dozen and dozen of bibles.

Why do u keep panelbeating it time to time? Or did u get New revelation from God. Eg KJV 1john 5:7 "There are three that bear record in heaven father, sin and holy ghost". This verse is removed from d RSV. why?? There are thousands of contradictions and errors but i wont some brothers will find it insulting.

The Quran is 1400yrs old but not even a single word has not been changed. Alhamdulillah. Islam is the Truth religion.

The many versions are for easy understanding. And all you Muslims saying Christians have changed the Bible over time is just pure ignorance. Even your Muslim scholars have searched the ancient manuscripts of the new testament and have seen that nothing has been changed. Thier new argument is now that the followers of Jesus actually portrayed Him as what He was not which is very laughable. But you will agree that your Quran referred you to the Bible. Wonder why if the Quran was sooooooo complete? And why do you all need the Hadiths which contradicts each other? There is actually a Hadith that said Muhammad saw his adopted son's wife half naked And after that married her. And this was written by a Muslim scholar!!!! But you will say, nooooo this makes Muhammad look bad, let us reject this and accept the ones that make us look really cool. Confused human beings.

YorubaStinks:
If you will love and forgive your enemies

Why is there Hell fire, why can't God love us and forgive us like we did to our enemies instead of sending us to Hell fire

He has already forgiven you. It is you that hasn't accepted Him. It is a two way thing. He's arms are wide open and you are refusing to go to Him. He doesn't see you as an enemy, you are His child. It is a decision to go hell. Hell is not a punishment. Sin on the other hand is something God cannot stand because He is pure. So before you go to Him, sin has to be dropped. Without that, you are on your way to hell. Remember, it's not a punishment for sinners, but a choice by sinners.

Emusan:
It should have been, why does Qur'an called Isa Allah's Spirit and Word?

because I could still remember how Muslims have been going up and down to proof the prophecy of the coming of Muhammad from the same book of John.

Typical Muslims. They knit pick what agrees with the Quran and discard the rest that go against them. Just the same way they pick what makes their religion sound cool from the Hadiths and discard the ones that make them look like utter fools forgetting that these Hadiths where written by Muslim "scholars". And yet they call us the confused ones.

Brigham:
One funny observation about the major theme of Christianity is self defeating.

Why should an all power god have sacrifice himself to himself before men could be forgiven.

That's magnanimous

If it's too difficult for you to understand, why bother?

APCsupporter:
You are being evasive. The son of whatever doesn't prove that he asked you to worship him. The hadiths were not picked based on preferences. They were not recorded during his time so there were so many sayings attributed to him so those that didn't contradict the Qur'an were taken as sahih. The Qur'an referred Muslims to the bible on certain areas but the bible as a whole has been turned into a worthless paper by christians themselves. No wonder many atheists are from christianity. The trinity is simply full of crap. I know about it better than you do

Wow. Daniel 10 (again I am referring you there for the gazzilionth time) says that Daniel saw a revelation of the Son of man, sitting on the right hand side of power receiving worship due ONLY TO GOD! Now go back to mark 14 : 65, after Jesus called Himself the son of man, the Jewish priest tore his clothes in anger. Why? Because he knew that was what Jesus meant! Now let's talk about your Quran. So your Quran recommended the Bible and you all are just going to pick what agrees with it and leave out the rest? Same way you will pick the Hadiths that don't make you all look like total belends and reject the rest? Forgetting that these Hadiths were written by Muslim scholars? Why would a Muslim write something bad about Muhammad if it's not true? Why would they make up something that puts your religion in the dirt? And saying we corrupted the Bible, please!!!! There are ancient Greek and Latin manuscripts, some written months after the death of Jesus. We can re-write the whole new testament if we want. And it's funny how you have conveniently avoided the contradiction I pointed out in the Quran and yet we are the confused ones? I know this is the point you stop replying me, because I'm making you look silly but please reply me!!!! I really want to get into your head and know why you are so ignorant.

APCsupporter:
Lol, you are sooo ignorant. You mean you don't know where david and moses are going right? Okay no problem. The bible verse that you quoted has not shown that jesus asked you to worship him. How can I be my own son? If I quote annunaki now he will disagree with the trinity. This shows how confused you people are. The claims you attributed to prophet Muhammad were derived from the hadith which are not always accurate. I want you to show me any contradiction in the holy Qur'an. Lol. Confused people.

Hahahaahahahahaha. I like how Muslims knit pick things. You pick parts of the Hadiths that suit you and ignore the rest. Jesus didn't ask to be worshipped? What is the meaning of "son of man" then? And why do u think the Jews wanted to kill him? And please why did the Quran recommend the Bible? Mark 14 : 62, Jesus called Himself the son of man, the I am and sitting in the right hand side of power. Now go back and read Daniel chapter 10 to see the meaning of these words. The problem with Muslims is that you people are so superficial. You see everything at face value. And I really can't start explaining the trinity for you now because If you can't understand this simple thing I am telling u, u can't understand it. And oh, Matthew 28 verse 19 shows Jesus giving his disciples to preach the word and baptise people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But of course, you superficial mind won't see that. And as for contradictions, look at Quran 9:29 and Quran 45:14. Thank you.

APCsupporter:
OMG!! Lol you are so dumb. Go and make your research. The crusaders killed in the name of christianity. Okay, so if jesus wasn't a violent killer then what of david and moses? Are they going to hell?

You are saying that the Qur'an has been twisted. Even your top scholars have agreed that Qur'an has not been tampered with. The bible is so full of contradictions and has so many different versions. This alone is an evidence that your bible has been corrupted. No wonder you have over 34,000 different sects that don't agree with each other. You people are still confused as to whether jesus is god or the son of god. You still can't show us where jesus told you to worship him and you have the guts to accuse the Qur'an of being tampered with?

Funny people. Don't forget to tell me whether david and moses are going to hell or not. I'm waiting

You need a place where Jesus says he should be worshipped? Read mark 14 verse 62. Jesus called Himself the son of man. Now find the meaning of "son of man" in Daniel chapter 10. Now Jesus is both God and the son of God. You need to read about the trinity to understand that. Finally is Moses and David going to hell? How will I know? Christianity started with Jesus! Dont drag me back to Moses and David. Those men where Jews and they lived under a different time. Now let's talk about the Quran and the credibility of Muhammad. Why would I believe what a man says 600 years after the death of Jesus about Him than what his closest followers said? Muhammad who who married 11 wives when he gave a law to marry 4? Muhammad who married the wife of his adopted son? Muhammad who gave a revelation that Muslims can pray through 3 goddesses and then turned around to say the Revelations were from Satan? How can u trust a man who can't tell the difference between Revelations from God and one from Satan? Muhammad who preached peace when Muslims where in the minority and then preached violence when they had gained ground? Didn't your Quran recommend the Gospels? If it had been corrupted why did it recommend it? Didn't your Quran say those who live by the Gospels are safe but later turned around to say kill the unbelievers!!!! You people are confused. I won't support a religion like that.

ODAROOMS:
abeg... forget, u think say Baba get more time & power to Jingle am well well? Y she no go beautiful Stay there...

Haba oga! So na jingling they make person ugly? By your logic, people like Kim kardashian should be the ugliest girl in the world. Because jungle when that geh eye don see, nor be here oh

Wow. There is beauty in Africa. But I swear, Aisha is one woman that still makes me mad. How someone can be so beautiful at that age is simply amazing. Wonder how she was when she was younger.

OoniOfIfe:
Go and read Malachi 3:8
Tithes is not freewill donation, you'll be teamed a criminal/robber if you don't pay tithes and offerings, I was born a christian and once a born again Christians, don't tell me anything about the bible/christians
most men of God use that bible vers to rob their members

Of course you are a robber If you don't pay your tithe. You are robbing God. But God won't hold that against you. It is just a law, as a Christian, you want to prosper in your field, pay your tithes. It doesn't mean u will go to hell. Like I said, no one puts a gun on your head to pay your tithes, it is your choice. But dont blame God when things stop going well for you. Ask those who pay their tithes faithfully, notice the word "faithfully" and they will give you endless testimonies. And what does shaking Me a picture of Oyedepo in a private get mean? You people are funny. Do you know the amount of humanitarian services he renders? Do you know the amount of charity he gives? No! Because the media doesn't carry that. I have a cousin who winners chapel has been taking care of his university education. I am not a member of winners so it's not like am sucking up to them. And by the way, the rule is to pay your tithe. Whatever the pastors do with it, is not your business. It's between them and God. Politicians are living lavish with tax payers money but you don't question that. You still pay your tax anyway and hope that the law catches up with these politicians. And finally, I do not think u were a Christian. Christianity is not a title, it is Christ living inside of you. The disciples where willing to carry the message of Jesus to their bloody deaths and that was due to one thing. They had seen Jesus. If you have seen Jesus and what he does in one's life, there is no turning back.

OoniOfIfe:
God is only interested in their tithes and offerings

God doesn't need your tithe and offering! Who's telling you people these? And not paying tithes and offerings is not a sin. Offering is a freewill donation to the work of God. Thats how we contribute to the spread of the gospel. Now tithe is a while different thing. Again, no one will kill you if you don't pay and you won't go to hell. Tithing is just tied to our earthly blessings. We tithe to receive more from God. Those that pay know what they get from it, that is why they don't complain! No one compels them to, they do it willingly because get blessed from it. And now for the starving children, it is our responsibility and also that of the church (that's what part of your offering is used for), but it's unfortunate many churches don't take responsibility.

APCsupporter:
Shut up you are the one that is exhibiting madness here. Your god rraped mary and wiped out races. he sent moses and david to kill thousands of people including women and children. Go through the old testament and see how your god encouraged bloodshed and killed millions of people.

It's amazing how this God annoys you. Afterall, a nonexistent God can't piss you off so much?