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nep2ra: I will tell you how it relates to the thread, O over-zealous and aggressive Christian Crusader.

The OP often quotes passages from the Torah. How does that relate to him? The textbook of Judaism is the Torah and this religion is culture and race specific. Why lay claim to a religion where it's adherents don't even recognize your race? Long and short of everything, the Jewish God is a tribal deity and if you are not a Jew and are quoting passages from the Torah, your argument is dead on arrival.

Seems you need attention ba? Don't you understand that christians are also adherents, or you think adherence is restricted to nationality?
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.
Go and ruminate on these please.

who is daring to call my father a goat and me a cow in the name of analogy? This is terrible and i demand an apology.

goshen and goliath, we go know as them take relate now, lol.

in everything give thanks. JeSoul are you here? there's someone i want you to meet.

he has said it yet again. Oh God, deliver us from evils this time in Jesus name.

ezme: Is this what you understood from the opening post?

yes oh.

bolaino: lol, it does my friend it does, if he came after then u can not say he is the original, the claim of jesus being the original of these deities is baseless,

His claim towers and overshadows every other claim by a very long mile. Answer ihedinobi my brother, no use our sidetalk hide face oh.

bolaino: lol, na really facially known by herod and pilate, do u have any of herod's writings that he acknowledged knowing jesus? The reason we're using the gregorian calender is cos of the catholics church hold on the world at a certain time, and since then there has been no need to change it,

i said UNknown. Please re-read and comprehend. You lie about the calendar, so you see no need to change a 'lie'?

christemmbassey: Wao, amazing, God bless you all. 1st, i have to apologize to all of you for my suden disapearance after pleading for a chance to conclude the Op. The reason is this, some brethren lost their lives as they were returning from a crusade on satday morning, young believers full of dreams for the Lord. Uptill now its very hard for me.

sorry. Accept my condolences.

musKeeto: Well, if you aren't gay, you should consider it.


Someone has to block the 5hit that spews out from that a55 you call a mouth.

you'll think you have posted something oh?

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how will these save anyone? People need forgiveness of sin, power to live above sin, grace to love God and fellow men, eternal life. This is practical spirituality, not falling into trance that offer no help from the guilt of sin and the shameful adamic nature of the flesh.

Unfortunately, folks here think that gain is godliness. Yet, the hypocrites would attack the 'mogS' when they notice material wealth. They know not the Scripture, a man's life doesn't consist of his material possessions. A truly spiritual person doesn't rate blessings that way.
When will zikky, goshen, debo and co correct all these rubbish that gariarnod is saying? Are we not tired of going in circles and copying and pasting assumption as fact?

alexleo: My dear you are very correct. Its like we have here a gang of people who are feeling that they read the bible perfectly well and have perfect understanding of it and can interpret it perfectly. They dont want you to believe your pastor yet they are forcing you to believe them. They accuse you of falling mugu to your pastors teaching and on the other hand force you to believe them( as per say them be Holy Spirit that guides you into all truth) See human beings o?? This is why i keep advising that whatever anybody reads here, pls pray God for proper guidance o. Dont be carried away by anybody's bible quoting mechanism because Satan also quoted bible when he tempted Jesus. MAY GOD HELP US ALL(including me) NOT TO DECEIVE PEOPLE TO HELL WITH OUR TEACHINGS. Amen. I dont want to miss heaven because of giving a false teaching or for any reason whatsoever.

word.

Alwaystrue: @Image123,
I have been wanting to undertand your views on the law and the prophets which many struggle to understand.
Remember when Jesus said to His disciples, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, his disciples did not understand as they saw that literarily instead of the spirit behind the word of Jesus. Indeed the letter killeth.

From your discussion above, could you expantiate further on this seeing that the law is holy and is not sin.

If you read the continuation of Goshen scripture post above, this is exactly what Christ meant when He said the Spirit giveth life:

II Corinthians 3:14-18
14 But the people’s minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.
15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.


Personally I think this explains a lot of why the children of Israel could not obey the law as they followed the letter, instead of the intent and spirit behind why God instituted the law. What is your take?

I'd respond to this in due time, sorry i'm on phone.

musKeeto: Hmmmmmm..


You're sure you aren't gay?

you're sure you're not going to hell fire when you die?

bolaino: of course not, but in the case of the birth of these deities do u have any proof that the story of jesus came first before theirs?

that's the very point. It doesn't matter if Jesus came before or after. What matters is that He is the original.

ezme: Your argument of counterfeit notes would not fly in this context. Legal tenders are tangible objects with security features. I don't need faith to discern a real note from a fake one.Use things like gravitational force which cannot be seen,but this also would not fly as every person alive can independently confirm the existence of gravity. The fact that your religion depends on faith to thrive without any physical evidence is the reason why you can never prove the existence of Jesus to a rational mind who seeks physical evidence before drawing conclusions.

you're arguing from the wrong base. The op based his conclusions on Christ being false because there are many christs. i simply showed the fallacy behind such dull thought.

Alwaystrue: @Image,
Pls I have a question for you at the Abraham father of Christians thread. Thx

yes ma'am.

bolaino: I believe you've read lots of novels, in Shakespeare's books he makes references to places like london, venice, france and caLls names of popular rulers at that time, but does this makes the stories of Shakespeare true? No, cos it's fiction.

Apart from josephus, all contemporary writers at that time are quiet on the historical jesus, even philo a popular roman writer who wrote poems and books at the supposed time jesus entered jerusalem was quiet about jesus, the reason is obvious, cos there was no jesus in his time, and by the way jesus was a popular name at that time, yeshua/joshoua was and is still a popular hebrew name.

Were the isrealites in egypt? No, was solomon the wisest king at a time in the history of the world? There is no evidence to surport that claim, the bible makes a lot of claims that can not be verified, and thus it makes the bible nothing more than a Glorified story book.

That your today's date says 2013 after death is enough evidence, go figure. So if an historian in Rome doesn't mention a name of a man popular in Galilee(facially unknown by Herod, Pilate and the Sanhedrin), then the man never existed qed?

bolaino: well that's one of the problems with biblical prophecies, the prophecies in the bible are so vague that anything could be linked with anything to arrive at a conclusion,

the prophecies of Isiah were referring to a man, not a son of God, the prophesy was referring to someone who would literally rule the jews as their king and bring terror on the enemies of isreal.

And since the credibility of the bible is at stake, these prophecies will not be given much tought to, cos there's no proof that these claims were authentic, the bible is good story book, and it should remain as such.

Kindly link some other person to it then instead of throwing words in the air. Jesus was and is the only relevant and accurate link and is spot on specific from birth to death.
i asked about counterfeit notes but you fellows dodged. I'll ask yet another. If a song or a film is pirated, stolen and sold before release. Are the pirated copies original simply because they were in the black market before the real/original?

old age.

musKeeto: lol. What might these things be?

things like the love of many shall wax cold, like you. Or evil men and seducers will wax worse deceiving and being deceived, still you.

one would expect that folks like zikky, debo, gosh and co would correct gariarnod and explain their way to him more perfectly like Aquila Priscilla Apollos style, but no they'd agree with, like and fully endorse it as far as the summary is antitithe. And the cycle starts yet again.

Goshen360: THIS IS THE GOSPEL TRUTH

Fortunately, say no to tithe is not the gospel truth but rather another gospel.

There should be an emoticon for shaking the head in deep pity.

BTW, on Gosh's long division of Hebrew 7, all he ended up saying is that the priesthood is no longer required to be of Levi origin. That's why Jesus can be High Priest from the tribe of Judah. That's why gentiles can claim priesthood under the new covenant.

frosbel: Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets of which the tithes was part , and you erroneously suggest that ONLY the TITHE was not fulfilled.

Boy, you have derailed badly.

May God help you, I do honestly hope this is not the LIE you teach to whoever sits under your teaching.

you love making suggestions on my behalf

Zikkyy: Any form of giving can easily be sustained if only you can make true Christians of the congregation. Sustainability should not override the commandment for Love driven giving.

Tithing is a form of giving, remember? Not all forms of giving are sustainable, that's why the practice of having all things in common didn't last. Do you practice this new testament form of giving, abi na so so mouth you get?

Thread title ought to be "Spurious claims of a fellow smiling to himself as he is typing".
And according to your reasoning, counterfeit 1000notes means the original 1000naira note is counterfeit. Jesus is the original legal tender anywhere anyday 2013 years and counting. He's alive.

frosbel: what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

are you trying to ask a question?

frosbel: one simple question, why was tithing not once preached or practiced by the early church, I have read the acts of the apostles, the letters by the apostles and the brothers of Jesus , and cannot find ONE reference to tithing.

Do you think they missed something, or there is something we know today that they did not know then?

if you cannot find ONE reference to tithing, why do you state without a shadow of doubt that tithing is wrong?

debosky: I am yet to see one passage, one witness speak against animal sacrifices in all of Scripture both old and new. Is that valid reason to teach tithing as a mandatory practice for Christians? After all animal sacrifices are also from before the law.

What about the 5 offerings mentioned in Leviticus? Where are they 'spoken against' in scripture?

i was answering him directly from his questions, showing that that's not enough reason. What 5offerings are you referring to?
on animal sacrifice, see Isaiah 1:11,12,13 Psalm 51:16,17 and Hebrews10:6-10
The whole of Hebrews is trying to tell us there is no more need for animal sacrifices BECAUSE Jesus has come as a Better substitute, the Lamb of God. There is yet no better substitute for the tithe practice.