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Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:45pm On May 03, 2016
AccidentalGenius:
Life is precious. Dont live it as a hypocrite
Don't die as a sinner, Jesus loves you.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:44pm On May 03, 2016
seemples:
But you wouldn't know that till he's been positively identified. He remains fake as is.
If you say so. You are quite a suspicious person. Anyway, seeing some of his other threads like the one he lied outrightly in the name of sarcasm, i understand your distrust. But again, i think he is telling the truth.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:42pm On May 03, 2016
urahara:
Your analogy essentially says that no matter the seriousness of the disease . u gats get treated in the hospital. This u related with hell in saying that no matter how small ur sin is u must surely get tortured.

............... Xtians trying to use logic to explain their illogical beliefs since 30 ad
The analogy said cancer and stomach ache are treated in the hospital despite being contrasting in severity. In hell, all sinners go there despite the contrast in severity of sin. Oh Lord, open his brain.
In the hospital they don't all get the same treatment or feel the same pain. In hell likewise, they don't all get the same treatment or feel the same pain.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:38pm On May 03, 2016
frank317:
Hmmm .... Paul prayed three times for a need, David's son died even after praying for him, the bind man in the posters case didn't receive his sight despite all the prayers. Yet there are many more similar cases as u stated. Just one question... What is the lesson to be learnt from unanswered prayers? What is God's objective for not answering prayers?
You might say we don't know God's mind right? This answer (if u use it) is synonymous to "it has no objective".

But can't u just see beyond the box? It's just coincidence. Good and bad thing happens to anybody... No one is special, I mean if u claim to be a special child of the almighty creator, with access to all the goody goodies promised in the Bible... Why are u still living in the uncertainty of this world. Why would God not heal the blind man and still not tell the pastor anything?

No excuses... God be like... "I wil not chose to answer, even if u pray down fire, even if u have faith bigger than mountain, I will only answer at my own time and I own u no explanation. But if u get frustrated, I will burn u in hell"

Remind me why u guys worship God again.
i don't know if there is any lesson. People take away different things at different times from an event. Maybe that God is sovereign. That you do not know something does not necessarily mean that "it has no objective". Do you know all things?
Good and bad thing happens to anybody, that is clearly stated in the Bible. God promised that bad things will only stop when He 'launches' the new earth and new heaven. On our earth here, good and bad things happen and tears are not yet wiped away. That is my point that it is not a new discovery but clearly taught in the Scriptures. That someone became an atheist at discovering this shows he did not look well before he leaped, he did not read the fine prints of the contract. He was probably inclined to the popular 'prosperity gospel' that teaches that once you give your life to Christ, its jolly jolly all the way. Jesus came to save people from sin, all the rest is addition and probability. Though of course, there are some laid down laws and principle that if obeyed will bring results. e.g giving laws, diligence, planning, importunity etc.
Also, children of God are special, like in the sense that God is likely to give them preferential treatment ahead of others if He is to act. If i do something well and pray, and you do something well and don't pray, i will get a better result than you. If i pray as a christian, and you pray as a sinner, i will get a expected answer to my prayer before you. Then, God wants us to trust Him, instead of demanding an explanation for His actions. That's the way He is, just saying.
We worship God because He is Creator and Lord of our lives.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:22pm On May 03, 2016
urahara:
But i am asking if they are going to be tortured na.
Do you want them to be tortured?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 10:21pm On May 03, 2016
wirinet:
Omo, see ignorance being advertised. where did you read that the big bang started 4.6 billion years ago?
Who told you that the earth suddenly evolved from a conglomerate of chunks into continents and ocean and atmosphere etc due to collision and radioactive decay ? I even wonder what the gibberish you wrote above means. Are you sure you are sober or mentally stable, i suggest you test for cerebral malaria. To cap your ridiculous understanding of cosmology, you said you got A writing this trash.

If you need basic education on the big bang theory, a kind nairalander has provided free lessons here -https://www.nairaland.com/3080255/physics-seun-understanding-scientific-theories .

Take this advantage to educate yourself and stop spewing ignorance about.
i did not say that the big bang was 4.6billion years ago, the big bang is said to be like 14billion or so years ago. i clearly said that earth evolved(or is said to have evolved) about 4.6billion years ago. Read carefully.
You likely don't know much about the "story"apart from what you probably read on the internet, we paid and were taught, examined and graded. No be grade myself, no vex. The thing/gist is that the formation of planet earth is a part of the process that allegedly began with the big bang "creation" of the universe. The two of them are birds of the same feather, they are not reasonable. Reading back at my post now, i realize i did not break that down and state the proper context, probably leading to your poor comprehension.
On earth formation, ask your science friends(telling you to get a formal education on it may be expensive and time consuming) physics, earth science etc who have being taught about how the world/planet earth was formed. They will explain to you how earth evolved from a conglomerate of chunks due to some collision and radioactive decay. i'm not too magnanimous today to help break it down or make it formal for you.
You see you also wondered with me the gibberish, the very reason why i said it is not reasonable. That is the paraphrase of what they are saying about the beginning of the earth, which is a process occurring after the initial big bang stuff of the universe. Thanks for the link sent, i skimmed through, not too different from what we were taught. That is just the start BTW, that's the Universe. However, it shows the same point i have made, it is unreasonable.
Understand my context of the use of that word by the way. When i say something is unreasonable, i'm not exactly saying it is untrue. i use the word in the atheistic context of logic, analysis, rational, commonsense, scientific. In the same vein i can say that the Resurrection or any Biblical miracle is unreasonable. Though that would likely offend my people. But in context, what i am saying is that it is not commonsense or something one can rationalize. If you read textbooks and researchers and scientists on the big bang and formation of the planet etc, they will talk about likelihood. They don't say it with all the new found confidence we hear especially when used as a tool against creationism. They make inferences and most likely, probable, possible explanations of what they think occurred. It's mainly imaginative and not assertive.
The big bang is relied on by faith, nobody is really sure. It is just the current best and probable explanation of how the universe started. Tomorrow, new discoveries and theories can be made.
i'm not for or against the big bang theory. What i know is that whatever way it happened, God created Heaven and Earth. What atheists try to say is that the process happened without God, that's where we majorly disagree. In summary, the big bang is a belief thing, the most sensible explanation by science. However, even the explanation make no scientific sense, it is more of a miracle. Matter don't just collide and form planets and stars and oceans and planets etc .
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Joseph Prince Really Say This? by Image123(m): 9:48pm On May 03, 2016
promise101:
Show a single biblical proof
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Some christians were getting it wrong as regards circumcision to be saved, the Holy Ghost corrected them. Same with Peter and Barnabas who through Paul were corrected by the Holy Ghost for dissimulation.
Politics › Re: Buhari Returns Budget For The 3rd Time, Demands Final Copy by Image123(m): 9:40pm On May 03, 2016
amaechi1:
In life Don't sign what you can't defend.
Ecc 7:16 Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

He made the first mistake with the padded budget and missing budget brouhaha. He should thread with wisdom, he's not dealing with born again people. Rome or whatever destination he is trying to get to was not built in a day. He has 3 other budgets to prepare, it is time for work already. Make hay while the sun shines.
Politics › Re: Buhari Returns Budget For The 3rd Time, Demands Final Copy by Image123(m): 9:36pm On May 03, 2016
madridguy:
Let him take a year to sign the budget if that is what will bring the positive change I voted for. Enough of Trial and error budget. Under the Satanic Party " PDP " budget is signed in less than a week after the exchange of Ghana must go. PMB: I will not bribe anyone for the budget and that is why the legis-looters there are trying to paddle to the budget for their own selfish interest.

GOD BLESS THE DAY I VOTED FOR SAI BABA.
Bros, budget implementation is the real work. Not all these film trrick that Buhari is playing. He should sign the budget already, is it the book of life? What is all these nonsense for God's sake? It's not funny na. They should start work.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 9:32pm On May 03, 2016
swaggzo:

DEEP DOWN, YOU KNOW YOU'RE FULL OF SHIIT AND THIS IS AN ENTIRELY FULISH QUESTION .
smiley
You say this by faith or what? Common, use some logical thinking. Don't get all emotional on me.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 9:30pm On May 03, 2016
urahara:
They both end up in the hospital to be tortured ba.

Your analogy is so not making sense
They both end up in the hospital despite the varying and even contrasting degree of sickness, that is the analogy. Do you know what an analogy is?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 9:29pm On May 03, 2016
montezz:
Try again...
Reality is not always about trying again.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 8:50pm On May 03, 2016
swaggzo:

A MAN WHO KILLS THOUSANDS AND ANOTHER MAN WHO'S CRIME IS JUST A SMALL LIE, WILL BOTH END UP IN HELL.


HOWS THAT JUSTICE? ?
undecided
A man has cancer and another stomach ache. They both end up in the hospital. Fair?
Politics › Re: National Grazing Bill Still Active In National Assembly - Vanguard by Image123(m): 8:32pm On May 03, 2016
P0intBlank:
It's just today the President said what I had been expecting him to say all the while
It's just today YOU heard. He's been saying whatever you heard before today.i'm certain many fulanis and herdsmen will not hear whatever you heard today. We hope concrete actions are taken though.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 4:00pm On May 03, 2016
davien:
Unreasonable to the ignorant of processes such as the tectonic activities that shape the planet and isotopic cross-correlations that make the earth 4.65 billion years old, etc... Go open a book other than fairy tales and get the education you clearly need on these subjects...
That's not the big bang, don't be sharper than your self.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:36pm On May 03, 2016
davien:
In the context of science yes, but for the uneducated or willfully ignorant no...
About 4.6billion years ago, does that even make sense? Anyway, earth suddenly evolved from a conglomerate of chunks into continents and ocean and atmosphere etc due to collision and radioactive decay. Temperature rose to 2000'C bla bla bla. This is absolute poppycock though i scored an A or so writing this thrash. Sir, it is unreasonable.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:28pm On May 03, 2016
otemanuduno:
The supernatural is indeed real. All the gods indeed existed, including your god called Yahweh/Allah who is the most jealous of them all. After the First world was over, the real God, Domino Reverad commanded that the gods should not have anything to do with humans again. And all the gods, from the history of the past events of the past world of the home erectus, etc. which they have gathered, they made up books. Yahweh made up his own also, copying from other gods like Krish(hence the word Christ), Brahma(changed to Abraham), Asherah(goddess edited to Sarah), god called Sol(hence a change of name to Saul, then to Paul), Appolo(left unchanged but used in the Bible), Sin(changed to mean evil).

Now the WORD was with Yahweh already. What was left for him was to control our own world with that word. Then he began to give these word to the scribes to write them down. Little wonder it was written that ANY SPIRIT THAT SAYS JESUS DOES NOT COME IN THE FLESH IS AN ANTICHRIST.
you know, when you know that people will suspect you, you put down stuffs like that. And the funniest aspect of it is Hebrews 11. Faith is the SUBSTANCE OF THINGS HOPED FOR, THE EVIDENCE OF THINGS NOT SEEN.

All the people who existed thousands of years before JESUS CHRIST have been seen in the books of histories and their images are everywhere, but JESUS CHRIST and all his disciples are totally NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. not even a single picture of our loving JESUS was found, yet they made him king of KINGS and he rode on donkey. LIARS.

I PITY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY CAME IN THE FLESH IN THIS OUR OWN WORLD.
Oops, what exactly do you want?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:17pm On May 03, 2016
SirWere:
We do not completely know, but the most reasonable explanation right now is the big bang theory.
The big bang is reasonable?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:04pm On May 03, 2016
swaggzo:
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YOU SOUND HORNIY.
What does it mean to be horniy?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:03pm On May 03, 2016
frank317:
Nice evation and excuse Mr logic. So much for an all powerful God who promised all and all to anyone who has faith even as small as mustard seed.
You know God should have given us a warning: "I am not ready to answer your prayers anytime u want me too... I am a busy God and decide to answer your prayers at my own time despite what ur situation is."
This God must expect that we reason like him. Or he certainly needs humans to doubt him... What better time would he have healed this poor blind man and boost the poor believers confidence?
What really is the point of prayer when it can only be answered at Gods own time?
You God needs humans to beg him for a request he will only fulfill at his own time? Lol
God does not expect that you reason like Him, in fact He says that you do not. Lemme remind you.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Always read the fine prints of a contract, or get someone to help you before signing. Anyone who knows God or knows the Word of God knows that you would not get everything you ask for everytime. When you understand someone or a process, it works better for you. For instance, the yorubas will say "i want to come and be going", that makes little sense or a contradiction to English grammar. Or for instance in an establishment or institution, they have their codes. The codes a pilot is hearing from the control tower may be in English but mean something very different to what you expect. Same way in every house, family, organisation, they have their ways of understanding one another. Anyone that understands and studies the Word of God will know that prayer has clauses. you don't just pick a verse or a couple of passages and run away. You study the whole Bible for a more rounded understanding. Jesus'disciples carried their mother to come and ask Jesus anything like He had promised, they were not given.
Mat 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshiping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.



Paul prayed for something three times, he did not get the answer he wanted.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


They prayed for Timothy to be well, later on they had to tell him to take medicine for his infirmity. Trophimus was left at Miletus sick. David prayed and fasted for his sick son and the son died. And so many others. So someone coming here acting all shocked and becoming atheist because God did not answer his prayers was grossly ignorant of the Word of God. If you like from today till you die, ask God in faith to destroy hell fire, it will not be done. But God said you should ask anything in Jesus' name, or ask to be the president of the US. It is not everybody that will get a yes to that.

About the blind man not been healed, i cannot say why. Maybe healing the man's eyes wasn't a priority for God. Maybe God even helped him. Come to think of it, the blind man might actually still be a strong believer or may have died as one. Meanwhile, someone whose ego wasn't pampered is here weeping more than the bereaved. Maybe, his eyes can take eternal life away from him, and God just left him that way to see the kingdom. Because in Bible, if your eye or hand etc offend you, cut it off as it were. Affliction and afflicted people are usually close to God and trust God and believe God than people who have no challenges. Annie Johnson Flint was a paraplegic who served God despite much affliction, a story is quite a touching one. And so are many others.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:40pm On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
You desperately sort attention and I gave you attention. Don't be offended that I won't be replying you. Don't want to be insulting so better to not tell you how you sound.
You don't want to because you would only resort to insults not reason. It's the prediction fulfilled of course.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:39pm On May 03, 2016
johnydon22:
I know you need my attention.. Well ok now be happy i have noticed you. . . You can now move on
Wrong again like you are on many presumptuous grounds. i don't need your attention, i have never needed it. i don't know you neither do i need to. i've been an active member of the forum for many years without needing your attention. In fact, it is the attention of folks like you that makes me stay away from the religion section of the forum. It's no longer like before where some atheists were actually intelligent and could actually engage. People like you make me begin to appreciate the likes of thehomer, saw him post recently, it's been a while. Don't remember the names of some of the others. What we have today are wannabes copying and pasting ideas only, incapable of free and independent thought, looking for fellowship, likes, shares, how to meet other atheists bla bla bla. i don't usually have time for such people as i consider them a waste of my time, but for the great commission the OP overdramatized.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:31pm On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
Malaria, headache, pains of different categories etc. And at a time I believed a dumb kid regained ability to speak after I and a brother prayed for him.
But I know better now.
Yes my case is not new. Who talked about it being new? Everyday people are gradually realizing that god takes glory for things he did not do while actually he has never done anything. Seen many cases of people who are still christian but now know only their effort matters and they should not expect anything from god.
Good, just wanted to confirm that you indeed recall that the supernatural(not natural) is real. Malaria kills millions of peple in africa every year, so it's profitable and good to hear an atheist affirm that these can be cured using supernatural means.
Like i've already said, you painted the picture like you case is a discovery and eye opener. That christians are christians because they have not asked questions or began to think. Good to hear/read you say that is not true. People have always asked questions and thought since time immemorial. Many people have being convinced to different sides to the divide based on reasoning too. It is not only atheistic convewrsions that employ reasoning. Paul reasoned with people several times, some were converted, some were not. People make choices based on reasoning and logic, some make their choices and decisions based on emotion. That is the way life is. It is not the exclusive preserve of atheism. i have seen many cases of people who are still christian and know that their efforts could never have gotten them to where they were today. Christianity does not say that efforts don't matter, actually faith without efforts is dead.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:21pm On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
Thanks bro
THIS IS NOT A STUNT, IT IS MY TRUE STORY. I have not even told the story of my childhood. I grew up a lover of God. I mean with my whole heart I believed and Loved the Lord. So those waiting for me to pull a surprise towards the end of this whole episode should forget it.

Yes people respond to authority. Train a dog and you will understand. Good trainers of dogs easily make good leaders. (Not talking about just keeping a dog and feeding it)

I know what I have experienced. Those quoting the bible should know that you can't claim to be using logical reason when quoting the bible to a peoson that does not even believe the bible is the word of God.

The first thing to do is to prove the bible to be God's word (image123 take note). So such people should stop crying that they are not getting any attention despite all their efforts to be noticed. As you all can see, this guy I am replying made Logical points I can reason with and that is why I am replying him.


As for unique Nuban number and phone number, what is spurious about that? Are you suggesting 10 people share a single number? You have a unique number because that is the only way you can be contacted privately. I don't see what is fishy or spiritual about that.

Illuminati and co are cults, just like your masquerade cults in your village. The difference is these are cults for elites and they have a global objective. They use spiritual undertones to keep secrecy and mystify their operations.
How on earth are people not expected to quote the Bible in defending the Bible? Are you guys not quoting or paraphrasing the Bible in accusing it? Please make sense. All your ideas about hell and heaven and God and His "wicked" ways, are they not from the Bible, are they from Ugo C Ugo? So you want to sound logical and reasonable to show that God is unreasonable, but you do not want us to show that God is reasonable using the same Bible? Hypocrisy not well thought out.
Why on earth do i have to prove that the Bible is God's Word? Am i preaching to you or telling you that it is God's Word? Why did you not prove that the Bible is God's Word before you made your views and opinions about Him known? You have come with your ideas and strong opinions on how christians should live, preach, evangelize etc. But you do not want me to quote the Bible to show you how it is done there? Are christians following your opinion or the Bible? Of course, i have to reference the Bible to show how Jesus, God and others took saving the world etc. you are not the standard, your feeling or suggestion is not the standard.
You came and was all talk about how christians are not atheists because they do not ask question, that if any christian should ask question he will become an atheist. Of course i had to show you from the Bible that your experiences are not new. There are people in the Bible who have faced similar and more and still stayed with God, so don't come painting the idea that people are only christians because they don't think or because they don't ask questions. i don't need you to reply me, but i need you to think since you claim that is what you want to do. i did not cry or complain about being unnoticed, what on earth do i need the notice for?Being active here for long BTW. i was only replying that fellow who posted a picture that christians/theists avoid everything reason or logic. i predicted to him that the same will happen here proving my point, and it indeed happened. When you respond to an atheist with logic and reason against what he thinks, they completely avoid everything you said. They begin to talk about not wasting their time etc as they've met their match. Actually, it happens in both sides of an argument though.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 1:02pm On May 03, 2016
cloudgoddess:
Then what exactly was your point in suggesting he should raise his kids without education since he's raising them without religion? Why would the former follow from the latter?
He said he wanted to raise his kids free, to maintain the default stance from birth. That they can develop their own ideas. i helped him to make it complete. Why would he want them half free, is it not sensible for them to be completely free and default?
Politics › Re: Queen Elizabeth Meet Obi Okosi Of Onitsha In 1956 by Image123(m): 10:39am On May 03, 2016
MadCow1:
Obi of Obosi = REAL NIGGA..



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Meanwhile, Somewhere in Bini..


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Meanwhile:: Why is Awolowo always hanging around in these photos?
But these white guys/princes put hand for back. When GEJ/PMB put hand for back, people dey abuse them. Why?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:36am On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
Only lies survive that way.
If the bible is the truth no need telling people to be careful what they read.
No matter how much I tell you that if I cut off your head you won't die, does it make it true. No matter stories of people you read that tells you that if your head is cut off you will live, does it make it true.
The bible claims to be universal truth so no need trying to protect it. Truth can protect itself wink
This is meant to be reasonable or logical, right? No need telling anyone to be careful with poison since rice is good food? What exactly are you saying? Have you never heard of being brainWASHED? Do people not actually believe that they should cut of or blow up heads to go to paradise? Is it true to you? Do people believe it? No need to protect truth? Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas?
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:32am On May 03, 2016
cloudgoddess:
As if religious indoctrination and education can be equated. Mschew.
As if i said so.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:31am On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
How true were the so called Revelations, speaking in tongues, deliverances, healings?

They were true

REVELATIONS, WORD OF KNOWLEDGE and PROPHESIES (MY DISCOVERIES)
I was watching TV one day and I saw John Edwards show on air. This man could communicate with the dead.
It was really amazing! And he was not doing it for the glory of God. He was a celebrity. He claims it is a gift.
This man could accurately reveal hidden things about people.
I said to myself this man is just using demonic powers to fool people (NOTE: this is how we christians always jump into conclusion, everything most have a spiritual explanation)

Some months later I saw a CIA documentary on Discovery Channel on how the CIA were paying Doctors and researchers on how to brain wash, hypnotise and control peoples minds.
The documentary was really shocking!

So it was possible scientifically to control peoples mind? Wow!!!

I started doing more reseach into hypnotism. I had always thought it was only possible spiritually using demons and demonic techniques and that all hypnotists where agents of the devil. But I began to realize using drugs such as LSD could help in mind control through pure scientific means.

What impact did this have on me?
I began to wonder if all I thought was spiritual were just me doing things that were scientific unconsciously.

COLD READING
This was what John Edwards was using and word of knowledge operates the same way.
If you prepare and develop your mind, you can read peoples history. (Watch the MENTALIST for more information). But in the case of a sincere christian, you are doing it unconsciously.
You pick up cues and build on those cues. I don't want to talk too much on this as some will think I used the technique knowningly on people. But what I would tell you is I was only Cold-reading people, but I was doing it with the innocence of my heart.
God does not speak, it is our minds that speaks to us, we develop a double personality the more we believe in God speaking to us. It can get to the extent of believing you even hear Him audibly.

SPEAKING TONGUES is not difficult as people think. The problem is fear of saying gibbrish you don't understand. It all depends on how much faith and belief you can put into believing in the act. Believe and release yourself and you will speak in tongues. It's the easiest thing. Even easier than speaking a language you understand, because you don't have to think of what you are saying. Our brains are capable of more things we could ever imagine.
This is as ignorant as saying that all healing have to be spiritual and that no healing can be scientific/medical. God heals and so can our drugs. The Word of knowledge or Wisdom and are divine gifts and help from God. That God helps you with stuff doesn't automatically mean humans cannot help you too. God helped Israel in many wars/battles. People can also form confederates and help each other in battles. Exercising the human spirit can be both with God's help and for godly purposes or otherwise. If you flimsily thought or jumped into conclusion, that was your mistake. The Bible does not teach so.
Your feeble attempts at explaining away spiritual experiences are feeble, i'm sure you know it.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:20am On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
This was an incidence that really rattled me.
The big question now is, " does God answer prayers?"
After all, I have seen God in action many times, I have seen him heal people so many times, I have been healed many times with out taking a single pill.
What kind of healing did you have or see if i may ask? BTW, Paul had seen many healings and yet prayed thrice for something but no answer. Your case is certainly not new.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:18am On May 03, 2016
johnydon22:
For my kids i intend to raise them free, they won't be atheists or theists, rather maintain that default stance we all have from birth which is Pure agnosticism.

When they grow to the age of reason they can develop their own ideas not feed them my own ideas
Total folly dignified. One, what on earth is pure agnosticism? Also, please do not bother sending them to school too, just let them be free and not fed with ideas about mathematics, literacy etc. Raise them free and default, quite a lofty idea right from the anus.
Christianity Etc › Re: From Pastor To Atheist: Why I Will Never Be A Christian Again by Image123(m): 2:13am On May 03, 2016
HardMirror:
CONTINUATION...
My gradual loss in believe in the bible kept growing. I can say 2010 was the year I was last a christian, 2011 was the year of researching christianity and asking the important questions, 2012 I made up my mind i have had enough of being afraid of the truth.

We give a lot of excuses for god when things don't work out the way we expect and we praise god when coincidentally things fall in place.

Had another incidence in 2010 which rattled my faith.
One of my favorite books was "GOD's GENERALS" and the story of Kathrine KULMAN was my favorite. I got very carried away by one of her proteges BENNY HIN and really loved his book GOOD MORNING HOLY SPIRIT.
I always felt I had a similar calling to Kathrine Kulman. So marriage was something I believed won't be for me. All I wanted was to fully give myself to God.
So when ever I have the opportunity, I made sure I let the Spirit work fully. Manifesting so people would know God is real and affects their reality.
I never felt anything is impossible for God.
So early 2010 (before the idanre Outreach), we were on outreach to Ajabuto, a farming community in Ondo state.
The head of the community was a blind man and they still served idols. In fact there was an idol right in from of the community head's house.

This Outreach was a turning point in the lives of all ASF members that were involved. (We must have been more than 40 that were involved).
Everyone that went on this outreach returned to futa fully convinced of the supernatural.
For the first time in their lives, they were laying hands on the sick and casting out demons.

That night as the villagers gathered and I preached, many never knew what to expect. When I began giving word of knowledge and people were coming out responding. I asked the other ASF members I was with to start praying for people laying hands on them. And the whole place exploded.
I remember a brother coming to meet me after the program excited and saying he could not believe he layed hands on people and they were falling and reacting to the power of God. Many ASF members that were on this outreach got baptised in the spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues.
It was spectacular. It was like being in the Shangrila of the Holy Spirit.

We were confident God was ready to do anything and everything no matter how impossible it may seem.

The community head did not attend the crusade so we visited him early in the morning the next day. Remember the man was blind and had an idol at the entrance to his house.

Long story short, this man gave his life to christ that morning, abolished idol worshiping.
BUT. How could we preach a God that is greater than all other gods, a God who is the Almighty, All powerful! All loving!
A god we claim is better than his idol and yet leave this man blind. NO way! This man will see today!
So we prayed that God should restore his sight. A simple prayer that did not work. Then we had to query the man if he lacked faith (I remember this incidence with sadness). The man was almost in tears, he kept shout ""Jesu Mogbagbo!"
("Jesus I believe!". )
Damn!
"Heal me! I believe!"
Seeing him in this condition asking Jesus to heal him touched me. I insisted we won't leave until he sees.
We prayed and prayed and prayed. You can guess the rest. The man stayed the same.

I could not sleep the night of that day. I kept asking, "why?"

"Maybe the man lacked faith" common you can't be serious this man wanted to see badly, he wanted God to heal him. He was begging God with all his heart.
"Maybe I was doing it to show off". Haba! I knew I wasn't. I felt bad for this poor man.
There was absolutely no reason why God should not have healed that man.
God was mute, he never told me why.
Yet he promises that, "ANYTHING WE ASK IN HIS NAME SHALL BE GRANTED. ANYTHING!" "IF WE HAD FAITH LIKE A MUSTARD SEED WE WILL ASK MOUNTAINS TO BE UPROOTED AND THROWN INTO THE SEA" don't try to twist these scriptures. They are simple and straight forward, Problem is it does not work. Even if you have faith as big as pawpaw you can never command grass to be uprooted talkless of commanding mountain with mustard seed faith.
God is a liar, he does not honor his promises. Deep in my heart I knew this was the answer, but I had a deep relationship with God that would never allow such to take root easily.
But if God could not do this what can he now do? What was the value of his promises. His word that he has exulted above all His names?

Indeed something was wrong.
I can't continue to blame myself, the devil and people for God not doing what he promises even after all criterias has been met. And most annoying is he won't even reveal why he is not honouring his word, you have to keep guessing.

Indeed something was wrong, I knew where the problem was, but it was terrifying to even think of it. So God takes glories for good things that coincidentally happens to man (hard work or coincidence), but we take the blame when God fails in his own end of the bargain
No one is to take the blame for God not healing a person, the Bible does not teach that. A man's son was not healed in the Bible, the disciples could not heal him. Though Jesus did. But He did not heal the man at the beautiful gate, it was Peter and John that later healed them. Many wonderful children of God have had questions, no one is omniscient except God. God did not answer your question or prayer is not enough reason for you to backslide, it's a PRAYER duh not a command of God. One blessed woman was blind all through life, yet sang and wrote hundreds of hymns that still minister to people till tomorrow. Someone lost his children all in one day, yet kept the faith. Many biblical characters had their WHY moments, and so do many contemporaries that you may have probably heard of. Even Kulhman had hers. It is childish to get all upset and troubled because we did not get what we want immediatrely. In this, you actually did not do enough.

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