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mazaje: Answered?. . .Jesus had already spoken, what answers do you need to provide?. . .Are you Jesus?

mazaje: Cos it works even though it has its limitations. . .Can't say the same for any god. . .

mazaje: Medicine did not and has never promised people to answer their wishes when used or "called upon". . .Your god has so will you put you money where you mouth is and stop whining. . .

mazaje: We can put your god to test right now and he will fail as always. . .

Jesus promises many times that he will answer your prayers. For example, in Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Jesus says something similar in Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Do you believe in the bible? If yes then pary to your god to heal ONLY the little children that have been affected with Ebola in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone and lets see how it works out, remember it says what ever you as for in my name with faith i will do it. . .Go ahead and lets see how it will work out. . .

PastorKun: I guess tithes from armed robbery and prostitution is acceptable to your god afterall you once implied that you tithe out of the egunje you collect as a civil servant.

Image123: Does the bible talk about a tithe that is not acceptable to God? If yes, kindly state where.
i really don't expect you to answer do i? Your fort is insults not intelligence or Christianity. i'm expecting your fans to come to the rescue.

plaetton: Well, medicine involves scientific processes that has been since the beginning of time, more rapidly in modern times because of reliance on observable facts and data. We know the limitations of medicine at this stage. No one claims that modern medicine created the universe , or is omnipotent or onmi anything.

Why do you collect money for god if he is no more reliable than modern medicine?
Shouldn't you be advising your church clients to put away 10% of their earnings towards healthcare or healthcare-related emergencies rather paying faith premiums to a fraudulent god?

Goshen360: You don't need my opinion as usual when your mind is made up from your statement - There's nothing like God's tithe. If God defined His tithe and you come here to tell us, there's nothing like God's tithe. What opinion are you seeking? You've being in the forefront of advancing this false tithe teaching for many years on this forum and you've been told the truth in those years but, you are stocked in traditions and religion and seems not to want to set yourself free by the simplicity of the gospel. What I know is, we will continue to challenge this false tithe teachings for Christians as long as you people are not tired.

mazaje: No matter the case or situation god wins. . .LOL. . I was so surprised when the TV clown(as my man rightly called him) TB Joshua caved in and agreed to the Lagos state government not to allow Ebola victims into his church?. . .Where is the miracle working god my Nigerian brothers and sisters keep yapping about all day. . .Its a miracle working god when people have headaches and little aliments like chest pains and back pain, when obvious and great disaster strikes all the gods that Nigerians worship always run away leaving them. . .

plaetton: Why don't you head over to Liberia to collect your tithes.



In fact, I can wager that the tithe thieves of Nigeria such as Adeboye, Oyaks, Oyedepo, T Clown Joshua and others will not only avoid their tithe-paying customers in especially Liberia for the mean time, but I am also predicting that they will Jet-Off to a safe Western country till all this Ebola problem cools off.

No laying of hands till further notice.

Anybody wanna bet me?

Goshen360: Answer yourself because you said, there's nothing like God's tithe.

delishpot: LOL. No be small. phd stands for People hail devil. Everyone who has PhD should stop saying it.

Goshen360: Haaaa, Imageeeeee. Why are you lying in disguise you're debunking "14 tithing lies".

If there's nothing like God's tithe, the ones you and your cohorts collect\receive and\or pay, in whose name is it collected? On whose behalf do you collect or pay it? Who do you say owns the tithe you paying or collecting from people?

DrummaBoy: In the thread by Tgirl4real on God speaking to people I answered two questions you directed at me. You have not indicated whether you understood those answers, if your question were answered at all or to even recognize the fact that I took some effort to answer those questions.

Until I see you do this I would assume that the questions you ask are not meant to find light for your understanding but to cast a stumbling block on the discussion. Thus, like with Image123, I do not have the time for individual like that. Scripture records Pharisees and Sadducees asking Jesus questions to "catch him in his words". You will need to prove to me you have purer motives.

BabaGnoni: ^^^
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SMH.
Almost thou persuadest me you were a "Christian"

PastorKun: It's obvious that it doesn't to you if the tithe is acceptable to God. All that matters is that it is acceptable to you and your fellow fraudsters.

DrummaBoy: I hope OLAADEGBU has received the response to the OP he has been pleading for. Its not that one could not respond to what the OP posted, it is the fact that the OP is hard of hearing, and no one is in the business of pouring water on the back of a duck.

Thank you Zikky for the succinct responses. Your labour of love will not go unrewarded.

Zikkyy: Tithe was never income, it was agric produce. and Abraham was not in the business of 'reaping' spoils of war. It was possible for the farmers to sell part of their produce for the purpose of purchasing other necessities, the sales proceed was never tithed.

Zikkyy: Image123, you are relying on one of Jesus tales by moonlight to prove that tithe was more than just agric produce Na wa for you You see an instance of a jew giving more than just agric produce and it becomes your justification for asking for tithe of raw cash. BTW did God command that Jews fast twice a week? the answer is NO!, did God command that Jews tithe everything they own? the answer is NO! this was a clear case of 'over-sabi' or ITK and Jesus was not impressed (and i don't see any reason why i should be impressed). to think you rely on this tale to justify ya tithe of raw cash. image123 you no dey try at all

Zikkyy: No wahala. also note that under Melchisedek type priethood, the highpriest is physically present to receive the tithe. i.e. no intermediary so if you must give tithe to Jesus because 'Melchisedek received tithes', you will have to borrow ya pastor's private jet to deliver the tithe to Jesus (that's assuming you are not a pastor )



So you even know the purpose of the tithe There is nothing wrong with the 'church' agreeing to a donation amounting to 10% their income as contribution to funding the church project(s). But it should not be referred to as God's tithe.

Zikkyy: Atleast you agree that itis possible for soldiers, lawyers e.t.c to have field for part-time farming. If soldiers tithed, be sure it was farm produce and nothing more. That was the command; farm produce only.

God specified the type of sea food that was edible, he specified the types of wild animals & birds that edible. What we did not read him say was that fisher men should tithe their fish; we don't read him saying hunters should tithe their bushmeat, yet Israelite made gains from fishing and hunting. So its not just about vegetables and animals, it was about farm produce.

Zikkyy: You can say tithe is '1/10 of anything or something'. what you don't know is that most 1/10th do not qualify as God's tithe (and acceptable to him). We are interested in God's tithe not that of man. You can keep your definition of tithe, we'll go with God's definition.....

Leviticus 27:30-33 (NIV)
30 “‘A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord. 31 Whoever would redeem any of their tithe must add a fifth of the value to it. 32 Every tithe of the herd and flock—every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd’s rod—will be holy to the Lord. 33 No one may pick out the good from the bad or make any substitution. If anyone does make a substitution, both the animal and its substitute become holy and cannot be redeemed.’”

DrummaBoy: abi o

"ordinance of man" indeed.

One would have thought that any careful reader will see that 1pet 2:13 was referring to civil laws governing nations.

Well, of course, if we accept "ordinances of man" as church rules to tithe, then the much vaunted free will tithing will be a sham and we would return to the real gist, which is that modern tithing scheme are "doctrines of men" or better still "ordinance of men"

Zikkyy: Key word here highlighted blue

Candour: However whenever you develop interest again, those unanswered questions will be waiting.

Cheers bro.

OLAADEGBU: Don't ask questions answer the OP.

Candour: No my friend. You and I have a long history on tithe discussions and the threads are there for folks to see. We had a 58 day discussion on this same issue some months ago. Believe it when I say I'm not interested in convincing you to change your position because most likely, you won't. You can also conclude same about me and you won't be wrong. You can see then that a discussion on tithe between you and I will be an exercise in futility. What will we talk about that we've not talked about before?

Jesus never collected tithe as he wasn't a levite, neither did he pay tithe as he was a carpenter and much later; an itinerant preacher. The bible records him as living on freewill donations. Did he break the law so doing?

The apostles never collected tithe because none was a levite working at the temple neither did they pay tithe because none was a farmer and even if they were, after their call by Christ, they became itinerant preachers like him and also lived off the bag of freewill donations and free meals from generous folks. Did they fail God so doing?

The early church never paid tithes to the apostles neither did the apostles demand tithes from anybody. Folks who had gave willingly and freely to a common fund and it was used strictly to cater for the needs of those in need: they had all things common. Are they sinners for not tithing?

When Paul came on the scene, he continued the same process of collecting freewill donations from Christians that had to succour those that didn't have. It was freewill with no stipulated percentages. Did the gentile church sin by not paying tithes to Paul?

The Jewish temple was destroyed in 70AD when general Titus overran Jerusalem hence preventing the Jews, for whom tithe laws were instituted from observing it till this day.

When then did tithing enter the picture as a cardinal christian doctrine? Catholic history has it that tithing for the Christian church was first mooted at a council in 585AD before becoming canon law in 787AD: over 700 years after the birth of the church and even then, it remained strictly farm and animal produce according to the dictates of the Mosaic law setting it up. Does it mean all the Christians that lived in that era including the apostles are doomed to eternal damnation because they didn't tithe? (If some prominent tithe pastors are to be believed).

What do tithe promoters know today that the early Christians didn't? Consider also that the catholic church that imposed it on Christians have even retraced their steps and now advocate freewill giving.

Most tithe preachers hammer on Malachi 3:8-11as if that is the only portion of scripture that talks about tithing but worse is the fact that they make it look like that is the portion of scripture where God gave the tithe laws.

Prophet Malachi did not institute the tithe laws. He only wrote a reminder of the tithe laws God gave Moses for the children of Isreal and these laws can be found in the following scriptures

Lev 27:30-34

Num 18:21-32

Deut 14:22-29, Deut 26:12-15

A reminder was given when the Israelites came back from captivity by Nehemiah even before Malachi

Nehemiah 10:37-39

shdemidemi: This much hogwash in one single thread!

This image sef

Candour: I saw the thread you created my friend. Wish you a great party there and much more.

Happy this thread can now proceed in peace.

Cheers man