₦airaland Forum

GooseBaba: so an omnipresent god get fine prints...!! Too funny..! Your god na business man..

duh.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?rd=1&word=read+the+fine+print

Dapo777: So I should start reading from Genesis to revelation from an answer you already have?
Can you save me the stress by telling me?

Yes oh, read for yourself. Faith is mainly individual, one can only take another 'this' far.

T.V, phone, traffic, sleep depriving since 1990.

lol, see dodgings and rescues oh. Where are the F presentations.
Oh boy, even Dr. Lake manages to catch something.

mazaje: You think if I have the ability to end world hunger today I will not do it?. . . .What is your god's solution to ebola? Where is the solution that he provided since 2014 years ago?. . .If he has already provided solution to ebola then why is ebola still destroying lives?. . .What are you saying?. . .Your god as portrayed in the Judeo christian mythology is very needy and will be at great loss if every body died of ebola. . .

You side stepped the question. Forget my thought and assumptions and answer the question.

mazaje: Then leave it at that. . don't go telling others and threatening them with imaginary punishment for not believing in your personal and subjective beliefs. . .You beliefs begins and ends with it being your beliefs. . .It is not the reality of others but your own personal and subjective beliefs. . .

i have no idea what you're on about.

Dapo777: So It's the faith that is healing them not the drug formula?
Even If you are talking about the placebo effect, I know about it,Infact I have written an article making reference to the placebo effect here on nairaland.

Something about the placebo effect is this:once you can believe a particular drug is genuine and strong,that particular drug would Bethe most effective for you,It's not just about the faith,It's your brain that is subconsciously healing your body. Every human has the innate ability to "self-healing" If I come to give you a sugar coated piece of chalk and make you believe that I specialize in you illness and the drug that is with me was specifically formulated for your illness,once your brain believes this and you take this drug,you would see how goose pimples would rise on your skin,and how fast you would recover. Now tell me,is it the fake drug,or your faith or your body that healed itself?

What If I told you that I have been healed of a strong headache within a second of taking paracetamol ,that is before the drug even gets to my stomach and start dissolving. Obviously It's not the paracetamol,neither was it my faith,because without the drug the faith is nothing,it was my body that healed itself. Read more on placebo effect.

Read more on faith.

Dapo777: Pardon my ignorance. What are the conditions before God fulfil his promises?

Read the fine prints.

Faith is a multifaceted and much complex subject than for me to sit down and discuss in great details with scoffers. It's that unfortunate for you lot but do take serious notes of the little being given. Not all faith is geared towards healing or being wealthy. Some people have faith to endure suffering, some for righteousness and God regards all the faith.

Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented.

From the above scriptures for instance, faith was used to endure torture, go through trial and imprisonment, stoning, temptations and being destitute. Get your complete bibles please.

TheBigUrban2: So he watches as a child bleeds and sheits himself to death before he then welcomes the dead soul into heaven? That is even if the child is a christian...muslim children over the age of 9 go to hell with their ebola

For the first time, i'd say you're very correct.

Chrisbenogor: Can we safely conclude that all those who have died of ebola have not had faith the size of a mustard seed? You must be a joker! You all just say things that you do not mean. You really do not believe in the power of the lord you just say it.

If they had faith, it was not for their healing. Some believers don't believe God can heal ebola, you know.

mazaje: If he has the ability to heal people he will heal all the kids in Liberia that are dying from Ebola immediately without being consulted, what is his"loving and compassionate" god doing when he sees kids vomiting and bleeding themselves to death?. . .

Valid questions though laced with mockery. Things are not just done simply on the basis that they can be done. Can you help a beggar or even a friend with 50, 000 naira? Maybe yes, but would you?
God has provided His solution to ebola and all pain and suffering since about 2014years ago. He's not at a loss if the whole world died of ebola, go figure.

TheBigUrban2: lol.


First ask yourself what God does when he sees a liberian child dying of Ebola

He welcomes them to a better place.

plaetton: Faith is not belief my friend.

We take drugs because drugs are formulated, tested for safety and side effects, and then approved by a regulating body for sale and public consumption. The dosages are measured, and the efficacy is predictable.

How many hours of prayer, for example, does it take to cure a headache?

Faith is belief and present tensed. Faith the size of a mustard seed will cure headache i guess. What would make you believe that it was prayer that cured the headache. i guess that is the question you should be asking yourself.

Dapo777: And that is enough reason for a whole God Almighty to break His promises?

Are you kidding me?

His promises are conditional. Read the fineprints.

mazaje: We can test it and see how it works like say panadol extra, if you have a mild or severe headache as a result of a stressful day we can give you panadol extra and test its efficacy. . .The bible already has told its readers and believers how prayers are supposed to work. . . we can test that by using children in Liberia as a case study and see how it will work out. . .Saying god that works for you remains an unsubstantiated claim that needs not be believed until tested and shown to be true. . .

i'd be brief, faith is mainly an individual thing. i'm under no pressure or need to substantiate my claim that God works for me.

Dapo777: If you don't believe the drugs would work,will that stop the drugs from working?
You are talking as If faith is essential in medicine.
When a doctor prescribes drug,is he doing so according to faith?

Do They not warn you behind the container of drugs that If you don't see improvement after three days see your doctor? Did They write there that you must have faith in the drug before it works? Or Did They give you 100% assurance that the drug will surely work? But in the Bible we are given 100% assurance that whatever we ask for in prayers would ALWAYS be answered.

Can you see the difference now?

i've seen people who don't improve significantly until given injection of a particular medicine. They believe more in injection and it shows in their body response compared to others. Some people would simply not get well except they see a particular doctor, or hospital, or are admitted into a ward. Some have malaria and until they take a particular drug formula don't show improvement even though other medicine was administered. It is naive and delusional to think that individual faith has no place in health recovery.
BTW, i did not say God and medicine are the same, i know the difference.

GooseBaba: Hehehe.... I hail oooh...

How does one measure faith in order to avoid overdose..

There's so much lack of faith in the world than to worry about an overdose.

frosbel: https://markryman.com/BLOG/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/mammon2.jpg

Good scripture, though like every other verse can be twisted and manipulated. Kindly explain further. Also add if you spend money or have a bank account, thanks. Ah, also, when last did you receive money?

truthislight: "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" (Hebrews 7:5).

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7:8 ).

"Men that dies" no longer receive tithes now with the new high priest.

If you or your GO ever eat of tithes now, you are all will be answereable to the new high priest.

It does not matter whatever you claim.

"Men that dies" no longer receive tithes.

Simple!

The tithe of the OT was said to be given to God, but the bible said it was the livites that collected it, let it be that Your GO is not the one collecting tithe today and claims to collect it for God, like the Livite that collected for God, the Bible still refer to it that it is "Men that dies".

And men that dies only collect then/there/the livites Era. Hence, here/now, with christ as the new high priest, "men that dies" no longer receive tithes.

Be it for God like the livites or for themselves. Whichever way you look at it, "men that dies" no longer receive tithes.

Your cup of tea if you and your GO are not men that dies like the Livites..

You all are really "On Your Own". > OYO

i had to make a quick dash to the throne of grace bro, you do zap grace.
To your post, compare what the verse you quoted says to what you say. Where did "no longer" jump out of?

oxford

income
Line breaks: in¦come
Pronunciation: /ˈɪnkʌm  /
Origin
Middle English (in the sense 'entrance, arrival',
now only Scots):
    


NOUN
Money received, especially on a regular basis,
for work or through investments:
‘he has a nice home and an adequate
income’
[MASS NOUN]: ‘figures showed an overall
increase in income this year’
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
earnings , salary, pay, remuneration, wages ,
stipend , emolument; revenue , receipts,
takings , profits , gains, proceeds, turnover,
yield , dividend, incomings , money received;
means; North American take

---

Wikipedia


Income is the consumption and savings
opportunity gained by an entity within a
specified timeframe, which is generally
expressed in monetary terms.[1] However, for
households and individuals, "income is the
sum of all the wages, salaries, profits,
interests payments, rents and other forms of
earnings received... in a given period of
time." [2]
In the field of public economics , the term may
refer to the accumulation of both monetary and
non-monetary consumption ability, with the
former (monetary) being used as a proxy for
total income. [1]

From dictionary.com
income [ in-kuhm ]
noun
1. the monetary payment received for goods or
services, or from other sources, as rents or
investments.
2. something that comes in as an addition or
increase, especially by chance.
3. a coming in.

Merriam Webster.

Main Entry: in·come
Pronunciation: \ˈin-ˌkəm also ˈin-
kəm or ˈiŋ-kəm\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : a coming in : ENTRANCE , INFLUX
<fluctuations in the nutrient income of
a body of water> 2 : a gain or
recurrent benefit usually measured in
money that derives from capital or
labor ; also : the amount of such gain
received in a period of time <has an
income of $30,000 a year>
© 2014 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Zikkyy: Investopedia:
Money that an individual or business receives in exchange for providing a good or service or through investing capital.

Free dictionary:
The amount of money or its equivalent received during a period of time in exchange for labor or services, from the sale of goods or property, or as profit from financial investments.

Merriam webster:
a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor

Oxford dictionaries:
Money received, especially on a regular basis, for work or through investments

You can add ya own

You are a dishonest fellow. Those dictionaries are online and accessible to all, why did you decide to pick and choose when those sites confirmed what i said about income? i'm on a phone and it's hard to type and properly articulate but i'll go ahead and still paste. INCOME IS SIMPLY YIELD OR INCREASE OR GAIN AND Abraham gave of his income, so did the Israelites.

---

freedictionary

in·come ( n k m )
n.
1. The amount of money or its equivalent
received during a period of time in exchange
for labor or services, from the sale of goods
or property, or as profit from financial
investments.
2. The act of coming in; entrance.
[Middle English, arrival, entrance , from incomen,
to come in, from Old English incuman : in, in;
see in 1 + cuman , to come; see come.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by
Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All
rights reserved.
income ( ˈɪnkʌm; ˈɪnkəm)
n
1. (Economics) the amount of monetary or
other returns, either earned or unearned,
accruing over a given period of time
2. (Commerce) receipts; revenue
3. an inflow or influx
[C13 (in the sense: arrival, entrance): from Old
English incumen a coming in]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and
Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991,
1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
in•come (ˈɪn kʌm)
n.
1. the monetary payment received for goods
or services, or from other sources, such as
rents or investments; revenue; receipts: an
annual income of $25,000.
2. a coming in; influx.
Random House Kernerman Webster's College
Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright
2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All
rights reserved.

it obviously shows that income is not limited to paper currency like you'd have us believe.

truthislight: .

This one has misyarned again, i'm sure. A reputation for being quick to speak and slow to hear needs prayer.

Zikkyy: If this is what you believe, no wahala.



simple. You said Jesus is under the Melchizedek type priesthood, so therefore he must collect tithe because priests under this type of priesthood collects tithe. abi no be so you talk? and we know priests under this type of priesthood don't use intermediary to collect tithe. If you don't know, melchizedek left his temple/palace to meet Abraham at the valley of shaveh to collect his tithe, he did not send anybody. This is how priest under this priesthood collects their tithe. So Jesus cannot use intermediary to collect his tithe o!

If you say an intermediary can collect tithe on behalf of Christ (a deviation from the standard under melchizedek type priesthood), your assertion that Jesus must collect tithe (because Melchi collected tithe) cannot be correct.

You are either lying or assuming a lot, i made no assertions. Jesus is a priest after the order of Melchisedek, it's what the Bible says. Was Jesus a king and a priest 'physically' like Melchisedek? Why must He collect them tithes 'physically'?

Zikkyy: You mean carpenters never tithed carpentry income. If a carpenter tithe his farm produce, he will tithing as a farmer not as carpenter.



Do you have evidence?



Read the reference below one more time. Do you see a command to tithe cash?

Leviticus 27:30-33 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord. 33 No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’”

i do not see ONLY, do you?

Zikkyy: Really? can you explain the bit in blue color...

Leviticus 27:30-33 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord. 33 No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’”



Oga, all tenths cannot be tithe na! the above cannot be correct. Tithe in the bible is always a tenth part of something or the tenth item. For Abraham it was war boot.y, for the Israelite it was farm produce.

Was Abraham's tithe God's tithe? A plain direct answer would greatly aid progress. You know the very context i refer to when i say there is nothing like God's tithe.

Gnoni, those sentences you put up do not address the lies you told, they are just diversionary tactics.

Gombs: Me too, I've decided to dance to that alone

[img]http://ressurectionplayerz.biz/gif/dance.gif[/img]

Hahahaha, very funny. No be small thing oh.

GooseBaba: lmao..!

What is faith?
What is medicine?

Can you measure faith.? Or can you measure medicine?

Abeg answer directly no begin speak in parables..

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, now that is.
Medicine is something you take to get better.
Yes, faith and medicine are measurable.

plaetton: A drug lists and showcases it's efficacy on it's leaflet.
For example take 2 250mg tablets of Tylenol every 4 hours for the relief of minor headaches and fever. That is not faith. that is a scientifically formulated cure. Its efficacy is very very predictable.
No faith, no tithe required.

Faith is belief. Hope you believe your drugs would work?