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LordReed:
I guess what I really mean is how is he here and away at the same time. In what form is he here and there at the same time?

He's here in Spirit form, mainly invisible, God is a Spirit. He's coming in visible form like i quoted in the Acts.

How is it obvious?

The episodes/events were obviously short and once in a while from the accounts you referenced. Just like man doesn't normally live in space or water.

If memory is in the soul what happens to it when a person dies?

It disintegrates/divides to the spirit and the body.

So which part of god came as Jesus if he is fused together?

The Son part.

So humans are the ones creating new human spirits now?

Reproducing, not creating.

But are you in heaven for your brother or for the god? If the god can identify you just alright without the body why does he need the body? He has the spirits just like he wants.

For both. In Heaven, we'll recognize and remember people. We'll see all the fellow saints from both Old and New testament. And the whole big family. He doesn't need the body, we need it.

Yeah sure, that's why coming soon has stretched out to 2000 years. LoLz.

You're correct, He can do whatsoever He wants and pleases. We're the ones who don't have time, He dwells in eternity.

LordReed:
How can you come back to where you already are? If Jesus is here how can he be coming soon?

You should pay for these tutorials, lol.

Act 1:11 KJV Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus Christ is not here in a visible form like we could all see and touch Him before ascension. He's coming back in such visible and tangible form to all humans to reign. Every eye will see Him then, definitely you must have read.

Yet an angel was said to have brought food and utensils or done wrestling or touched things and people or even just being seen by people. What exactly do these spirits need a body for when they can do all these things?

Obviously they couldn't stay, those are provisions like people going under water or space. It's not their natural habitat. The devil possesses living things and lives convenient for years, very different.

So for instance where does your memory reside, body, soul or spirit?

Depends on what is memory. i can liken it to reproduction. Our chief reproductive organs are our private parts. Nonetheless, every part of our body is reproducing. If you are referring to what part is primarily responsible for thinking in a human, it is the soul.
Again these things are fused together like God is. Same way some people ignorantly joke that God is talking to Himself in the case of the Trinity.

Where was the spirit before the human was born?

Same place that the body was, no where. God is not repeating Genesis 1,2 every time, He has given that mainly to man.

Wait, you mean the spirits can't be identified without their bodies?

The god sure likes waiting doesn't he. As long suffering as a stone. LoLz.

There's a clear MAYBE clause there. Who's doing the identification. i think it's easier and saner for me to identify a brother in the afterlife by the face and shape he was known on earth. God knows you by your very breathe, hair and even thought, i don't.

Waiting is inevitable, God is not man who loves microwave shortcuts. He's got all the time in the world literally.

Damscodammy1:
election kuku dy.i nvr 2 post apc strong hold 4 here o

Wao.

Alba3:
That's BAO's hometown, Ikogosi; he doesn't have to buy votes to win there, their votes are for their son.

Don't mind this people. They don't know Nigerians. They will bully the man to drop something, him self go dey shame not to drop.

Damscodammy1:
Okemesi ekiti
Oke oja
apc 151 sdp 15 pdp 24

ile lagba apc 54 sdp 20 pdp 42

ile odole apc 54 sdp 20 pdp 22.

odole oke apc 56 sdp 15 pdp 24

ile oshodi apc 52 sdp 12 pdp 22

ile odunmorun apc 252 sdp 24 pdp 29.
iro oke apc 77 sdp 20 pdp 9

unit16 apc 68 pdp 22 sdp 19

Ah ah, this is bullying oh. This margin sef go pass any other Ekiti election. No contest here.

This is nice na, make una applaud the poor man.

CHANNELStv2020:
From what is happening here in ekiti,Apc is buying everybody,voters 10k,security 150k,I shout for line tire,but hunger is real,Apc is Evil honestly,if the youth are really serious about 2023, they should start strategizing on how to stop this vote buying,otherwise we are just joking on social media I tell u.

Are you implying that PDP,SDP and others are not spending money? The truth is Nigeria is so bad that if you don't spend, they will not think well of you and will not vote for you. They have the Mbaka mindset that you are stingy and will be stingy in government. All those of you hyping Obi to the Heavens are not yet realistic. Elections are not won by online likes and Whatsapp status.

Franking:
You mean bought first polling unit?

Are you implying that PDP, SDP and other parties are not spending money?

KnownUnknown:
Today I learned that God is alcohol.
God is spirit and it has a spiritual body.
So, alcohol(spirit) in a bottle (spiritual body) like a Genie in a lamp.

Children have imaginary friends and we call it cute. Adults have imaginary friends and they call it spirituality. Clowns

Shows how far you still have to go and how less you know if you are just knowing today. It has always been there in the Bible that i quoted for over 2000years. And most of you will claim you have read all the Bible and seen the rubbish you see.

LordReed:
Jesus isn't here so I guess you are filling in for him till he allegedly comes back. LoLz.

Jesus Christ is everywhere, i cannot lace His boots.

So devils who already have a spiritual body want to possess another body? Why?

Reason why i put the word "fully" in bold. Spirits cannot fully exist without a body, they need a physical body to fully exist on a physical earth/realm. Just like you'd need gills or some mask to survive in water.

Well what happens to the soul, you've so far only accounted for body and spirit.

The soul is actually a product of the fusion of the spirit and body, i quoted it already in Genesis. When the spirit leaves the body, the soul ceases to exist in the sense of that demarcation of spirit, soul and body.

So while the human spirits are chilling before getting spiritual bodies they are not conscious or what?

Not fully, i don't have all the answers on this one, but the Bible talks about them not fully functional. It's somewhere in Revelations.

Also why does the god need to wait for the physical bodies to be resurrected why can't he just make new spiritual bodies? BTW what happens is a person's body is completely obliterated how does it get resurrected? You know that very few human remains have survived over the thousands of years of our known history, what happens to them?

i don't know about God needing to wait but i/we do know for sure that He has chosen to wait. You don't need your physical bodies after death, perhaps maybe for recognition(MAYBE). We're all getting spiritual bodies whether you are dead or alive as a believer.

It has started. Where are the "Get your PVC" gang? People naively think anyone getting PVC is against APC and PDP, how can you be that naive in 2022?

Just like we Nigerians have interest in the United States, we want to japa.

LordReed:
Still haven't answered why the physical body needs to be transformed if the spirit can exist without it.

Also did the soul just disappear?

I know you are gatekeeper general na I already acknowledged that so go on. LoLz.

Jesus is the gatekeeper general, not me. i only know what i know.

Heb 4:12 KJV For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to[b] the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, [/b]and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

While God is a Spirit with a spiritual body like angels and devils have a spiritual body, man was created primarily as a living soul with a physical body. So, although man has spirit, he is not spirit but flesh. And of course, flesh is subject to all the things that flesh is subject to. But man will not remain flesh, a little lower than the angels, but will be like the angels. Spirits cannot fully exist without a body, that's why they love to possess an available body. Human spirits will need a spiritual body to fully enjoy eternity.

sotall:
You mean a Toyota Camry gets spoilt or damaged or irreparable when Mr Toyota says it should?

What logic is this?

Does Mr Toyota have the ability to make a Toyota that never gets spoilt?

Or a Toyota that can be driven forever without repair?

Man is a project/experiment. God just needs and is getting a few "good" men. Man is the one that feels entitled like you, thinking God needs and should get all men. No, few there be that find it.

LordReed:
I don't understand. How are the spirits with god without a spirit body? You mean spirits can exist without a spirit body so why do they need a physical body to be changed into a spirit one?

Nevermind what I used to believe, you are gatekeeper general so your own interpretation is the focus here. LoLz.

Lol, the scriptures is not of private interpretation. You know already that i don't have time for fables, i know the Truth and He works.

Ecc 12:7 KJV Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Man is uniquely created tripartite so he has distinct spirit, soul and body. He was given a physical body by God like the passage you already read said. The physical body is what is referred to as "dust" as you know.
At the resurrection, the physical body will be changed to a spiritual body like you have read, in a blink of an eye. It's not a long process, we shall be changed and mortality must put on immortality.

LordReed:
So which bodies are the ocean being raised up? And how are the spiritual bodies still on earth while the spirit is with the god?

It is changed. i thought you used to read Bible abi na only dance and motivation you dey do for church?

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

No one has spiritual bodies yet until what we call the "rapture".

LordReed:
So there's not going to be a resurrection of dead believers when Jesus supposedly comes back? The great judgement day will not be a resurrection of all?

Oh i see, the resurrection is not a resurrection of physical bodies but of spiritual bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Those new bodies will be eternal.

LordReed:
If the god is sending human spirits to their final destination why does he need to resurrect their bodies?

i'm not sure of what exactly you refer to, can you be more specific with the verse or passage?

wirinet:
What do you mean by triune nature and immortality? What is triune nature and is man immortal? How come other animal species like our closest species like the Urangutan and Gorilla don't possess these nature?
And how are you certain that there are no other life in the vast universe that share these so called nature?

When we say "nature of God", we're basing it on what the Bible says/said i suppose, not what the textbook says. i don't think the textbook or wikipedia is where anyone here learned that man was created in the nature/image of God. BTW, man was never created holy but complete, although God is holy.
The image/nature of God that all men possess is that of being tripartite and one. That is made of spirit, soul and body. i am talking/explaining based on the Bible and on God, where the thread/OP is arguing from, not based on your laboratory findings. Man as a being is spirit, soul and body and yet one being. Secondly, man is "immortal" unlike other living things created on earth in the sense that we have "spirit". Spirits don't die, spirit is from God, God's breathe. Same goes for devils, angels and other spirits, they are gods in a form. While our physical bodies die, our spirits actually don't die but return to God Who will ultimately send them to their final destinations in due time.
i am not sure that i expect you or most readers to understand this, but it's actually the answer to your question.

i didn't say anything related to the bold.

DeepSight:
This is upside-down reasoning. It is exactly because man is said to be created in the image of God that the matter is so damning for God - because the nature of man then effectively discloses the nature of God.

A fallen nature? Nature of God refers to man's triune nature and immortality. The beasts and the universe are not said to be created in the nature of God, are they?

Bako for president. What a humble and uncommon boy that is not older than his mother.

Then it's likely game over for Obi and PDP. All these guys were in PDP together and they are splitting PDP votes more in favor of APC.

kayperry:
We are taya of all these cock and bull stories, GEJ came with "i have no shoe i have no bag" yet again buhari decieved nigerians "with Mr integrity" and "i have only two house" .... both are on record to be the worst democratic leaders we ever had ... May its time we stop looking for saint.
Nigerians are gullibles that fall for anytime buh with the rate of hardship & suffering in the we must get sense by fire by force.

My exact point, thumbs up.

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Overtrustworthy sir. It's the living book.

He no carry assistant or PA, this cost reduction guy fear me oh. Solo no dey work oh for governance.

PoliteActivist:
I don't know why you can't just concede an obvious FACT: Obi was popular at end of his term AND Obiano became governor entirely due to Obi's backing.

A major part of what a president does is be the symbolic motivating factor. In the case of Nigeria, the president has almost dictatorial powers. We copied American system but didn't copy the little checks and balances that keep the president in check. Do you know ONLY the president has command of legitimate arms in this country. He can decide to have security detail of a governor withdrawn. That's why I doubt Nigeria's powers that be can trust an Igbo with the presidency. Nigerian president's powers are too much. It is not like a governorship at all. A FRUGAL PRESIDENT CAN PRECIPITATE A LOT!!!

This is more of a tribally founded argument, have a good evening.

PoliteActivist:
You are obviously anti-Obi, only that you are couching it in pseudo logic. Question is, was Obi popular at end of his term? The answer is a resounding YES. There is a reason no one is clamoring for Ngige or Obiano or other Anambra ex-govs to become president.
The major drain on Nigerian economy is cost of governance and Obi is the right man to fix it

i am actually anti-everyone contesting because none of them is what Nigeria needs. As it is a discussion forum, i discuss real issues, not sentiments. Given the media hype on Obi, the reality show no justification and it portends dangers if he is president. Your dodging my question has nothing to do with logic but the truth. The truth is Obi was impeached as a governor. The truth is that he lost as an incumbent governor and had to go to court asking that his term was not complete before being reconsidered. The truth is that he was a PDP governor in his second term and up till a few weeks ago, but his party could not win an election but lost to Obiano's APGA.
Popularity is relative so i didn't ask that, i asked for clear evidence as the above.
The major drain on Nigeria's economy is a lack of vision. Obi can only fix himself, not Nigeria. He'll only tell us how he's not collecting salary (Buhari and GEJ already sold that to us while the rest of their cabinet are busy looting), or how he sacked all Aso Rock staff for his wife to handle the cooking and his son the gardening or how he and his family uses bicycle instead of plane. Those are acts of comedy and childishness not fit for a Nigerian president. He'll have so much opposition as not to be able to implement such comic acts on governance and will likely be impeached again because money is not flowing. That's part of the instability i refer to. He'll implode the economy and security by any unexperienced effort at mass sacking to save money.

PoliteActivist:
From time immemorial prophets have always proclaimed their prophecies, they don't hide it to only the person. So we disagree.

It's okay.

peggywebbs:
Possibly but I know people have different thresholds for pain. Some people are more resilient but I think most times they find their way back at their time. It might take a long while but they come back. That type of faith doesn't poof in thin air

Let's hope so,but never think it was sudden. Curiosity has worked very terribly on man since the days of Eve.

PoliteActivist:
The questions are irrelevant to the aim of your write-up: to show Obi was not popular. Once you concede Obi was so wildly popular he was able to replace himself with his hand-picked successor, once you concede that, the argument is over because we'd be in agreement.

As for the revelation, the prophet's name ought be there, once that attribution is clearly stated, it can be used

There's no justification for politicizing religion or spiritual issues. It only produces a mockery of the faith and doesn't win. We've seen how the prophecies on Bakare, GEJ, FFK, Fayose and others have turned out.

PoliteActivist:
The questions are irrelevant to the aim of your write-up: to show Obi was not popular. Once you concede Obi was so wildly popular he was able to replace himself with his hand-picked successor, once you concede that the argument is over because we'd be in agreement

We don't need to be in agreement. Your deliberate unwillingness to answer the questions show the fact. We need stability, not a topsy turvy politician who is easily swept away. Peter Obi's strong point is that he doesn't spend money. That was the major selling point for Buhari that year too and he even tried to justify it by not appointing ministers for 6months and by being minister of petroleum. Economy doesn't work that way. Like i have said, we've not seen anything spectacular in Obi to make us think anything will change for good. Instead, we have seen a precedence of him being impeached, losing as an incumbent and his party not able to win after his second term. Other things like winning an election or handover are things that the basic governors have done from North to South.

LordReed:
Which is exactly what 99.9% of the universe is. The 7 other planets of our solar system cannot sustain life as we know it.

Constant with God picking just that 0.01% for better things. Many people are agitated about why so so millions and billions are not hearing the gospel or how it is impossible for them to perish. They have not deeply observed the universe to recognize their insignificance and being lighter than dust. They have not seen it is great grace and mercy to be considered for salvation.