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PastorKun: You are obviously a certified m0ron and a delusional lunatic, I won't bother to engage you in any discussion as it is obvious you are trying to protect your source of filthy lucre.

You've got such a foul mouth. You have more issues than tithe wrong with you. Hope you're ready for the coming of the Lord Jesus? Your friends ought to tell you even if it is privately, they're not speaking up.

DrummaBoy: See now...

I dey use diplomacy dem dey call me "an hypocrite".

Oya Bidam and Image123, answer dis one o!

You're an inconsistent hypocrite. Just some days ago, you said that tithe was nothing on that tract thread you're active in. Now, it's the biggest fraud. Get your acts right.

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shdemidemi: Is tithing a free will form of giving?

Tithing CAN BE a freewill form of giving.

DrummaBoy: BTW Image123

It is "a hypocrite" not "an hypocrite"

"an" is used for words that starts with vowels and not consonants.

Thought to chip in that bit of correction seeing its your usual past time too.

You're faster to talk than to listen. It is not a wrong rendition, listen to correction instead of looking for correction.

Proverbs 11:9 An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.

DrummaBoy: You should have followed Bidam in keeping silent. You remember what Solomon said about a fool looking wise in silence? In that, at least, he is wiser than you.

In other words, you are calling me a fool?

Bidam: why did you even bother aswering himself my statements were clear enough for sincere viewrs.imagine my shock and surprise wth the concocted lies he spewed against me in his last post.Thats was why i didnt wanna reply.Let his friends mistake my silence fr foolishness.There is wisdom i keeping mute wen lies are spoken against you.Thanks bro

You're welcome, beloved.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

Point to note as we continue is that everything is not all clear. Some things are mystery or mysterious. Some things you have to learn and do deep study and research. God put some stones on the surface and close to the surface, more is hidden underneath the surface/sub-surface. What we have and see is usually a tip of the iceberg as it were. That one is born again or a new creature in Christ doesn't automatically erase some things, and there are things one may not know too. According to this verse, IT IS POSSIBLE that brethren are IGNORANT on some issues, both spiritual and secular. One might have Holy Ghost and anointing and still be ignorant on many fronts. Believers should note that, knowledge is not necessarily holiness or anointing.
So, Paul didn't want gentile Romans to be ignorant of a certain mystery. That extends to us as we hold the book of Romans and other books in the Bible. We need not be ignorant, ignorance deceives us(wise in your own conceits). Blindness IN PART i.e partial blindness is happened to Israel, the natural Israel, UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. The people of Israel are PARTIALLY blind to the truth and the gospel. They are not completely blind, some still saw and see. Paul and the 12 apostles were jews and of Israel. The 3000 that were saved on the day of Pentecost at Peter's message were all Jews and children of Israel. But the majority of Israel both then and till now are partially blind to the new covenant and the gospel. No one should sit down and wallow in self pity fulfilling negative prophecy like this, or like the love of many will wax cold, and then they go backslide. You too can be a Paul, a Peter, a John etc who were not blinded but believed in Jesus.
We are in the period of the Gentiles. It is your time and my time. Most of us can more easily and readily believe and embrace the truth, compared to the Jews. Take advantage of the opportunity.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The times of the gentiles started after Jesus went to Calvary and tore the vail of the temple as it were, opening the door for the Gentiles. The Gentiles are "coming in" or at least expected to. There will be a time when this elapses. Thread syllabus doesn't reach that one. Anyway, take advantage of this time and do come in.
A question that may come up is why there is no simultaneous coming inS. Why does the door of the Israel coming in have to close in part. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. The Israelites refused to believe and that judgement fell on them as prophesied.
Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

God's Word is so sweet and truth, more current than tomorrow's news headlines. The natural Jews today are majorly averse to Christ and the gospel. And as unique as they are, they are enemies to many a gentile. this is a fact and truth 10 United Nations cannot erase as is evident if you follow world events.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

In the future however, that door will be opened again. What a mystery. For now, this time, they are not priority on the agenda. You and i are priority. You need to understand the times and function in it, key into it.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

At that time, But NOW. We are the Israel of God, God's beloved. God's grace through faith in Christ Jesus has enabled this to be. Glory be to God.

DrummaBoy: Bidam

When your true nature is revealed and you find yourself boxed in a corner, you begin to spit venom in all direction. Now you want me to apologize to you... Isokay, let's go there.

This appeared in my mentions. You are an hypocrite. You were kind of applauding and encouraging him and saying stuff like "a man of conscience and can bow to truth". Of course, we know that is all snake talk, except one agrees with you.

I was not the one who wrote "I AM ALSO AGAINST COERCED GIVING IN ANY FORM..." You did. Pls note "IN ANY FORM..." I took the pain to show you that your position on this forum is for coerced giving. You will not say you are supporting coerced giving bc that will reveal your falsehood outrightly.

Tithing does not have to be coerced, you need to pray to understand that phrase in bold.

But you support people who play out visions of hell for folks who do not tithe. You hear of assemblies that make it compulsory to tithe and you say nothing against it. You support individuals who come and say you must pay your tithe or burn in poverty. You were here when OLAADEGBU was publishing visions of hell against anti tithers until Pastor Kumuyi spoke against such demonic visions and you said nothing. You were here when Image123 was advocating tithing for 58 days here on a tithe discuss and you said nothing.

Life does not start or end on NL, get that and get a life. He does not have to go attacking anybody on NL even if he does not share their views. You also lie boldly when you say that he supports without any proof.

You claim there is no scripture that say Christians should not tithe but you refuse to acknowledge there is equally no scripture that says Christians must tithe.

Christians can tithe according to 2Timothy 3v16.

The position of anti tithers has been:

Tithing should not be coerced; it should not be compulsory: 2 Corinthians 9:6.

That the obligation to tithe is a Jewish practice and not Christian.

That tithing is only one of the 613 laws of Moses and the church cannot abrogate 612 through the cross and hang unto only one in the name of monetary gain.

That if at all anyone must tithe, it must be free will.

That Malachi 3:8-12 is not an admonition to Christians but to Jews.

That the tithe should stop being called money or ten percent of ones income. That the biblical tithe was food, a tenth of agricultural products from the holy land God gave Israel.

That modern ministers who preach about tithes more than they preach about anything else are fraudsters, thieves, false prophets and rogues.

That Jesus and his apostles never collected tithes.

That tithing is much like circumcision, sabbath observance, sacrifices, new moon observance and others that the apostles clearly showed were not Christian obligations: Colosians 2:16ff.

And so on...

Speak for yourself and for some of your fellows that have managed to listen a bit to some of what we have consistently said for years on this forum

For you to be come and begin singing, "I am against coercive giving in any kind"..., is to be speaking with the two sides of your mouth and it is called inconsistency.

You may continue to spew out venom, it doesn't change the fact that your true nature has been unveiled. I do not believe I have any more to talk to you about. And please shelve that talk of apologies.

He sang? i missed it.

Nothing so smart or out of the ordinary in nigerian students cheating. It simply takes the WILL of the invigilator. Most are corrupt and more interested in victimization and bribery. Some are just lazy and clueless.

i have to recline to checking up from time to time having read drumb's unintelligible last post to me. It seems the sanest decision to make at the moment.

trustman:
Why the fascination with names? Why not just learn so that whatever name presents a
falsehood or error, today, tomorrow, whenever, you will be quick to spot it and take steps
accordingly?

Oh me. Is this not what a certain Ihedinobi was kind of advocating, and your jolly friends were wringing scriptures?

trustman: I think you are the one itching to see names named and you have indeed done some yourself.
Why the fascination with names? Why not just learn so that whatever name presents a
falsehood or error, today, tomorrow, whenever, you will be quick to spot it and take steps
accordingly?

what? why am i shocked?

trustman: Db has really said it all. I'll just add a little more.
What I see you attempt to do is to try to punch 'holes' in what is presented without really offering a viable solution.
Go back to the first post and see what this thread stands for.

Mathew 11:17 - "'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.'

Wouldn't you agree that Nigerians need to be warned about a danger that may or may not be at their door steps? That you may not know it is at the door steps does not mean it is not so.

Be more constructive. If we say so and so are not biblical and you have a place in scripture to show otherwise state it.

You've not seen well. i understand drumb cannot see at all. If i attempted to punch holes in what you have said, you will be exasperated by now. i'd pick all your posts and 'punch' about every sentence. i only mistakenly wanted to take you serious only to read what i read. Viable solutionss have already being given in the mother thread 'that died', talk about playing the flute. Set right priorities. Its not news that there are false prophets and brethren around. What you're doing is not a solution but a subversion of careless souls.

DrummaBoy: Well you said it yourself: you have comprehension issues.

And usually such "issues" are solved by re-reading the given texts. So take the advice you propose to trustman above and read both his text and mine again.

Nairaland might be owned by a Nigerian with mostly Nigerians as members but the fact that it uses a www medium makes it transcend Nigeria. Also, WOF is not a Nigerian concept. It is American; Nigerians are simply wannabes. Nevertheless, even the Nigerian link to Holy laughter has been suggested in my post which I doubt you have read.

So i re-read and it seems tman does not know what he is saying. The word "THESE" is plural. That means it refers to more than one. That means you are not talking or specific on laughter. To further cement this, he said " a distinguishing feature of the meetings of many well known WoF preachers". Hopefully, you know the meaning of 'distinguishing feature'. The meetingS of MANY WELL KNOWN preacherS. Yet no well known preacher in Nigeria mentioned or deemed fit by you. You claim to have one private one in Ibadan anyway. Can we safely conclude that those preachers i named are not WOF? To think you fellows have being itching to name names. Don' t disappoint ohhh. Also, kindly be clear on who these wannabes are. Is it Adeboye, or Oyedepo, or Kumuyi, or Oyakhilome, or who? Try to be as specific as you've been fighting to be.

MarkMiwerds: That is because God has given me a ministry to expose the false teachers of the monetary tithe requirement doctirne... such as you.

hahahahaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, God has given me a ministry, you people will not injure people with jokes one day.

Zikkyy: Are you saying joagbaje's church converted 40 million muslims to christ embassy? what exactly is the nature of this 'impact'? wasting peeps tithe in sudan abi? una know how to lie sha.

Are you on pension? You're sounding too old or this things.

Oh so these hypocrites are okay with posting antitithe arguments trying to gain a prosylete but once a pro-tithe post is made, you start hearing about tracts and derailing. Me and God, we are watching you people live.
Joe, you do have to improve that writing. i no fit read am, i only know by your suitors' close marking that they are doing rcruitment.

DrummaBoy: While trustman did say laughing in the spirit is a distinguishing feature in WOF, he has not said that it is in Nigeria, neither did he list any of the ministers you listed as practicing it, nor was "distinguishing feature" the only thing he said in that post.

First, from what has been said on this thread, it has been shown that WOF is not a denomination or church per se; rather it is a movement that espouse certain doctrines through key individuals like Kenyon and Hagin. The unfortunate consequence in our clime is adding WOF to the pentecostal mix.

Secondly, lauging in the spirit is not common in Nigeria but I have seen drunkeness in the Spirit. And I have heard of an Ibadan minister espousing and practising laughing in the spirit. Majority of those who are critical enough, despite espousing WOF, have enough sense not to permit this rubbish in their meetings.

Despite this, the fact that the (supposed) father of WOF, Kenneth E. Hagin espoused, taught and practiced lauging in the spirit warrant a need to discuss it here.

i was hoping to take you fellows serious this once. It's either we take what you're saying at face value or not. Tman said THESE phenomenons(i guess he meant phenomena). Then he clearly (or so i thought) said "They have become a distinguishing feature of the meetings of many well known WoF preachers". It's either i have comprehension issues or he doesn't know what he is writing. You're talking to a Nigerian audience on a Nigerian forum.

trustman: First, I take it that you know about being 'slain in the spirit'.
If you have not heard about the 'Holy laughter' then remember the saying "to be forewarned, is to be forearmed".
It's good to have advance knowledge to warn you when you do meet with the 'occurrences '.

i take it that you did not read what i wrote.

*distinguishing features you say? i've NEVER seen this(LAUGHTER) in Nigeria, not even in recent times or as a distinguishing feature in foreign supposedly WOF meetings. Is there no WOF movement in Nigeria? Is Oyedepo, Kumuyi, Oyakhilome, Adeboye etc WOF? Name callers anybody?

chidekings: thats the irony of the whole thing

Perhaps you 'came to believe' an assumption?

Tallesty1: He said a special prayer for Peter. Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

All His prayers were special i guess, i concur they're not all recorded though.

BabaGnoni: I can't exactly see your point.
I think stating the point clearly, in detail, and leaving no room for confusion or doubt what the point is would be a good idea.
So why would Judas commit suicide then, if Peter disappointed everybody just like him but he didn't commit suicide despite

i guess we'll have to ask somebody why in eternity.

i want to keep it private please, thanks. i simply liked and learnt something from that part. You're overreacting i think.

chidekings: u know,we have been come to believe that anything God says must happen,but to me why will people that know nothing about an issue suffer for God's words to come to pass

i'm aware God said every man everywhere should repent. That's not happening.

BabaGnoni: Do you always peddle one-liners?
State clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt what the reason(s) is please, was the request.

Did Peter too not disappoint everybody?
Why would Judas commit suicide based on that and Peter wouldn't?

My point exactly. Peter didn't commit suicide despite disappointing everybody.

BabaGnoni: ...and what would that "something else" be?

private, thanks.

BabaGnoni: Doesn't satan enter everyone else?
Didn't satan enter Eden, as an example, to start with?
God even allows satan free rein, as Job will testify
Satan goes anywhere satan likes
Satan is always walking up and down, patrolling the earth, watching everyone and everything that goes on
which is why one is advised to be watchful, be alert, be sober, mindful and not to give satan a foothold

i'll get back to this i hope. i'll need a bible to refresh. But in one breath, i mean the 'foothold' thing. satan had a foothold.

BabaGnoni: State clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt what the reason(s) is please.

He disappointed everybody.

BabaGnoni: Have you ever tried pottery,
where you put the clay on the pottery wheel to make a vase
The clump of clay is always resisting you shaping it into the vase
The clump of clay will fall off the pottery wheel unfinished and damaged, the moment you let go your hands in molding it
Keep your hands on it until the end, you'll have a beautiful vase

loved this part, for something else though not this issue.

BabaGnoni: How do you mean? What are you on about?
Why would Peter want to intentionally kill himself?
What for, what over, what about?

Same reason Judas allegedly committed suicide.

Tallesty1: Yea....... Because Jesus prayed for him.

i thought Jesus prayed for all His disciples?