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LordReed:
This was my question again:



You think that this was the only instance? It says ing the NT the god will send a delusion, what is a delusion if not deception?

Already answered it. Because the people want to be deceived. If you want to be deceived, you will be deceived.

ivandragon:
Telling you to stop being clever by half was not an insult. You know fully well the specific qualification(s) in question.

So you would allow someone else fill an application form on your behalf without crosschecking properly & that is the excuse you will give your potential employer & think the job would be yours?


That act alone reeks of incompetence & negligence.

Like you had earlier pointed out, nigeria is corrupt, so I doubt INEC would do much, & hence the cycle of justifying the election of integrity deficient individuals into positions of trust...

So sad...

Lol, he clearly got the job for 8years and he's likely getting another next year. i would rather be that incompetent, lol. You seem to mix up what competence is.
i don't understand what you mean by integrity. Are you saying that Tinubu has no certificate or that he forged his certificate? The two are incorrect anyways but you seem to believe the two or one of them.

Ojuntana:
All those governors I mentioned were of his time.
Duke's legacies did not outlive him how? Which of them? Is it tinapa or Obudu cattle ranch or the modernisation and sanitation of Calabar which gave it the reputation as the cleanest city in Nigeria?
Tinubu was denied only LG funds and it was for 2 years not 8 years of his governorship. He was still getting his state allocation then.
Tinubu was a decent governor but he can't easily be said to be the best governor of his tenure. He doesn't hold a candle to Jakande and Fashola on the list of best performing governors of Lagos

Not really, though i somehow skipped Yaradua for some reason. i've hardly considered him as a performing or outstanding governor. Only that he tried as PRESIDENT in comparison to others in transparency. Only main thing that came up with him as governor then was Sharia. He only became popular when OBJ handpicked him as successor. Duke and Odili were the other real 8 years contemporaries. Akande and Kwakwanso were just 4years and booted out after their first uneventful terms. i'm very sure you cannot name anything outstanding that they did in that period that Tinubu and others did not do. Only Duke can be comparable with Tinubu in achievements and accomplishments and he had Federal backup for the 8years. Tinubu was opposition and a very lonely opposition in the 2nd term. Ibibios and Efiks are culturally and naturally very clean people. You can check same in Akwa-Ibom too. It wasn't Duke that made them so, Duke simply branded it. Just like they are known for their food and negatively house-helps, they are also popular for cleanliness.
Tinapa and Obudu are a shadow of themselves. On the other hand, Tinubu's legacies, vision and planning continued to soar and multiply in Lagos till date. Lagos had/has 20 local governments and Tinubu created 37 more that he called LCDAs. You don't understand how funding 57 things with zero budget entails. Funding for 20 was already a challenge and then you get zero funding for 57 and do a great job. Wow, kudos.
If you can survive without salary for 2years with double responsibilities, come back and talk abeg.

ivandragon:
Stop being clever by half.

The issue here concerns his elementary qualifications. Now, in case you just 'jumped' into my mentions without following my own personal opinion on the matter, I clearly stated that I do believe that BAT has some of those foundational elementary qualifications, however, his reluctance to provide them raises questions...

Could he be hiding something? Age related? Name related? We would never know if he does not clear the air. It is a question of integrity & being above board. It is bad enough he has/had links to illicit drug trafficking, there is no need for him to let this matter fester, except there is something he doesn't want Nigerians to know about his history which would imply that the information would be damaging...

This is a man who provided certificates to the LSHA in 99 (Daley & Chicago) & this was AFTER the military period he claimed all certificates were lost... why change the music 23 years later?

don't you think there is a serious contradiction somewhere?

Lol, you had to resort to insults since you could prove nothing.
Like i said, Tinubu has nothing to prove to you and others asking. If INEC and the people/bodies that matter do not feel dissatisfied, you may take your case to court. The Nigerian Constitution is clear enough.

Section 131 of the Constitution provides requirements as follows:
“A person shall be qualified for election to the office of the President if .......
(d) he has been educated up to at least School Certificate level or its equivalent.”

It does not ask for primary school certificate. It asks for at least O'levels. The schools in the US have provided ABOVE that.
There is no serious contradiction anywhere. It has been clearly stated that Tinubu's form was filled by someone else. It is left for INEC to verify the information if they want to. When you apply to work in a place, most places will usually employ before asking for your certifications/verifications.

[quote author=LordReed post=114198065][/quote]Oh, so you had to quote this yahoo pastor that has nowhere to go. Like i earlier said, anyone that knows God and understands His word cannot be deceived. God wants all men to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Psa 19:7  The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 

The Bible teaches that people can be deceived because they do not love the truth. If you sow hatred for the truth, you will definitely reap deception.

2Th 2:10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 

AIO lied so many times in that post that i lost count, yet you seemingly took it hook, link and sinker.
He says God is given to mendacity and lying, yet can only point out an event. One would think that he'd have at least three or more for his efforts. He lies that his people(Ahab) go to God with an open heart, making honest enquiries. You do know Ahab i believe. He is not related to AIO in anyway and i don't know how Ahab is AIO's people. It's a joke that Ahab of all people is referred to as open hearted and honest.
As you clearly know from the passage, those prophets were not prophets of God but Ahab's prophets and yes-men. King Jehoshaphat immediately saw through the charade and asked for God's prophet.
(WEB)  But Jehoshaphat said, “Isn’t there here a prophet of Yahweh, that we may inquire of him?”

It is then that Ahab reluctantly called Micaiah. You would think that he would have called Elijah right, but he lied that there is one. He clearly knew the ones who would tell him what he wanted to hear. That is not an open or honest heart, it is called an itching ear.

1Ki 22:8  The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is yet one man by whom we may inquire of Yahweh, Micaiah the son of Imlah; but I hate him, for he does not prophesy good concerning me, but evil.” Jehoshaphat said, “Don’t let the king say so.” 

God's prophet summarily came and told him the truth. Imagine that Ahab KNEW the truth and the lie, you have read the account before.
1Ki 22:16  The king said to him, “How many times do I have to adjure you that you speak to me nothing but the truth in Yahweh’s name?” 
1Ki 22:17  He said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. Yahweh said, ‘These have no master. Let them each return to his house in peace.’” 

He was gracious enough to explain the cause of his being deceived, he did not love the truth.

1Ki 22:22  Yahweh said to him, ‘How?’ He said, ‘I will go out and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ He said, ‘You will entice him, and will also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 

Clearly again, we can see here that these prophets were his(Ahab) prophets, not God's prophets. Something very clear from the Bible is that nothing goes on without God's permission. Not necessarily God's will but God's permission. You can clearly see that in the case of Job. God permits a lot of things that are not His will. Some may be due to the fact of cause and consequence. Why God permits is a different world of discussion on its own. But anyone who understands God knows the clear difference between His will and His permission.

Of course, you do know that Ahab put God's prophet in prison despite him telling the truth and exposing everything. You should learn from the Scriptures and be instructed. If you genuinely want the truth, God will reveal it to you. But if you are looking for a noose to hang yourself, God will most likely give you too. Everyone that seeketh findeth.

ivandragon:
Like I said, integrity challenged Nigerians abound.

Thousands have been sacked because of false certificates & here you are giving excuses.

Didn't someone become a Speaker in Nigeria based on misrepresented qualifications?

So because it is BAT, double standards should apply?

Anyway, that is why nigeria is where it is today. Too many supporters of people with integrity deficiencies...

Does Tinubu have false certificates or no certificates? Last i heard, the schools in the US validated his certificates after many people were saying they were forged/Oluwole.So lemme get you correctly. Are you saying that his certificates are forged or that he has no certificates?

ivandragon:
People have had their professorships withdrawn before of infractions or inconsistencies in their past records.

So your reference that because someone worked in some multinational organisations in the past therefore makes past records of such person infallible, does not hold water...

For your information, I am not stuck on the issue, I am simply airing my personal views on the matter. So you may chose to have persons with questionable histories to 'rule' you, some other persons simply want clarifications. After all, what's the big deal in him writing to his former institutions to get records to prove his case?

Well, I guess Nigeria has more integrity deficient individuals than it cares to admit...

Nigeria is a most fantastically corrupt country, nobody is denying that, so it is admitted. That's not the issue of discussion as all the big candidates are fantastically corrupt as well. He doesn't need to apply or write to any institution. You are the ones who need to as you are the ones who need proof. He doesn't owe anyone proof if INEC and the bodies that matter are satisfied.
When you are so interested in a candidate's primary school certificate and fail to consider his competence, experience and results, it shows we've not learned from the past and don't really know what you want. A person has worked with distinction in IOCs and as a two time governor of Lagos state. Same person has higher institutional certificateS from different schools in the US and has presented academic colloquium for over a decade and all you want to see to have peace is his primary school certificate.
Let's get serious please, we're choosing presidents not applying to college of nursing.

Zeezenho:
We're is violence and bigotry in this bro.chill your lord and savior the bodillion kleptomaniac will fail wotowoto nigerians are out for them.no more status quo.tinubu na tabu that will never happen.

Still you ask where violence and bigotry is. You can make your point and market yourself without being abrasive and assuming. Talk intelligently to people of differing opinions. That others have a different viewpoint has nothing to do with lordship or salvation. Stick to the issue of discussion and speak for yourself. The millions of people in support of other parties are not from Togo, they are fellow Nigerians. i don't understand how youths and ipob members are suddenly more Nigerian than people not in support of Peter Obi. Live and let live, you are still neophytes in politics compared to the people you're contesting against.

This is a rural area. You can clearly see 90% is nature, trees, hills and local farms. When are we going to be educated? How is a rural area an achievement in 2022?

LordReed:
You understand why your god uses deception? Pray tell.

Where did God use deception? i said that understanding God and His Word will help to have a balanced and clearer view of God. Who told you that lying is not good but the same God.

Zeezenho:
Stop deciving yourself and other small minded people.lagos was the capital city of Africa biggest economy since 18th century lots of federal development and found raising infrastructures Lagos internal revenue generation is bigger that 10 African countries put together any governor will do well in Lagos even a certified kleptomaniac like tinubu .for your record tinubu was the worst governor in the history of Lagos.tell me the governor that tinubu surpassed his achievement's.

Okay, you are free to express your opinions.

Zeezenho:
You are a very sophisticated duns bro.how can you tell me that a beautiful edifice without a planned foundation is ok are you serious right now? history is there for us to take corrections from. Buhari a man without certificate have thought us never to trust anyone without it .

This same klepto talked nigerians into buhari, promised us el dorado but gave us hell in return. now you wan sane people to reward his lies decites that brought us hardship poverty and deaths with presidency? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Tinubu is a tabu that will never happen may God forbid.

Work on yourself, you are a human being, not an animal that you are trying hard to be. Make your point and vote for the candidate of your choice without violence and bigotry.

EzegeNdiigbo:
Oga the thing still persist after all the thing they mentioned same as yours

That's difficult to believe, maybe he's not doing it right.
He needs to be delivered and also willing/ready to be delivered. He should go to an anointed and holy minister to help him.

LordReed:
I see religions as people guessing at what is in a room no one knows what is inside. There could be treasure, poop or nothing, no one knows but the religions take a firm stand anyway on what they claim is in there.

Really? While you may not know, millions of people know what God has done for them, in them, for their families, health and life. And they trust Him for the eternity part.

LordReed:
Understanding what?

Understanding of God and of the Bible.

Ojuntana:
Donald Duke, Peter Odili, Bisi Akande, Kwankwaso and Musa Yaradua

Oh, i thought you were referring to governors "in his time". Lol at Akande and Odili though. Even Duke's legacies found it hard to outlive him though i like the guy. Tinubu's governance despite being denied funds by the FG and being the only governor in opposition in the SW for 4years is phenomenal.

ivandragon:
Hence, the reason why reasonable people are calling for a clarification so we can move on.

Pmb with even worse deficiencies became president & even got a 2nd term. At the end of the day, Nigerians can only appeal to the conscience of BAT to come clean, if he refuses, nothing will happen & he will still, most probably, be president.

Move on already. Someone found academically fit enough to work with Mobil, Delloite and others should not be your academic concern. Someone who has organized colloquium for over 10 years, perhaps you don't know the meaning/import.
People should find more salient issues, not drawing on continually on irrelevant things.

Ojuntana:
Tinubu was not exceptional as governor in his time. I can easily name five governors that were more prolific in terms of performance than he was.
Most of the great strides recorded in Lagos then was the handwork of Fashola.
Thus it was said then, Fashola ti s'Eko d'irorun
Tinubu and his media goons just keep making false claims that everything in Lagos is due to Tinubu

Name the five please.

cool318:
Keep decieving yourself. If don't have kids now, you will have it later. What legacy are you leaving for them. Where over 100 SAN will come to law court to defend a NEPA Certificate holder.
If you are not suffering now, you will or descendants later.
A Bottle of Medium stout is now #600.
These things don't work in Nigeria according to you, doesn't make it right.

According to Tai Solarin " Men heap together the mistakes of their life and create a Monster called Destiny"

It's sad this is now Nigeria's destiny where people without certificate, cattle rearers man the helm of affairs in Nigeria.

They claim school Certificate is useless, yet all their children are schooling in the UK

Don't stress your emotions as you said, the boat is still rocking.

Nobody says education is not important, get the point clear. The law asks for at least O'levels for the political positions. All these men have much more than that and are well educated and exposed than that. Tinubu for instance has worked in International Organizations and capacities. The conversation of him having primary certificate is pointless and just a part of Nigeria's problems. We have so many certificates but they are useless. GEJ had a PhD and was as clueless. The governance of Tinubu speaks volumes for him far above the other fellow contestants.

LordReed:
My guess is they bring up freewill or something like it.

Understanding.

Adexxi:
Present us the certificate , then case close. Afefe ti fe ati ri furo adiye .
Enikure

If i understand the requirements well, he's required to present at least a Olevels certificate. Since he has something greater than that, he can present it. This is not jamb or 100L screening. Even 100L screening, i don't think i had to present anything primary school. People should deal with real issues, not these time wasting things. There are many people in colleges with primary and secondary school certificate and nothing upstairs. How long are we going to dwell on trivialities for God's sake?

phantomthread:
The fact you do not see anything wrong with somebody vying for the highest office in the land despite having a constantly-changing biography is emblematic of the problem with Nigerians. We are never moving forward.

Somebody will steal from you, like to you about who they are, then come and ask you for vote and you accept it unquestioningly. Abeg shine your eye

i like the shine your eye part very well. It's because i am shining it that i can see that all the aspirants are hopeless thieves and liars. And the shining shows Tinubu has having the better pedigree of the four/three top candidates.

cool318:
Guy are you high on drugs or what?
What effontery do you have to drag ASUU in this matter. When your clueless govt was using 100 million and paying delegates 100k dollars each, you didn't tell them to meet ASUU's demands.
Let Tinubu show his certificate if he has vision and value as you claim

What Tinubu has presented is enough to win him a senator, governor and president position. Don't stress your emotions, campaign for your candidate objectively. People like you wasted so much time disturbing airspace about Buhari's certificate to no avail. The point is these things don't work in Nigeria.

phantomthread:
Mindsets like this is why Nigeria is the way it is.

This is not Big Brother Naija, not everything is about winning an election.

It's about values and transparency. Let us know who this man that wants to be our President truly is. Why is his academic record inconsistent? Why can't he concretely state when and where he went to school? That isn't a lot to ask—every other candidate has already provided that information. What does it say about Nigeria that a presidential aspirant of a major party does not know where he went to primary and secondary school, that the story is always changing?

Dr. Professor GEJ and the guy in cross rivers that speaks big grammar for budget. How their certificate help us? Na this useless certificate people use pursue that Ogun woman finance minister and put someone with so called certificate there.
A so called certificate less Tinubu has more vision and value than the whole ASUU. You guys should change this mindset, it's not working for Nigeria.

prince3009:
And then with this your assertion, Jesus should come down from heaven and become your president?

Oga speak for yourself!

Obi is our choice!!

The best among them in terms of competence and non bias is Tinubu. He's large hearted and visionary. Still a thief though. Obi can't lace the shoes of Fashola or Donald Duke in terms of competence.

i come dey pity Lamidi Kanu sha. He's being neglected for the egyptian.

prince3009:
So what's your point?

That they are all bad choices and no one should be deceived that there's any saviour amongst them.

Balistic4:
lol, keep deceiving yourself, find a more serious Grammer to back up this jargon you've written up there. Did Obi tell you he was docile while serving Anambra state? What about seeing this as a chance for the three independent arms of the government to be truly independent? You still want a state where senate will be begging presidency to proscribe terrorists?

It's "grammar".

Mind you, voting for your faith doesn't mean voting for Christian or Muslim in an election but voting for what will benefit and not hamper your faith. The US usually have acclaimed Christian contestants/candidates and the people vote for people they think share their faith ideals on things like abortion, homosexuality etc.
So don't get it wrong, we may have a docile so called Christian like GEJ has president and they keep ransacking churches and kidnapping Christians. For one, Tinubu has shown from his days in Lagos government that he has no such bigotry. His wife is an acclaimed Christian pastor. He has selected two Christian governors and a Christian vice president and worked across tribe and religion for decades. He approves even people from other tribes to be Commissioners in Lagos state, something very much unheard of in other zones of the country.
Atiku is fulani and a fulani just spent 8years there. i don't see any sterling leadership qualities in him not found better and practically in Tinubu. They are both thieves BTW. They don't have godfathers and can't be easily manipulated by any cabal or whoever.
Obi on the other hand has an history as an impeached governor, he will likely spend the whole time whining/complaining about senate majority tying his hands. More so, his support base tendencies for tribalism, violence and ipobic treatment against any opposition is worrisome and Obi's silence is already deafening.

Lovelive:
Lagos, is it a country on its own or.... ?



Any Nigerian can live anywhere in the country so drop the silly argument and recalibrate your up stairs.

Peter Obi lives in Lagos. Why not Anambra that he turned to Dubai? Like the OP showed, Obi is not a saviour by any margin or definition. He's the average, usual Nigerian governor. The ipobforce packaging and tribal/religious undertone of his campaign(ers) is very worrisome.

lol, FFK sef dey talk. When is he decamping, hungry man.

Looks very tribal for a million man march, these ones are not serious yet.