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I'm sure that pastor must be a preacher of 'drink and don't get drunk'. So much for drinking responsibly. Proverbs 20v1

Talk about lies and doctrines coming from the PIT OF HELL. I'm beginning to enjoy that phrase o!
Which kain pastor be this kunle, I'm praying you to tell me the good news and you're refering me to YOUR thread. Ba wahala. I dey come.

Kunle, you tell me pray, what is the good news?

People also cast unfounded allegations and aspersions at Christ. No be today. Settle with Jesus your maker, mr and then go and preach the good news instead of all these accusations.

@donnie
I'm not writing for or against God sharing His glory. My post is that that song 'you're the Lord, that is your name. . ' is not a lie from the pit of hell. The song is likely refering to passages like Isaiah 48 v11 or 42 v 8. That's all.
But your 'logic' get comma o! You quote/claim Isaiah 41 v15 at the end of all your posts, but to you, chapter 42 and 45 is not for 'the fruits of redemption'. Where do you stand

I'm reading some sublime things here. It's my prayer that it'll touch and melt hearts and bring the real experience of genuine conversion in Jesus name.
Kunle, marvel not (don't be suprised) that I'm telling you, you must be born again.

@donnie
i wouldn't hastily say that song is 'a lie from the pit of hell'. I think it refers to passages like Isaiah 42v8 and 48v11

@kunleOshob
Don't be ridiculous. Even atheists like mazaje and tudor should be able to list the 'fruits' you refer to. Come away from the letter into the spirit. I'm sure if I'd mentioned your preconceived discovery of helping the poor, I'll have scored an 'A' with you.
I think the more important question for you to ask is 'Am I really born again?', not what does it mean to be born again? Your attitude to others on this forum and against preachers (false or real) says you might not be born again. Try self examination, mr judge

The fruit is that you're no more your own but God. Your foundation changes from doing things first because you agree but doing it firstly because you believe. A born again person is dead you know. He lives as Christ, not as his discovered self. Not my will but thine be done in earth.

Abacha maybe! I'm not exactly bothered

Now, i will never doubt it. JESUS IS COMING SOON!

I wouldn't be lying if I said I'm speechless. Verily, wine is a mocker.

I wouldn't be lying if I said I'm speechless. Verily, wine is a mocker.

Being born again means giving your life to God/Jesus. We're all born with nothing but our lives into this world. God who gave us life requires us to give it back to Him for His glory/pleasure. If your life is still with you, then you're not born again. When you give your life to Jesus, He gives you His life in return. Then without Him, you can do nothing. Many live on their wills, thoughts, discoveries and ways. What God requires is give Me your life. Are you a man/person of yourself or a person of Another? That tells if you're presently born again or not.


Before I post, let me predict that kunle will say I have twisted scriptures. He's wired to act that way.

Allta, hi. I've been busy to reply, sorry.
You're missing my point. If I drink 100 bottles of orange juice, you can't say 'You are drunk.' BUT you can say 'You HAVE drunk'. Because 'drunk' as a past participle does not always refer to intoxication.
Anyway, this link might be of further help. It's good if yourself, KunleOshob considered it in your research. Here it is. http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/2.html
Happy reading

Allta, hi. I've been busy to reply, sorry.
You're missing my point. If I drink 100 bottles of orange juice, you can't say 'You are drunk.' BUT you can say 'You HAVE drunk'. Because 'drunk' as a past participle does not always refer to intoxication.
Anyway, this link might be of further help. It's good if yourself, KunleOshob considered it in your research. Here it is. http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/2.html
Happy reading

Allta, hi. I've been busy to reply, sorry.
You're missing my point. If I drink 100 bottles of orange juice, you can't say 'You are drunk.' BUT you can say 'You HAVE drunk'. Because 'drunk' as a past participle does not always refer to intoxication.
Anyway, this link might be of further help. It's good if yourself, KunleOshob considered it in your research. Here it is. http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/2.html
Happy reading

Allta, i didn't say adjective 'drunk' ONLY refers to intoxication. I said a verb 'drunk' in John 2 is not and does not refer to intoxication. It refers to an action of drinking(intake of liquid), a past participle.
'They HAVE well drunk' is different from 'They ARE well drunk.' this is normal simple english, there's no need for us to read our biases into this.
And mind you, the people of Jesus' don't know stuff about %alcoholic content. What they know is new and old, good and worse. It is common knowledge that grape juice ferments if unattended to, so what is termed as new wine may as well have alcoholic content, too much of which can lead to intoxication. As I've consistently maintained, it is the low alcoholic content that we should consider, not just that Jesus took wine,Jesus took wine. What type? Is it vodka,satzenbrau or kaikai

Kunle, did Jesus get drunk on the wine he took? Or what are you suggesting by your question that 'do people get drunk on fresh grape juice'.
Where it is in the Bible that Jesus took something fresh is where he turned water to good wine, not the worse one that the people usually brought in when guests had been filled. You seem to neglect that Jews were not friends of strong drink and its like, you guys are painting a wrong picture of the Jewish feasts.

Allta, are you there? I said it's a past participle verb drunk that was used, not an adjective 'drunk'. The importance of that is the 'drunk' in John 2 is not refering to intoxication. It is an adjective 'drunk' that refers to intoxication. Like you pointed out, 'well' is an adverb describing drunk. Thank you.
Razby, my point all along has been that the wine taken by Jesus is not what people are clamouring for today. I've not stated that Jesus did not take wine. My debate is what kind, is it paraga, stout or fresh grape juice

Allta, thanks for the english lessons. Truly I'm impressed. it's a past participle verb 'drunk' not an adjective 'drunk'. It's not rational to bring in 'wine' of any form when men are already intoxicated.

Induced yawn

Hi, it has been a good day. Thanks for the new wine confirmation. I for buy you mama put but nairaland no gree pass 200kb attachment.
Now John2v10 says 'when men have well drunk'. My english teacher tell me that is different from 'when men are drunk'. Drunk in that sentence is not the adjective, well is. Drunk is a past participle verb meaning satisfied. Check it up. Goodnight

Heya my bad, see Kunle waiting to pounce. Sorry for the mix up. I've read it and acknowledged it earlier that beer usually had lower alcoholic content than 'wine'. What I didn't bring out clearly is that the alcoholic intake by many through beer is far ahead of their intake of 'wine'. i.e a bottle of the same size of beer may contain less alcohol than the same size of 'wine', but hardly will people drink a whole bottle of 'wine'. They'll usually serve the wine in small quantity compared to beer which many take bottles and cartons. At the end, the alcoholic intake is higher. I'm really sorry about the mistake. It wasn't intentional.
Allta, you don't need to think to far. The fresh grape juice was the new or good wine, while the fermented one was as the name suggests,the old wine or worse wine. You can do your 'jewish' research sha

@kunleOshob and Allta
Good to see that we're moving together. But you need to do your beer and wine researches well again o. Nobody can put 90% alcohol in any drink. Then beer is usually of higher alcoholic content than wine.
Also, please note that what is generally known as wine today is FERMENTED, not naturally but induced. It quite different from fresh palmwine which over time will ferment. It's different from grape juice which over time will ferment. Now yayin or bayin, I'm not a fan of 'greek words'. But it is general knowledge that Jesus turned water into 'new' wine. I think that is instructive. Do you doubt that Jesus had the power to turn the water into old wine which the people were expecting?

And Tudor, even if BinLaden were to give out a billion dollars to the needy, there'll still be fault with him. Why? Because his foundation is wrong.
I wouldn't live in the beautiful edifice knowing that the foundation is faulty. The truth you don't know and which might be difficult for many to swallow, is this; we're living in a time when God commands us to love. Our love is from God. The time is coming when we'll come with Christ Jesus and destroy the NATIONS that do not believe in God (Rev 19:14-16). We'll do it, because it's from God, the firm foundation. We know the winning side already, that's why we're in it and begging you now to join. All this wave of emotion that you're living in, is what it is, a wave. You cant buy it, can't keep it, can only see it. Pretty vain man

It's such a pity that I'm not currently well chanced to be on nairaland. It is now obvious that you do not see past your fellows' faith. I thought with the way huxley emboldened and coloured Jeremiah 19v9, it'll be easy for you to see. But your issue is not spiritual eye defects, it is spiritual blindness. Let me sing it for you, hopefully you're not spiritually deaf. Jeremiah 19v9 talks of a siege. The inhabitants of Judah were to be so besieged by their enemies that they'll experience terrible famine. You can see 2kings6 v24-29 for something similar. That's what can happen in terrible times. Quit your ideas of God telling people to eat babies.

BTW, 20000 cartons of noodles and turkey that have expired/spoilt is worth a lot to humans. Destroy such and you may well be on your way to a much coveted national award. But what is man, that God is mindful of Him. The whole earth and it's inhabitants is LESS THAN nothing to God. But God is mindful of man because of what is called 'grace'. Now, I shouldn't go above the syllabus.

@Tudor
With all the money spent on you at is it covenant university or where did you call it, english is stil proving difficult for you to grasp? Look at the devil is doing to you. sorry. You don't need all this sentiments in sharing your atheist faith. In the post you quoted, where did you see me comparing 'innocent babies and little children' to noodles and turkeys?
I gave you a case/example of where we humans destroy our spoilt goods/belongings. I told you the earth belongs to God and all the inhabitants. He can take out anything that displeases Him or corrupts His creation.

@Tudor
With all the money spent on you at is it covenant university or where did you call it, english is stil proving difficult for you to grasp? Look at the devil is doing to you. sorry. You don't need all this sentiments in sharing your atheist faith. In the post you quoted, where did you see me comparing 'innocent babies and little children' to noodles and turkeys?
I gave you a case/example of where we humans destroy our spoilt goods/belongings. I told you the earth belongs to God and all the inhabitants. He can take out anything that displeases Him or corrupts His creation.