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hahn:
Only fools believe in things that can't be proven

It cannot be proven that there is no God, duh. It actually makes more sense that there must be a God. Psalm 14 you quote?

emmasege:
Countless number of zombies are currently dying silently over their choice of Buhari but pride and shame would not make them come out.

RIP Etisalat. Same Etisakat that was the talk of the town in GEJ days? GEJ brought you good luck while Bubu brought you bad luck, so deal with the consequences of your choice.

Don't be a nuisance. MTN had about $5billion to pay under this administration, they did not drown. Etisalat went and borrowed less than $2billion and drowned within the same time.

Bolustical:
Reno Omokri is a mockery to common sense and constructive reasoning,

Going by his fallacious logic,

Ben Murray Bruce (the CommonNonsense Twitter Senator) whose STV/Galleria AMCON took over last year backed PMB too,

RAYMOND Dokpesi who could not pay his staff backed PMB,

Bayelsa state governor(with just 8 LGAs) who is owing backlog of salaries supported PMB too,

Everyone knows that Etisalat's problems were as a result of mismanagement,

Well, not surprised, Reno's stupidity will appeal to the REDMUDDERS, DRUG PEDDLERS, DEVELOPERS & UNITY BEGGARS.

They are his mugus.

Etisalat that their main ambassador openly ported from them last year or was it two years ago. Folks should have known that all was not well with them.

hopefulLandlord:
I wasn't aware he edited till he told me

we should always try as much as possible to separate the author from a message, that's the reasonable thing to do, if you feel its a mess of a message he's passing across then show readers what's "messy" about the message

Okay

HardMirror:
I am sorry, but the basic requirement to comment on this thread is COMMON SENSE. your attention will be called when I spot a thread that does not require such basic requirement in sexuality section.

You know that i don't do such section, interestingly that's the second place you spend your time outside the religion section. The hypocrisy. Anyways, i read the edited OP and my comment still stands, you are obsessed with the supernatural. There's hardly a difference between your OP and the rituals you castigate. Your pictures proved and showed(you know it already) NOTHING. The next poster can pick those pictures and use his own figures and scripts. Try to be detailed so as to start ending up saying something.

hopefulLandlord:
when they have nothing sensible that can counter a topic they start focusing on the author and his (supposed) character instead

Poisoning The Well fallacy

There was nothing on the OP except a picture when i commented. i see it has now been edited and would respond accordingly. i saw/read him just talking about juju meals on some other thread, that's why. There's no attack on him, we cannot separate the author from the mess of a message BTW. It would be unrealistic and unreasonable.

The obsession with the supernatural is real? Why are you not satisfied with your new found religion?

so Jo, giving the benefit of doubt, i googled this metcy tv you mentioned. They are on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ChristMercyLand1

The bulk of the videos there are one show or the other about prophecy. Again, where is the main message you mentioned? It is not just for someone to scream or for people to fall down or for someone to mention some random thing, like say yellow colour. The member says that's my car colour. Someone in the background starts screaming prophesyyyyyyyyyyyyy, phd grandmaster in prophecy. That's unfortunate, i wonder how the Holy Spirit feels about these happenings.

Joagbaje:
That's not our point . Whatever boast he supposedly made is his choice . It has nothing to do with the gift and office . Are you not doing your I better pass my Neighbour here ? It's personal character . The spirit of the prophet is subject to him

Also , clip from YouTube may not be the best place . I will recommend you watch mercy Tv. Live service or repeat of live service . YouTube is cut and paste . That's no 1 then the second issue is

Funny you, so what is "our" point? You said What's your proof that the individuals you accused are practicing such. i went on youtube to search for an example of what myself and the OP talked about. Examples of showmen and conmen who have no message to give, who have nothing important to reveal, no glory to God etc. i give you proof and ask you to show me the main message you claimed that they preach. Now you are saying it's not our point? i watched that video and i saw NO gift or office. i do not claim to be better than anyone. If a spirit is not of God or something is unscriptural, the common sense and Bible way is to state it. That is logical enough.
You just asked to prove all things when you directed your 'gun' at me, but you smirk holier than thou when proof is given that something is unreasonable and unscriptural. Check yourself mr Jo.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

What is mercy tv? i don't have all day to go sit at some tv looking for false prophets. If you have anything specific in mind, say it or send a link.
So what's the second issue BTW?

Joagbaje:
Well the Bible says to prove all things and why mention it then if you can't line it up with the word for scrutiny . What are you afraid of?

i believe this is the verse you had in mind.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Hold fast to what is good. Hold on to the Word of God and not to my experience, you certainly do not need my experience. i simply mentioned it so that you know that i've seen the original before, it's different from the scam and sham.

So you have the GIFT of discernment and I don't have the gift of discernment abi? ( IM HOLIER THAN THOU SPIRIT)

What you have is rather suspicion .

You specifically asked if i had it, remember? Having gifts have very little to do with holiness. If you feel you are not holy, that is your business, not mine. It is not my fault you have guilt trip so stop the cheap blackmail.

E se pupo oga . I'm only defending my stand from your criticism.

What is your stand, you have not shown to have any so far. Are there false prophets and false miracle workers? How do we know them?

Topgainer:
Stop arguing with Pastor Joe Agbaje over this. He is free to side any camp, however, it is a shame when people who ought to know fail to know.
For the benefit of the public, that Prophet up there ( I can't remember his name and I don't care, but I recognized his face) is a close friend of one Snr Prophet Emmanuel that operates from Owerri, Imo state and Rivers State. The Prophet Emmanuel is involved in ritual prostitution and recruitment of Nekede and Imsu students into his ring. Any girl he sleeps with is never herself again though he pays them big. Usually, it starts with prolonged and irregular menstruation as if anytime he whitles from his coven, blood starts pouring from the victims. It is not a coincedence because such reports come from other talknado Prophet Dr and Apostle Dr is some other cities.
They are all amateur sorcerers hatched from the same Beast of Revelations 19:20.
They will thrive in stage shows, magic and miracle performances Rev 6:2 but God's word and Holy Spirit is not in them. They kill people week in, week out through deception and lying wonders to sustain the wand. I witnessed one charade from another member of the gang who is based in Abuja but has branches in big Nigeria cities. He healed a Diabetic woman pegged to a wheel chair for the show because the woman could actually walk although with difficulty, she was also partially blind. The Camera crew focused on the woman and the Prophet performed the wonders, She can see and she can walk, the Diabetes gone. Few days after, it was a midweek service, a vehicle drove in long before the time for the service, it was the woman, her daughter and a man, she is now completely paralyzed, completely blind and could barely complete a phrase. According to her daughter, her condition became worse on getting home following that purported healing. So, they have come for re- healing. I came early that day, was outside the complex and was opportuned to witness the drama.
One of the bouncers a.k.a protocols pulled away made a call and came back announcing to the woman that Prophet travelled and they literally forced them to go home.
T.B Joshua's inventions and it is spreading like a wildfire.

https://www.nairaland.com/1479564/avoid-these-nigerian-ghanian-pastors

Quite unfortunate, peopld should follow God's Word and not be deceived by false prophets.

Up there, he prescribed salt or so, here it's bitter kola. He ridicules all his listeners fathers, elevates himself as solution provider and killer as well, lol. Then claimed being father of one man that looks his mate or senior. Nothing holy or glorious or edifying in all these. I've looked for any videos of the man giving the "main message" Jo talked about, I cannot find it. Jo, kindly help a brother here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mn1IdZld8U&itct=CB8QpDAYDiITCPHbldDPstQCFZeaVQodxpIPbDILYzQtdmlkZW9zLXVaGFVDdm5IcnRkLXR4VWJKZDNnOTRKTmNQZw%3D%3D&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=NG

Okay, so I've never seen or heard this man before 15mins ago ever. But to possibly help Jo and others, i searched on YouTube for an example of what we are saying. You can watch the sham though it's a waste of data really. Very unfortunate and unbiblical. Nothing godly whatsoever but more of diabolical and traditional.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbsF8gR6cg&itct=CAkQpDAYDSITCM_3jb_MstQCFQumVQodLmYHXVIicHJvcGhldCBjYWxscyBtZW1iZXJzIHBob25lIG51bWJlcg%3D%3D&client=mv-google&gl=NG&hl=en

Joagbaje:
What's your proof that the individuals you accused are practicing such .



Nice . That's just what the people you're accusing are doing



Give details . Let's scrutinize it



How you know? So do you have it?



People criticize what they lack knowledge about .

Who are the individuals I accused? There's no need or point for me to prove my experience to you. There's a spirit/gift of discernment, God's Word says so. Yes, i have it by His grace. You're criticising what I'm saying, so by your logic you lack knowledge of what I'm saying. See?

petra1:
Any proof? Or assumption



So you didn't watch it yourself to have a first hand info. But rather judging by hear say . Jusge righteously brother. Don't label Gods people by bias . Find out from their perspective

i was very clear that is why i asked that you send me the main messages. All i see are what i wrote earlier, their programmes are filled with the gimmickry. Kindly ask God for discernment, you lack it but need it. Show men are not God's people, we know God's people by their fruits.

tuniski:
Hmmmm when debate is lost.......! Enlightenment I like that word how about healing thyself, ciao.

How? You said BDC is black market. That's unfortunate, you need to know. Ignorance is bliss they say, but you should cure it and move on in life. There's nothing to discuss, debate or argue with someone who doesn't know what is being discussed. Get a grasp of the issues before coming to hype your boss.

petra1:
its to open the faith of the individual or get their attention to the main message . Does the prophet stop at phone numbers? why do we emphasise only on the phone numbers ? what about the main message the prophet gives.




They do if need be and why do you think they don't? when a prophet tells a woman you need to forgive your husband . is that not edification, and repentance. when a prophet tells a man " you're suffering from so and so because you abandoned your family " and he gives further instruction. is that not repentance ? why do we swell on the minor part of the prophecy and criticise and forget the main message of the prophecy. No prophet stops at phone numbers they always give a message thereafter. but here we leave the major message and focus the minor.

Most cases, it only opens the pockets and the souls of the hearers for merchandise. Please send me some of the main messages. The so called prophets spend the bulk if not all of their services and TV shows calling irrelevant data and people hailing them, then some more dance and show, and of course advertisement.

Joagbaje:
What do you mean by gimmickry and how can you know a strangers phone number and house address by it.




What's your understanding of words of knowledge

Gimmickry is the use of gimmicks, tricks to attract attention. Magicians do that all the time. Those are not prophets. The Word of Knowledge is a gift of the Holy Spirit involving information previously unknown to the person being used by the Holy Spirit. It is a power gift used for the glory of God and the evangelisation of the people. Usually, God would reveal some information either in that person's language or about that person. USEFUL information, like a coming danger, or deceit or an action by the person, or a sickness and dire situation. It is usually followed by solution and often leads to salvation and holy living. And glory to God, i have seen and witnessed it before, not dem say.
There is also the Gift of Discernment which is one of the gifts of the Spirit, i wish you had it. It is very important because you would see these rubbish/scam with ease, almost unexplainable.

tuniski:
It is not criminal point of correction parallel market is only an offshoot of govt inefficiency. Abi BDC are criminal forex market? U tried but criminalizing parallel market is actually criminal!
Even POTUS takes a lot of selfies and is it cool why always fayose? Anything he does even when very normal, it is being spinned in bad light.
The issue of fuel scarcity is mainly cos Fayose insisted on demolishing illegal structures within the premises of filling stations. QED.

Mr Man, i guess you are being paid to defend Fayose, no problem. We'd just ignore i guess, economy is hard. Bureau De Change is not black market, kindly go and read up or be enlightened.

tuniski:
Oh, you prefer the fake picture from choice areas whereas a lot live in ghettos? Abegi realness is not gutter Fayose is real! By the way, why are they all copying him? Ii mean those elite insulting albeit when seeking votes?

It's unfortunate that you don't understand the gravity of what you are saying or what Fayose did. In every sane place in the world, black market is a clandestine market or transaction which has some aspect of illegality or is characterized by some form of noncompliant behavior with an institutional set of rules. It definitely involves tax evasion.
In other words, they are criminals and no public figure should openly condone crime for any reason. The sale of adulterated fuel is quite dangerous both to human health and machine. Asides the physical damage, there's hardly a good measure of the product. I can write a book on the dangers but that aside. The governor's action only help to sabotage his state economy. The governor is not responsible for signing or giving permission to fuel stations, I think that's DPRs work in every state. A situation where the Ekiti governor insist on cancelling permission and making all permission to pass through his desk is an aberration and gross abuse of office and misplaced priority. Now, for over a month, all fuel station businesses, attendants, suppliers have had to suffer some loss or the other due to this. Jobs would be lost and businesses grounded, state IGR reduced and much more. You see, there's a bigger picture than taking photos with people. Anybody can do that, leadership is more responsible than taking of selfies.

tuniski:
Tell me what is unfit about it? Is it eating amala or buying fuel that we all do except u belong to the micro mini class who are holding us in bondage? Fayose remains rooted and connected to the commoner. Afterall, they are the actual voters.

e.g We don't all buy fuel from black marketers and pose for pictures doing it.

Joagbaje:
The prophetic is both gift and office . Very important in the body of christ . There have been several attacks on that precious gift .

Many doubts claiming that the prophecy is a guess work . But when it's proven beyond doubt that it's supernatural. Then comes in the next attack " FALSE PROPHET"

Now I don't subscribe to those who ask for money . Because Jesus was clear

Matthew 10:8
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

If there's no tendency to demand for money Jesus wouldn't have mentioned it. But that doesn't deny it's Gods gift . A man who commercializes it will fade away. He looses his reward . Because he has paid himself . Many die untimely . God has his way of judgment. But the gift is of God . We should not condemn a holy office because of mans failing . That's what Satan want to achieve

Is there no prophetic ministry in the body or in the earth anymore ? If there is why do we despise the real Office


1 Thessalonians 5:20
20 Despise not prophesyings.

If anything, you are actually despising prophesy by ridiculing it to the level of calling numbers and addresses. There's nothing holy or prophetic about that. It's called gimmickry and entertainment. Prophecy edifies and glorifies God. Prophecy brings people closer to God, His worship, and to holy living, readiness for heaven and reverence for God. Stop equating showmen and conmen to prophets. It's a disgrace.

tuniski:
And bbuhari's capacity is to destroy nigeria abi!

To you, it has to be about APC versus PDP. I'm not a politician sorry. When I see bad and poor governance, I say it. The actions of governor Fayose on this thread are poor and bad, unfit and unfortunate of any leader to do.

Tilda143:
May God save us.. That was how I was invited to a church last Friday for vigil. ..someone invited my aunty and I decided to go with her. During the service, the prophet said who is destiny, God is about to deliver you. I went out and he mentioned my house address, the route I followed to his church, what has been bothering my mind. He said some people don't want me to succeed and started praying. He asked me to see him the next day after service. My mum followed me the next day and a visitor prophet was there. The visitor prophet said my mum has been suffering of diabetes for so many years and it was caused by somebody. My said said yes she has diabetes.. The man said he saw me enter keke and the guys in the keke drove somewhere and raped me and he really wants to help us. I know I enter keke to work. He said I should get him 30,000 naira that he wants to use it for something to help us right away.. Later he asked me how much I have in my account, I lied that I have 50,000 he said I should bring 40,000 not 30,000 again and if I can't bring it he won't help my mum and I.. The next thing, the other prophet who is the owner of the church just knelt down and said oh God pls convert these pple to my church.. .i over heard him although he prayer it silently.. I just smiled and told them I don't have that kind of money to give, the prophet said I should go and use my atm or go home and bring it bcus they want to help me.. I said nobody is at home and I don't have.. That was how I left with my mum..

What got me disturbed is all Wat they said about the prophecy is true but why the money? Bcus I didnt give them money they couldn't give us prayer points or at least tell us to fast....i don't know if there is any prayer that is done with money

They use the spirit of divination, it is an evil spirit. It never brings one to God or brings glory to God. It can make money for its masters as seen in Acts 16. Stay with the Word of God, not with signs and wonders.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

tuniski:
Hatred won't reduce the man. He has far more capacity and understands leadership more than those who insult him.

Capacity to impoverish his people you mean? He's the state governor for crying out loud.

This is very unfortunate. Ekiti state has the lowest IGR in the South West by the way. It seems divinity is involved in Ekiti's punishment.

Assignment is not from God.

onyenze123:
17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”

18 So Jesus said to him,“Why do you call Me good? No one is good but one,that is, God.

19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’”

20 And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.”

21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “ One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come,>take up the cross, and follow me.”

22 But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Mark 17 - 22

My Christian friends are you ready to sell all your possession to the poor, pick up your cross and truly follow Christ?

For it is written in Mark 10:25: " It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Make your choice today. Happy Sunday.

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Every individual has their peculiar ONE THING. It may not be wealth for some. For Abraham, it looked like his son Isaac. It could be your job, your wife, position etc. ANything that comes between you and God, that you make a god of. For some, it could be soccer. And on and on. That's the point you are missing.

TrajansKong:
The utter, arrant stupidity of that last sentence is why I can no longer seriously engage with our people who profess Christianity. Even as sarcasm it makes no sense whatsoever.

You've never seriously engaged anyone all through life. Do you even know the meaning of serious? The fellow said he fasted and prayed, yet i know him as an unbeliever. A serious minded person should ask who he fasted and prayed to. Pity you probably can't still grasp that. You've gotten that coveted attention, now run along.

HardMirror:
problem is the prayers never work, but I so seeking a better solution to expensive surgeries that the poor families have to fund. Do you have any suggestions

Eeyah, sorry you. However, you seem to have done absolutely nothing else given your level of concern and claims and better thinking than we believers. Who do you pray and fast to as an unbeliever?

lepasharon:
and who made the humans?

God, remember?

Watch this straight one though, don't lemme literally tamper with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSm53M-54Q0&itct=CD8Q3DAYACITCOqN197YmNQCFQS0VQodhn4ELFoYVUNETU9FajZsbmVaV2dycC1yOEtxWElR&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en