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DrummaBoy: Yeah right...

I told you before that this is not child's play.

So if you cannot point our the lies then shhhhh... keep quiet!

license obtained, i warned you. The scriptures quoted are not child's play. Get revelation.

DrummaBoy: So you posted scriptures and then what?

Has anyone been speaking from head knowledge here? Has sufficient scriptures not been provided for the matters being discussed here?

What's the big deal with posting or even quoting scriptures? The devil also did the same in Matthew 4.

What's is the relevance of the scriptures quoted in the light of the subject being discussed and how does it translate to New Testament Christian living? That's the point.

And don't just run around shouting someone is lying; point out the lie in the light of RELEVANT scriptures or keep quiet.

errmmm meaning they are the inspired writings of the Holy Spirit, not the British bulldog spirit.
i'd be spoiling the party if i pointed out the lieS. You don't really want that do you?

BabaGnoni: https://s30.postimg.org/3qkwuuelp/plugging_Ears.jpg

The Old "British Bulldog Spirit" in the genes seems to be in action there
It may also have had some help from the DNA.

Whoever is wise, let him understand these things;
whoever is discerning, let him know them;
for the ways of the LORD are right, and the upright walk in them,
but transgressors stumble in them
- Hosea 14:9 ESV

But if you have bitter zeal, and there be contentions in your hearts;
glory not, and be not liars against the truth.
- James 3:14 Douay-Rheims Bible

anger and fury on those who, in selfish pride, refuse to believe the truth and who follow what is wrong.
- Romans 2:8 GOD'S WORD® Translation

Why the British bulldog spirit in Image123's genes?
Scientists believe they have discovered the gene which explains stubborn and bullheaded behaviour.
An estimated one-third of us has the gene mutation
which researchers say is nature's way of ensuring there are always some who "shall never surrender".
The team at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Germany say such historical greats
as Image123 Lord Nelson, Sir Winston and suffragette leader Emily Pankhurst probably have had it.

^{Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-505786/Why-British-bulldog-spirit-genes.html#ixzz38u7q1efA}

You no serious oh, na me get bulldog spirit ke? Anyway, what i posted is actually a Bible verse, not just my words. What you posted is well crafted lies.

So then we will not be children any more. Clever people may try to make us believe things that are not true. They may teach different kinds of ideas, to confuse us. But we will not be like children, who are easy to confuse. We will not let those different ideas change what we believe.(the definition of APT).


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

With all the stories and concocted lies on display, i just laugh knowing that the Word of God abides forever. Carefully crafted words have no say.

frosbel: "and [Saul who became Paul] asked for letters from him to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, both men and women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem." (Acts 9:2).

"However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets," - Acts 24:14


Christianity was never meant to be used to define followers of Jesus, in fact Paul never referred to himself as a Christian and neither did the Jewish or Gentile early believers.

They were called Christian by others , they did not use this term themselves and in fact it has been insinuated that the word Christian was used in a derogatory manner.

Christianity as a religion was founded by that PAGAN Emperor Constantine and a lot of Christendom still imbibes many of the practices he introduced and sanctioned through the apostate bishops.

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Christian simply means follower of Christ, like some unbelievablers call believers pastor, Jesus' mother. Life is not as complex as some of you twist it.

OLAADEGBU: Where Was the Garden of Eden Located?

Most Bible commentaries state that the site of the Garden of Eden was in the Middle East, but what does Scripture actually tell us?

That tree no dey there again oh bro.lol.

http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/currentarticlep20.htm

highyo my man, you'd love this article.It says one or two things for every christian though.

nora544: and I know what I am doing open the eyes from some brainwashed nigerian who will say to all what a pastors will thell them amen or haleluyah.

I know of the lifestile of your so called great man of God!!!!!!!!

Okay, good luck.

nora544: What I post is the money from all the people in my country and we are about 8 million!!!!!!!!!! from this offering!!!!!!!!!! and that is only one offering, the church has to show all the offerings like i post it!!!!!!!!!!!

We didnot need to make this offering that we help that people in poor countries can help and that they have a car that they can reach people in poor districts!!!!!!!!!!



I didnot have a church, I am a churchmember and I have friends good friends who belong to different churches!!!!!!!and one is a Bishop from the old catholics in my country and he was born in Nigeria, was a priest in Nigeria, was a teacher in Nigeria in Ibadan, he study in my country, went back in his country and he come back to make his PHD. a girlfriend is a pastor in a lutheran church, a good friend make at the moment his PHD in religion and his PHD thesis is about the new churches and the influence in the society in the world!!!!!!!and I have friends in nigeria who have parents who are pastors!!!!!!!!!
I know from what I write when I see the different lifestil.
My girlfriend the pastor and also teacher for religion.
I have a very good contact to a catholic secondary school in nigeria and what i hear from a nun last year when she was in my country to learn how a school is working in my country, we are still in contact!!!!!!!

i don't intend to condemn or criticize what you do, i'll leave that to the usual suspects. If i posted what you posted and change the church name to Adeboye, they'd have resumed duty and be up and doing. All i'm saying is if you're going to be pointing fingers at others, know what you're doing.

nora544: It is only one offering but we know what the church make with the offering.

Our pastors and priest didnot have this big cars like this so called great man of God.
Or pastors didnot jet to Uk in a private jet for a wedding!!!!!!!
Nigerian Pastors like therir own life more and are a disgrace for a real christian because they love the luxury lifestile of a popstar and that belong to all af this pentecostal Pastors!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the University of the RCCG church got money from the worldbank and still the University is to expensive for normal nigerians!!!!!!!!!!

i don't want to or care to discuss rccg's issues with you. However, one thing i'm sure of is that it is still people like you that would question the audacity and biblical basis of Pastor Adeboye asking his members to give any amount based on kilometers they transported themselves without accident. You would still condemn why and how rccg can generate a 5million Euros offering at one take. You would condemn redeem pastors for using 30million naira for administration costs, you would scream for ages at Pastor Adeboye using 39million for donation promotions. You won't see the 'lovely' things you're praising here. Well, it's your church not Adeboye's so therefore you're all clean.

nora544: The last sunday we had the offering for MIVA

MIVA is a Catholic lay Association. We exist to provide one vital element for the success of the Church's health and pastoral work in areas of great need - a means of transport.

When you want to give you give for every kilometer you drive without an accident 0,001 euro for this NOG organisation!!!!

and what we know in my country that we see what the church make with every euro they get from this offering can you say the same for nigerian churches!!!!!!!!!

The offering from last year was € 4.769.617,40 and they could buy 2.821 cars, boats, bikes.... and they send it in 56 different countries and also to nigeria The administration costs was 2,92% and they need 3,82% for the donation promotion

I only want to ask you if this is possible in nigeria!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nigeria is not as organised as that, i think. However there are different types of offerings just as what you described above.

Good to see that you are actually working on that laziness. It gives hope that there are changes whether consciously or unconsciously. However, that your 'train' is broken and declared unsafe oh. i will show why/how.

FortresOfChrist: Tithe has caused many problems in christianity including my family until we discovered the truth and now we are free.

This fellow says Tithe has caused many problems in christianity. That is wrong. Some people pay and teach tithes without any problems or issues all through their lives. There are greater problems and rooted issues in christianity. There are churches where tithing is practiced and has been practiced that are not affluent. There are millions who are tithers and have never heard the antitithe arguments and they are living relatively contented and fulfilled lives. Some orthodox churches and christians preach and believe in tithing for centuries without friction. The recent internet noise about antitithe is what has caused more problems for the few that have being influenced by it.
Anyways, i simply stated a rooted truth about what has caused many problems, not just in christianity but all over the world.

Image123: Rather the love of money has caused many problems.

i didn't think about or refer to that fellow's personal or family problems. i basically stated a Biblical position, that the love of money is the root of evil(paraphrased). You also seemed to agree to the position that tithe is not the real issue sometime last week ithink, though you soon contradicted yourself some days later.

nora544: And who brought the money issue into the church, the pastors from the new churches!!!!!!!!! With their lifestile!!!!!!!!!!!
I only remember who can give me 10 Million naira he will see me
who will give 1 million naira will see my seretary
who will give me 100 000 naira will see........
that is the beginning of the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nora and some others responded to my statement about the love of money. i responded to Candour's to clarify what needed to be clear. nora's post has no bearing but since Gosh picked on it, it joins our 'train of thought'. Nora says pastors in new churches brought money issue into the church. That's wrong and ignorant. Money is an integral part of life and the early christians talked about money and spent money. Poverty or abstaining from money is not spirituality. Even Jesus used money, so saying new pastors brought money simply makes no sense. Like saying our president brought facebook to Nigeria, lol.
She also said that she remembers the part i coloured green. i'm sorry i do not remember it. Only Goshen seems to remember with her though they are yet to tell us who said it and where or when. You, drumb wrote that Pastor Adeboye said something similar.

Image123: Stop overreacting. i didn't attack the fellow personally, but made a general statement. The love of money has caused many problems. This is a plain scriptural truth that you don't have to twist sentimentally.

There is where i clarified with Candour.

Goshen360: We know who made those statement but Image123 so respect the "anointed man of God" that he can't even tell the truth the man is wrong. Holding the word of truth in hypocrisy

Goshen is yet to tell us who made those statement. What you are saying that Pastor Adeboye said is different from that. But for assumption sake, supposing that Pastor Adeboye made the statement, well that Gosh and Nora knows don't mean i must know. i don't know when he made such statement if he ever did. However, Goshen in his omniscience claims that i respect the man of God and can't tell the truth, holding the word of truth in hypocrisy. That's high sounding mumbo jumbo. i was talking about love of money causing problem, Nora is remembering things that i have no idea of, i'm supposed to "tell the truth the man is wrong". Put yourself in my shoes if you can, he's saying rubbish basically.

Image123: You fellows are very frequent accusers. Beware, accusation is two ways, you MAY BE wrong or right. False witness or false accusation is still a sin in the new testament period.
i don't know what you're talking about BTW.

Here i caution him(Gosh) to be careful lest he is falsely accusing me. Heck, come to think of it, he might even be falsely accusing Adeboye. There is no credible source provided as to corroborate whether Pastor Adeboye said that or not. i searched and i saw just two ONLINE news site that claim that. Common, i really do not believe everything news people say just because they say so, do you? Not to mention hungry ONLINE sites looking for visitors.

Goshen360: What I'm saying is, speak the truth even when your "favourite" man of God make unhealthy statements. Don't be partial, half truth is as good as speaking lies.

Omniscient Gosh somehow concludes that Pastor Adeboye is my favorite man of God. How he manages to arrive at such conclusion might only boil down to omniscience. He seems to know what i do not know about me sef. He talks some stuff about half truth. i hope he can show me what part of what i have said is truth(half truth in this measurement). He also says that Pastor Adeboye has made unhealthy statements. Well, Pastor Adeboye is not here, i'd rather spend my time correcting people that i have access to and who will reply and discuss, than making silly comments on what other people said. i don't usually do gossip. Also, i initially didn't find Nora's post relevant as it didn't address what i said. She simply "remembered" who can give me 10 Million naira he will see me etc. That didn't ring any obvious bell for me, or inspire me to "speak the truth even when your "favourite" man of God make unhealthy statements".

Image123: Show how i am partial please. And who is my favorite man of God.

i asked the obvious question.

Goshen360: You know who I'm talking about - Your Daddy G.O When Adeboye made that statement, what did you come up with? He's wrong?

Here again, he assumes that i know what he is on about. He assumes Pastor Adeboye to be my daddy G.O and my favorite man of God. Well, he's not. When did Adeboye make his statement? Your post says it was last year. i did not know when he made it and i did not come up with anything. Even now that i'm being told when he ALLEGEDLY made it, it's hard to come up with anything. i hardly discuss people, i'd rather discuss personally with a person. If Pastor Adeboye is here and he says something, we can discuss on what he said. So here on NL, i'd rather correct directly. You'd hardly see me correcting someone who is not there. But since you both seem eager to know my opinion on if he's wrong IF HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT. Well, what he said has almost nothing to do with love of money(which was the focus of the TRAIN) except you guys now have a device that sees other's motives. He's simply raising funds for their church project. There are various methods of fundraising. Nothing wrong with him telling the bigger categories to see his personal secretary. That might be for accountability. If you are giving out billions or millions of naira, it is safe that the church knows who is giving so that they can at least question your source. i wouldn't want an anonymous Achan or philistine doing something huge for me, only for me to have problems later maybe with the police or even God. Now RCCG has millions of people as members, not everyone can see Adeboye's secretary personally or need to. Also, not many would give those categories mentioned. Some of these stuff is just common sense, and people who love and trust each other(as believers) do not need to make issues and mountains out of it.

Image123: i don't get it. What makes anyone my daddy g.o? What makes my daddy g.o my favorite man of God?
When did Adeboye make a statement? What did you come up with when or if he made a statement? Are you omniscient?

i asked Goshen this question but he developed cold feet. Drumb tried to come to his rescue. Well, i'd gladly leave it here. But i trust antitithers, many of them would come and take one phrase or group of sentences that they want to start some arguments about.

Goshen360: Keep playing games and jumping around. Everyone knows who you are. Keep asking me when Adeboye made such statement and when this, when that. You are known to defend Adeboye with all kinds of twisting and gimmicks.

Here's Goshen dodging my questions and frustratedly accusing me.

Image123: Can you answer the questions or you have no answers that don't further implicate you? At least, they are not recycled questions like the majority of questions here. Kindly answer, i'm not playing games. You're the one dishing out accusations which seem false.

End of drumb's train i guess.

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DrummaBoy: The train of discussion that led to Adeboye's statement and Image123 questions:



My Deduction:

Please note the train of thoughts. The obvious reason for Image123 asking the questions is to reach the conclusion that no one knows the motive of Adeboye for raising 1 billion for a church auditorium. Since we are not omniscient we shouldn't question him or raise the issue.

i asked the questions to know what Goshen was harping about. Stop stating your assumptions and suppositions as reality. i'm not interested in Adeboye raising one hundred naira. i simply stated a bible truth that the love of money has caused more problems around the world.

But notice that Image123 is omniscient enough to question the motive of ForteofChrist (FoC)who testified of how God saved her family from tithes. Image knows her heart enough to blame it on the love of money. Or should we conclude that Image should not judge FoC motive for saying what she said?

i've explained myself on this. You can read i'm sure.

As to the questions Image is bandying around. Here they are:

What makes anyone my daddy g.o?

The very fact that you are very ready to defend him, even if it means twisting arguments to your own confusion.

i'm ready to defend Olaa, i'm ready to defend Bidam, i'm ready to defend the defenseless, i'm ready to defend the truth.

What makes my daddy g.o my favorite man of God?

Same reason above. Though I question he is the favorite. There is Oyedepo too. These are the men who we should blame for making threads like this this long. They are the ones who teach compulsory tithing. "Tithe or burn". "Tithe or things will be tithe for you".

My daddy G.O(whatever that means) does not have to be my favorite man of God. i hope Gosh can come up with better answers to the questions which are directed at him. He's old enough, he can speak for himself.

When did Adeboye make a statement?

Check the link I provided.

The link is not credible enough as evidence, can you provide an audio or video link? Not to bother you, even if he made the statement, i've shared my thoughts on it.

What did you come up with when or if he made a statement?

The very things we are discussing here: love of money and tithes.

What did Goshen come up with when and if pastor Adeboye made this statement? Do i have to come up with something when everybody makes a statement? Why is Goshen asking me to come up with something?

Are you omniscient?

Were you omniscient to think ForteofChrist loved money?

You are being hyperactive.

And what's the big deal about your question?

Don't bother answering seeing you can ask questions but have great difficulty answering people questions.

It is just a question or group of questions, no big deal about it. i have no difficulty answering people's questions. In all honesty, you of all people should know that. Whether you like or agree with my answers is another thing or debate, but one thing a sincere person would not question on this forum is my not shying away from questions. AGAIN, ALL the questions asked have already being answered on this thread and on sister threads. i've done all sorts of rebutting, all sorts of explanations and answers, interviewed by Kunle, interviewed by Goshen, responded line upon line to countless others, and answered tough tough questions by the grace of God.
To show that all your questions have already been answered in the past, you and some others know the answers i would give to the so called questions. The truth remains unchanged. i also know your line of arguments and have no interest in circles. Thank you.

Goshen360: Keep playing games and jumping around. Everyone knows who you are. Keep asking me when Adeboye made such statement and when this, when that. You are known to defend Adeboye with all kinds of twisting and gimmicks.

Can you answer the questions or you have no answers that don't further implicate you? At least, they are not recycled questions like the majority of questions here. Kindly answer, i'm not playing games. You're the one dishing out accusations which seem false.

Goshen360: You know who I'm talking about - Your Daddy G.O When Adeboye made that statement, what did you come up with? He's wrong?

i don't get it. What makes anyone my daddy g.o? What makes my daddy g.o my favorite man of God?
When did Adeboye make a statement? What did you come up with when or if he made a statement? Are you omniscient?

Goshen360: What I'm saying is, speak the truth even when your "favourite" man of God make unhealthy statements. Don't be partial, half truth is as good as speaking lies.

Show how i am partial please. And who is my favorite man of God.

Goshen360: We know who made those statement but Image123 so respect the "anointed man of God" that he can't even tell the truth the man is wrong. Holding the word of truth in hypocrisy

You fellows are very frequent accusers. Beware, accusation is two ways, you MAY BE wrong or right. False witness or false accusation is still a sin in the new testament period.
i don't know what you're talking about BTW.

Candour: OK. I won't contest this.


Apologies for overreacting.

Apologies noted.

Candour: You must know her very personally to conclude as above. She expresses an opinion and you attack her character.

Get down from that high horse pls.

Stop overreacting. i didn't attack the fellow personally, but made a general statement. The love of money has caused many problems. This is a plain scriptural truth that you don't have to twist sentimentally.

BabaGnoni: "accidental" as in unintentionally publishing the post.
The unfinished post got published after a fat finger hit the submit key at the wrong time
- similar to a mopol accidentally discharging a weapon

Hahahaha, one would need a PhD to defend the antitithe arguments sanely. Those ya questions na law.

FortresOfChrist: Tithe has caused many problems in christianity including my family until we discovered the truth and now we are free.

Rather the love of money has caused many problems.

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INTRODUCTION

Tithing and it's biblical background:
- Abram is the first recorded to have tithed in the bible.
- Abram tithed on spoils of war (i.e. Genesis 14:18-20)
- Jacob was second, he promised a one-off tithe if he returns to his father's house in peace (i.e. Genesis 28:20-22)
- Both Abram and Jacob did not tithe any more or after those
- God instituted tithing for the Israelites (i.e. God commanded it and for the Israelites it became a law or ordinance)
- Abram and Jacob's tithes were both not commanded by God and also were done before the law or ordinance.
- Abram and Jacob's tithes were both voluntary tithes unlike the Israelites' tithe commanded by God which was obligatory
- God did not demand tithes from Abram and Jacob, He however did demand tithes from the Israelites

Does God change?
- No, God does not change but He does change things from time to time.
- God changed who were originally going to be the priests
- God's original plan was that the firstborn son of each household will inherit the priest's office (Refer to Exodus 13:2 for details)
That got changed and switched to a hereditary priesthood via Aaron with his offspring (Refer to Exodus 28:1 for details)
and further replaced with the Levites (Refer to Numbers 3:12, 45 for details)
(note all priests were Levites but not all Levites were priests)
- The Levites got the replacement honour based on not partaking in the incident
where the Israelites had that crazy wild night partying and committed idolatry with the Golden Calf
and also for how they ruthlessly dealt with the partied Israelites at Moses' command (i.e. Exodus 32:25-29)
- The Levites apart from been on the Lord's side, probably sided Moses' because Moses himself too was a Levi just like they were (i.e. Exodus 2:1-2,10).

"Today you have ordained yourselves for the service of The Lord,
each one at the cost of his son and of his brother,
that he may bestow a blessing upon you this day."
- Exodus 32:29


What is tithing (i.e. or a tithe)
- Fundamentally, tithing is 1/10th or a tenth of anything or something
- It could be monetary, it is a tenth of anything.
- Tithing and biblical tithing are not synonymous (i.e. they are not necessarily the same)

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i'm loving this, though it'saccidental sha, whatever that means.

lol at fellows trying to mimic me or use words the way they think i would. Follow Jesus please, Kumuyi, Oyakhilome, Hagin etc already have that to worry about. Don't add to the burdens i have to cast upon my Lord.

nora544: Please show me in the bible where jesus speak about tithing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i already did. Read that post again.

@trustman
Your points are recycled and not really needed to ponder on. They add nothing to me. Here is the sure Word of God of value which i'd rather ponder on.

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

God has spoken to us by His Son, and His Son said tithes ought to be done. i'd ponder on that. i hope you or any of the suspects don't reply, as i'm not interested in running in circles. i know you all's next line of argument.

VICTORCIZA: Apc you guys love lies. so you did not see more than 8 of mentioned bus destroyed in abuja motor park bomb blast
i visited Abuja in may the whole road is filled up with the buses and they charged lower price compare to other buses.

And the subsidy removal was only implemented in Abuja, or the FG is the federal government of Abuja while the remaining states are fringes and outskirts. Rubbish.

shdemidemi: Guess the new cliche now is 'that question has been answered, I am too tired to answer it'.

They never get tired of throwing insults and being scornful...guess NL is the place to learn how to freely and loosely use foul and offensive words for some.

demisquare, indeed the questions have being answered. If i asked you a simple and basic "what is your name?", you'd probably tell me your name with a smile and a warm handshake saying good to meet you. And that action of yours would likely be repeated for a lifetime as far as different people ask it. But you surely won't keep answering me if i keep repeatedly asking you for your name. Are you afraid or unsure or finally coming around because you get tired of answering? That's how this issue is for some of us.
If anyone used foul offensive words or insults, kindly quote it and correct, thanks.

Prescription.

Sing when your trials are greatest. Take that bible of yours and read it as if your life depends on it. The Psalms is a good starting point.

Don't you dare give up now.

Bidam: My brother i tire for that guy unlearned questions o..Paul said we should avoid foolish questions abeg..If someone doesn't understand simple terms like biblical principle..then i wonder what he is doing in a religious forum..Even anti tithing theologians have no problem with that phrase, because they know sound hermeneutics and exegesis. When folks are bereft of ideas they throw unlearned questions all over the place. I already talked about the inherent principle behind circumcision quoting Paul and Moses yet this guys are still bent on making blind arguments...this tin dey tire me o......The HEART IS WHAT MATTERS TO GOD It doesnt matter whether na Old or New covenant..the principle still applies..kai.....

Brother, no mind them fa. One tries hard to avoid foolish and unlearned questions whose aim is to promote strife and ego and subversion. You know for a long while, when others were plainly not interested and avoided them, i gave them the benefit of doubt and didn't leave them without a witness, and would still do that to sincere folks and question. But what we see here mainly are not learners or seekers, but fellows hoping to catch you at your words, or whose joy only comes from talking about tithes and accusing people. There's a higher race to run. i'll say it again incase they didn't get it before. It removes nothing from me if all antitithers X7 refuse to give tithes. Let no pestilent fellow trouble me, lol.

Candour: Of course you won't be interested and I surely don't need you to be interested because those questions will always expose your consistent inconsistency. If you feel obliged to defend olaa(as if the man asked for your help), ensure you understand what issues are being discussed. Olaa and I have closed the case. If you feel obliged to throw yourself into the mix, then my questions would be there to welcome you.

See other questions you will not be interested in

If a devotional can discard the commands in Deut 14:22-29 and design a new format for its application today, why should Malachi 3 remain so cast in stone that you use it to hound and frighten Christians into compliance today?

What is so sacrosanct about Malachi 3:8-11 that isn't sacrosanct about Deut 14:22-29?

Who gave pastors the authority to remix or discard Deut 14:22-29 but hold tenaciously to Malachi 3:8-11?

Of course I don't expect you to be interested but a honest seeker of truth would wish to find answers to those questions.

duh, answers have been given to everyone of your questions. I'm not interested in starting a fresh round of circles and ellipses. It's not my fault if that pisses you.

trustman: When a person begins to dodge direct answer to questions one can suspect that he may be unconvinced about the position he claims to hold. 
I want to believe that in all honesty you're going about tithing the way you do it today because you accepted what a 'moG' or your church told you, not because you truly see is as what the Bible clearly instructed. The revelation of the 'moG' which is outside what the Bible prescribed, you believe, must be the new understanding of how to go about tithing. 
How, even with the several decades of church history given to us in the Bible, we see no mention of the church tithing and anyone today will still claim it is compulsory beats the imagination. Are you following the pattern laid down in the Bible by the apostles or 'new revelation' by man that has as its true MOTIVE getting in as much money into the church as possible for the use of the 'men of God' and 'image laundering' for the church.

You have a right to your opinions, this is page 116. God knows i've paid my dues on tithetalks, questions and answers on this forum. There is nothing new under the sun. Next.