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Mee234:
Have u seen the subsidy receipt issue since June? it is not different from what was issued in December 2014. If that 5million liter/gallons are real , it will be less. The one issue for September is more than what "corrupt" Jona and NOI issued. That math about 8/5 millions is to deceive the gullible and APC minions.

i wish you'd shut up about APC, GEJ and Buhari and discuss sanely. Kindly share the link to this subsidy receipts, thanks.

Mee234:
Stop deceiving ursef. Buhari is still paying for subsidy. That is because that thing u. have you in that video is not different from what was happening in 2010. Until FG take the bold of removing subsidy payment, those refineries will not work

i see you require a lot of educating. Nigeria is said to consume around 40million litres of PMS daily. Evidently, a plant that has capacity for 5million litres daily is not sufficient. Their functioning only reduces/minimises import and its costs. The point being made is the reality of the Kaduna refinery's production. Don't get lost or confused, this isn't rocket science or advanced physics.

chudionu58:
Lol... thought you said the "money have already being paid" and the only delay being "transportation" as at 2006?? How come is it still little above foundation after 2 years.

Little above foundation stage is now an appreciable work. lwkmh!!

Please Bro answer my questions! You have bluntly refused to acknowledge who robustly funded and commissioned the project.

Yes, i said that money has been paid, buttressing the plain point that the Alaoji plant project started BEFORE GEJ administration, it wasn't just a concept like you claimed.
www.saharareporters.com/2007/06/12/objs-last-minute-deals

It's you that added "fully". You also keep adding " little " from your imagination, while the link you provided described it as "appreciable" work. Your questions have no bearing on my point. The GEJ administration didn't start and finish any power plant in the South-east, simple.

Mee234:
Stop buying lies and stop helping to spread lies simply because u want buhari and his body language to. look effective. The refineries are not working. what they have is this skeletal operations that have been going on for years. That thing u called operations in Kaduna have been. going on. since time immemorial. Y. do. u. they. now thinking building news once from the old ones?

Don't be ridiculous. Find some data to watch the video in the channelstv link and cure this ignorance and armchair analysis.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYtmPuMg5z0&itct=CDwQpDAYACITCLnR-6yO78cCFUbTHAodTa4N4lITcmVmaW5lcnkgY2hhbm5lbHN0dg%3D%3D&gl=NG&hl=en&client=mv-google

Whynotthetruth:
You would have not disturbed my mention if you knew you weren't interested and I had no point...

That 27 states applied notwithstanding some did dubiously like Kastina state doesn't cancel out the fact that those states are in that condition because THEY STOLE and MISMANAGED their state's resources including LGA allocations and such other intervention funds...

Anambra state proved that it is possible to utilize what you were allocated to achieve optimum infrastructural development, pay sufficient salary as at when due and have reserves too WITHOUT borrowing a kobo...

Kindly hold your state leaders accountable and not the silly idea of pointing fingers at others for your self induced calamity...Grow up boy!!!

i don't recall mentioning you, please grow up or respect yourself.

Whynotthetruth:
1)Quit confusing yourself...What we have here and in the places you mentioned is mixed economy not socialism as you erroneously said...They all practise more of capitalism but intervene to save the hoipoloi which is an attribute of socialism ...NOI austerity measure template was in this line too....

2)What did you say again about Imo & Edo economy and governance? Broda wake up abeg notwithstanding having more allocation than states like Anambra....

3)How come your flimsy and lazy man's way of shifting blames for his ineptitude and failure to others did not affect other states...Anambra state is not an oil producing state yet owes NOBODY and recently increased salary by another 15%, and have best educational system in Nigeria as at today, great infrastructure and economy.... Weren't they ruled by same Jonathan?... You need to wake up and learn to take responsibilities for your failure....

4)Buhari may choose to kill YOUWIN , PRESSID etc but he can NEVER kill the gratitude of the beneficiaries towards Jonathan or kill the success of those men who have escaped poverty and become employers of labour cum millionaires
cc. Image123 ...repogirl

Not too interested in the political gimmicks, my reference to repogirl was on a prior discussion we had on the poor and the rich. Keep your youwin, APC, Imo state talks. BTW, 27 states were said to have been affected, both APC and PDP, so you have little or no point.
www.thisdaylive.com/articles/bailout-cbn-injects-n338bn-in-27-states-to-stimulate-economy/218955/

tete7000:
Since I was born, I have been hearing that same story.

Now we have links and video evidence in case you can't go to Kaduna to verify. Try the link i posted.

chudionu58:
Lol.... shifting goal post? I decided to shorten the scope of our argument to amplify GEJs sincerity yet you bluntly refused to answer any of the questions! But is not strange that a contract was awarded and fully paid for in the same year. How possible could it be that Alaoji was awarded and fully paid for all in 2006??

Yet as at March 2008, it is still a little above foundation stage! Came Jan 2009 when the board of NDPHC headed by GEJ was constituted billions of dollars was approved for same NIPP power infrastructure or was Alaoji the only project fully paid for?.

Go ahead and answer my questions and end the whole arguments.

There's no shortening of scope but plain deception and desperation to win an argument. The argument is that GEJ administration didn't carry out a 0% to 100% power plant project in the South-east. Any other argument, you're on your own. I'm not the cause of your poor comprehension.
Again nobody mentioned anything about FULLY paid or completed. The clear fact is that Alaoji plant started BEFORE GEJ administration. Appreciable work was already done there according to your own link. The contractor has already bought the turbines and some billions were approved in 2007. Probably you don't know how most contract work functions in Nigeria. Contractors do work and have debts before government and multinational corporations pay them. They use LPOs and other paperwork.
Work has progressed above the foundation stage, you decided to add "a little" to sound smart to yourself.

win1234:
Hmmm, i thought it started working since last month

cc basilo101, huangcheng, tete7000, mee234, leanalyst etc.

Note that the refinery is already working and producing 1.5million litres or so of PMS daily. What they're doing is a Shut down to carry out a phase of their maintenance. This is a refinery that didn't produce 1litre all these while. Relax
www.channelstv.com/2015/09/07/kaduna-refinery-production-capacity-increases-to-60/

This link has video evidence and also written.

Lol, if it's not working blame APC lies and propaganda. If it's working, praise GEJ. Unstable minds.

TRUTHTOPOWER:
PMB's success is not how many billionaires are created at the expense of the masses but how many billionaires yield their wealth for the benefit of the masses. This is the ideological difference between the capitalist govt of GEJ and the socialist govt of PMB. progress is logical with democratic socialists. Whilst it is an exception to the predatory regime of corrup capitalists.
For your education Bernie sanders has forced Clinton to the socialist (left) wing of the Democrats. Clinton pleads guilty of being moderate on left wing issues. Obama won through socialist movement. Do not confuse socialism with communism.

France, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Ghana, Ireland, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Botswana are now under socialist govts. for further education read:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_International

As for the case of the states mentioned, the economic hemorrhage caused by " corruption is not stealing" and "how much did Nwobodo steal...money that cannot even buy..." (you understand me OK). such abetement of Felony hampered the progressive development of the states. IMO and Edo proved to be a radical departure from those who saw politics as a capitalist racketeering.

With your new knowledge of what socialism implies and those that are currently practicing it (all the world super powers - US, UK, France, China & Russia).

in the event that you failed to read my reference or it appears to long to read here is the summary.

Taxing the rich more and providing SOCIAL SAFETY NET for the poor is classic socialism. it involves strategic regulation of means of production for the benefit of a greater percentage of the citizenry who are able and willing to work. Not the corrupt predation of capitalists who profit from the sweat of the masses and oppress them with power.

PS. The Gospel of Jesus Christ which is now exemplified by the Pope and many Pentecostal missionaries is about social reonsibility for the benifit of humanity on the largest possible scale. the poor that you scorn because of your rich heros are like Lazarus.

Do not think GEJ never made attempt at socialism. SURE P was meant to tax the Rich and give to the Poor. But like everything else under him, corruption destroyed it. YouWin is now history because it was a whitewash that lacked concrete foundation.

As we have American Dream (Read New Deal under Franklin Roosevelt) so also can we have Nigerian Dream. If that is too noble and pious for the racketeering Wailers then ... good bye.

989900, omenka, good morning, gentlemen.

Nice one.
cc repogirl

chudionu58:
Back from their ban...Please answer these questions:
1. What was the percentage completion of the alaoji thermal plant as at May 29th 2007?
2. Did GEJ lobby against the suspension of the project in 2007/2008 or not ??
3. Did GEJ commission the power plant in March 2015 or not! if he didn't then who did??
Note: The plant was just above foundation stage in March 2008 according to House committee on power and nobody countered it!


Straight answers to these questions will help us guage the level of sincerity of Jonathan to that project.

You're changing goalpost subtly, the point has clearly and repeatedly being that the GEJ administration didn't start AND complete any power plant in the South-east. It appears your English is poor. That simply means that they didn't build any of the power plants from start to finish. It's either they met the project and continued, or they started and didn't finish. I'm hoping I will not have to use your native language before you understand this simple fact.
Now on Alaoji, your link clearly said Alaoji was exceptional and well above foundation stage. .Money had already been paid, site ready and turbines bought since 2006. The only delay was transportation across the water. This was also confirmed by the contractor contractor website. Extract from your link." most of them were still at foundation level, with the exception of Alaoji, which work has progressed above the foundation stage.
Even with an appreciable work at Alaoji, Arumeni-Johnson still blamed the Ministries of Power and Steel and Works for allegedly slowing down the zeal of its company to feed close to 2000 megawatts of electricity into the national grid from the turbines it had imported into Nigeria.

Dospix:
We should never take the likes of Boyo serious. These are the kind of people that would promise us magical wand, but when they are given the opportunity to do the magic they would out-rightly bluff. It is easy to criticize someone and discredit all their achievements...Nigerians must be weary of individuals like Boyo. NOI didn't get to where she is today by mere luck; she worked hard and her hard work will continue to speak for her. I expect NOI to reply this bunkum of an opinion.

I expect her not to reply, she cannot reply. The facts are very clear.

wiseoneking:
I have to confess that i did not read such a shit damn stuff about ngozi. This does not remove Ngozi as the most powerful woman in Nigeria, the second the whole Africa and among the first 40 out of world greatest personality with the Dangote coming in far sixties out of the hundred. She is a potential world bank president. With a great family: both parents are professors, husband a professor in medicines, most of her kids graduated in their teens and becoming Phd holders in their twenties. She has done all for this ungrateful country despite the fact she is not a citizen of Nigeria. She once told the story how she was involved in cooking and fetching water for Biafran soldiers. Look at what is happening to the economy of Nigeria today just because of her 3 months exit from govt. We easily forget but not Ngozi's great achievement. WE NEVER KNEW WHAT WE HAVE UNTIL WE LOOSE IT.

Complete yadayada. NOI is not a Nigerian? What is she,an alien? Inferiority complex dey worry you.
Nobody is assessing NOI's family life, religion, education or social life. The assessment is on her performance as coordinating minister of our economy and finance.

repogirl:
image123, is it beginning to affect the 90 percent now?

Lol, calm down. They're coming back to beg.

baralatie:
it pays to read!even from your own text,
Mrs Okonjo Iweala is Spot on abd Accurate!!!
@989900

How's she spot on and accurate. Can't you see that under her,in just 5years, we incurred 33.3% of Nigeria's debt since independence? i guess Boyo meant to say that the amount we've paid servicing debts is many times more than the real/initial debt owed.

baralatie:
Nigeria is forced to borrow as long as it remains imports sector based!


can some1 explain why I can't log in to the okonjo thread?

Nigeria is not forced to borrow. And if we need to, we will definitely find a good deal.

14:
you know what this means, less FDI into NIGERIA, less investment, stagnant economy. jp morgan was complaining about lack of liquidity. If an investor who put in $1m in the economy, whenever he wants out, he cannot because there is no money in the system. So, chances of not getting back his money are high, that means nigeria has become a high risk to investors, hence the withdrawal.

Tough times ahead indeed. In simple term, nigeria is broke. In simple language, i borrow you $1000, when i want it back, you cannot pay me back because you have no money. Chances of me not getting my money back are high. So, while you owe me some money, should i continue borrow you money? Noo, then i decide not to lend you money any more. Then where do you borrow money? Someone who will be willing to borrow you money, will put more interest on that bond, that means it will be more expensive for nigeria to borrow.

It's not by force to borrow, the one we borrow never do?

chudionu58:
Obj conceptualized it! and it was almost suspended but for Jonathan who insisted it goes on and he drove it to completion.
http://dailyindependentnig.com/2015/03/alaoji-power-plant-not-abandoned-jonathan/


If not so, please let us know it's percentage completion by May 2007.

GEJ can't come and tell us in March 2015 how he saved us in 2008 or whatever date he's speaking of. He said many untrue and halftrue statements during campaign. Kindly verify this claim from another source or another person. The papers clearly confirm and history reminds us that the OBJ administration didn't just conceptualize Alaoji power plant, they approved and paid for it. It's part of the billions OBJ is said to have spent on power.
www.nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=11870
The link you gave doesn't mince words. It's a April 2008 report, and says it " discovered sharp disparity in the level of work done by contractors and the
payment made so far by government." Sahara reporters confirm N47.4 billion was approved for the
conversion of the Alaoji Power Plant to double
circuit; This is the OBJ government BTW.
www.saharareporters.com/2007/06/12/objs-last-minute-deals
www.allafrica.com/stories/200705100273.html

The site you gave says administrative reasons were the delays and issues involved. Equipment was ready since 2006 before approval. OBJ approved but it wasn't implemented quickly by the next administration.
" the ministries did not pay compensation to land
owners in areas where the plants were sited at
the right time, leading to delay to commence
work.
“Federal Government has not fulfilled its part of
the contract agreement, we are yet to receive the
25 per cent advanced payment in full, land for the
project is not free from encumbrances. Take the
Alaoji power plant, for instance, the movement of
turbines to the site from Onne port is delayed
because of the bridge on Imo River that could not
take the 200 tonnes turbine and the Ministry of
Works is not ready to provide alternatives,
whereas, the issue of the bridge was captured in
the agreement,” Since 2006, he said that Rockson had applied to the Federal Government for an alternative means of transporting four turbines from Onne for
installation at the appropriate site, only for the
government to turn down the request without a
convincing reason."

Even the contractor's website confirms this was really an OBJ thing since 2006. Like I said, it was not started by GEJ. The GEJ administration didn't start and finish any power plant in the South-east, simple.
www.rocksonengineering.com/pages/Projects/Construct_Alaoji_1.html

chudionu58:
Who completed Alaoji?? Buhari?

Duh, who started it? Why do you refuse to get such a plain point?

chudionu58:
But wasn't Jonathan part and parcel of 2007-10 government?? who secured robust funding and the necessary machinery for the NIPPs?
http://www.nigerianmuse.com/20130413204743zg/nm-projects/energy-development-project/epileptic-power-supply-will-nipp-break-the-ice/


Are you saying Jonathan didn't commission Alaoji?? who did it then??
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/jonathan-inaugurates-phase-one-of-alaoji-power-plant/204995/

i said that the gej administration didn't start and finish any power plant in the South-east, that's clear enough.

repogirl:
how do you know it doesn't affect over 90 percent of Nigerians, I thought you didn't give credence to paper statistics?

Anyway, the plunge in the stocks affected me personally and I have lost much...stocks way below the cost I bought them. Millions lost and I am not joking.

Seriously I never saw this coming because i assumed the transition would be smooth, I never foresaw that his cabinet would be withheld with no direction concerning the economy.

I pray it bounces back soon because i am dead broke and important projects have been put on hold because my money is tied up. So forgive me if I have little/no faith in your messiah.

First of all, he's not my messiah. Two, sorry about your loss. Investors should not assume oh,pele. Market sentiments change and were expected to be volatile. i described paper statistics as having no bearing or repriseon the common people. Over 90% of Nigerians are common people who don't do stocks or plan to. The rich ones are the ones losing the bulk of the trillions,these are people who will make billions in a day. Sorry you're cut in the crossfire. Things will still get brighter though.

chudionu58:
Obj initiated them... yes! but did nothing else....
Which news report said alaoji was 80% complete in 2007?? I thought your earlier link said the 80% in 2009?

We have no argument really, you just said what ive been saying. The past government didn't start and finish any power plant in the South-east, someone else started. The link even says 85% but that's besides the point. The point i made was that someone else started those projects and did it to a appreciable level. The link you provided.
www.nm.onlinenigeria.com/templates/?a=11870


Alaoji was already in a appreciable level and the turbines were already bought. The timeframe Contracts for most of the power projects were awarded in 2006, with completion date fixed for between 2007 and 2009,. The delay had to do with transport across water. The equipment was already bought, paid for, and available.

OP just received a dose of federal character. Next time, don't be greedy, there are greedier people out there.

repogirl:
okay and what do you have to say about the crashed stock market that has lost trillions of naira, that one is fact and not paper statistics.

It hasn't literally lost trillions of naira. Market share values change constantly and globally. We're currently experiencing a bearish trend due to many factors. Yes,the current government is a factor but things will swing. Financial markets are that way,and thankfully it doesn't affect over 90% of Nigerians. Heaven is not falling like we're being made to believe.

chudionu58:
Who completed Alaoji thermal plant then? Which administration completed the Egbema NIPP? don't tell me its Obasanjo cos no NIPP was up to 20% complete as at May 2007.....Let me hear mention Yar' adua ! we will then know who was his vice that chaired the board of the NDPHC.

So soon? i thought you said to permanently ignore me. Egbema is not yet to be completed, you confirmed it with the link you sent earlier, neither was it initiated by GEJ administration. News report say it alaoji was 80% complete in 2007, where did you get your 20% figure? Alaoji wasn't initiated by GEJ administration

anonimi:
It is my turn to ask you a straightforward question-

- Is Buhari still paying subsidy or not

Enlighten yourself.


One burning issue is fuel subsidy. I believe you
are aware of the queues in major cities like Lagos
and Abuja. The fuel importers say they are unsure
of the direction of the new government in this
area. Have you considered maintaining or
withdrawing this subsidy or are you questioning
whether it didn’t exist at all?
One of the problems I have, other than the
military, is the petroleum industry where I served
for three and a half years under General Obasanjo.
When people start talking about this subsidy I
honestly get confused. I will tell you this, and I
hope it will answer what you want to know. Back
then we had a refinery in Port Harcourt, which
was refining 30,000 barrels a day of Nigerian
crude.
Later, it was upgraded to refine 100,000 barrels a
day. Another refinery was built in Port Harcourt to
refine 150,000 barrels per day of Nigerian crude.
So, Port Harcourt alone had the capacity to refine
250,000 barrels per day of Nigerian crude.
But when I found myself as the Minister of
Petroleum I set up another refinery in Warri for
100, 000 barrels per day of Nigerian crude and
the Kaduna refinery a 100, 000 barrels per day.
So Nigeria built capacity to refine 450,000 a day.
Four Hundred thousands of which is purely
Nigerian crude, but 50,000 was imported. The
type of crude could be Venezuelan, which could
be a bit heavier. But the lighter ones - kerosene,
aviation fuel, diesel, PMS of different grades could
be produced from our crude because Nigerian
crude is about the best in the world.
If you could recall, after finishing as Minister of
Petroleum, I subsequently became Head of State.
You remember, I appointed Professor Tam David
West as the Minister of Petroleum. When we
rounded up bunkers, collected their illegal jetties
and allowed jetties for only big firms which were
doing production and development in the country,
we were shocked that we had too much fuel.
We had to begin to export 100,000 barrels per
day. Don’t forget that we didn’t stop at building
refineries, we built more than 20 depots during my
time, from Port Harcourt to Ilorin, Makurdi,
Suleija, Maiduguri and Kano. More than 3,000
pipelines were laid to connect them. A number of
stations were also built to take the trailers off the
road, save lives and the infrastructure on the
road. It is more economical because each trailer
uses fuel.
We did all that in this country and we didn’t
borrow any money as far as I know. It’s Nigerian
money. From each Nigerian crude, whether Akwa
Ibom, Bonny Light or whatever it is, you can work
out how much products it will give you; how
much petrol it will give you; how much diesel it
will give you if you want to produce diesel. We
could tell how much Nigerian crude cost, the cost
of transportation from there to the refinery, the
cost of refining, the cost of transportation to the
pump stations and maybe 5 per cent go for
overhead.
I can understand if Nigerians pay for those costs.
But somebody is saying he is subsidizing
Nigerians. Who is subsidizing who?
But they argue that the price should not be the
same in Lagos and Daura, for example?
It has to be the same because it is the Nigerian
crude.
But they consider the cost of transportation?
Why didn’t it make any difference when we were
around? Why did we build the network of
pipelines? Why did we build the network of
depots? What can Nigerians benefit from the God-
given gift of petroleum? No refinery is built unless
there is an in-depth research that there is enough
reserve of up to six layers to be produced.
The argument I have heard is that refineries are
aged. Mostly, they are performing at less than
half of their capacity…?
You can’t defend these corrupt and incompetent
people. You can’t defend them. There used to be
what they call turn-around-maintenance. You
close the refinery in order to overhaul and clean
it. What we did: we asked our producers, we need
various refined products of this type at this time
when the refineries are being cleaned. Take this
type of Nigerian crude and bring us the refined
products.
What we don’t need, we will calculate and pay
you as fees for refining and transportation. If it is
more than what the crude can handle, then we
take it from the treasury. But you are trying to
justify all these frauds by saying the refineries are
aged.
Of course, they are actually aged?
They said the refineries are aged. The pipelines
are leaking. There is vandalisation. Who ordered
the vandalisation?
Does it suggest that you don’t believe in the
subsidy? So, you are not going to agree to its
continuation in anyway?
I would like to be on ground and find out what
really has been going wrong. Why is it that people
are doing round-tripping with the Nigerian
products and take money from the treasury?
Some people are still in court. You know about it.
So, I’m not taking anything for granted. But I will
try and find out what went wrong.

www.dailytrust.com.ng/sunday/index.php/top-stories/20804-i-don-t-know-what-fuel-subsidy-means-buhari

chudionu58:
You are just a shameless idiot! If Jonathan didn't improve gas then who did?? Or better still how did Buhari improve gas! Don't tell how us vandals have all run away because of his body odour!

You must be uncharitable for insinuating that GEJ have no impact on the hydros.. please note (if indeed you don't know)
https://m.facebook.com/FMINigeria/posts/452717804781133


It has come to a point where you must be permanently ignored! there is no gain educating a crass propagandist!

See me see trouble oh, who is this one again? Sending us 2012 Facebook link for that matter.

anonimi:
I really pity the stewpidity and mumuness of you these masturrbatoors, walahi.
Do you know why your body odour CHANGE master is still paying fuel subisdy to the cabal more than 100 days into his administration despite his PROPAGANDA that he does not know what it is



www.nairaland.com/attachments/2589504_subsidy2_jpeg57ea79bc1f8758353f00f8db1d53dbf1

As usual, you've employed a red herring to divert issues. Go and read the contents and context of the subsidy story. Don't deceive yourself and others by attention grabbing headlines. Cure yourself of the ignorance.

TolaOluwatosin:
i won't lecture any brainwashed hypnotized fool on nairaland, Google is your friend, you can check my profile You will see a thread to that effect.

If you still don't believe it take a walk and visit the locations yourself.

Or you wait to be spoonfed by lai Mohammed with lies.

Gej even commissioned 2power plants in West few weeks to elections

Today has to be your lucky day, no doubt.