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 Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 3:17pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
shdemidemi: And what happens when I don't pray, go to church or read my bible?Demisquare, i told you already. i'm not arguing with you, you be my chairman hehehehe. Anyway, what do you believe happens? Your answer is the answer. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 3:14pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Thank you and God bless youAmen. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 3:13pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
Candour: How do you mean?Olaa said we should be faithful in tithes, offerings etc. You brought up Deuteronomy asking him if we should practice is faithfully as written there. He then posted a devotional(which you say you agree with) that explains how that passage applies today. Simple. That was the basic thing i said. Your reply should logically border on whether he truly did or he did not. But you responded by asking me about four or five questions on like three passages. i'm not interested. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 2:46pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: I beg help me tell am o...You are lazy and you have poor comprehension. Those are observable facts that you consistently demonstrate. Ever gone through teachers' remarks on your report cards? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 2:43pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
Candour: I hear you.You're not reading what i'm saying. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by Image123(m): 2:39pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
PastorAIO: What is the genealogy of Joseph, father (legal or anyhow) of Jesus?i thought to answer all your questions one at a time before. However your tone tells me you're not worth that time. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 12:33pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Image123 and BidamUnfortunate that you are lazy and your comprehension is poor. You're almost always available on the forum so go tracing ehn. We didn't just start talking here this year and you've being spared about six months of trace work already, so do go tracing. i've not taught doing ANYTHING by force. Even giving your life to God or repentance is not by force. Prayer is not by force, tithe is not, fellowship is not, fasting is not, charity is not, etc. Exchanges have largely centred around stuff like should christians tithe, did Jesus tithe, is tithe only agricultural produce, and such likes. Our stance is very clear and unchanging on these. Stop lying to change history. Even Mark here will disagree with all that sweet talk about what antitithers are saying. Do you fear God? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 12:15pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
Candour: I do fully and I sincerely wish you do tooOlaa rightly showed how that passage could apply today using that devotional. i think either he or myself have made reference to that same devotional in the past, showing that tithe givers and teachers do teach that passage, contrary to concocted opinions that tithe givers don't reference it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 11:46am On Jul 27, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Why does the 'like' bother you... Don't get distracted by that bro.Same thing that you believe happens when you don't pray, or go to church, or read your bible, or give. Whatever you believe is what happens. The new testament era is the ought to era majorly. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Other Animals Suffer Too? by Image123(m): 11:38am On Jul 27, 2014 |
jayseehe: according to the bible, only human beings and serpents were cursed, so why do other animals suffer too?According to the bible when and where? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by Image123(m): 10:17am On Jul 27, 2014 |
PastorAIO: Thank you very much for bringing it back on track. Yes I'm trying bring up the issue of the contradictory genealogies of Jesus as found in the gospels.i'm not your Sunday school teacher and shouldn't suffer for your unseriousness at Sunday school. Anyway, let's see if i can help you. It's easier to teach a child elementary stuff than full growns who don't really want to learn. Hmmmm, your exact question again? one at a time. 1 Like |
| Fashion › Re: Photo Of The Day: Nigeria At The Miss Universe Contest In 1964 by Image123(m): 10:04am On Jul 27, 2014 |
Notice how the Israel lady set the pace for indecent dressing, with the only armless and shortest dress. The irony. The same way so called christains set the pace in indecent dressing and behavior in the name of grace and new testament, far ahead other religions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by Image123(m): 8:34pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
oh, he already has. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can We Trust The New Testament As A Historical Document? by Image123(m): 8:31pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: See the blind leading the blind.i guess he's trying to bring up geneology issues. All this primary 1 questions asked by people who failed to attend or pay attention at Sunday school. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 11:50am On Jul 26, 2014 |
frosbel: ^^^^deep sigh. The word 'madness' was not used as an insult or to wrongly describe his mental state or health or intellect. The word can be used to describe a foolish action, or displeasure, or anger. Quit the fault finding, God is my Judge. 2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb a.s. s speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Dancing With Devil In The Name Of Christain Music. This Call For Wisdom Rev13:18 by Image123(m): 11:36am On Jul 26, 2014 |
highyo my man is back and better. Lol at disappear mysteriously. The devil is a liar ke. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 1:03am On Jul 26, 2014 |
Goshen360: By the "fear" of God, what do you mean? There's no fear in love and perfect love cast out fear. You're suppose to have grown in the word. You keep using old to explain new (complete and better) testament\covenant or just simply mixing both and confusing yourself.i really should ignore your madness my long time friend, but for the benefit of those that have ears to hear. Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Luk 1:50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. Act 5:11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. 1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 1Pe 2:17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. Your lovers and fans should have told you or tried to correct you. i hope for a change, i hope to see you acknowledge you were wrong. That is basic repentance you know? 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 1:03am On Jul 26, 2014 |
StarBoard: Really?Convince you? Sorry, i do not even know you, neither was the post referred to initially directed to you but to demisquare. i told him that Tithing CAN BE a freewill form of giving. He asked and you asked HOW. In your words, "Kindly explain how that is possible." So, very sorry i wasn't thinking of convincing Starboard beyond shadow of a doubt when i made that statement. If you understood my statement, then why did you say to kindly explain how? Your question is what made me say that you did not understand, and i proceeded to oblige you with an answer/explanation. On what i 'really think', i'll keep that between me and God. It is not for you to be guessing or fantasizing on what i really think. The Bible is very clear about tithing in the old testament. You do not need to put out scriptures to convince anyone of this. Tithing in its purest forms was mandatory for the children of Israel under the Mosaic Law. Because you want to advocate for its necessity in an age where Christ's death and resurrection has effectively put an end to practices of the Law (tithing inclusive), you decide to spin it as being a form of free will offering.i said tithing CAN BE done free will. Just like i can voluntarily decide to circumcise my children or no. There for instance is the command to pray without ceasing. Many christians pray of their freewill. Some other religions must pray at certain fixed times and frequencies. To them, they feel condemned if they miss that prescription. It is not really so with the christian despite the command. That is free will, that is voluntary. Meanwhile some fellows, families and fellowships might practice a specific time to observe prayers maybe family devotion or during church service. This illustration is meant to show/ explain that PRAYER can be voluntary and can be coerced etc. Same thing with circumcision, same thing with tithes. i never said that some people are not coerced to tithe. For those that read me, i've consistently maintained that wrong use or abuse of a thing does not automatically call for disuse. i'm not oblivious that there are wrong practices and teachings on prayer, or on tithe, or baptism, or on virtually every christian subject. What i'm particular about is what does the Bible say, not what sentiments say. Does the Bible say not to tithe etc. Again, i'm tired already of all these tithe talk, especially as it is the usual circles, and often involving the usual suspects and threads. Most of what you may say or ask has already being said and answered on this very thread and its sister threads. You'll have to forgive me, i might ignore further discussions expect where i see necessary. i do not have such unenviable ministry of tithetalks, and it removes nothing from me if the whole world don't tithe. you must think we are illiterates here.Maybe its just this post, but i think your mind reading skills are v.poor. Stop trying to look into my thoughts. Exo 35:4 And Moses spoke unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD commanded, saying, Exo 35:5 Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass, Exo 35:10 And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the LORD hath commanded It is as clear as clear, the Lord COMMANDED(verse 4 and 10). Verse 5 shows the WILLING heart. This is a COMMAND for a WILLING offering. You don't want us writing this in Hausa or Ibibio for clearer understanding, do you? I attend the Redeemed Christian Church of God.Sorry, i'm not here to speak for or against your church. The truth remains that Tithing can be given willingly irrespective of what your church thinks or practices. Oga please park well.  This is the one they call "laugh and go". that's what i should just do, really. i gave you two Bible passages where a specified command was done freewill. -Those passages(Exodus 35 and Leviticus 1) are Old Testament Bible commands, the command to tithe is also found in the Bible. -The commands were specific, bring gold, and silver, and brass, blue, purple, scarlet, fine linen, goats' hair, cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock without blemish. He shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted. Tithing is specific, bring a tenth. -Despite those two passages being commands and specific, the people still gave voluntarily of their free will even in the OT. How much more in the New Testament period of grace. Yet in all their willing voluntary cheerfulness, they couldn't go bring elephant or snake head, or limestone, or fish scales. They even had to put the hand on the head of the burnt offering for it to be accepted. And on and on. Permit me to stop here. If you do not understand what i've said in many words, good luck with whatever you do. i understand you are not a child, however do remember that that is an essential quality required in the Kingdom. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 12:59am On Jul 26, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Question:You throw out context, comprehension and honesty when you ask these things. Or perhaps you lack the ability to follow through a proper discussion or line of reasoning. What i said was that "Tithing DOES NOT HAVE TO BE coerced" here. Demisquare asked ïf tithing is a free will form of giving to which i replied that Tithing CAN BE a freewill form of giving. That's here. then demisquare, dorox and starboard asked HOW. That was the context and the explanation given. The explanations are clear enough to show how COMMANDS were obeyed FREE WILL or VOLUNTARILY. When you leave the HOW(the context and subject of that discuss) and deceptively/fallaciously ignore that and go on about WHERE, again its either you are being dishonest or simply lack ability to follow through in comprehension. Is this passage, which you are quoting, not lending support to our position that God’s demand or even command on the Christian is to give free will and not obligatory tithing?Are you saying that Exodus 35 shows us that the Christian is to give free will and not obligatory tithing? If yes, then you are being selective. The passage makes no tithing comparisons but simply shows some people who gave of their free will despite it being a SPECIFIED command. Can you see from this passage that God saw that Israel had gold, silver and bronze but never requested them to tithe in those? Rather he requested his tithes to be agricultural products? Why then do you call tithes money?You have decided to see what you want to see. The passage talked about requirements for BUILDING THE TABERNACLE. Stop comparing apples with fishes. Tithes is from your income, and the average consistent income then was agricultural produce. Money is a medium of exchange, a measure of the value of goods and services. It is myopic and narrow minded to think/limit money historically to paper money. While your point about God commanding a free will offering is understood, you clearly are being economical with the truth if you claim modern day tithing is taught as free will giving. It certainly is not.So you were operating in dishonesty since you claim to have understood my point. The rest of your statement makes no sense. It is either something is clear or it is not. You can't refer to my statement as CLEAR and in the same breath give conditional IFs. Again, i didn't claim modern day tithing is taught as free will giving. i said "Tithing DOES NOT HAVE TO BE coerced", and that "Tithing CAN BE a freewill form of giving." Always take note of capital letters, bold statements, coloured sentences/phrases and other such emphasis. They are not designs or artwork. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 12:58am On Jul 26, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Image123Again, you take us many steps backward. i'm not here to know your reasons for your positions. i'm here for the truth of God's Word. Let God be true and every man a liar. Tithes have always being done free will as evidenced in the first recorded tithe in Scriptures. It is not a new thing or haven. i thought i was clear on the "ought to" positionS of the new testament a while ago. Permit me to relay my story again (though you hate to hear it).i'm not led by your personal experiences. i endeavour to live my life through a personal relationship with God. My decisions to tithe is neither because of beautiful experiences and testimonies of tithe givers and preachers(which abound aplenty), nor is it because of frustrations of disgruntled church members. Remember that, i thought that was clear enough in the other discussion thread some time ago. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Word Of Faith - The Movement's Doctrine And Proponents by Image123(m): 8:52pm On Jul 25, 2014 |
Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. The obsession with F7, a thing very rarely seen shows again that nothing much is to be gained from here. Next. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 6:30pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
christemmbassey: bros pls explain how/where/when pay 10% of ur money or die bcomes a freewill giving. Bless u. StarBoard: You just told a barefaced lie.There was nothing inconsistent in what i said. That you do not understand it doesn't mean it is inconsistent. Your post is what is inconsistent as it oscillates between a polite question and a rude jeer. Sorry, i might not answer every question posed here as that has been done severalLY both on this thread and on it's sister threads in the past. i'll give you at least TWO witnesses/passages as in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. PASSAGE WITNESS 1.This passage is a COMMAND for a WILLING offering. That is how it is possible to have a command for freewill. If you're familiar with the passage, this should suffice. Every man brought and were regarded as the wise hearted ones. Bible definition of free will. PASSAGE WITNESS 2.Here is another voluntary will or free will offering. that something is free will does not mean that it can not be specified. For instance, even though the offering was free will, they could not bring a dog, or a cattle that had blemish. They still had some other protocol and specifications to follow before the offering would be ACCEPTED by God or even by the priests. Freewill is not exactly 'anything i feel like'. At least, not always that definition. If you noticed the 1st passage too, God had specific demands for the tabernacle, yet the people gave willingly. That is how it is possible to give a command willingly. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 6:09pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
dorox: Tithe is like tax, it is an obligation you are required to comply with irrespective of whether you like to or not. Failure to pay it instany makes you a thief for depriving the authorities that part of your income that is legally theirs. The option available to everyone in subjection to the tax/tithe collecting authority is quite clear and unambiguous; pay up or become a criminal.This thread is on the 111th page. i'll like to think that you have done a fair reading through. Most of the questions asked or to be asked have ALREADY being answered. It is why it becomes cumbersome to re-answer them again and again, especially when it is the same people or place that the question is presented by or in. Oh, forget demisquare by the way. If that fellow told me that my username is "shdemidemi123", i would not go out of my way to disagree with him. He has that 'gift' of pulling a lot of wool as it were. The key to your query is in your words "under the old covenant". We are NOT UNDER the law, or UNDER the Old Covenant. Under the New Covenant, tithe CAN BE a freewill form of giving. i'll explain with analogy, then in my next post with scriptures. Under the old covenant, CIRCUMCISION was "coerced"(if that is the proper word to use). However, today under grace, i can physically circumcise my child, and i can choose not to. The fact that it was obligatory under the old Covenant doesn't mean that it cannot be done freewill today. i can choose today to observe the sabbath as best as i can, whether on Saturday or any day. Can choose not to do any work, worship God and whatever else sabbatical that can be done. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 4:06pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Image123It's not always about an audience, do you fear God? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Learning The Letters Of Paul by Image123(m): 4:02pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
how's your learning going BTW? Hope you're not planning on doing the Russell K move/touch on us. Olaadegbu, brother abeg take note oh. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 3:54pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: OBLIGATIONi like it that you're beginning to use dictionaries. It would improve your english and communication greatly, not your spirit man though. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 3:47pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
Image123: In other words, you are calling me a fool?drummaboy? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 3:42pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
Image123: drummer DrummaBoy: Thank you Alexleo for understanding. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Design An Anti-Tithe Tract for £50 by Image123(m): 8:25am On Jul 24, 2014 |
PastorKun: The bloody hypocrite in you did not see were he was insulting and cursing mei didn't see it, i would have corrected him. Are you a christian? 3 Likes |
| Food › Re: Coconut Water, Your Misconceptions? by Image123(m): 8:20am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Coconut head. Makes you stubborn na. lol |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Judas Iscariot Really A Villain? by Image123(m): 11:24pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
You guys would make terrible housemates, lol. Back, back, forth, forth and Back. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 11:07pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: How can it be freewill when curses and blessings are attached to it?i'm not interested in talking to you. i have seen the future, lol. Freewill has little or nothing to do with blessings and curses. i doubt you know the meaning of freewill, again i'm not interested. 1 Like |
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