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Empiree:
it means your op was addressed in the past. Hence, it is recycled. Help yourself and stop whining for attention

alBHAGDADI:
Leave that one alone, he has no idea to give about the questions.

I swear, those questions of yours are enough to make even Mohammad himself to run back to that satanic cave to question that fake angel jibril.

Empiree:
help yourself. We discussed at lengthy there

https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible#down

Empiree:
See why you are ignored? . Don't you see this post yours is in conflict with your op?.

That's why no one takes you serious. Since you already made up your mind, who cares what you believe!


You said:






Obviously you are lying for your Jesus

alBHAGDADI:
Pls when next you want to write, spare us the trash of having to read PEACE BE UNTO Him. It really makes reading and comprehension difficult. I even wonder why you have to keep praying for peace to be with the men you claim lived a holy life. Or are they in torment somewhere?

So far, you haven't answered the OP and its questions. How can you say the Quran is God's word? A book that inspired terrorists, rapist and bloodthirsty herdsmen is what you call the true words of God which you claim is above the by Bible?

And why do you keep contradicting yourself? You claim that there is nothing in the Quran and sunnah of Mohammad that condemns the early Christians for believing in what they believed in. This means that the message of the Quran came to condemn whoever continues to believe in that same concept. I would have believed you had it been that Mohammed came with the same message of Christ and also came as a Christian. No, he did not. So, what gives him the right to come and rubbish what existed centuries before his father was born? He simply came to preach a different message contrary to what Christ preached cos he was a murderer and a lying rapist. Even John the Baptist knew there wasn't going to be another man like Christ, that was why he has to ask to be sure. Yahshua answered him by saying that since his miracles are things that have never been experienced before, then he is the one to come after which no other will come, definitely not a terrorist, murderer, plagiarist, pedophile, liar and a Christian killer.

Mathew 11:2-6

2 And when John had heard in prison about the works of Christ, he sent two of[a]his disciples
3 and said to Him, “Are Youthe Coming One, or do welook for another?”
4 Jesus answered and said to them,“Go and tell John the things which you hear and see:
5 Theblind see andthelame walk;thelepers are cleansed andthedeaf hear;thedead are raised up andthepoor have the gospel preached to them.
6 And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.”

Pls, answer the OP questions one after the other. Let me invite my soon to be Christians.

aminusanti Empiree udatso rilwayne001 friendchoice

Medknight:
Praise be to Allah
There is nothing in the Holy Qur’an or in the Prophet’s Sunnah to condemn the early Christians (i.e., before the sending of our Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) as disbelievers because of their belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was killed and crucified. Rather Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, condemns them as disbelievers because they regarded the Messiah as a god, and because they regarded divinity as being three: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

There is nothing in the Holy Qur’an that says “surely they have disbelieved who say that the Messiah was killed and crucified”!

Hence we agree with your view that it is natural – as you say – that the Christians, by whom we mean the early Christians, before the coming of our Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would believe in the crucifixion and the killing of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him). But after the sending of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the revelation of the Qur’an, and the definitive denial of the killing and crucifixion of the Messiah, whoever believes in the killing and crucifixion of the Messiah after that is a disbeliever, because he has rejected what Qur’an says, which definitive evidence and miracles have proven is the true word of Allah and not the words of any human being.

What they quote as evidence of reports about the killing and crucifixion of the Messiah is an illusion, because there are no reliable and widely reported accounts concerning that. Watch this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHF5evfPwmc

felixomor:
You dont know
So please stick to the ideal brother of ignorance which is silence.
This is an intelligent discussion.

Tadeknkeepcalm:
Paul. sorry for delving in to the matter, I don't know, I ain't that knowledgeable, shouldn't have spoken based on my little knowledge, but evidence has been given by scholars, you can check Google

Tadeknkeepcalm:
The disciples were not the constructors of the lie, the lie was told by someone else, so the disciples continued the worship of God alone and not Jesus, now why did someone decide to lie? Because the greatest unforgivable sin is ascribing partners with the one God, so people go to extreme lengths to mislead people thanks to satan.
Even in Islam people construct lies against the prophet, that's why we have weak hadith (written actions or sayings of the prophet), just so they could mislead people, and there are those who study Ahadith to tell which is a weak one or authentic

Lennycool:
Jesus never conformed to the views of the Jews.
If he truly believed in gender equality he would've firmly supported it. Same thing with slavery, Jesus would have spoke vehemently against it, if he didn't support it.

MrMontella:
then why do you say the atheist is angry at yahweh?

Lennycool:
This is weak, he was in a roman controlled territory, both Romans and Jews see nothing wrong with slavery, so of course he was surrounded by slaves, not to mention all the travels he did you want to tell me he didn't meet one slave. Bull. Jesus didn't speak cause he had nothing against it.


You're missing the point, he spoke on lust even when it was just imagination, yet he didn't say a thing on slavery.
Owning another human being forever and having premarital sex, which is worse?


I assure you they did not misunderstand the bible, america was so deeply christian it even banned alcohol and gambling. This people followed the Bible to the latter. The bible saw slavery as cool so did they.


When he said after healing
"Go and sin no more"
Instead of keep good personal hygiene.

And also the places where he cured convulsing people by casting out demons.



Twelve male disciple doesn't sound like misogyny to you?
When he spoke of divorce he gave the man permission only in the case of adultery on the part of his wife.
And what right did he give to the woman?
Nothing.
No exception, none whatsoever. Not even on cases of violence or adultery, the woman was the husband's property to him.

Yes if everyone followed Jesus's teachings their would be less suffering.
But their would be more deaths due to disease, their would be massive gender inequality and there would still be slavery.
Jesus is not that much of a good moral guide.

Lennycool:
Ahh but that isn't the only thing Jesus taught now is it?
He taught people to love one another, yet never spoke against slavery, while he had free time to diss on fornication. The American south was filled with slave owning christians because of this.

Jesus also taught that sickness and diseases were caused by sin, a belief most christian sect still hold near.
Jesus was also a misogynist.

So with jesus its a matter of what he spoke and didn't speak on.
Both his teachings and silence give rise to dangerous belief systems.

MrMontella:
why are you angry at allah my friend?

CecyAdrian:
Lol, Jesus condemned the manner in which it was paid, because much emphasis was laid on it just like the present church is doing now, instead of other things, like this pastors laying emphasis on justice, mercy and faith.

When you read through that chapter, his annoyance towards it shows he was not a fan of it.

Lennycool:
How can you give respect to beliefs that are detrimental to the society?
The Mayans believed in killing people for rainfall, should we respect this because it is their belief?

In nigeria christians chase children into the streets because they think they are witches, should I respect their beliefs?

No ones irrational belief is beyond scrutiny.
Nothing is sacred and all must be challenged.
The sooner Nigerians wake up the better

CecyAdrian:
In that verse Jesus even condemned the manner in which tithe was favoured justice, mercy and faith even likening it to one cleaning the outside of th dish while the inside is dirty.

HCpaul:
Really?

Ok! So you, the light and the salt of the world should please teach us about your faulty faith.

Even when I was a Christian, I stopped praying when I could no longer deceive myself any longer. It was all obvious to me that I was talking to myself and that no any sky daddy up there was busy processing and working on my petitions.

You people will pray against a problem and at the end of the day, you will as well become the pioneer of the solution "the administrator of your own success " and at the end, you will climb that your stupid alter in your nonsensical gathering (church) and will testify how God (in place of your own ability and initiative) provided the solution miraculously.

You know...... Apart from being cajoled by people, the day you can no longer deceive yourself is the day the burning sensation, guts and the curiosity to question your religious belief begins and to as well decline and detach them if they are found guilty of been delusional.

Bill Gates mother once questioned him that what was he doing, but the little kid replied "Mum, I am thinking".

Today, the product of his thought is apparently evident to the world. It cannot be deny.

millions of Christians are praying and a little kid was busy thinking. Now, the whole world are benefitting from his thoughts while your prayers constitute nothing but nuisance to the community.

Imagine that he was praying, what would have been the fate of his destiny and that of the entire human race

Prayer to me is nothing but a reflection and an expression of a mind that is too lazy to think, plan and take accurate judgement.

It is nothing but the religious way of shifting responsibility and wishfully hoping for an unknown hand to anticipate it and deliver a positive results.

I will rather think than to waste my lifetime praying to an in-existing imaginary sky brother.

If not that the Christians can't think, 3 young dudes were executed on the cross (same day), and one out of smartness, greediness, and an eternal lust for fame and abiding popularity nominated himself as the saviour of mankind.

Gush...

kollynxofodile:
Hypocrisy is when the Protestants criticizes the Catholics for having pic of Virgin Mary but hv the pic of dre General overseers as protection.
Believe it or not Protestants is the reason why non Christians don't respect Christainity

horlumiday:
Run away from churches that only talks abt security, success, marriage etc or churches preachin CHRIST n lata end up merging it with material things, the gospel shud only be abt Christ, its come to church n get Jesus nt wealth or other stuffs...

Berlynn:
I will join MMM maybe tats where my future husband is we must find oursleves if nairaland/facebook cannor find us MMM will find us!!



patiently waiting for the return of MMM

Dfinex:
lol....funny u. I hope so too, even though I'll have my own money for my maintenance.

Dfinex:
lol.....boyfriend I yaff taya for ya matta. why are u bring elements of confusion into this discuss?

I thought u wanted to distribute some of ur love, in short sef I no want again. I fittn't do anymore.

wow....it's been nice chitchatting with u all along, enjoy ur evening sir. cheers